Why are #NeverTrumpers against Trump? Where did the tape come from?
There are a lot of dumb conspiracy theories out there.
Why are #NeverTrumpers against Trump? The simple answer is because they fear being called racist or misogynist or Islamophobic or any of those other words that the politically correct mainstream media use to control spineless Republicans and conservatives.
Where did the tape come from? If it came from the Bushes, they got their cousin fired because of it, and if the Bushes had the tape, why didn’t they use it during the primaries so that Jeb could knock Trump out and win the nomination? No, the simple answer is that it came from the Hillary campaign, or SJW types who want to stop Trump.
Lion of the Blogosphere 
It came from Ryan’s guy, Dan Senor. Read Cernovich. The NeverTrumpers are part of the rigged Uniparty system. They hate Trump because he’ll act in the interests of the American people and not the donor class.
JimBonobo
October 11, 2016 at 3:07 PM
Lol, they hate Trump because he’ll act in the interests of the American people and not the donor class? That it is a stunning level of stupidity on display right there. I almost hope Trump wins so you can see how brutally wrong you are. Trump is not on your side, he’s as much on your side as he is on the NeverTrumpers. He only cares about himself, and will lie, cheat or bully to get it. As soon as he’s won the election, you morons would have outlived your usefulness to him. Good luck getting him to make good on 1/10th the promises he’s making.
Gail
October 11, 2016 at 3:37 PM
Ladies don’t call people “morons”, Gail.
Garr
October 11, 2016 at 4:33 PM
You might be right. Donald Trump might just screw us all over. But I’ll take a 50% chance of being screwed versus a 100% chance of being screwed that any of the other candidates would have provided.
everybodyhatesscott
October 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM
Garr, the only ladies left are among the Aimish and Orthodox Jews. You can assume that any woman today isn’t what was meant traditional by a lady. I’m talking generally.
Yakov
October 11, 2016 at 6:11 PM
#NeverTrumpers are against Trump because Trumpism/nationalism/populism potentially represent a mortal threat to the GOPe and their policies of open borders, globalism, and knee-jerk interventionism.
Lewis Medlock
October 11, 2016 at 3:10 PM
Don’t underestimate how AFRAID the GOPe is of being called racist.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM
I don’t think the GOP is afraid of being called racist, I think the GOP elite genuinely opposes any type of white ethnic solidarity because they see ethnic nationalism as a danger to the global economic system they want to push down our throats.
Peter Akuleyev
October 12, 2016 at 5:45 AM
yes, this is correct. if trump kept his style, but adopted post-regean gope policies, the cucks would defend him
name can't be blank (@DSGNTD_PLYR)
October 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM
He adopted post-Eisenhower grope policies.
Anthony
October 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM
mike cernovich is saying a source told him it came from former romney-ryan advisor dan senor. he’s married to journalist campbell brown, who when she was asked about the rumor on twitter responded, and didn’t deny it was true.
name can't be blank (@DSGNTD_PLYR)
October 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM
Billy Bush lost his job at NBC and is literally crying about it. The Bush clan might relish revenge, but I doubt they’d be that cruel to one of their own.
I can believe that Hillary’s team would leak it, but as I’ve said here before, talking about sex this election is MAD for the Clintons. You could tell that Bill was freaking out about his accusers coming to the debate. Hillary took advantage of the leak on Twitter, but it would have looked even more suspicious if she had kept quiet, and she didn’t drill down on the tape at the debate. She more or less said, “This tape just shows that Trump isn’t fit for office, just as the Judge Curiel, Khan family, making fun of the disabled journalist did!”
I think that the tape leak was either something NBC did on its own, because corporations loathe Trump quite generally, or it was a brought about by a NeverTrump conspiracy. The way so many NevrrTrumpers and GOPe figures who had lukewarmly “endorsed” him decided to denounce him simultaneously and uniformly all at once was stunning.
I can’t help but imagine how horrifying what happened to Billy Bush must be to people working in the entertainment industry in LA. Virtually every star and powerful person in Hollywood is a serial rapist by SJW standards.
Sid
October 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM
what if billy bush was “””””suspended?”””””
name can't be blank (@DSGNTD_PLYR)
October 11, 2016 at 7:40 PM
If the Bush clan really wanted to shiv Trump, why not have done last autumn? That way Jeb would have hard a much better chance of winning.
NBC might bring back Billy Bush, but right now his situation sounds absolutely dire, and it would be hard for NBC to walk back from the vicious treatment he’s getting.
And yes, while I don’t know Bill Bush well, I do feel sorry for him. His private words may have been icky, but I’m sure almost everyone who works in Hollywood speaks and acts like that in private. It’s pretty damn cold that his career is being annihilated as part of an effort to derail Trump.
I guess the ends justify the means for those who leaked the tape, but it’s still snakeblooded.
Sid
October 11, 2016 at 11:06 PM
You look at what happened to California. In 1994 Pete Wilson, the Republican Governor, was in a close race for reelection with Kathleen Brown (younger sister of current governor Jerry Brown). He used the anti-illegal immigration proposition 187 to motivate the base and win reelection.
Prop 187 was ruled largely unconstitutional but the lasting effect is that the Mexican and Hispanic in California are a reliable Democratic voting block. The only “Republican” that has been able to win state wide office is Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is generally considered a RINO. Schwarzenegger had strong Hispanic support.
California was the state that elected Ronald Reagan governor and Richard Nixon to the US Senate. Currently all state wide offices are held by Democrats. California has a top two primary system where candidates from all parties run in a single primary and the top two appear on the November ballot. For the open US Senate seat to replace Barbra Boxer there are two Democrats on the ballot. The Republican party was not able to find a candidate with enough name recognition to come in second in the primary.
The #nevertrump are afraid that over the next 20 years the Trump campaign will do to the national Republican party what prop 187 did to the California Republican party.
Mike CA
October 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM
California had already turned Blue two years before Prop 187. Immigration is what killed California, and NeverTrumps want to make all America look like Cali.
PerezHBD
October 11, 2016 at 4:34 PM
Hasn’t that Pete Wilson theory been completely discredited? Which is not to say that Nevertrumpers can’t be motivated by a belief that is true.
Magnavox
October 11, 2016 at 4:35 PM
So why are Mexispanics a reliable Democratic voting block freaking everywhere then? (Cuz kids need handouts or they’ll starve, that’s why.) And I’ll bet the vast majority of California Mexispanics haven’t even heard of Prop 187.
Garr
October 11, 2016 at 4:39 PM
Weren’t Mexican Americans and Hispanics already a dependable Democrat constituency before Prop. 187? Main difference between then and now is the numbers. If California had the same demographic profile that it did in 1980 or even in 1990 it would still be a toss up state.
Sgt. Joe Friday
October 11, 2016 at 4:51 PM
If the demographics were the same as in the 1980s, then California would probably be a toss up state. In 1994 it was already clear that California was going to be a minority majority state in not that many years. After Prop 187 a lot more Hispanics became US citizens and registered to vote.
The #NeverTrump people are worried about states like Texas and Arizona. The demographic trends in those states indicate they may be more competitive in the next 10 years or so, if Hispanics are voting 80% democratic.
mikeca
October 11, 2016 at 6:02 PM
“The #NeverTrump people are worried about states like Texas and Arizona. The demographic trends in those states indicate they may be more competitive…”
Oh, please, you’re too funny. Have you learned NOTHING from this election or the eight years before that? Actually, if you’re a Cali cuck republican, it’s not even funny, just infuriating and disgusting. Don’t try to talk the rest of the country into sitting on the stool next to yours.
Glengarry
October 12, 2016 at 7:36 AM
Do you think there will be more such tapes coming out in the coming weeks before the election?
Tom
October 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM
Trump isn’t really going to save America. There is only hope if there is secession of states and/or eruption.
It needs to get ugly before it gets any better.
Republicans have read a line from the Democrats…it’s better to play dirty with outright hypocrisy.
Lion, are you still a proponent of the Gervais Principle? Peter Principle? I don’t remember which one that calls for dysfunctional office politics – a recipe for success!
JS
October 11, 2016 at 3:40 PM
The Gervais Principle.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM
And they don’t wish to be identified with a candidate who has antagonized foreign allies, understands next to nothing about foreign affairs, has threatened to lock up his political enemies, has boasted (even idly) about sexually assaulting women, has needlessly offended minority voters (the rest of the party is trying to broaden the base), and so on and so forth. Consider this:
Trump’s chief advisors are a motley threesome of political walking-dead who brought their own careers to untimely ends through marital infidelity, power grasping and a disastrous presidential bid (Gingrich); marital infidelity and two ill-conceived runs for president (Giuliani) and scandal (Christy). The reason these vacancies to join Team Trump were available is because no one with any sense would touch his candidacy with a 10 foot pole. Hoping against hope and dreaming of cabinet positions in a Trump Presidency, they grasped at the straw Trump offered in order to resuscitate their own political careers. Understandable. But why, do you suppose, advisors with cleaner histories and better credentials couldn’t be lured aboard “Make America Great, LLC” in the first place? If you care to dig into a very well written explanation, see https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-vile-candidacy-is-chemotherapy-for-the-gop/2016/10/10/73e40f30-8f05-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.0fc6a80fa410.
Kind regards,
Jack Donachy
Jack & Barbra Donachy
October 11, 2016 at 3:47 PM
Hillary Clinton is an expert at foreign affairs, but she uses her expertise to sabotage our interests.
Rogal Dorn
October 11, 2016 at 6:09 PM
If your saying that she purposely sabotages America’s interests I disagree. If you’re saying that her vote for the war in Iraq was an example of terrible decision-making, I do agree. Clinton has gotten a number of things right and a few things wrong, which is in keeping with the track records of other Secretaries of State. You are aware that no former Secretary of State and a long, bi-partisan list of high-ranking people who have held positions at State, in the CIA and in other posts related to foreign diplomacy have come out against Trump – a man who demonstrates every time he opens his mouth that he knows next to nothing about these matters.
Jack & Barbra Donachy
October 12, 2016 at 11:37 AM
“You are aware that no former Secretary of State and a long, bi-partisan list of high-ranking people who have held positions at State, in the CIA and in other posts related to foreign diplomacy have come out against Trump – a man who demonstrates every time he opens his mouth that he knows next to nothing about these matters.”
It’s amazing how you people think that “foreign affairs” is some kind of technical field like bridge-building that requires a distinct body of knowledge to pull off successfully. You must really believe that repeating “diplomacy” is some kind of skill. The reality is that Secretaries of State are chosen in popularity contests among networked people. Remember, John Kerry was a Secretary of State. You must have some real fetish for government if you think any of these clowns are qualified.
Let’s understand what “diplomacy” really is. Diplomacy is a discussion about power. It is not that power. The only reason why leftists think “diplomacy” matters is because they forget the US aircraft carrier parked in the harbor. Without American military might, most Secretaries of States “demands” would be met by separating their heads from their shoulders. Look how effective Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi without military power backing them. Why didn’t he use his “diplomacy?”
I could not care less what these inbred, unqualified, trust-funders from connected families think about Trump. They are simply worried that he will cut them off from the government teat. That’s all.
The result of their meddling is that they have made the world are far, far more dangerous place now than at any point in the last 20 years. With their immigration policies, then plan on bringing those problems right to your doorstep.
map
October 12, 2016 at 3:38 PM
Yeah, thanks trolls. Vote for Hillary. She will remake the Supreme Court, flood the country with illegals and foreigners at your expense, get rid of the first and second amendment and make sure you never control the executive branch again. After she is done, your Washington Generals routine will no longer be necessary and they can dispense with you completely.
Go ahead and pretend that Saudi Arabia is an ally; that Libya and Benghazi show knowledge of foreign affairs; that felons should run for president; that liking sex is icky; that minorities are natural Republicans and that Democrats are the real racists.
Go ahead and pretend that this 1929 Evangelical Bishop’s Conference routine over “marital fidelity” even matters when Hillary pulls the nonprofit status of your church. drafts your son to fight Russia in an unwinnable war and offers the only job your daughter is ever going to have: rug-munching the parade of bull-dykes Hillary is itching to have run the government.
Go ahead and keep dreaming that a Jeb Bush pitching open borders, off-shore outsourcing, mass immigration and carry-interest tax cuts for hedge funds and private equity ever had a snowball’s chance in hell of beating Hillary… because he was “respectable.”
Maybe you’re too stupid to understand this right now, but it will eventually dawn on you exactly what you have lost: the Republican base will no longer listen to or even need you. They will check out. And with them checked out…guess what? The Democrats won’t need you either. You’ve outlived your useful. You will finally see what your “allies” are really like.
The Devil will then come to collect his soul.
Idiots.
map
October 11, 2016 at 6:44 PM
And they don’t wish to be identified with a candidate who has antagonized foreign allies, understands next to nothing about foreign affairs, has threatened to lock up his political enemies, has boasted (even idly) about sexually assaulting women, has needlessly offended minority voters (the rest of the party is trying to broaden the base), and so on and so forth.
Well they haven’t endorsed Bill Clinton yet, true.
The Undiscovered Jew
October 11, 2016 at 7:31 PM
Puzzling conclusion you’ve drawn. Even if the statements applied to Bill Clinton (and many of them do not) he isn’t running. The Alt Right continues to hurt the Conservative cause with their unreasoned obsession with him. See: https://injacksclass.com/2016/10/10/blind-drunk-trumps-political-midas-touch-for-destroying-what-he-touches/
Jack & Barbra Donachy
October 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM
It’s not unreasoned. The media is trying to portray Trump as anti-woman because he said some uncouth things on a tape. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton is accused of actual rape by at least three women and Hillary Clinton attacked Bill’s accusers.
Which is worse?
map
October 12, 2016 at 4:01 PM
Even if the statements applied to Bill Clinton (and many of them do not) he isn’t running.
It is applicable to her because she helped him smear the victims of his sexual harassment.
I thought liberals were supposed to support women who spoke out against male abusers, unless the male abuser and his accomplices are Democrat politicians. You’re not making an exception, are you?
The Alt Right continues to hurt the Conservative cause with their unreasoned obsession with him.
Only a very small percentage of his supporters consider themselves Alt Right.
The Undiscovered Jew
October 12, 2016 at 8:52 PM
I thought it didn’t matter where it came from, only what’s on it.
Weren’t you singing a different tune about the DNC email leak in the summer?
Dain
October 11, 2016 at 3:52 PM
This notion that they want to kiss-up to the liberal elite and avoid being called “racist” is getting increasingly ridiculous. They opposed Trump because they didn’t believe he 1) was a real conservative; 2) could win in a general election.
As for the tape, didn’t someone in the comments say it came after producers decided to review old material for the show? Whoever leaked it was probably in the bag for Clinton, but that doesn’t mean it came from the Clinton camp.
Vince
October 11, 2016 at 4:06 PM
“They opposed Trump because they didn’t believe he 1) was a real conservative; 2) could win in a general election.”
If they cared about winning the general election, they wouldn’t have opposed him after he won the nomination.
Same answer for the “real conservative” thing. Half a conservative or a moderate is better than Hillary appointing extreme liberals to the Supreme Court.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 11, 2016 at 4:29 PM
The question is why NeverTrumpers oppose Trump, but your “simple explanation” is not so simple. Most Republicans probably feel they will be accused of racism regardless of what they believe (so long as they’re Republicans).
“If they cared about winning the general election, they wouldn’t have opposed him after he won the nomination.”
A couple of points. You’re assuming a kind of rational cost-benefit calculation that people are probably not generally inclined toward. Instead I think it’s safer to say people tend to be more stubborn and tribal. Now why are they locked into NeverTrumped?
Well, people can also behave in rationally irrational ways. By giving an ultimatum — essentially playing chicken — you can force the other side to do the responsible thing and make a concession. In this instance, Republicans still went with Trump, but it doesn’t follow that NeverTrumpers should cave; that would mean they lose face and will never be taken seriously again.
The absolute worst thing that can happen to Clinton is if Trump gets replaced on the ballot because he ain’t gonna win (barring some kind of game-changing, one-off event). The NeverTrumpers were hoping the pussy-grab tape would mean the GOP candidate’s downfall, but it didn’t play out that way. Now they’re probably hoping he dies of a heart-attack.
Vince
October 11, 2016 at 9:59 PM
” Most Republicans probably feel they will be accused of racism regardless of what they believe (so long as they’re Republicans).”
The believe that if they try hard enough, the MSM will see them as LESS racist because they are pro-life.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 11, 2016 at 10:39 PM
Billy Bush was apparently running his mouth about the Trump talking about babes in an old segment while he was coverithe th Olympics in Rio (never imagining in a million years it would cost him his job). Billy wasn’t in on the leak, he was just a pretty boy trust funder telling tales to impress all his liberal friends who inadvertently got the ball rolling. Senor’s wife got wind of it and dug up the actual material.
PerezHBD
October 11, 2016 at 5:11 PM
“Senor’s wife got wind of it and dug up the actual material.”
That’s sounds right. Billy Bush is too stupid to leak this. I wonder how Mrs. Senor “got wind of it” though.
I’ve heard that Trump unloaded on Ryan on O’Reilly but I don’t have cable so can’t provide details. This might explain the leak.
Trump is essentially running as an independent now.
gothamette
October 11, 2016 at 9:09 PM
No, the simple answer is that it came from the Hillary campaign, or SJW types who want to stop Trump.
And where did the Clinton campaign get it from? Is there any reason whatsoever to doubt the official story that access Hollywood discovered it in their archives while doing a story on Trump and then a staffer there leaked it early?
Magnavox
October 11, 2016 at 4:23 PM
Billy Bush bragged about tapes where “trump was being a dog” to his co hosts. THey reported and staffers got involved. Nbc sat on it for 5 days to get legal team clearance. By then someine leaked to post.
Wt
October 11, 2016 at 5:10 PM
The timing of the tape was about the best Trump could hope for.
If Ryan and the rest of the GOP’s
Vagina Monologue posse kept their lips sealed
It would have not had such impact.
Anyway Trump can still win.
More people have to lie to pollsters after such a comment.
KnoMad
October 11, 2016 at 5:44 PM
The NeverTrumpers here are so ridiculous. Trump is not a “real’ conservative, but Romney, who basically created Obamacare in MA and McCain who yelled at a supporter for mentioning Obama’s middle name were “real” conservatives. GImme a break. Trump is for secure borders, law and order. lower taxes and regulations, supports veterans, hates political correctness, wants to restore honest government, wants to repeal Obamacare, and to appoint judges like Justice Scalia and he’s also pro life and pro second amendment. But that’s not a “real” conservative. NeverTrumpers are such dishonest clowns and losers. it’s pathetic. You all should apply for jobs at CNN, you’ll fit right in.
JimBonobo
October 11, 2016 at 6:11 PM
“Real conservatives” are not “racist.”
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 11, 2016 at 8:14 PM
“Dan Senor @dansenor · 49m49 minutes ago
Conflicting reports about Trump tape. The leak was either a Jewish-globalist-media plot led by me or…something not insane. It’s the latter”
This is Dan Senor’s snarky attempt at obfuscation — notice that despite the snark it is not a denial.
maj
October 11, 2016 at 6:18 PM
Mainstream conservatives don’t just fear being called racist or misogynist or Islamophobic, they fear actually being racist or misogynist or Islamophobic. They agree with liberals that being discriminatory or bigoted is the most evil thing ever and that saying non-PC things about nonwhites, women, or Muslims makes one a bigot. They agree with liberals that Trump is racist, misogynist, and Islamophobic.
Hermes
October 11, 2016 at 6:27 PM
Look I’m tired of all this phobias crap. There is no such thing as Xenophobia, it doesn’t exist. Keeping away from people who are different is necessary for survival in most of human history. Islamophobia is also complete bullshit. If Muslims are so fucking harmless than why are we fighting them? Sure not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists in the “War on Terror” happen to be Muslim. Profiling is essential to all law enforcement. When Sherlock Holmes takes a case he doesn’t try to spy on everyone in London. He forms a profile of the likely suspects and then investigates them. Having TSA stripsearch old White Christian women at the airport is just jackboot kabuki theater. No one who is sane believes a little old White Christian Grandmother is going to hijack a plane.
Joshua Sinistar
October 11, 2016 at 8:39 PM
Whatever. If you live a SWPL lifestyle, you’re a racist by default. No one cares if you feel not racist because that’s what you’ve been telling yourself for forever. Actually, you’re still a racist. If “real” conservatives were smart they’d just do what shitlibs and jews have been doing forever. Flood the lexicon with the word racist and bomb every teachable moment by reminding everyone that SWPLs are racists.
Big Humpa
October 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM
Old Man Bush is the guy who did it. Billy Bush is George W’s cousin and he dropped the videobomb himself. They’re making a Big Fucking Deal of how he lost his job, but who are they kidding? Billy boy is probably getting a paid vacation for doing the deed, until the election is over. Old Man Bush is CIA, and only CIA would be dumb enough to use a member of the Bush Family to do this. This collusion between the Bushes and Clintons is destroying the whole system. The collusion is so obvious its glaring.
The Uniparty with two wings has killed the left-right fake fighting. Its obvious now that its faker than the WWE Pro Wrestling. They’re all in it together. Its all one big country club of rich insiders working for the Rich and you’re not in it. Trump is one of them, but he’s left the reservation. He can see the writing on the wall, that globalism is leading to bankruptcy and disaster. All these fools are just playing the false song of globalism and the top 40 broken records of multiculturalism and diversity as their Titanic scheme sinks slowly into the sea of empty promises and unforeseen problems. These Clinton and Bush losers will stay the course right down to Davy Jone’s Locker.
Joshua Sinistar
October 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM
“Why are #NeverTrumpers against Trump? The simple answer is because they fear being called racist or misogynist or Islamophobic or any of those other words….”
I know you might not have the same morality, but how can you not at least *suspect* that other people might have a morality to which Trump is a non-starter. Nothing to do with with being called mean names. I reject this binary view. Someone must earn my vote, my endorsement. Not simply be less venal and corrupt than the other option. Trump has earned nothing, not even a rooting interest.
Everyone must compromise their morals for your orange god. Why? Do you really think next summer anyone is going to be talking about him? He will be back to being a Page 6 curiosity and possibly running some internet channel with Sean Hannity.
Lion of the Turambar
October 11, 2016 at 7:38 PM
The existential threat trumps the moral issues.
map
October 11, 2016 at 11:19 PM
Lion claimed he couldnt see any other reason why people would be anti-Trump except for name calling.
Besides, the existential threat is being caused by white millennials.
Lion of the Turambar
October 12, 2016 at 7:25 AM
So you don’t see any downside to getting Hillary elected? And even with Trump’s moral failigs, Hillary Clinton’s are even greater anyway.
map
October 12, 2016 at 3:45 PM
“Why are #NeverTrumpers against Trump? The simple answer is because they fear being called racist ”
Thats the quote.
Lion of the Turambar
October 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM
No, the GOPe were behind it. The feeble attempt to depose Trump was too coordinated, and c’mon … the cousin of ¡Jeb! involved in the tape. What a coincidence. After taking one for the team, cousin Billy can always get a job on the board of the family trust or something. I’m sure the media will forgive him quite easily after the election.
Glengarry
October 12, 2016 at 7:47 AM