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Honest Trump

The mainstream media is making a Big Deal about Trump’s refusal to commit to accepting the “outcome” of the election.

Despite the mainstream media meme that Trump is a big liar, Trump is actually not very comfortable with lying, so he gave an honest answer. Hillary lied. We know damn well that if there’s a close election in a swing state, that Hillary is going to contest it just like Gore contested Florida.

Do you remember when Jeb Bush and Kasich said during the first Republican debate, more than a year ago, that they would support the Republican nominee? Both liars.

I personally don’t think that Trump should simply concede to HRC if there was fraud committed to prevent him from winning. How could that happen? Remember, many on the left think that Trump is like Hitler, and if you could prevent Hitler from being elected Chancellor by violating the election laws, and thereby prevent World War II and the Holocaust, wouldn’t you do it?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 20, 2016 at 8:42 am

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  1. Why on earth would any Republican candidate accept the result in light of what has been discovered about the proven depths of Democrat vote rigging and corruption? Perhaps the Republican Party has accepted the unofficial role of Official Opposition. Their job is to not notice, to not complain, to lose like gentleman amateurs, to offer friendly advice and to act as a kind of check to the total and unlimited power of the legitimate rulers, the Democrats; to provide a facade of democracy. The whole electoral process has become a collusion against half the voters and Donald Trump has exposed it, and is forcing them to raise the stakes every step of the way. ‘You want to steal the election? Fine. But from now on I will tell my voters that that’s what you’ve done. What will you do about that?’

    It raises the possibilty that even if he loses the struggle may continue, perhaps even more usefuly. Conservatives are natural ‘play the game’ types who would like nothing betterif Trump won than to switch off and go home for a victory drink and an early night. And then next morning to assume that the battle is won and the future is assured. Perhaps a hard-to-stomach defeat with the strong stench of being cheated would provide just the kind of narrative that would give many the reason to make the leap from protest voter to movement activist? A Tea Party with boots and fists?

    prolier than thou

    October 20, 2016 at 9:12 am

    • Everything that Putin is accused of with respect to rigging elections and democracy the Democrats actually are guilty of. Hillary is the American Putin. (The image of Putin as represented by the Democrat media.)


      October 23, 2016 at 11:38 am

  2. Dont make it sounds like an election is a coin flip if there will be widespread corruption. Yeeeesh- it was crazy when the democrats did it and it is excessive now.

    He would have been fine if he made a cautious statement but of course he goes off cocky and makes negative headlines.

    Lion of the Turambar

    October 20, 2016 at 9:15 am

    • Once again, you demonstrate utter cluelessness. A recent poll shows 72% of the public has concerns over election security. That puts Trump on the side of the overwhelming number of voters.


      October 20, 2016 at 11:44 am

      • No one thinks it’s paranoid to discuss Democrat corruption and fraud. They discuss it themselves in leaked emails and video. The only thing playing his response does is to focus even more attention on it.


        October 20, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    • There is a giant gap between “concerns” and not being able to venture an opinion on whether elections in the US are on average valid. And once again Trump came down on the wrong side of things.

      Here is a Clue for you- this was last chance to try to swing voters to his camp. He blows the response by doing nothing to appeal to those voters. Instead he comes off as petulant and a conspiracy theorist and puts off those voters.

      There is no need to appeal to his base in this answer- you idiots are already up for anything. This was his chance to sound like a rational person and instead he blows a good debate performance because the main thing that will get played on the news is his paranoid response.

      Lion of the Turambar

      October 20, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      • No one thinks it’s paranoid to discuss Democrat corruption and fraud. They discuss it themselves in leaked emails and video. The only thing playing his response does is to focus even more attention on it.


        October 20, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      • Uh huh. It really doesnt matter what your opinion is. Or mine.

        This is objective reality at this point- we know how the coverage turned out. Trump making wild accusations dominated the coverage following the debate and made him look petulant.

        We now know how this all turned out- Trump’s over the top approach to the issue drive negative coverage and got him zero additional votes.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 23, 2016 at 10:12 am

      • And yet he went up in the polls. The MSM were looking for something — anything — they could spin to make him look bad. And that’s the best they could come up with. And you’re looking for something — anything — you can use to attack him because you’re a NeverTrump pawn. You’re so dumb you don’t even know why you don’t like him. You’ll babble something about him being a liberal or obnoxious or maybe that you have “principles” which is idiotspeak for feelings. The truth is that it’s purely emotional for you. You wanted the greaseball who supported open borders and trade deficits because he wrapped himself in the bible and constitution. Being NeverTrump is your way of throwing a tantrum. But the billionaires funding NeverTrump don’t care about the bible or the constitution. They just want the open borders and trade deficits.


        October 23, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      • destructure has a good point. “Principles” as merely a proxy for feelings. That is good. Furthemore, even if Trump goes up in the polls, I still don’t trust them. The polls understate his support, even if they are favorable. Besides, you don’t want them to come back and say “See, Trump. the polls are not biased. They favored you, too.”


        October 23, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      • …because you’re a NeverTrump pawn. … But the billionaires funding NeverTrump don’t care about the bible or the constitution. They just want the open borders and trade deficits.


        The problem with Never Trumpers is that they are mainly goofy White guys with inadequecy issues who hate Trump for personal reasons and are living in a world totally separate from the real world.

        The country is being swamped and sold out and these goofballs are back in high school all bitter at guys like Trump for not being in the debate club or not carring about Ayn Rand or the Bible or whatever.


        October 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • I guess that pretty much sums up whats necessary to be a Trump voter- not only dont you have any Principles but you arent exactly sure what they are and you resent anyone who has them.

        And amusingly you think you are putting together a winning collation. By rigorously excluding any undecided voter who might have principles. Or any greaseballs. Or people who want their office holders to respect the Constitution.

        Its a special level of dumb to be oblivious to how dumb you are. The purpose of a debate is to win extra votes. Yobs holding signs at ones of your pep rallies are a lock- you dont have to throw them red meat. You need to appeal to your weak or marginal votes.

        All those weak support people have now been exposed to a week of negative coverage of Trump. Caused by him. And you think thats #winning.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 24, 2016 at 7:47 am

  3. He said the right thing. The panicked reaction at Vox says it all. Even if it hurts him at the polls, and I don’t believe it will, it was worth it in the long term.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 20, 2016 at 9:42 am

    • I think you’re right. I don’t think there’s much to be gained from trying to play along with the scummy press. There’s more value in calling the rot what it is than there is in pretending their coup is just a good, hard-fought campaign and that we can all move on together as a healthy country. I hope you’re right about the outcome.

      Rogal Dorn

      October 21, 2016 at 3:36 am

  4. I voted for His Majesty yesterday. It was the only way to counter so much negative news and polling armageddon.


    October 20, 2016 at 10:07 am

    • Nobody should do mail-in votes. Vote in person on election day so your early ballots don;t indicate how much they have to cheat.


      October 23, 2016 at 4:24 pm

  5. In 1960 there was some suspicion that the Daley political organization in Chicago had stolen Illinois by delaying the counting of votes until they knew the margin Kennedy needed to win Chicago by to carry the state. If Nixon really won Illinois I believe he would have won the presidency. There were people recommending Nixon contest the result in Illinois, but Nixon decided it was more important that there be a normal transfer of power. There really was no evidence of voter fraud, just the timing of when votes were reported and the general believe that the Daley political organization was corrupt. If there was an investigation, it would drag on for more than a year.

    In 2000 George Bush won Florida by 537 votes. When the margin is that small, Florida law mandates a machine recount. In addition candidates are allowed to request manual recounts in 3 or more precincts. The Gore campaign requested manual recounts in 4 counties. The manual recounts were required to be finished by Nov 14th. Several counties could not complete their recounts by that date and asked the Florida Supreme court for more time. The Florida Supreme court allowed the recounts to continue, but Bush appealed to the US Supreme court which ordered the recount stopped.

    Once the US Supreme court stopped the recount, Gore accepted the decision. It is generally believed that if there had been a full recount of all counties in Florida, Gore would have won, but such a recount would have taken several months and probably would not have been finished by January 6th when the electoral college votes are suppose to be counted.

    Mike CA

    October 20, 2016 at 10:10 am

    • This is incorrect. SCOTUS stopped the recount on December 8th and the case wasnt argued until the 11th. Gore clearly kept perusing his case. In any event a full month after the election is way too long with people manually examining ballots and waving them around in an effort to break off chads.

      ” It is generally believed that if there had been a full recount of all counties in Florida, Gore would have won”

      That is incorrect. Bush would have won a full recount. Its only in the case there is a full recount AND spoiled ballots are counted would have Gore eeked out a win by a couple of dozen votes.

      But at that point we are inferring what could have been the intent of voters . Clearly the thousands of voters in the Florida panhandle who got sent away because the news media incorrectly called the state for Gore an hour early should also be represented in should an interpretation.

      Lion of the Turambar

      October 20, 2016 at 11:00 am

      • SCOTUS issued a temporary injunction stopping the recount while they considered the case on Dec 9th. SCOTUS issued a ruling on the case Dec 12th, at which point Gore conceded the election.

        There were many irregularities in Florida. In addition the pan handle voting issues, Florida paid to have the voter roles “scrubbed” to remove convicted felons. In all 57,000+ were removed from the rolls, including 3% of the African American registered voters. The company that was hired to do this was ordered by the state to use very lax rules for matching names. The company warned the state that this would cause large number of people to be removed in error, but they were ordered to do it anyway. One analysis of part of the list indicated at least ~20% were obviously erroneous (things like conviction dates in the future). Leon County went through all 694 names in their county and found only 34 could be confirmed to be felons. This indicates the error rate on this list was somewhere between 20% and 95%. In a few cases these people were given an opportunity to show they should not have been removed before the election, but in most cases they did not even find out till they got to the polling place and were not allowed to vote.

        Given the closeness of the vote there were all kind or irregularities in Florida in 2000.


        October 20, 2016 at 4:33 pm

      • No one in the Florida panhandle got turned away.


        October 20, 2016 at 10:14 pm

      • “No one in the Florida panhandle got turned away”

        The claim is that some Central time zone voters didn’t bother going to the polls after some media started calling the election for Gore upon the Eastern time zone polls closing.


        October 21, 2016 at 7:03 am

      • “…SCOTUS issued a ruling on the case Dec 12th, at which point Gore conceded the election.”

        You make it sound like this was some sort of magnanimous move by Gore.

        In reality he had already had nearly a thousand lawyers crawling all over filing lawsuits, delayed the results of a federal election by a month and lost at the Supreme Court.

        He lost the case at the SCOTUS. There was no one else to appeal to and the slate of electors had to be finalized that day. There was nothing else to do.

        Not only did he behave in an magnanimous way in contesting the election, harming public confidence in election integrity, he dragged it out as along as he was able *and* spent years grumbling about it.

        The Democrats have traded in conspiracy theories about “stolen elections” for years (remember the “black box voting” scam that defrauded donators). It was wrong when they did it, and its wrong when Trump does it.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 22, 2016 at 9:15 am

    • “It is generally believed that if there had been a full recount of all counties in Florida, Gore would have won…”

      No, that is not generally believed. After the election several newspapers spent millions to do a recount and the final analysis was that Bush still would have won.

      Mike Street Station

      October 20, 2016 at 11:16 am

      • Gore won the popular votes, but lost the electoral ones. Most of us are dilettantes, when it comes to our voting system. Nobody really knows how it works. But one thing is for sure. Both parties are only swayed by big money when they take office.


        October 20, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      • Everyone who graduated from high school is supposed to know about the electoral college.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 20, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      • Do you know how it works? I can bet you if no one votes at the polling booth, the electoral college will be deciding who’s best fit for president.


        October 21, 2016 at 11:17 am

      • Electoral college is neat. Nobody has anything like this. My Tajik just couldn’t understand this idea. I hope Trump deports him.


        October 20, 2016 at 8:25 pm

      • You’re too harsh, Yakov. I don’t have an issue with *legal* immigrants; we can just decrease the number and make it hard to get in. Skim the cream off every other country. 😉


        October 21, 2016 at 6:54 pm

      • @SFG

        My Tajik isn’t legal and he is a Muslim. Two strikes against him. He drinks, sleeps around and used to smoke, has four wives and 8 kids, plus two more on the side, says he would support ISIS to kill all gays. Are you sure that you want him?


        October 22, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      • If Yakov think’s he a piece of shit then you know he’s a real hardcore piece of shit.


        October 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  6. Yeah, she’s rigging it to win by millions of votes. Look, if Republicans want to talk about structural disadvantages they should focus their ire on the Electoral College. Historically the institution has favored them by inflating the influence of small states, but the map is such now (and in the foreseeable future) that Republicans win small states by huge margins and relatively large swing states by narrow margins. A winner-take-all system hurts them.

    If they wanted an unfair structural advantage then they should lobby to make all states allocate votes proportionately.


    October 20, 2016 at 10:12 am

    • The EC will always benefit the party that appeals to rural voters. Right now, that’s the Republican party.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 20, 2016 at 10:26 am

      • Vince is right about proportional allocation of electoral votes. That would be huge. Republicans would be able to pick up electoral votes from California.

        But the bigger issue is 3rd world immigration, without which Democrats would be a permanent minority party.

        David Pinsen

        October 21, 2016 at 4:16 am

      • appeals to rural voters

        It depends on the situation.

        Urban champions Kerry/Edwards lost Ohio by 2% in 2004 amid some voter irregularity. Edwards pushed to contest that contest, but Kerry declined, which would have switched the result of the presidential race, despite a clear loss in the popular vote.


        October 21, 2016 at 6:58 am

      • David Pinsen thinks the elephant gang doesn’t like people of color. He’s wrong.

        Republicans are big on Latin American immigrants and Democrats are big on skimming welfare subsidies laid out for the black underclass.

        There are a few groups who truly belong in America:

        1) White gentile elites who live in the liberal centers.

        2) Jews who also live in the liberal centers.

        3) blacks who live in the outlying areas of the liberal centers and certain prole areas.

        4) Latin American Immigrants who are ubiquitous, and are set to take over America by their sheer numbers and their close proximity to New Spain.

        White gentile peasantry and East Asian value creators are losers in this arrangement. They are the butler class as people would say.


        October 21, 2016 at 11:29 am

      • Also, I forgot to mention – Republican big business elites whose main employees are Jose, Juan and Miguel, along with Maria.


        October 21, 2016 at 11:37 am

      • There are a few groups who truly belong in America

        None of the groups listed can feed themselves.

        So that is how America dies: kill all the Kulaks, then starve.


        October 21, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      • White liberal elites and to a certain extent Jewish elites of the Northeast and Left Coast, dislike the peasantry found in Middle America, and many of them also dislike those upward mobile, East Asian technocrats. blacks and Hispanics who are less intelligent, pose no threat or competition in the arms race for status and wealth. It’s a choice between more competition or less. Our sociopaths would rather destroy this country to preserve their social position.


        October 22, 2016 at 11:02 am

  7. there are people on social media cnn, msnbc, etc. that are claiming gore didn’t contest 2000 over voter fraud. it’s absurd.

    • Isn’t that right? Wasn’t he contesting whether or not there should be recounts and how certain ballots should or shouldn’t be counted (hanging chads, etc).? There are many reasons to contest an election, alleging voter fraud is just one of them.


      October 20, 2016 at 1:07 pm

  8. Before WWI Anarchists dreamed of a General Strike that would take down the bourgeois world. Here’s my analogous dream — men simply stop taking orders, advice, instruction, etc., from female bosses, rendering them irrelevant. Men chuckle dismissively when women apply for jobs, attempt to vote, try to file “discrimination” lawsuits. It’s all informal, and so pervasive that Feminism is destroyed and the patriarchy restored within weeks.


    October 20, 2016 at 10:37 am

    • Well, Anarchists were nuts and ended in a disaster. You mate, are also off your rocker. Feminism and women’s rights are a good thing. Ataturk realized it when on a mission to France over 100 years ago.


      October 20, 2016 at 8:32 pm

      • “Feminism and women’s rights are a good thing.”

        In its mildest form, perhaps. In its current manifestation, it’s an absolute disaster. It’s contrary to biology, human nature and basic common sense. Feminism (especially the version that is espoused by academics) is a radical leftist doctrine that ultimately seeks the eradication of gender identity. They also go on and on about objectification, oppression and patriarchy. It’s the same old 1960s BS.

        Lewis Medlock

        October 21, 2016 at 11:23 am

      • Was he a pick-up artist?
        The pussypower-fungus will kill any society in which it is permitted to proliferate. I’m all for using it to destroy Muslim societies, as he did, because Muslim societies belong to the Empire of Darkness.
        I recognize that there’s some room for debate over whether the fungus has merely been consuming the rotten remains of a social organism killed by the Great War or whether the Great War weakened us so much that the fungus was able to pervade our social organism and slowly kill it (we’re all but dead now, if we didn’t die a hundred years ago). I’m inclined toward the latter view.


        October 21, 2016 at 12:03 pm

      • In its rational form, obviously. No sluty behaviour should be allowed. Like that Maria Barterimo flashing her cleavage behind Trump’s back. Here she goes to a Catholic charity and dresses like a whore. I say – flog her. Ataturk was great though. His adopted daughter became an airforce pilot in 1936. Pretty amazing. I like him. Had some excellent ideas. You mates, should read up on him.

        A secular nationalist state like he had envisioned is an excellent idea. I think it’s the healthiest form of political ideology.


        October 21, 2016 at 5:05 pm

  9. Maybe it was just a fever dream, but I seem to remember the Progs spending four years whining about “selected not elected” after the Bush/Gore dust up. It was a pretty standard talking point for them. But I guess complaining about it and calling the election fraudulent and stolen doesn’t count as “contesting” it, or something.

    These people really are nuts.


    October 20, 2016 at 10:57 am

  10. Today’s Ras has Trump up by 3, essentially back to where he was before the first debate.

    The media has missed it, but there has been a quiet convergence in the polls since after the 1st debate and the pussy tape. This indicates to me that the LAT was right all along, the movement the polls were showing were illusory.

    LAT has the race essentially even but today’s YouGov poll shows Trump dramatically favored by undecided/3rd party voters, so he has more room to grow.

    Also, on the surface it appears that Trump is dramatically out performing Hillary in the early vote. The media says just the opposite but if you look at the actual numbers, Trump appears to be vastly ahead of where Romney was in every state, although perhaps things are being done differently than in 2012 and it isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

    I’m sticking with a 1 point Trump victory.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 20, 2016 at 11:13 am

    • What about the state polls, though? His electoral path to victory is an extreme long shot. I don’t say this out of blind negativity. PA and WI are simply out of reach. He is not going to win NH. When I look at his electoral map, I see many must-win states where he is currently losing.

      That said, it’s definitely encouraging to see the LA Times, IBD, and Rasmussen giving Trump an edge.


      October 20, 2016 at 11:45 am

      • It’s encouraging only because things had gotten so bad that Trump was losing or tying those extreme pro trump outliers.


        October 20, 2016 at 1:08 pm

      • …tying those extreme pro trump outliers.

        LA Times, IBD polls are NOT “outliers”.

        The outiers are the polls that were least accurate relative to the 2012 results.

        LA Times, IBD were two of the most accurate in 2012.

        I would like to see the average current polls among the top 3 pollsters from 2012.

        All the others are outliers to me.

        Doesn’t look good for Trump because in the states he needs, incl 3 of the 4 – Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Virginia – he is in trouble.

        The White women vote is the key and Trump is seen as too much of a selfish Alpha male to win over the majority of White women.

        They want a nice, domesticated Beta male. That’s not Trump.


        October 20, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      • State polls usually lag national polls. I’m predicting a Trump landslide of 40 states. The rumbling of it will start showing up in about a week. Watch the polls in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and WIsconsin in particular. Trump is getting the children of Reagan Democrats who thought Romney was some evil greedy corporate asshole who fired their friends. But Trump is one of them: he talks like a union boss. Identity is the strongest form of persuasion besides fear, and Trump has both of those in his base. They will show up on election day, even with 3 feet of snow on the ground.

        Bilbo Baggins

        October 20, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    • When the actual, established, credible aggregators were showing Trump narrowing the lead in the runup to the first debate you naysayed everything that was happening and said Clinton still had a solid lead but now that he has collapsed and largely stabilized that collapse and fivthirtyeight has him at under 14% you think he’s going to win.

      Still not as crazy as your truecon vermin extermination schtick though.


      October 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      • “Still not as crazy as your truecon vermin extermination schtick though.”

        I like his “truecon vermin extermination schtick”.


        October 20, 2016 at 11:54 pm

      • I never said that Clinton had much of a lead. I believe that the highly regarded Otis Index had Clinton + ~1.5.

        Since the first debate I have lost faith in many of the polls. Some are obviously rigged and I don’t believe that many of the non rigged ones are using correct turnout models. I think very highly of the LATs polls methodology and feel that the way IBD and Ras have converged with it speak highly of it’s credibility.

        By the day of the vote, I think LAT will have Trump at ~+3. Add in a 2 point fudge factor to correct for bias in the initial sample and that comes out to a Trump +1 victory.

        Otis the Sweaty

        October 21, 2016 at 12:11 am

      • I agree that many of the polls are “rigged” i,e. sampling, weighting, etc. We know that many of the outlets conducting the polls are firmly in Clinton’s camp not only because of their biased coverage but because they’ve said they’re willing to cheat in wikileaks emails. As if one actually needed more evidence to know the msm was biased.

        As for why they would rig polls, that should be obvious. They want to influence voters by constantly claiming Trump has no chance, everyone hates him, blah blah blah. There are actually people dumb enough to fall for it. And, by that, I not only mean dumb enough to think they’re not skewing the polls but dumb enough to be influenced by media hype, peer pressure, bandwagon effect, etc. Globalists tried to do it with well. Polls showed that Brexit was doomed when it actually won. Had it not been for the biased media coverage and bogus polls it would have won much bigger long ago. And that’s the whole point. If TPTB can influence only 3% of voters with biased coverage and polling then they can turn a loss into a win. And there’s a lot more than 3% of the public who can be influenced.

        If not for the biased coverage and sabotage from establishment scum within the GOP, Trump would probably be up by at least 15 points. As it is, it’s a horse race. I think it’s really been about a 3 to 5 point race all along. At the moment I think it’s close to margin of error though Trump probably has a narrower path to victory.


        October 21, 2016 at 10:54 am

      • I didn’t realize there were two Otis indices, a present day and an election day one.


        October 21, 2016 at 7:12 pm

      • The “Otis Index” sounds like it has something to do with elevator sales.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 21, 2016 at 7:22 pm

      • The “Otis Index” sounds like it has something to do with elevator sales.

        To me it sounds more like the number of times that drunk guy on the Andy Griffith Show ends up in jail.


        October 22, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    • The bookie has cut the odds on a Trump victory from 11-2 to 4-1 over the past two days in response to a surge in bets for the reality TV star and businessman turned politician.

      more people are betting on trump, but more money is being placed on clinton. that’s the same pattern with the brexit vote (trump = leave, clinton = remain).

      betting odds are set based on money bet, not on how many bets are placed, so that’s how people screwed up wrt brexit

  11. If Trump had said anything else it would have given Dems the green light for massive voter fraud.


    October 20, 2016 at 11:48 am

  12. Good point!


    October 20, 2016 at 12:53 pm

  13. I personally don’t think that Trump should simply concede to HRC if there was fraud committed to prevent him from winning. How could that happen? Remember, many on the left think that Trump is like Hitler, and if you could prevent Hitler from being elected Chancellor by violating the election laws, and thereby prevent World War II and the Holocaust, wouldn’t you do it?

    In that case, wouldn’t they just assassinate him? World War II and the Holocaust resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people, so by their reasoning, wouldn’t he death of one man be justified to prevent the deaths of tens of millions?


    October 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    • Suppose you’re in a crowded room and someone tosses in a grenade. You could save lots of lives by jumping on that grenade… but would you?


      October 20, 2016 at 2:43 pm

      • Depends on who is in the room, obviously.


        October 20, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      • He was talking about hypothetical assassination. So let’s suppose president, advisers, politicians, etc. Would you jump on that grenade, yakov? Because I wouldn’t. At least, not unless I thought the fate of the country and, hence, my family hung in the balance. But that’s not the case with liberals. Because liberals hate the country and don’t particularly like their families either. Lack of loyalty is part of what makes them liberals to start with.


        October 21, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    • I don’t doubt that a lot of people would rather shoot Trump than let him be president, it’s just that doing so isn’t as clean and safe as “counter hacking” voting machines which, you know, the Russians have already hacked for Trump.


      October 20, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • “… it’s just that doing so isn’t as clean and safe as “counter hacking” voting machines which, you know, the Russians have already hacked for Trump.”

        What are you talking about?

        Mike Street Station

        October 23, 2016 at 8:52 am

  14. Remember back in 2000 how many Democrats were yelling about how the Electoral College was a relic, and that the president should be elected by nationwide popular vote?

    Fast forward 16 years, and picture the following: Trump wins 48% of the popular vote, Clinton 45%. and the remaining 7% is split between Johnson and Stein. Out of 130,000,000 votes cast, that means Trump would have outdistanced Clinton by almost 4 million votes. But thanks to the Electoral College system, Clinton gets 300-350 electoral votes, and is the next president.

    Does anyone think that the Democrats and the media will not be saying “too bad losers, that’s our system.”

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    October 20, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    • That’s not what voter fraud is.


      October 20, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      • Pedantry is always helpful. Now voters must realize there is no possible way that the two could be compared.


        October 22, 2016 at 5:17 am

  15. Trump is a hero and should go on Rushmore.

    A President Trump, wall, and deportations is not enough.

    Unless there is a purge of the media, the Dems, and the GOPe, the distinct possibility of total nightmare scenario is very much on the table and is indeed probable.

    It’s just not good enough any more to have a good president who comes and goes after a few years while all the usual suspects stay in unelected power FOREVER as avowed enemies of the people.


    October 20, 2016 at 2:18 pm

  16. The Hitler analogy applies to everything the left does. Their opponents are unmitigated evil, and anything is justified in defeating them. They only respect social and legal norms when they feel their ideals are unthreatened.

    Which is also why I advocate the same attitude on the right, although that seems to be a bridge too far for most Americans.

    Jason Liu

    October 20, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    • No thats how I feel too.

      How often do you see people on the right mocking the Left for not being tolerant of opposing viewpoints? The Left has the correct attitude: evil views and the people who espouse them do not deserve respect.

      The problem is that the Left doesn’t realize that they themselves are the evil ones and we are the good guys. We need to be more like the Left and with the Alt-Right, I think you are seeing that.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 21, 2016 at 12:16 am

  17. I thought he looked a bit tired during the debate and in the rally this afternoon. Trump has labored so hard to try to protect the sovereignty of the nation, to protect it from dangerous outside forces, and to better the future of its citizens. He really is like a loving father figure. In contrast, her campaign has been effortless, with the media and GOPe doing most of the work for her. Resting comfortably at home most days, she hardly has to hold rallies or press conferences or meet everyday folks. This is, unfortunately, what her presidency would be like if elected.

    Building is hard work; destroying is easy. One candidate is for: building the wall, efficient and effective problem-solving, honesty with the people, cleaning up the corruption…;the other is for: open borders, ignoring problems, lies and coverups, quid pro quo…

    The outcome of the election, barring voter fraud, will be determined by whether the people will have enough wisdom to discern the fundamental differences between those two.


    October 20, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    • The left is always trying to destroy what the right has built.


      October 20, 2016 at 8:14 pm

  18. If he had said that he’d accept the results, the media would already be painting the brush that he lost. By not conceding, he accomplished three things:

    1) Moved the Overton Window for the general public into think the race is and will be close on election day (media is now doing this for him without realizing it).
    2) Motivate his base and independents on the fence about him to show up to the polls and vote. The Scarcity Principle is at play here: people are more afraid of loss than they are greedy for gain. If they believe something “might” be taken from them, they’ll do everything they can to keep it.
    3) Force the media to not only cover his statement, but by association all cases of voter fraud happening right now… which will do two things: mobilize poll-watchers on his side and make those who’d commit fraud on the other side a bit more hesitant.

    Bilbo Baggins

    October 20, 2016 at 7:22 pm

  19. Vox Day has a very good point about these polls.

    How is it that Johnson and Stein have such a large percentage of the vote? The libertarians, for example, in 2012 represented 1.35% of the vote. How do you have almost 5 times as many libertarians polling now?


    October 20, 2016 at 7:59 pm

  20. Despite the mainstream media meme that Trump is a big liar, Trump is actually not very comfortable with lying, so he gave an honest answer.

    Hillary, and by extension, her loyalists like to use projection to deflect attention away from her. It’s as if by accusing him of being a liar, racist, sexist, or whatever, it would fool people into thinking that she could not possibly be one of these herself. But you can be sure that she has all of these characteristics in abundance, whether they exist in him or not.


    October 21, 2016 at 12:33 am

  21. I’m frustrated that the GOP establishment is trying to sabotage Trump. And that there are people dumb enough not to realize “NeverTrump” is funded by the same GOP establishment that has been screwing them all along. The establishment pays shills to appeal to voters on an emotional level with crap about being a “true constitutional conservative” or social issues (like abortion, homos, etc) as well as flat out lying about Trump’s policies. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that a number of so-called “conservative” pundits are paid shills. Regardless, most of them don’t really care about the issues they push. They might as well be paid actors. They’re just trying to sabotage Trump so they can keep pushing their agenda i.e. outsourcing, mass immigration, etc. As long as there are naive people who vote with their feelings instead of their brains the establishment will keep doing it.

    If the GOP establishment costs Trump this election I’ll never vote for one of their hacks again. I’ll vote Democrat before I vote for another McCain. And the same goes for the trucons. I’ll vote for the Dem candidate out of spite after what the trucon cucks have pulled. If they’re going to pull this crap then why shouldn’t I? There has to be consequences.


    October 21, 2016 at 10:58 am

    • The TruCon is indeed the lowest form of human life, but they are irrelevant. The GOPe is still a strong enemy, however. They will need to be exterminated after the election.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 21, 2016 at 2:57 pm

  22. Republicans have been pushing the idea that voter fraud is a big problem in order to put more obstacles in place that have the effect of making it more difficult for poor and minorities to vote. Those obstacles have mostly been centered on voter ID laws.

    In person voter fraud is extremely rare. The idea that someone could sway a presidential election by busing in illegals to vote in other peoples names is just crazy. If you wanted to sway the election by voting in the name of dead people, it would be much easier to request absentee ballots and just mail them in. Even this done on a scale that would sway an election would be easy to detect.

    To sway a presidential election you would have to engage in vote counting fraud. Just not reporting results correctly. Even this would be very tricky to do. The swing states, which are the only ones that matter, have exit polling. If the vote counts massively differed from the exit polls, that would raise suspicion.


    October 21, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    • “Republicans have been pushing the idea that voter fraud is a big problem in order to put more obstacles in place that have the effect of making it more difficult for poor and minorities to vote.”

      And what’s wrong with that? The Democrats will use any dirty trick possible to win elections, why shouldn’t the Republicans?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 21, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    • Does anyone genuinely believe that having an ID is an unfair voting requirement?

      Rogal Dorn

      October 21, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      • It’s hard to know what Democrats believe.

        You need an ID to work at a job, ride Amtrak, and do lots of other things. It makes sense you’d need an ID to vote. Voting is too important to allow the perception that fraud is possible.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 21, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      • A lot of older, poor people do not have government issued IDs. Sixty to eighty years ago in the South poor people frequently had home births. They could not afford to go to a hospital and many hospitals in the South would not even admit African Americans for child births. They used midwifes for home births. Sometimes these births were recorded, but frequently not. Some of these people simply do not have a birth certificates.

        Women usually have the worst problems. Assuming they can get their birth certificate, it will frequently have a different name than they currently use. So they have to get copies of their marriage license, perhaps multiple marriage licenses if they have been married several times. If there name is not exactly the same on the birth certificate and marriage license, states may refuse to issue an ID.

        I remember years ago meeting a woman who had no birth certificate and was trying to find records to show she was over 65. Anyone could look at her and see she was over 65. She did not have a birth certificate because the county court house in the rural area where she was born burned down and all the birth records were destroyed. Now days the records are normally kept by both the state and county, but when she was born they were only kept at the county. She was white.

        There also are the catch 22 cases. Some states will not issue a birth certificate unless you have government issued photo ID. Some states will not issue a photo ID without your birth certificate.

        The vast majority of people have birth certificates and photo Ids, but photo IDs laws are mainly designed to prevent older, poor people from voting.


        October 21, 2016 at 10:39 pm

      • I know lots of people over the age of 65, and 100% of them have photo IDs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 22, 2016 at 12:29 am

      • Yes, because blacks are less likely to have an ID because they live in neighborhoods without grocery stores that sell healthy food, or something.


        October 21, 2016 at 11:20 pm

      • I have no problem with someone who’s not with it enough to have a photo ID nor birth certificate not being able to vote.


        October 22, 2016 at 12:40 am

      • Can someone show me where the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights state that a voter must present an ID? To the best of my knowledge, there were no IDs in the 18th century.

        The Shepherd

        October 22, 2016 at 5:49 am

      • The issue rather is where does the Constitution say that States are forbidden to take measures to ensure there isn’t voter fraud?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 22, 2016 at 10:25 am

      • “The vast majority of people have birth certificates and photo Ids, but photo IDs laws are mainly designed to prevent older, poor people from voting.”

        Ridiculous. If they are on Social Security and Medicare, which they all are, then they already have enough documentation to get an ID.

        Mike Street Station

        October 23, 2016 at 9:01 am

      • A lot of older, poor people do not have government issued IDs.

        The process for getting a recognized ID should be easier than, or the equivalent of, registering to vote.

        If people cannot vote from lack of ID, the solution is get them an ID, not abandon efforts to police the polls.


        October 23, 2016 at 9:49 am

  23. O/T – but relevant. This goes to show you that America is officially a cognitive dissonance nation, radical, and antithesis to what the White majority have wanted for this country.

    But maybe not, liberals (including its Jewish members) are practicing what they preach.

    Google’s Sergey Brin’s ex wife is now sleeping with Yankee’s Dominicano, Alex Rodriguez.

    It’s Silicon Valley intersecting with Washington Heights.

    American is officially the twilight zone!


    October 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    • Saw a Time magazine in the gym. Americans are now 37th nation in high, but they used to be number 3. The rag doesn’t tell us why, it just states it as an amazing fact if nature. I’m ready for a coup, mates.


      October 21, 2016 at 5:18 pm

      • What do you are trying to say? America has a low quality of life, which I agree. It doesn’t even rank top ten in terms of quality of life measures. Canada is one of the top ten or even top five.

        Despite what Rosenmops has been saying here with her comments about Asians in Canada taking over, prairie cities like Saskatoon (equivalent to an American Midwestern City) is laden with engineering and IT jobs. There aren’t many Chinese/Korean/Indian types found in Saskatoon. Those jobs are taken up by Whites. Our Midwestern cities are hardly a model for human/technological development.


        October 22, 2016 at 10:50 am

      • JS, stop playing, it’s clear what I’m trying to say. Trump is the last chance though.


        October 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm

      • Trump could only rewind America back to the Bush years, if he is lucky. More middle income salaries, more tax cuts, and thus more spending power for the average minions. There’s already a choke-hold of baby boomers when it comes to jobs. Many of them simply cannot retire, because they have low savings/lost money in their retirement, leaving the generations after them, who could be their children in the dust. There are simply not enough living wage jobs for all these college grads.

        Forget about illegal immigration, there are too many legal immigrants, thus creating too many workers and not enough jobs. Then you have the large black underclass in the inner cities, who are being out-competed by these immigrants. Yeah Yakov…keep your fingers crossed.

        It’s easy for Trump to say anything!


        October 22, 2016 at 10:36 pm

      • @JS

        Look, here is another simple principle for you to internalize. If Clinton’s voters were to leave the US, the country would do fine, in fact better than ever. If Trump’s voters were to leave the US, the country would collapse. This is all you need to know. Try to process this before you comment.


        October 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm

      • I would be a Trump supporter. Liberal enemies in America are not leaving anytime soon. They control all the power centers and the money rolls.


        October 23, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    • who do you think gives anne more tingles and f’s her harder and longer?

      The bigger question is what is Arod doing with her when he could have miami bombshells half his age.

      did he learn nothing from jeter?


      October 22, 2016 at 12:18 am

      • Contrary to popular belief in this neck of the woods not all men are obsessed with only dicking the hottest bimbos around. This guy is probably of middling IQ (my estimate is 115) but leans more towards the introspective side especially in old age. This naturally creates a need for more intimate relatability which can only come from similar temperament and some level of class. That and she probably doesn’t worship his celebrity but does get aroused by his masculinity. So as long as she is physically stimulating the other factors will contribute to a more pleasant day to day life experience.

        The high octane life is not for everyone and certainly even those forced to live the high octane life are not always eager to live life as if they are on a never ending cocaine bender. Having a more low energy introspective woman around with whom you can actually have a conversation with can help after a long day of being “da man”, and to anticipate the litany of misogyny to follow, yes women can be introspective in their own way, especially the more introverted they are and it’s not the same as talking to your guy friend about philosophy. Cue the low-T faggot accusations by the local Conans.

        Then again maybe it’s just Demi and Ashton all over again.


        October 22, 2016 at 1:27 am

      • He’s looking for a provider since he has kids.


        October 22, 2016 at 9:52 am

      • ‘who do you think gives anne more tingles and f’s her harder and longer?’

        I don’t know anything about Sergei Brin, but I would expect Einstein to do just fine or better. As I’ve explained a few times already, higher energy level of these outstanding people expresses itself in much higher level of their sexual drive and potency as well. They are able to do more then the rest of us. It’s biological.


        October 22, 2016 at 7:16 pm

  24. Oh my heck, you have to show an authorized ID to get a drink in a bar or buy cigarettes. How hard is it to show an ID to vote? I get the feeling that voting is the third sin. I sent in my mail-in ballot today and feel absolved of all sin. If my vote really mattered, they wouldn’t have let me vote anyway.


    October 21, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    • Lol, it’s such a scam. The Republicans never tire of losing. If the shoe was on the other foot, no ID would be found unconstitutional before you could say “muh principles”.


      October 22, 2016 at 5:29 am

  25. I would very much like to believe that the polls are biased by such a large margin that Trump is really in the lead, but I doubt it. One of the most interesting scenes in the documentary made about Romney’s run in 2012 depicted him and his family watching the election returns. He was clearly surprised that he lost, despite the fact that pretty much all of the polls were predicting it. I think his handlers convinced him that they the polls were cooked more than they actually are. One must beware of this sort of “poll dearrangement syndrome.”

    This doesn’t mean one should lay down and die. I gave trump more money today; my wife and I have now maxed out our individual contributions.


    October 21, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    • The polls in Obama Romney *were* off, they *underestimated* Obama’s margin of victory.

      The fact is that IBD (most accurate random sampling tracker of 2012), PPD (most accurate poll of 2014) and LAT (most accurate poll of 2012) all show Trump winning. Doesn’t necessarily mean Trump will win, but they shouldn’t be outright dismissed like they are being.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 22, 2016 at 3:52 am

      • Why should people pay any attention to amateur poll aggregators with no expertise and no track record and not the established ones?


        October 22, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      • Otis hasn’t said people should pay attention to him on the basis of his reputation. He’s simply following the polls closely and giving his opinion. He’s also given reasons for his opinion. Now, I take his predictions with a grain of salt as people should with all polls and predictions. But he’s at least tried to use reason to support his opinions. Ultimately, one should evaluate an argument based on reason rather than reputation anyway.


        October 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      • Why should people pay any attention to amateur poll aggregators with no expertise and no track record and not the established ones?

        This is why I think magnavox and mikeca are Hillbots. They just aren’t rational and they present the same pessimistic view of Trump.

        Otis is correct that LA Times and Investors Business Daily were excellent in 2012.

        Meanwhile the legendary Gallup poll was a disaster!!!!

        The key is to find the polls that were most accurate on 2012 and 2014 and ignore the rest.

        Then consider that Hillary is in no way generating Obama enthusiasm and that Trump is energizing previous non voters, Republicans who didn’t bother with Romney as well as actual anti Globalist/anti war leftists.

        This is hard to factor in the polls but the starting point should be the best polls from 2012-14.

        The only people who don’t want to admit that are Hillbots trying to induce defeatism among Trump voters.


        October 22, 2016 at 11:28 pm

      • Otis is correct that LA Times and Investors Business Daily were excellent in 2012…The key is to find the polls that were most accurate on 2012 and 2014 and ignore the rest.

        Go invest in all the mutual funds that did well the year before and keep doing that year after year and see what happens. The professional poll aggregators look at poll quality and adjust accordingly they just do it in a more intelligent and systematic way.

        This is why I think magnavox and mikeca are Hillbots.

        I know I’m not a Clinton supporter so that argument doesn’t convince me at all.


        October 23, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      • Go invest in all the mutual funds that did well the year before and keep doing that year after year and see what happens. The professional poll aggregators look at poll quality and adjust accordingly they just do it in a more intelligent and systematic way.

        OK. Here’s my problem. I admit I’m praying for a Trump victory.

        I know most establishment polls have Hillary up by 5-6%.

        That means three polls – LA Times, Investors Business Daily and PPD are clear outliers and maybe should be dismissed. OK.


        How is it possible that 3 different polls using totally different methodology and individuals sampled, all three of whom were the MOST accurate in 2012-14, be so wrong? Why?

        Now add to that that there are still over 4% undecided which is ridiculous. How can anybody be undecided about Hillary Rotten Clinton?

        I suspect few undecideds are for her. I also suspect many people have been taught to feel ashamed to support Trump. Can you imagine putting a Trump sign on your lawn or a bumper sticker on your car. Many people would be scared of vandalism.

        I think many undecideds are pro Trump.

        So if the top outlier polls are accurate and Trump is even or up by 1 and he then gets 3 of the 4 undecideds and the other percent goes to Johnson/Stein then Trump wins 44-45 to Clinton’s 41-42 and Johnson 8 and Stein 4. Something like that.

        I know the numbers aren’t complete but I just need to know –

        1) how these three polls could be TOTAL outliers and

        2) how the hell any undecideds could break for Clinton.

        Yes I’m engaged in wishful thinking but at the same time I think my two questions are legitimate.


        October 24, 2016 at 12:03 am

      • While I do believe the polls don’t show Trump’s true support, I also think the guy who wrote that article doesn’t understand what oversampling means.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 24, 2016 at 6:17 am

      • I havent looked into this because at this point who cares, but Lion is right- Oversampling means something in statistics. If you take a typical N=1000 random poll you may not get enough likely voter asian males to make a statistically significant inference. Lets say your campaign is targeting that group; then you’d want to Oversample them for specific sub-questions. It doesnt mean that it changes the over all top line question because you had to correct the demographic on that for the ultimate election demographics (that you project).

        Regarding the polls- first off looking at a national poll is pointless. I dont know why we even be doing that in October but you are on a wish fulfillment exercise.

        PPD- dont even know what to say about that one. A privately conducted poll with an opt-in Internet sample that is analyzed in house.

        LA Times you can read about here:

        Its basically tracking the same 3000 people, not a repeated random sampling. So clearly it is different than other polls.

        LA Times also weights in enthusiasm (as does PPD). Thats an interesting approach. And one was relevant in 2012 when Obama’s base turned out way in excess of their traditional numbers. Of course Obama spent hundreds of millions and microtargeted voters based on sophisticated big data databases and an extensive and expensive local ground infrastructure. Trump has invested in none of this, preferring to hold Nuremberg rallies with true believers buying merch.

        And part of the vulnerability of the LA Times methodology is that if you have a candidate that people even supporters dont like (Hillary) running against a candidate that they despise (Trump), then the enthusiasm metric is not going to account for it. That doesnt matter if the people intend to vote anyway.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 24, 2016 at 11:37 am

  26. Lion, please do a write-up of the Al Smith dinner. It has your favorite topics: Trump, the NY elite, wealth, and social stigmatization, all gathered up in one.

    Madman of the Comments Section

    October 22, 2016 at 2:48 am

  27. The gigantic carnival against Trump, when you consider how ridiculous are the 10 day papers a day against Trump in the Washington Post itself, where the trump supporter is fixed like a fish in the media frying oil is a sign of how tight the fight must be …. If i were a Trump supporter, i wouldn’t despair now.

    Bruno from Paris

    October 22, 2016 at 6:48 am

  28. What’s this dinner that involved Timothy Dolan as a mediator between Trump and Clinton? Only fools think any of our candidates work for the people.


    October 22, 2016 at 9:56 am

  29. In NC early voting: white vote up 3% from 2012, black vote down 4% from 2012.

    What we are seeing in early voting so far, not just in NC but in OH, IA and FLA, looks very good for Trump and more consistent with the IBD, LAT and PPD polls than with what the other polls are saying.

    I’m sticking with a 1 point Trump victory in the popular vote. I make no predictions regarding the electoral college.

    Otis the Sweaty

    October 22, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    • Yep, Trump has FL, IA, NC and OH in his column. Soon it will be clear that he has PA also, then it will be over.

      Andrew E.

      October 22, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      • Soon it will be clear that he has PA also, then it will be over.

        It’s all about PA just like it was Florida in 2000.

        I don’t see how he can win without PA. Black vote needs to go to sleep and the children of the Reagan Democrats have to wake up and save America!!


        October 22, 2016 at 11:55 pm

      • He doesn’t have to have PA. That just makes it easy. He’s at 260 electoral votes right now, actually 266 because it looks like NV is going Trump.

        Take heart. Trump will win the election comfortably.

        Andrew E.

        October 23, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    • “In NC early voting: white vote up 3% from 2012, black vote down 4% from 2012.”

      That may change once Hillary announces that Trump has a secret plan to re-enslave blacks.

      Oh, and he uses the N word.

      Mike Street Station

      October 23, 2016 at 9:08 am

  30. “Ultimately, one should evaluate an argument based on reason rather than reputation anyway.”

    Absolutely correct. Claiming an argument is valid based on reputation/credentials alone is a logical fallacy; it’s called the appeal to authority.

    Lewis Medlock

    October 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm

  31. I seem to remember all these polls saying Trump was a joke and would be lost amongst the “really strong” field of GOP candidates. All the airheads in the Dinosaur Media were going on and on about how Bush vs Clinton would be the Ali vs Frazier of politics. Then Little Jebbie burned through a 100 Million Dollar War Chest and didn’t Win a Single State. I’m pretty sure Senor Stupid of the Bush League dropped out cause his pollsters were telling him he was gonna lose Florida. That idiot shrub’s whole political career would be over if he lost the State he used to be Governor of, so he quickly ran home to Mommy.
    Nate Silver was the stat freak who called 2012, and everyone believed him when he said Trump had no chance in Hell. Well his non-Math Holistic methodology turned out badly didn’t it? He now states that Trump has only a 14% chance. I’ll say this for him, he’s consistent. Hillary should 86 this campaign soon. If she doesn’t croak to death first. She must be on serious painkillers to smile all the way through Trump’s criticisms. She’s more doped up than Johnson’s Libertarian Voters.
    2016: The Road to Aleppo. Have Johnson show you the way.

    Joshua Sinistar

    October 23, 2016 at 9:29 pm

  32. This has been going on for a few days now. It seems to hint that the Trump campaign thinks the race is close. At least that’s what it wants its supporters to believe. The media also loves the suspense of close calls, so they are more than happy to play into it.

    Creating the appearance of a close race has two effects:

    1. Possible “We don’t love Trump, but we’d prefer Trump over Hillary” voters will more likely turn-out to vote if they think the race is close.
    2. It’s a way to urge your supporters to go to the polls and absentee ballot counting rooms to watch the process in order to influence voting/counting integrity.

    I still remember the old Diebold controversy… Ragging on the voting/counting process happens every election cycle. I’m not surprised to see it again.

    professional internet personality

    October 24, 2016 at 11:13 am

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