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Derek Black in the Washington Post

The Washington Post has a story about Derek Black, the son of white nationalist Don Black, the founder of Stormfront.

The short summary is that he was raised to be a white nationalist leader, but when he went to a liberal college, he became converted into being, as far as I can tell, a True Believer in the liberal viewpoint on race and immigration.

This story demonstrates that, for most people, what you believe in is not based on logic (not saying that hating Jews is logical, but that there are racial differences in intelligence is scientific truth), but is based on social connections. When Derek was adopted into a group of people who all shared liberal views, he had a genuine conversion and became a believer in the liberal viewpoint.

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Certain people are immune to this type of persuasion. I believe that Donald Trump is one of them. That’s why the liberals are so afraid of him.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 16, 2016 at 9:16 am

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  1. Academia needs to be purged every decade or so. I don’t understand why this is never recognized or made a political issue, Failure to do so always results in idealistic kids and freak professors taking over campuses, and spreading their rot down to society

    Not saying they should be churning out white supremacists, but the institution needs to be at least neutral or civic patriotic. Turkey just purged their colleges, and Japan recently defunded left-friendly fields. Trump should put it on his list.

    Jason Liu

    October 16, 2016 at 9:31 am

    • Academia needs to be purged every decade or so.

      So does big media; so does big business; so does the judiciary; etc.

      Mao was right.

      bomag

      October 16, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      • Mao? How about Thomas Jefferson?
        “what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.”

        JimBonobo

        October 16, 2016 at 3:21 pm

      • Agreed, when bad people seize control of the country, good people should rise and kill them. The time is ripe in the US, Europe and Russia. Trotsky has this idea of a perpetual revolution. Makes sense to me. All these bad genes need to go.

        JS, need to be reducated in the Gulag, we don’t have to vaporize him at this point.

        Yakov

        October 16, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    • This is the point I have been making- kicking out all the Mexican landscapers and Indian MapReduce programmers does nothing.

      The problem is white and black kids radicalized by higher education that is compulsory. THAT is the real issue.

      Lion of the Turambar

      October 16, 2016 at 1:57 pm

      • More than 2/3 of immigrants vote Democrat. The radicals couldn’t do what they do without them. If you want to stop the radicals you have to stop immigration first.

        destructure

        October 16, 2016 at 4:54 pm

      • Thats incorrect.

        If you look at first generation immigrants views on issues 2/3rd of the Democrats platform would be non-starters. Couldnt even have someone advocate them.

        Its the fact that the pale and frail access pushes these society destroying issues that they are even on the table.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 17, 2016 at 7:41 am

      • Turambar —

        “Thats incorrect.”

        It’s NOT incorrect. It’s a fact. 2/3 of immigrants vote Democrat. Why are you denying something that can be easily looked up? Are you stupid, lying or just lazy?

        “If you look at first generation immigrants views on issues 2/3rd of the Democrats platform would be non-starters. Couldnt even have someone advocate them.”

        I don’t need to look at their views. I’m looking at how they actually vote. 2/3 of immigrants vote Democrat. If the US had the same demographics as 1980 then Romney would have beaten Obama by as large of a landslide as Reagan beat Carter. Immigration is the ONLY reason radicals are able to do what they’re doing.

        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/romney-wins-white-vote-by-same-margin-as-reagan-did-in-1980-landslide/article/2512819

        http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/15/study-yes-more-immigration-means-more-democratic-votes/

        destructure

        October 17, 2016 at 10:54 am

      • Once again you are wrong.

        Lets take a clear example with voting each way- the 2008 California election.
        Obama won California by 24 points. “Progressive” favorite wedge issue of Prop 8 gay marriage was undone by 6 points.

        Blacks, Latinos and Asian all opposed Gay Marriage by more than the white cohort.
        http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=CAI01p1

        CLEARLY the minority population was more socially conservative than the white lib population.

        ” If the US had the same demographics as 1980 then Romney…”

        a. counter factual
        b. you manage somehow to ignore the entire point. The white population from 1980 doesnt exist any more. They have been brain washed and are going to get more brain washed going forward. Build your wall and moat off Canada and you are still doomed unless you align with an actual conservative base.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 17, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      • Lion of the Turambar

        It does not matter how trivially conservative minorities are. What they have in common is mercenary parasitism: they want fully-funded government programs and transfer payments for themselves, whether it is outright welfare or minority disadvantaged business loans.

        They can all oppose gay marriage in their own countries.

        map

        October 18, 2016 at 12:39 am

      • You are a worthless TruCon piece of garbage. Thank God we have exterminated your disgusting movement forever.

        I can’t believe that in 2016 we have somebody still trying to spin the whole “immigrants are natural conservatives” line. Even liberals don’t try that anymore.

        You are subhuman dreck.

        Otis the Sweaty

        October 18, 2016 at 8:02 am

      • “It does not matter how trivially conservative minorities are.”

        translation: “oh ok, you are right”

        ” What they have in common is mercenary parasitism: they want fully-funded government programs and transfer payments for themselves”

        Unlike the white millennials rioting for the taxpayer to give them free tuition.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 18, 2016 at 8:58 am

      • “CLEARLY the minority population was more socially conservative than the white lib population.”

        You cherry-picked a single issue in the most leftwing Democrat dominated state in the country. And why is California the most leftwing Democrat dominated state in the country? Immigration. The rest of the country isn’t like that. But it will be if we don’t stop immigration. That was the point of the second article I linked.

        “you manage somehow to ignore the entire point. The white population from 1980 doesnt exist any more. “

        No. YOU managed to ignore the entire point. The white population of 2012 voted EXACTLY like the white population from 1980. What’s changed is demographics. That’s the point of the first article I linked.

        Since you seem hung up on social issues. I’m talking about saving the country and you’re crying about queers. You’ve got your priorities backwards.

        destructure

        October 18, 2016 at 8:41 pm

      • Minorities are conservative with a small “c,” but that doesn’t mean they are going to vote Republican.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 18, 2016 at 10:38 pm

      • Destructure is right. Immigration is the key to leftist power. They will give up everything…as long as you give them immigration…because, with immigration, they will get it all back.

        map

        October 18, 2016 at 11:16 pm

      • ‘Unlike the white millennials rioting for the taxpayer to give them free tuition.’

        That’s because tuition has become truly unaffordable.

        Yakov

        October 19, 2016 at 10:19 am

  2. Donald Trump wants to help blacks. Don Black & family does not. Your HBD followers do not…

    JS

    October 16, 2016 at 9:32 am

    • Just because someone recognizes HBD doesn’t mean they wish for bad things to happen to people from different racial groups. It’s good that Donald Trump wants to help blacks, and tackling lawlessness and impunity is a great place to start.

      XVO

      October 16, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    • …wants to help blacks… does not.

      People for the most part are generous, but helping someone shouldn’t mean taking ten dollars from one group to gain five dollars worth of benefit in another.

      And criticizing current arrangements doesn’t mean you are a full on radical.

      bomag

      October 16, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    • I think it’s a stretch to say Lion’s readers and othe HBD aware people don’t want to help blacks. Really, it’s a question of how blacks should be helped. Cash handouts, section 8 housing, and affirmative action sinecures are examples of the wrong type of help. Protecting black earning power by limiting immigration is fine. Promoting formation of stable black families is fine. At any rate, I think we’ve seen the traditional “help” (lowered standards) hasn’t worked.

      Matt Stevens

      October 16, 2016 at 1:08 pm

      • The best way to help blacks would be to get them back to their homeland in Africa, far away from the racist US as quickly as possible. There they can be free from this oppressive society.

        Vincent

        October 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    • The question is: how do you help blacks? They seem partial to welfare payouts. . .and liberals seem partial to miscegenation. Not for themselves of course, but for the the BAD WHITES.

      Black Americans were a (somewhat) healthier community in the bad old days of segregation where they weren’t completely ruled by single moms and rappers.

      fakeemail

      October 16, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      • Most blacks in NYC want more affordable housing and they also hate gentrification. Your idea of segregation is a good idea and it’s the only way to resolve the disparate lifestyles between Whites and blacks.

        JS

        October 16, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      • Cutting welfare would be the best way to help blacks. It would cause short term pain but in the long run it would lead to a comeback for the black family. Without the welfare safety net it would be too risky for women to select thugs to father their children.

        Jay Fink

        October 17, 2016 at 4:43 am

    • Also, the question must be raised: do blacks want to help whites? If the shoe was on the other foot, would they be graciously paying whiteys EBT bills?

      fakeemail

      October 16, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      • blacks are incapable of helping whites. their existence as a group is a form of parasitism.

        JS

        October 16, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    • Trump wants to help blacks because they are Americans first, and he wants to help Americans. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t see letting in x millions of Africans part of his “helping blacks” agenda.

      peterike

      October 16, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    • Surprised JS you would say such a thing. Are you invoking my Putin Satanic friend routine here?

      “Members of the alt right congo-gration we must protect our negro brothers and sistahs from the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune that has befallen our communitaaayh. From the moment their magical bodies came into our midst, they have fought the right Side of Historaaay to establish Haiti in our communit-yahs.”

      (Male Audience Member) “Heller -yea brother. Speak the truth!”

      “We must provide money, aid and guaranteeee-d jobs to every negro above 100IQ in a white shoe firm!”

      (All) Yeah!!

      “We mus cleanse our government of implicit bias”

      (All) “Praise the laaawd indeed”

      “We must have a decent Oscar for every black man that wants to feed his familaayhh!!

      (All) Hoooweee!!!

      “And finally, we must have our septical brothers in the alt right fund all our earthly pleasures”

      “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character and a blunt HR affirmative action alogorithm for job vacan-cayas that excludes east asians!!!”

      (Audience erupts in tears)

      “Someday we will have our own country, we could call it Liberia!!!”

      How’s MLKs legacy looking these days?

      HUUWEEEE!!

      The Philosopher

      October 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm

  3. The guy sounds like he’s never gotten laid.

    JW Bell

    October 16, 2016 at 9:53 am

    • The article makes it sound like he didn’t have any “regular” friends until he got to college. Then his new friends made a point to turn him into a white dweeby cuck. Sigh.

      bomag

      October 16, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    • I kind of agree.

      Of course, there’s also the possibility that not being a white nationalist was the price he had to pay for getting laid. Remember, it’s his first time away from home. Heartiste and Co. love to go on about WN game but unless you’re an alpha taking extreme positions just makes you look weird.

      SFG

      October 16, 2016 at 3:31 pm

  4. I am one of these people who can’t be persuaded.

    I grew up in one of the most liberal states, in the most liberal part of it, went to a college full of liberals, and grad school where almost everyone is a liberal. My parents are both slightly center right. Yet I am extremely far right and have been practically all my life.

    Perhaps there is a genetic predisposition towards extremism and the more intrinsically extremist you are born as, the harder you will be to convince of any point compared to someone born with more moderate sensibilities.

    jjbees

    October 16, 2016 at 11:19 am

    • Me too. It makes me chuckle when I hear a liberal talk as though a “good” liberal education would make everyone a liberal. I have an uncle who’s a conservative Catholic and tried to raise his kids that way: homeschooling, lots of church activities, no TV or “worldly” entertainment, the whole 9 yards. His oldest son, my cousin, is now a Bernie Sanders-supporting leftist who says “I really regret my conservative religious upbringing” and is always posting BLM/white privilege stuff on Facebook. It strikes me that I had the upbringing and education he wishes he had (secular, good public school, secular college, reputable grad/professional school) and unapologetically want to go back to the 1950’s.

      Hermes

      October 17, 2016 at 9:18 am

      • My wife and I are both conservative but are raising our two children in the granddaddy of all liberal protestant denominations, The Episcopal Church. As tempted as I have been to walk away, I can never let myself leave for knowing that its swpl charms and moneyed congregants will ultimately have a more desirable outcome for their futures than any conservative alternative. I could take them to a Catholic or Evangelical church to instill right wing values, but too often that comes with an unhealthy dose of meathead culture and prole sensibilities. I will take my chances amongst the mainline protestants, knowing that even though they lean left, their class drift is always up and never down. I realize that this is terribly superficial, but it is true and I have seen the irony played out on folks like your uncle too many times before.

        B.T.D.T.

        October 17, 2016 at 9:25 pm

      • Terrific comment by Hermes. I love the comments on this blog.

        Random observations about this story:

        1) No one is more sheltered and clueless than affluent suburban kids.

        2) Don Black’s racism/White Nationalism took a radical turn in prison. Shades of Twitter troll weev.

        3) Derek has no plan or obvious need to make money or do anything productive; probably never will. All thanks to the profits from a racist website.

        Ava Lon

        October 17, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      • “My wife and I are both conservative but are raising our two children in the granddaddy of all liberal protestant denominations, The Episcopal Church.”

        My wife and I made the same decision (or she did) and I’ve found my parental duty in eye rolling the excesses of the Episcopal church and make sure my kids knew it. It seems to have worked out well.

        Mike Street Station

        October 18, 2016 at 11:14 am

  5. Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl

    Dave

    October 16, 2016 at 11:46 am

  6. A picture of Derek Black tells you all you need to know. He looks like a low testosterone beta male who would be scared to lose friends by having radical beliefs, especially beliefs that young women find anathema. He looks like the sort who might call himself a male feminist in a rather transparent attempt to attract women.

    JOHN BECK

    October 16, 2016 at 11:49 am

    • He does look like a nerd–medieval history and reenactments? Come on. Probably he realized an extremist philosophy wasn’t going to let him get laid.

      SFG

      October 16, 2016 at 3:36 pm

  7. ‘Derek said he actually believed in more immigration, because he had been studying the social and economic benefits of diversity.’

    He isn’t very bright, but neither is the father. It’s genetic.

    Lion, the influence of the majority culture is insidious. Trump isn’t immune and neither is anyone of us. Even if you actively fight against it, it still influences you and your descendants. I think it’s important to understand this.

    Yakov

    October 16, 2016 at 1:04 pm

  8. This story demonstrates that, for most people, what you believe in is not based on logic

    Isn’t it not just possible but likely that the university professors and students actually provided arguments that were more rational and logical than those of white supremacist father and his associates?

    Magnavox

    October 16, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    • No. It is not possible.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 16, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    • I fail to see how it is possible for anyone who has become acquainted with the facts concerning Race and IQ – and we all know they are facts – and the facts concerning Race and crime; and then how these and other collections of facts, such as poverty, a Nation’s GDP, and so on – are explained in a perfectly coherent way by differences in group average IQ; and then how Darwin’s theory predicts that differences in group average IQ will inevitably occur. I cannot see how anyone can, knowing all this, either continue to hold to or else revert back to the muddled, unscientific and obviously false Liberal Establishment position on these matters.

      Presumably Mr Derek Black was informed of all of the above by his father. I’ve told my son and his belief set is as you would expect.

      Its a bit like Copernicus’ son saying to his dad “Sorry dad, I have been to school and despite your reason and evidence I think the Earth is the centre of the Universe after all”.

      martin2

      October 16, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    • Isn’t it not just possible but likely that the university professors and students actually provided arguments that were more rational and logical than those of white supremacist father and his associates?

      While many theories bandied about on race realist blogs have serious flaws – e.g., r/K selection, ethnic genetic interests, Lynn’s national IQ estimates – no liberal has ever come up with a remotely plausible reason to explain why different races would not evolve different distributions of mental traits.

      For races to have the same mental characteristics means that the brain has been immune to Darwinian selection since man left Africa while every other human physical trait has been subject to selection.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 16, 2016 at 3:28 pm

      • “no liberal has ever come up with a remotely plausible reason to explain why different races would not evolve different distributions of mental traits.”

        Liberals say that it’s not up to them to explain why different races would not evolve different distributions of mental traits. They say that the null hypothesis is central to the way science works, that no difference between two groups should be assumed until a difference can be proven, and that the burden of proof should be on the person making a positive assertion.

        If you point to the various pieces of evidence and studies showing that racial differences exist even after the best efforts to control for environmental factors, they just claim other studies have shown that those studies didn’t adequately control for environmental factors.

        Hermes

        October 16, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • no liberal has ever come up with a remotely plausible reason to explain why different races would not evolve different distributions of mental traits.

        Sure they have. They just scream “RACIST!”

        destructure

        October 16, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      • Liberals say that it’s not up to them to explain why different races would not evolve different distributions of mental traits. They say that the null hypothesis is central to the way science works, that no difference between two groups should be assumed until a difference can be proven, and that the burden of proof should be on the person making a positive assertion.

        Scientifically the burden of proof is on them to prove their hypothesis because they already accept Darwinian evolution affects traits that have poorly understood genetic origins. Every scientist who accepts evolution always assumes, and have assumed, that the genetic basis of diseases can be proven heritability studies alone, even if the genetic structure of the disease is unknown such as in the case of schizophrenia.

        Ideally they would have to prove the human brain was somehow exempted from selection. Which is something they don’t even attempt because the statistical hurdles against such an exemption make it very implausible.

        Sure they have. They just scream “RACIST!”

        Of course pure blank slatism never had any proof on its side. It was adopted by the left to justify social engineering programs which depend on the assumption of high human malleability to be feasible.

        Aren’t stormfronters all idiots though? I didn’t say that his new college views were more accurate just that the arguments he was exposed to in college were in all likelihood more intelligent and rational than the ones he grew up with.

        That surely put him at a disadvantage.

        And if the theories of the brightest advocates of sociobiology often have deep logical flaws, how much more of a disadvantage was the attempt of his Stormfront father to argue against what his son heard in college.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 16, 2016 at 10:31 pm

      • “Every scientist who accepts evolution always assumes, and have assumed, that the genetic basis of diseases can be proven heritability studies alone, even if the genetic structure of the disease is unknown such as in the case of schizophrenia.”

        That’s a good point. If you assert that schizophrenia has a genetic component, you don’t get liberals shrieking “show me the SPECIFIC GENES and their positions on each chromosome and PROVE PRECISELY how EACH ALLELE affects the development of schizophrenia! Unless you can do that, your argument is pseudoscientific garbage!” the way they do when you assert that racial differences in intelligence have a genetic component.

        Hermes

        October 17, 2016 at 12:51 am

      • On the other hand, to contradict what I’ve just posted, I think liberals would get out of that by claiming those are two entirely different scenarios. We know that when a disease or condition affects blacks more than whites, like hypertension or schizophrenia, then unless the precise genetic cause is known (as in the case of, say, sickle-cell anemia,) liberals say we must assume the differences are caused by environmental factors, like the stress of discrimination. So I think they would say “I accept that this or that trait, like schizophrenia or intelligence, likely has a genetic component, even if we haven’t found the exact genes yet, but asserting that the difference in prevalence of that trait between different populations groups is due to genetics, when there are so many confounding environmental factors, is a more extraordinary assertion and requires a higher standard of proof.”

        Hermes

        October 17, 2016 at 1:04 am

      • The value an importance of HBD is not arguing that any of the tenets are that important or specifying some underlying mechanism for how it occurs. It is simply presenting a plausible counterargument to the belief that all the problems of minorities are caused by white people.

        The difference is simply that this particular group is not as bright, either on average or distributionally.

        Remember, the null hypothesis is not that everyone is equal. The null hypothesis is that all problems are caused by white people.

        map

        October 17, 2016 at 3:19 am

      • So I think they would say “I accept that this or that trait, like schizophrenia or intelligence, likely has a genetic component, even if we haven’t found the exact genes yet, but asserting that the difference in prevalence of that trait between different populations groups is due to genetics, when there are so many confounding environmental factors, is a more extraordinary assertion and requires a higher standard of proof.

        But that’s never argued by liberals.

        There have been cases of simpler diseases known to vary by race and which heritability studies predicted were genetic that were later confirmed by genome studies as genetic and variable. If the methodology of that heritability research was accurate for those cases why can’t it be trusted for complex traits like schizophrenia, height, intelligence, etc., before the genes are identified?

        They would have no response.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 17, 2016 at 6:52 pm

      • Remember, the null hypothesis is not that everyone is equal. The null hypothesis is that all problems are caused by white people.

        Unequal distributions of talent would disprove that hypothesis.

        And, although IQ research is rock solid, that still isn’t an excuse for weak theorizing on the part of race realists. An illogical argument is a waste of effort and discredits their other ideas which may be on firmer ground.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 17, 2016 at 6:56 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        I meant that this is the null hypothesis of the Left.

        map

        October 18, 2016 at 12:43 am

      • “Remember, the null hypothesis is not that everyone is equal. The null hypothesis [of the left] is that all problems are caused by white people.”

        I LOLed… because it’s true.

        Hermes

        October 18, 2016 at 11:09 am

      • I meant that this is the null hypothesis of the Left.

        Of course.

        That’s why they won’t allow the null to be tested.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 18, 2016 at 7:13 pm

      • Except for the fact that there is no such thing as human races, we are all one people.

        Raychelle

        November 7, 2016 at 9:25 am

    • Aren’t stormfronters all idiots though? I didn’t say that his new college views were more accurate just that the arguments he was exposed to in college were in all likelihood more intelligent and rational than the ones he grew up with.

      Magnavox

      October 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • They’re not all idiots. I will admit Stormfront is not exactly a Mensa annex but I wouldn’t say every WN is stupid. Kevin MacDonald seems smart whatever you think of his ideas. William Pierce of the National Alliance was a physicist.

        SFG

        October 16, 2016 at 10:31 pm

  9. The race struggle illuminates the tactics: The white/right is above the board and forthright saying: “white genocide is real and we’re pro-white.”

    The anti-white/left (SPLC/ADL) plays below the board saying: “race is a social construct, whites must give up privilege and majority status, and all crimes (like BLM) committed by non-whites are not about race and/or the fault of evil whites.” They are vociferously anti-white without ever saying it; just pretending that they’re for everybody and they don’t see color, and all that jazz. We should all be united, and whitey should just shut-up, do the heavy lifting, and subsidize their demographic demise, and everyone else’s demographic explosion. That’s the thing about “unity”: the lesser profits from the higher, but not vice-versa.

    Ironicaly, it’s actually Republican cucks who give the most good faith effort to actually be colorblind.

    As for the case of Derek Black. . .he’s weakmnded, but I can’t say I blame him. It’s easier to just go with the flow and all that. Ignorance is bliss. Who wants to be on the losing side of a war? Better to pretend that everything is hunky dory and everybody loves everybody, etc. People are easily persuadable ESPECIALLY when the strings of social exclusion are at play. America will continue to devolve into a vilolent 3rd world dystopia, but as long as the “right” leaders are elected and pretty bromides are spoken about brotherhood, that means everything is “ok.”

    But yes, some people just are NOT weak-minded or persuadable like that; they can’t lie to themselves no matter how much the matrix wants them too. A lot of white men have grown up utterly UNNERVED by having savage feminist women and members of hostile tribes amongst them their whole life in school and work. They can’t not know that something is wrong; they feel it in their bones and they don’t hate every non-white person like some cartoon character strawman that the Left churns out. It’s far more likely that they are the hated.

    Diversity causes unspeakable division and unhappiness to whites. It’s only a strength to the managers/manipulators who profit off it by subsidizing the pain to everyone else.

    fakeemail

    October 16, 2016 at 1:10 pm

  10. A white supremacist called “Black”. Heh heh heh.

    Jesse

    October 16, 2016 at 1:20 pm

  11. But notice that according to the article, his view didn’t start to change until he was “outed” as a white nationalist in his college community. He could retain his views while moving undercover among liberals, but once he began to experience social disapprobation, then his views started to change.

    Of course, the article makes it sound like his views did change for logical, rational reasons:

    “He had always based his opinions on fact, and lately his logic was being dismantled by emails from his Shabbat friends. They sent him links to studies showing that racial disparities in IQ could largely be explained by extenuating factors like prenatal nutrition and educational opportunities. They gave him scientific papers about the effects of discrimination on blood pressure, job performance and mental health. He read articles about white privilege and the unfair representation of minorities on television news.”

    Incidentally, this is why I despair of ever having children. The vast majority of conservative parents I know, who tried to raise their kids to be conservative, saw them rebel and wind up liberal as adults.

    Hermes

    October 16, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    • If you raise them to be liberal, they often wind up becoming radical.

      Besides, at the very least you will be producing white kids, and as a doctor (if I read your blog?) you are likely to be able to find someone. I’d get a prenup and give it a shot. Besides, who will take care of your old bones in 50 years?

      I suspect there was a cute liberal girl involved somewhere along the way for Derek Black.

      SFG

      October 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      • Hermes should be very careful if he becomes seriously involved with a woman to the point of entertaining marriage. The prenup needs to be iron clad. I know one middle-aged physician whose wife is divorcing him for the most trivial reasons, basically that he’s not “fun” enough. She shows no gratitude to him for having supported her as a stay-at-home mom since the kids were born. This divorce is terrible for my acquaintance beyond the usual because the medical profession now sees only reimbursement cuts and because technologies are being developed that will cut further into physician practice. Hermes is younger than this guy, so the financial risk is even greater for him.

        nebbish

        October 22, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    • “The vast majority of conservative parents I know, who tried to raise their kids to be conservative, saw them rebel and wind up liberal as adults.”

      I think it depends a lot on the parents and the environment. You can’t just ignore the issue and assume your kids will have your values. You have to think this stuff through. If you’re smart enough you’ll figure out the factors and act accordingly. I used to be worried about it but they all seem to be turning out with our values. But we have a great relationship with our children and spend time with them.

      destructure

      October 16, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    • It’s been an established fact for decades that the primary influence on children is the other children they want to fit in with, not parents.

      Mark Caplan

      October 17, 2016 at 10:16 am

      • But the parents have a large amount of control over who their children’s friends are.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 17, 2016 at 4:49 pm

      • We’ve discussed that on this blog before. You can’t choose your children’s friends. But you can put them in activities and situations where they’ll make the right kind of friends. You can also cultivate an interests in conservative activities like hunting. If your kids become hunters they’re almost guaranteed to be conservative.

        Even if parents aren’t the primary influence, I still think spending time as a family is crucial. You can’t let your children run wild and expect them to end up conservative. Because respect for authority, loyalty and morality are the three values that distinguish conservatives. Where are they going to get that if not from their parents?

        destructure

        October 17, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    • “Besides, who will take care of your old bones in 50 years?”

      Hard to overstate how important that is, but it’s usually not obvious until it’s way to late to have children. I would go ahead and have the kids. In 40 years, you wont’ regret it.

      Mike Street Station

      October 18, 2016 at 11:32 am

      • It’s very simple: no kids is evolutionary extinction. If you don’t have them, you are evolutionary trash. You are worthless.

        Yakov

        October 19, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • “Besides, who will take care of your old bones in 50 years?”

        Well, if this is your motivation for having kids, most likely they will put you in a nursing home.

        Healthy people procreate and do whatever it takes to provide for their posterity. It’s not my problem that if I follow the law having a family becomes unaffordable. I don’t care for the law, I care to survive. Some people think it’s criminal? They will die out, but I will not! This is Darwin, mates! And Darwin is the only thing that matters. I’m not going to follow the path of self-extinction because I’m a healthy biological specimen, or at least this is what I think.

        Yakov

        October 19, 2016 at 10:49 am

    • American liberals are not socially progressive or progressive in general, and conservatives in America are delusional in a world that is becoming truly global. American liberals view globalism as a way to pander to 3rd world primitives, instead of connecting with like-minded entities of a similar cognitive intellect. Therefore, Americans are committing suicidé.

      JS

      October 22, 2016 at 3:44 pm

  12. The kid is an idiot, the 100-105 IQ intellectual mediocrity that is awed by college professors indoctrinating students on multiculturalism at a third rate arts college in Florida. He merely aped his father’s views as a teenager but never understood the logic behind them.
    -He now believes race doesn’t exist
    -He is also a believer in the social, economic and political benefits of immigration.
    -Now believes IQ is determined by ‘educational opportunities.
    He’s merely reciting boilerplate leftist platitudes he got from his professors.
    And the worst of it is his parents paid for this expensive brainwashing

    D. Gonzalez

    October 16, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    • “a third rate arts college in Florida”

      Isn’t it fascinating how journalists are given licence to invent basic facts in order to fit their narrative? Here, the story seems to be “racist boy makes good after leaving poisonous home environment for prestigious college” or some such claptrap. Saslow actually wrote the following gem: “He decided he wanted to study medieval European history, so he applied to New College of Florida, a top-ranked liberal arts school with a strong history program.”

      Top ranked where, exactly? Wonderful stuff, this!

      The Shepherd

      October 17, 2016 at 2:51 pm

  13. The article is also a hit-piece on Trump, of course, trying to make it sound like white supremacism, Nazism, antisemitism, KKK-ism, etc. are somehow integral parts of his campaign.

    Hermes

    October 16, 2016 at 1:30 pm

  14. Anecdotal evidence is always the best kind.

    JayMan

    October 16, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    • How would you explain this case? You seem to be a big proponent of the idea that everything is inherited. This case would appear to be a counter-example to your belief. Especially since the father isn’t just an ordinary person with private beliefs, but fervent enough to be a leader.

      Tom

      October 16, 2016 at 9:25 pm

      • Believing or not believing in HBD is not programmed into our genes. The tendency to be easily persuaded by peer pressure, however, may be a genetic behavior trait.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 17, 2016 at 12:20 am

      • Sure, because people’s stories are 100% reliable.

        And genes don’t cause change as well as stability.

        I go by statistics, which clearly show such things have no effect on political orientation whatsoever.

        JayMan

        October 17, 2016 at 5:57 am

      • It’s possible that he could be lying and not being honest about his true beliefs. Is that what you’re saying?

        Evolution presupposes variation, since selection and evolution couldn’t happen otherwise. Doesn’t this mean that everything can’t be completely inherited?

        Tom

        October 17, 2016 at 1:04 pm

  15. (1) What traits make a person immune to this type of persuasion?

    (2) I think I’ve asked this before, but is there any documented example of the adult child of a famous True Believer in the left-leaning viewpoint holding beliefs in a completely contrarian direction (hbd, trad-con, hell even neocon, whatever)?

    Jokah Macpherson

    October 16, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    • David Horowitz swung right. A lot of the neocons moved right, though you can argue whether they really did.

      SFG

      October 16, 2016 at 10:33 pm

      • But were his parents famous, though? I’m thinking something like Jesse Jackson Jr. deciding one day that really Clarence Thomas had it right all along.

        Jokah Macpherson

        October 17, 2016 at 7:38 pm

  16. Most people are fundamentally “go-along-to-get-along” sorts. If Black was a German in 1936 Germany, he’d be one of the Third Reich’s fanatical supporters. Conversely, if he was a Russian living in the USSR of 1936, he’d be singing the praises of comrade Stalin, protector of the proletarian masses.

    Oswald Spengler

    October 16, 2016 at 2:05 pm

  17. His estrogen level says more about his politics than his IQ or family.

    In this order you can predict political affiliation:

    Race/Genetic Interest>hormonal profile/gender>IQ (lack of verbal intelligence)

    We are biological beings, not automatons that download data and analyse like Milton ‘The Great Depression happened because there wasn’t enough credit cards’ Friedman.

    The Philosopher

    October 16, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    • Of course in this case, his estrogen levels are so low, he wants to be a nice guy and fit in with the other girls than stick with family…like other girls ahaha.

      No you know why girls are shafted by inheritance laws in every culture for most of history, their hormones makes them disloyal to the tribe.

      The Philosopher

      October 16, 2016 at 2:26 pm

  18. The Post article reads like an account of someone converting to a new religion.

    “I grew up as a Methodist, just taking it for granted. One day I started hanging with some Hare Krishnas, and it really resonated with me. I realized that this is where I REALLY belong…”

    So many funny lines in the article:

    “He decided to trust the U.S. government.”

    bomag

    October 16, 2016 at 2:24 pm

  19. I think you’re mis-characterizing Trump. Unless I just haven’t been following him closely enough, it seems like he has no track record of resisting, or expressing opposition to, any of the standard SJW tropes, such as “diversity,” AGW, or open borders, and certainly not with the outrage that anyone genuinely offended by these fraudulent concepts would have. Instead, all you have is a “let’s slow down here a minute” in the face of Muslim bombings and mass shootings, but not until San Bernardino. For example, did Trump ever say that Obama was unfit to be President solely on the basis of his connection with Ayers? If not, I don’t know why anyone would characterize him as a hardcore common sense type. So if you’re 69, went through college before the rise of radical PC, and since then have been enjoying the space money gives you to avoid leftist idiocies, you really have no claim to be “resistant” to persuasion. I hate leftists, and now any Democrat, with a passion, but even I don’t know how resistant I’d have been at 21, because these types were far more subtle when I was in college. I was at Berkeley in the ’70’s and in those days, about as radical as professors got was arguing that the 14th Amendment should be fully incorporated.

    Marty

    October 16, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    • “it seems like he [Trump] has no track record of resisting, or expressing opposition to, any of the standard SJW tropes, such as “diversity,” AGW, or open borders”

      What part of “build a wall” don’t you understand?

      “did Trump ever say that Obama was unfit to be President solely on the basis of his connection with Ayers?”

      Because this is an inside-baseball issue that 99.8% of people couldn’t care less about, even if they should. Trump was pretty upfront on the birther stuff, which should convince you of his essentially radical nature.

      peterike

      October 17, 2016 at 12:44 pm

  20. If you’re a Borderliner like me you look for the Creed with which the social-gamers justify their devotion to a game that you couldn’t possibly enjoy playing, and you hate this Creed. And so I hate Progressivism.

    Garr

    October 16, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    • TUJ’s website-name somehow automatically appeared in the “website” line of the “Post Comment” form, and I submitted the comment before I realized that this was the case. Dunno why it popped up there. Sorry. Don’t bother clicking on my alias — it actually won’t lead you anywhere anyway.

      Garr

      October 16, 2016 at 7:32 pm

  21. Don Black has the #1 WN site on the internet, yet is supported by his wife’s pink collar job and can’t afford motels when he travels, mostly in cheap southern towns where they cost $40. If that is the lifestyle he was headed for as Don Black’s “heir,” I can see why Derek Black want something different.

    We can infer Don Black lives in a poor neighborhood from the statement that “Derek was one of only a few white students in a class of mostly Hispanics and Haitians”

    Lot

    October 16, 2016 at 10:27 pm

  22. I don’t think anyone here is aware of the true malignant horror of Don Black. Derek is just reacting to that.

    gothamette

    October 16, 2016 at 10:57 pm

  23. I do think right-wing Europeans have it easier. English, French, Catalan or even Bavarian nationalism are much easier to argue than the nebulous ‘white Nationalism’ of America. It just doesn’t have the roots or the romance.
    I don’t have children myself but I think there are ways of introducing children to your beliefs that are more likely to succeed than others. As a boy I think having a father you respect and want to emulate is helpful. Many parents who are ‘true believers’ of whatever religion cannot help but dogmatically bash their children over the head and simply tell their offspring they have to believe rather than give them the facts and the tools and then let them arrive at the truth by themselves, likewise some with extreme beliefs are obsessional and cannot help but turn every observation into a lecture.
    The article says that Don Black took the boy out of school because it was so non-white. Perhaps by shielding his son from the reality of racial strife in the classroom he actually prevented him from receiving the best lesson possible about race in America. Rather than homeschooling he should have put him in a school in Detroit?
    Don’t overlook the fact religious believers love a repentant sinner or a prodigal son. Who gets the most attention in a church–the man who has always been a member, gets married young and turns up every week to sit quietly at the back, or the man who turns up at thirty and having been a drinker, drug-abuser and womaniser suddenly and dramatically realises he wants to give his life to God? If he was just another liberal bozo he would be nothing on campus or in the outslde world. But as this article demonstrates, having the mantle of ‘Former Racist Who Has Seen The Light’ gives him a cache and an interesting back-story that make him a much more interesting prospect.
    Some of the Westboro kids have left the ‘God hates fags’ church and those two blonde children ‘Lamb and Links’ have disowned the neo Nazi beliefs of their mother. In both cases they have made useful propaganda tools, even as documentary makers probably regret their loss.
    Anyway…he looks like a cross between Cher’s son in that film about the kid with the huge chin and one of those reconstructions of a cro-magnon skull found festering in an Irish bog. Fuck him and his new found smug beliefs. He may not have an interest in being as white straight man, but others most certainly have an interest in him being that. We won’t be allowed a quiet life.

    prolier than thou

    October 17, 2016 at 3:57 am

    • The population of NAMs in America exceed the population of Whites in almost all Western nations.

      Furthermore, American Whites who are the most numerous of the entire Western Hemisphere = Proles.

      JS

      October 17, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      • Proles make guten soldaten. We’re gonna need ’em.

        Vincent

        October 17, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      • Meriprolestan is the Neo Rome — an intellectual backwater. The Romans were quite prole — when you compare them to the Greeks who had their scientists and philosophers. The Romans were all about power and wealth. You can say the same about Americans.

        JS

        October 18, 2016 at 11:31 am

  24. Crazy shit with Wikileaks. Might ultimately play in our favor.

    Trump up to 44.8 in LAT and Clinton has declined to 43.7. On the day of the leak it was Trump up 45.8 to 42.7, a margin of 3.1 points.

    And I feel like 3.1 is the natural margin that this race has settled into if you look at the trend lines, at least as far as the LAT poll is concerned.

    If the LAT poll is accurate or off by 1 in favor of Trump, we’ve got this. If it is off by 2 or 3 in Trump’s favor, Trump wins a close one. It is off by 4 or more in Trump’s favor, President Hillary.

    I keep going back and forth on what the real numbers are. I suspect that by election day, Ras will have Trump up by 3, LAT will have Trump up by 3 and UPI will have Trump up by 1. The other polls will all show Hillary leading. Some of them will be blatantly rigged but mainly the differences will be because of different turnout models.

    The final results will be extremely close. I have previously predicted a 1 percent Trump victory in the popular vote. I am going to stick with that.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 17, 2016 at 5:13 am

    • Nate Silver explains that the LA Times poll only makes sense if you add 6 POINTS in Clinton’s favor. That would give Hillary a +5 advantage today, which is in line with other national polls.

      Rasmussen is not a poll I put much stock in. At this point, it’s a consistent pro-Trump outliier.

      I would love to be wrong.

      SWPL2

      October 17, 2016 at 8:10 am

      • Nate also admits that his criticism of the LAT poll would have applied just as much for the 2012 election, and yet it was 2012’s most accurate poll.

        The LAT poll is not necessarily correct, but it should not be entirely dismissed either. Also note that even I am predicting that Trump will perform 2-3 points worse than what the LAT and Ras polls show.

        Otis the Sweaty

        October 17, 2016 at 12:08 pm

      • The LAT poll is not necessarily correct, but it should not be entirely dismissed either.

        The Times poll has no fixed demographic weighting. Their system of “free floating” weighting could be an advantage for them given how uncomfortable the electorate is about both candidates.

        https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/the-state-of-the-campaign/

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      • After Trump went on the attack in mid-August when he was down on average by 8-9 points his attack had erased the gap by Labor Day.

        Another offensive such as that one is called for, but one that includes more personal attacks against Hillary’s ethics and enabling of Bill’s sexual harassment to kick her personal negatives higher.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm

  25. In that article, it mentions that Matthew, an Orthodox Jew who invites Derek Black for a Shabbat Dinner, suspects Derek’s suspected antisemitism and said this: “Maybe Derek has never met a Jew before”.

    And how does meeting an actual Jewish person changes one’s mind about Jews? Meeting Ben Carson does not change the mind of anyone with their negative views of the black underclass. There are people from the 3rd world who admire Jews, simply because of their political prowess and financial acumen.

    JS

    October 17, 2016 at 5:21 pm

  26. By definition if you have kids in West Palm Beach you are probably flat broke. It’s where rich, empty nester Yankees go to retire and live out the rest of their lives as very poor tippers.

    Camlost

    October 17, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    • Wealth is concentrated mostly in the Northeastern Liberal Centers and California. I can’t imagine any SWPL leaning reader here, relocating to the proliest region of America, which is anyplace in the South. The Midwest seems remotely feasible. And the Southwest is more of an option. I know of a Northeastern retiree couple who relocated to Santa Fe, NM. It sure beats the hell out of any place south of DC.

      JS

      October 18, 2016 at 12:22 am

      • Wealth is concentrated mostly in the Northeastern Liberal Centers and California.

        Yeah, our newly wealthy international business/entertainment/finance class is certainly concentrated in CA/Pac-NW or the Northeast corridor. The South does have quite a lot of wealth, but it’s mostly old, old money (often tied to land holdings) and in raw numbers our newly rich class has surely surpassed them in absolute $$ resources.

        But West Palm Beach is not part of the South, nor is anywhere in Central (Orlando) or Eastern Florida. Western, Northern (Jacksonville) and panhandle Florida are definitely Southern, though.

        Derek Black had to have met many Jews while growing up in West Palm Beach, though.

        Camlost

        October 18, 2016 at 10:49 am

      • Florida is the South. Anyplace south of DC is the South in a geographical sense. Not one place stand out in the South for those who enjoy anything that is remotely high culture or burgeoning.

        Then you have the atrocious weather. High humidity and hurricanes — Why would anyone with a right mind want to live there?

        Worse and not least, NAMs are mostly concentrated in the South.

        The South also ranks bottom on the totem pole, in terms of quality of life, and this includes many parts of Florida.

        JS

        October 18, 2016 at 12:02 pm

  27. I agree that Derek Black is a true believe with regards to HBD. Further, I think he might be trying to set himself up for a lucrative speaking career in the “anti-racist” speaking racket. Tim Wise, for instance, gets $10,000-20,000 a speech to tell Whites how evil and racist they are.

    https://www.allamericanspeakers.com/speakers/Tim-Wise/395483

    Steven J.

    October 17, 2016 at 11:09 pm

  28. Florida is the South. Anyplace south of DC is the South in a geographical sense.

    No, West Palm Beach might as well just be another burrough of NYC.

    It was pretty stupid of Don Black to raise his kid in public schools in South Florida, which must have a similar Demographic profile to public schools in Bed Stuy or Harlem.

    Camlost

    October 18, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    • Perhaps, but it isn’t a SWPL nabe. West Palm Beach could be a prole area of Brooklyn. Florida is a state that attracts prole retirees.

      Those with money and an ounce of class would retire in warm areas like the Southwest (with the exception of Arizona and Nevada) and California.

      JS

      October 18, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      • Palm Beach isn’t like the rest of Florida. It has attracted wealthy Northeasterners and mid-Westerners (e.g. Madeleine Force Astor, the widow of John Jacob Astor IV, and Marjorie Merriweather Post) for more than a century since Henry Flagler, a co-founder of Standard Oil, worked to establish it as a resort with hotels and railroad access. Naples, on the west coast of Florida, also has a significant concentration of wealth, though my gut feeling is that there is more new money in Naples relative to Palm Beach.

        nebbish

        October 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm

      • Geographically and climatic speaking, Florida blows…There are too many NAM immigrants from the Caribbean, and Florida is surrounded by the worse kind of proles you can imagine, both native born and foreign. Then there’s the constant threat of hurricanes. Florida is exceptionally sweaty and uncomfortable most of the year. If I was wealthy and want to invest in real estate in a warm clime, California and the South West are better investments. The reasons are mentioned above.

        From a status signaling viewpoint, I would have more status owning a home out in San Diego than anywhere in Florida.

        JS

        October 22, 2016 at 8:30 pm

  29. Now if only the Washington Post will do a story about the New Black Panther Party, you know, for a little parity.

    Calogero

    October 18, 2016 at 9:40 pm

  30. When was the last time any of you visited a college? Some of you who haven’t been there for a long time should spend a semester there and take a course now, its an eye opening experience of why the Left is a fever swamp of Marxist throwbacks. Anyone who believes we won the Cold War will probably be shocked, because these places are Marxist Re-education camps like you would expect in the Soviet Union or North Korea. I went there a few years back to get a four year degree, and it was so bad I had to stop for my own sanity. They were telling students that the Cubans have a better healthcare system than ours, and according to these learned educators, Marx was some kind of scientist or philosopher. The Long March through the institutions has drawn an Iron Curtain over academia!

    Joshua Sinistar

    October 19, 2016 at 3:55 am

    • ” Anyone who believes we won the Cold War will probably be shocked, because these places are Marxist Re-education camps like you would expect in the Soviet Union or North Korea.”

      We may have won the Cold War but the majority of college professors were rooting for the other side.

      Lewis Medlock

      October 19, 2016 at 11:26 am

  31. Jesus.

    The WaPo article was annoying, I’ll grant, in that it offers two options: stay a Nazi, or become a true believing liberal.

    But the OP and the comments are a good example why even the softer versions of the alt-right are made up of people who have their heads up their asses.

    Lion – you do not deal with the fact that Don Black is a malignant scumbag, and that Derek has been raised in a revolting, toxic environment. Being a basically nice person, he’s trying to grow out of that. He may end up in a different place, but I sincerely hope it’s not back in Stormfrontland.

    Perhaps you would have ended up there if you hadn’t been born Jewish.

    Trump is going down big. This whole thing has been a total con.

    gothamette

    October 20, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • America sucks, because it’s a right wing country. Right as in reactionary. The left is extreme in their own way, the same way the right-o-sphere is intolerant. However, in the last 20 years or so, liberals are the consummate nazis, who silence anyone in disagreement with them. And liberalism in America also sucks, because of NAMs. You could also include most of the people who are part of your ethnic/religious cohort.

      JS

      October 20, 2016 at 10:32 am


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