Lion of the Blogosphere

What happened to Trump University?

Looks like the media completely forgot about Trump University.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 23, 2016 at 4:04 pm

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  1. Trump is a level 72 master manipulator and groped all those women just so that decades later they would push Trump University from the headlines!

    Magnavox

    October 23, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    • You’re not smart enough to do satire.

      destructure

      October 23, 2016 at 11:17 pm

      • Apparently he is

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      • no he isnt is he?

        john jones

        October 25, 2016 at 7:35 am

  2. 1/ Trial is after the elections.

    2/ Bill has his own related problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laureate_International_Universities

    3/ No sex involved.

    Dave

    October 23, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • Sex sells. Especially on the news.

      Some Guy

      October 23, 2016 at 10:34 pm

  3. In the modern liberal worldview, a scam is a lesser sin than SEXISM.

    Hermes

    October 23, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    • That’s right. To the American public, sexual improprieties are a bigger, more grabbing matter than fraud or corruption. Monica Lewinsky ultimately blew up harder on Bill Clinton than Whitewater did, even if what he did with Whitewater was a worse violation of his public oath. Ditto Trump: Trump University hurt him, but it didn’t hit anywhere near as hard as the Billy Bush tape.

      The reason why is that everyone has strong feelings about sex, whereas people with double digit IQs will have a hard time even grasping what corruption and white collar fraud are. Even intelligent people who have an astute understanding of how harmful corruption and fraud are usually don’t have the same visceral reaction to them as they do with sexual wrongdoings.

      (Side note: I think Hillary will probably win, but Trump has largely been able to recover from the tape imbroglio. One reason why is that the tape was released a month before Election Day, which gave Trump sufficient time to bounce back. The tape made Trump personally unpalatable to a lot of Republicans, but they got over it. I think that Al Gore’s strategy of leaking the Bush DUI just a few days before the election was smarter, because it upset his supporters and depressed turn out.)

      Sid

      October 23, 2016 at 6:35 pm

      • With lots of fraud, especially obvious cons like Trump U, it is easy to blame the suckers. Those people wanted to hand Trump their money because they were greedy and looking for an easy shortcut to wealth, or at least that is a common perception. So that story could only do limited damage.

        However, Trump seems to have forced himself on women who weren’t interested in him, a real beta move. Even Bill Clinton raped women who were at least attracted to him initially. The media is heavily invested in making Trump look like a lecherous creep and a loser, so they love these stories. The Trump U story still made Trump seem like a smooth manipulator even if it was morally wrong.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 24, 2016 at 4:31 am

      • Peter, I take it that by “forced himself on” you mean “touched”. Whether these women were “interested” in him or not, or what fraction of them were “interested”, or what fraction of women is likely to become “interested” in a man of type A, B, or C only as a result of being touched by him, and what fraction of the women that he touched without first asking permission to do so became “interested” in him as a result — these are all distinct questions. I’m not sure what you’re using the word “beta” to signify here; it’s my impression that the word is generally applied to men who look for permission slips to fill out before touching women — who, after being smiled back at seventeen out of twenty times by a woman over the course of the past six months will at last find some occasion to stammer out, “so, ah, what do YOU do?” (Maybe you’re just mocking the “media” here, though, in which case please forgive my denseness.)

        Garr

        October 24, 2016 at 9:30 am

      • “With lots of fraud, especially obvious cons like Trump U, it is easy to blame the suckers.”

        I think that the claims that Trump didn’t pay his contractors the full amount are similar. On the one hand, Trump probably is a scummy guy who probably did pay a lot of contractors half of what they had initially agreed on. On the other hand, if you’re working in construction or real estate, you really are an idiot if you don’t have billing figured out. During the debates, Trump would say that the contractors didn’t deliver on their promises. He’s probably lying, but everyone and his grandma has firsthand experience of a construction contractor underdelivering on what they had sold you on, so Trump’s rebuttal relates to our everyday experience.

        Sid

        October 24, 2016 at 9:39 am

      • Sid — a similar arrangement like Trump University, but also different, but relating to proles.

        Guess who runs most of these “profit” centers of vocational learning — those championed by Yakov, and especially those branded with “Microsoft” or “Cisco” on their doors and walls? That’s right proles. American education is a sham, especially the for profit centers that worry more about their shareholders than the students completing the programs and getting hired. The only great thing about them is that some of them peddle a form of softcore pornography. They hire attractive female admins to facilitate the application and tuition process to unsuspected beta/omega types.

        JS

        October 24, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      • There’s no evidence Trump ever “forced himself” on anyone. In fact, the evidence points to the women lying.

        destructure

        October 24, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • “Guess who runs most of these “profit” centers of vocational learning — those championed by Yakov, and especially those branded with “Microsoft” or “Cisco” on their doors and walls? That’s right proles.”

        Upper middle class people have an instinctual aversion to for-profit learning centers. No, really, even as an elementary schooler my friends and I would watch commercials for DeVry and knew something was wrong. Every single upper middle class person I’ve met wouldn’t be caught dead in one of those programs. Having nothing more than a high school diploma shows more class than having a credential from such places. You can at least claim to be an autodidact like Eric Hoffer that way.

        Sid

        October 24, 2016 at 6:32 pm

      • Sid — There are really no jobs that pay a middle income salary nowadays, with the exception of government work. IT is one of the few remaining bastion of careers that pay a decent salary, but they suck in terms of hours, the nature of the work, and just dealing with proles.

        IT to me is an art, but the preponderance of proles in this field makes it a job, because of the above reasons. And for profit centers profit from this immensely due to a lack of middle class jobs.

        JS

        October 25, 2016 at 9:36 pm

  4. It wasn’t sticking.

    IHTG

    October 23, 2016 at 4:39 pm

  5. It’s too bad, I had a good Trump university joke in my comedy set I can’t use anymore ’cause everyone forgot about it.

    Jokah Macpherson

    October 23, 2016 at 5:55 pm

  6. Considering most real colleges are ripoffs, why would anyone care that a fake college is one?

    Scarletnumber

    October 23, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    • Ivy Leagues and upper top tier schools are not. Having a diploma from these schools gives de facto privilege that a state or community school doesn’t.

      Furthermore, any schools beneath these schools are prole schools. They attract people who are middle class or below and immigrants. The faculty of these schools usually aren’t the professors with a stellar publishing record in prestigious journals.

      JS

      October 24, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      • You didn’t refute my point: MOST real colleges are ripoffs.

        ScarletNumber

        October 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm

  7. Mexican evangelicals/pentacostals are your grandkids’ only hope, because they’re willing and able to defend territory against the Muslims, who will otherwise do to the US what they’re doing to NW Europe. Yes, the Wall must be built — in order to assure that the right Mexicans enter the US to save us, the ones that the local pastors want to bring in. An unregulated flood of Mexicans would be a disaster — their kids would all be Negrotized within a generation (a couple of days ago I passed a high-school-age Mexican girl Negro-talking to her Mexican friend). It’s critical that the pastors be given almost complete power over their congregations, including the authority to have Negrotizing and otherwise gangsterizing teenagers flogged. These people will take care of the street-fighting while we keep the Machine running.

    Garr

    October 23, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    • Muslims in France are 10% of the population. Yet the media depicts an invasion of Gallica, meanwhile America has a 50%-60% non-White demographic, and yet no one sparks any fear. I gather America’s East Asians are about the same percentage points of Muslims in France.

      JS

      October 23, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      • “Muslims in France are 10% of the population.”

        It’s a lot higher than that. Euro govs lie like crazy when it comes to such statistics.

        peterike

        October 24, 2016 at 9:50 am

    • Religious community generates fighting-spirit, JS. If the religious Idea is aggressive, the fighting-spirit is directed aggressively. An aggressive religious community can only be countered at street-level by another religious community.

      Garr

      October 24, 2016 at 4:58 am

      • If you’re a conspiracy theorist, elites love Hispanics for one particular reason. They’ve become a bulwark against the black underclass and they love seeing mestizos and other immigrants render blacks as obsolete.

        Compton and other Californian towns have been racially cleansed of blacks by Hispanics. NYC’s inner cities which used to be blacker, are now mostly Hispanic. Yet, liberals are effing oblivious of this process. With the exception of Harlem, gentrification doesn’t really take place in black neighborhoods. It just doesn’t happen. White gentrifiers avoid them like the plague.

        JS

        October 24, 2016 at 11:30 am

      • And in Oakland, Ca, its black stronghold is gradually lessening by the day, as Hispanics, both illegal and legal begin to occupy the poor man’s Bay Area and move the blacks out, either by gang warfare or voluntary measures. When Hispanics move in, then the SWPL types make a cautionary move. SWPLs do not move into a completely black area.

        JS

        October 24, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • they love seeing mestizos and other immigrants render blacks as obsolete.

        Blacks are losing no demographic or political power. For every inner city neighborhood reclaimed, we are losing ten or more outlying neighborhoods from the dispersion. Plus, there is plenty dispersion of Mestizos, Muslims, and Others. The future is a few hipster neighborhoods in Northern Brazil.

        bomag

        October 25, 2016 at 6:11 am

  8. Maybe after the election Wikileaks will release hacked e-mails all about Trump scandals like the University.

    Gozo

    October 23, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    • I’d love to see a hack of the RNC emails. You gotta think Reince moved heaven and earth to stop Trump, up until his capitulation when Trump won the primaries.

      Mrs Stitch

      October 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      • It is definitely strange that we haven’t seen hacked GOP emails like we have seen so many hacked/leaked Democrat emails. Are Republicans using better security software? Do they have more face to face meetings and confine controversial comments to these meatspace encounters?

        Gozo

        October 24, 2016 at 5:43 pm

  9. Is it going HBCU?

    Vincent

    October 23, 2016 at 10:26 pm

  10. There won’t be anything new about Trump U until new depositions are released or the trial starts. Nothing new == no news.

    After the election in which Democrats would have been slaughtered had Republicans not put forth a brain dead candidate, Trump U will be a small part of the big story of the collapse of the Trump empire. Every building not owned by Chump with the Chump name on it will drop the name.

    Of course , we need more wise Latinas on the supreme court, don’t we.

    I’m an old conservative who will survive this. Pity the young who you have screwed.

    Ron S

    October 24, 2016 at 1:57 am

    • “After the election in which Democrats would have been slaughtered had Republicans not put forth a brain dead candidate”

      When are you cucks going to give up on this absurd notion? For starters, EVERYONE in the Republican field besides Trump was a guaranteed loser. And, if by some miracle one of those flunkies would have won, all you’d have is Hillary Lite for four years. Reduction in immigration? Zero. Repatriation of manufacturing? Zero. Wars in the Middle East? Going on without end.

      There is NO DIFFERENCE between the GOPe and the Dems, other than rhetoric. They serve the same masters.

      peterike

      October 24, 2016 at 9:53 am

      • I believe Kasich would have stomped crooked Hillary’s guts. But winning elections is meaningless if it doesn’t lead to getting rid of the immigrants.

        Otis the Sweaty

        October 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      • “I believe Kasich would have stomped crooked Hillary’s guts. But winning elections is meaningless if it doesn’t lead to getting rid of the immigrants.”

        Peggy Noonan wrote a great article about a Sane Donald Trump a few days ago. I think that John Kasich could have been that guy. He had the right balance of pro-social spending and pro-business policies to appeal to blue collar whites without angering the white bourgeoisie. He wasn’t charismatic, but he wasn’t painful to listen to the way Hillary is. His foreign policy was ho-hum, but he didn’t actively ruin things the way Hillary has. In fact, there’s a rumor that Trump wanted Kasich to be his VP, and leave implementing Trumpist policies to him while Trump focused on PR.

        But… Kasich went full on cuck when it came to immigration. It’s disappointing, because he had taken stances against illegal immigration in the past, and not too long ago either.

        Really, I’d rather have an open borders Democrat than an open borders Republican in charge. If it’s a Democrat, you can at least complain about it and organize against her with other rightists. In contrast, you couldn’t do much when Dubya was keeping our doors wide open, because his most vocal opponents were Democrats who not only wanted the doors open, but torn down permanently.

        Sid

        October 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

  11. Trump needs a Hail Mary at this stage.
    He should declare that if elected he will pardon Snowden and Manning and also guarantee not to try and extradite Assange.
    It won’t bring huge numbers of votes but he cause a significant number of Bernie Sanders fanboys to stay home and not vote of Hillary.

    Dr Hook

    October 24, 2016 at 4:04 am

    • trump has needed a Hail Mary for the last two months- even that is done with.

      At this point the true believers are down to pretending every poll, including Trump’s internal ones are being skewed against them.

      Lion of the Turambar

      October 24, 2016 at 9:03 am

      • You don’t think the ABC poll showing Clinton +12 is cooked? Idiot.

        destructure

        October 24, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    • Trump should call Hillary the b word and the c word. Should gain him some new supporters.

      Wt

      October 24, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      • Steve Bannon, is that you?

        SWPL2

        October 24, 2016 at 9:32 pm

  12. The media might not have wanted to hit him there, because then he might have hit the Clintons on Laureate University.

    Joey Junger

    October 24, 2016 at 8:29 am

  13. Despite the mainstream media being biased towards Clinton, certain pundits are saying that America will be experiencing serious divisiveness for a long time, regardless who wins the presidency. Yeah, that’s always great news for liberals, isn’t it?

    JS

    October 24, 2016 at 11:23 am

    • Liberals are the reason for the divisiveness. They provoke it for political gain… and because they’re hateful.

      destructure

      October 24, 2016 at 3:26 pm

  14. Your silence is deafening. Trump university was about a dozen controversies ago. Why else would you bring it up but for lack of wanting to talk about the emerging reality — Trump is going down in a crushing defeat and very likely taking the GOP with him.

    This is a realignment in the making. Trump’s months-long collapse has seriously depressed Republican likelihood of participation. People have now had plenty of time to internalize Clinton as the next president, and the fervor to block her victory is gone.

    The “soccer moms” that helped put George W. Bush in office twice are actively repulsed by Trump, some to the point of supporting Hillary.

    The NeverTrumpers were right. They warned again and again about the consequences of nominating Trump. They were powerless to stop it, but they cannot be accused of backstabbing treachery because they said this from the get go.

    Trump is the Johnny Manziel of politics. They both stood out and defied low expectations in intercollegiate play but once reaching the big leagues, utterly failed to develop a pro game or the discipline to contain their own egos and baser instincts. A total lack of discretion and seriousness. A thoroughly blown opportunity.

    People generally hate professional politicians –among whom Hillary is a consummate example– but there’s a REASON why they professionalize their trade: it matters. It pays dividends in elections, and allows candidates to weather media flare-ups. Trump, on the other hand, has a distinct penchant for throwing napalm on a otherwise minor fire, enveloping himself in it.

    Manafort tried to instill this in him, got shoved aside as a result and was replaced by an inexperienced mercenary Trump fanboy with an enemies list a mile long.

    The only question left in my mind is why would somebody as intelligent as you fail to see this happening? My only answer is that denial is a powerful force.

    Jack

    October 24, 2016 at 11:35 am

    • Well the repubs still have the House. Also, all polls showing hillary winning are rigged. Until election day at least. Then the truth will emerge.

      Wt

      October 24, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    • “The only question left in my mind is why would somebody as intelligent as you fail to see this happening?”

      This headline from today is why: “Nearly 1 in 4 students at this L.A. high school migrated from Central America — many without their parents.”

      When are you cucks going to get it? Trump was the ONLY CHOICE. America is doomed with Hillary and would be equally doomed with Yeb, Crudz, Boobio, Fakeorina, or any of the other gang of nobodies and nincompoops that were in the running. Because supporting Trump is essential. Because spineless cucks like you are going to sit back and get drowned in the coming tidal wave and it will be YOUR FAULT. Some us are going to stand up and fight the wave, even if we end up like Cuchulain battling the unstoppable sea.

      Cuchulain stirred,
      Stared on the horses of the sea, and heard
      The cars of battle and his own name cried;
      And fought with the invulnerable tide.

      peterike

      October 24, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      • You can be serious about stopping illegal immigration and still think Trump is a terrible candidate and even worse messenger for reform. That’s what you don’t get about politics– he wins YOU over with “they’re rapists,” but he can’t repackage his rhetoric to win anybody else. You never broaden the field when you only preach to the choir.

        You can go on with your heroic martyr mythos, but it’s just sad. Trump did what no person has done before: made Hillary Clinton electable.

        Jack

        October 24, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      • But this is the problem, Jack. You’re not serious because you actively undermined a candidate that wanted to do something about it. Repackage? Repackage what? What magical rhetoric do you think Trump could’ve resorted to that would not get the usual “racist” response? None, really. In fact, you would probably be complaining about that racist rhetoric to begin with.

        No, the great realignment is upon us. Removing all of these fake Republicans and subjecting them to the tender mercies of a Democrat one-party state will be a nice lesson.

        map

        October 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm

      • This whole country stinks…with the exception of its natural scenery and the wildlife outside of our city centers and their outlying areas where human refuse are found that often intersect with animals.

        JS

        October 24, 2016 at 9:17 pm

      • Jack, with all due respect, it’s cucks like yourself that have led to the current situation of demographic displacement.

        Quite frankly we don’t give a shit anymore. We will go down fighting fiercely and not go queitly into the night.

        If soccer moms are the reason we lose this election then so be it. They and their poo pooing can go loudly into the night as they and their daughters enjoy a weekly raping from the newest batch of Somali refugees we bring over under Chelsea Rodham Kain Herbert Walker Clinton the third.

        If Trump does a hail marry it should be screaming about rapugees. This should be front and fucking center. He should run that picture of the bloodied Swedish girl from a few years back on repeat until every land whale soccer mom in the fruited plane knows exactly what’s coming for her. That’d also redirect the bullshit rape discussion about Trump. It’d be great if Trumps last breaths on the political battlefield permanently btfo’ the bullshit false accusation rape culture, just like he’s made a shitlord out of half this country.

        That being said.. The polls are cooked. The real question is will the election be stolen by the George Soros financed voting machines.

        OldTimer

        October 24, 2016 at 11:27 pm

      • As others have noted, we’ve tried the conciliation route, and what did it get us? We’ve got GW Bush floating around, a two term ex-Presidente with no political power (while a sickly Bill Clinton is calling shots); McCain tried your route, and he ended up telling us to vote for Obomo; Romney hit all the marks that a Rebub is told to do, and he was “Trumped” by his private comment about the 47% and having “binders full of women”. Wake up. This is Battered Woman syndrome; we get kicked in the head in these presidential elections, and a bunch of us go around saying it is our fault for burning the dinner.

        bomag

        October 25, 2016 at 6:37 am

    • Since these polls are meant to influence rather than inform, they will be treated like the rest of the propaganda being thrown at the electorate. That is to say some will be swayed, but most will be even more energized to show TPTB that America’s “Brexit moment” is upon us.

      Oversampling, weighting, and applying the enthusiasm factor of 2008/2012 to dems is only putting lipstick on the pig of already completely bogus data–Who stays in the phone to answer pollsters these days? If you get a 10% response rate, you’re lucky. Garbage in/Garbage out.

      But please, continue to wring your hands.

      JohnnySixpack

      October 24, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    • You think Cruz, Rubio, or Jeb! would have fared any better? I don’t.

      Hockamaw

      October 24, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      • Faired better, yes, but still probably have lost, as well they should. But, likely not in the spectacular burn-it-all-down fashion Trump has.

        Jack

        October 24, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      • Of course they would.

        The polls (the ones you claim are bias towards her) show that people hate Hillary. She has the highest negatives of anyone who has gotten to this point.

        The only person viewed more negatively is Trump.

        Any other candidate would have done better. Pence would win in a landslide if Trump dropped out. But he isnt going to do that… because he hates you.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      • If Rubio or Jeb! had won, the FBI may very well have indicted Hillary. Think about it. The FBI was furious with Hillary over how badly she handled classified information, but the Deep State really does think that Trump is either a Russian agent or will go easy on them. Rubio and Jeb! despised Putin more than Al-Qaeda, and they’d be gleeful about blowing Assad to smithereens, to hell with the consequences.

        Sid

        October 24, 2016 at 5:22 pm

      • That’s ridiculous. Jeb Bush would’ve lost in a landslide to Hillary Clinton. I mean, on what platform would Bush even run?

        Cruz and Rubio would never have even been in the running if Trump did not clear away the field for them.

        The level of delusion here is incredible.

        map

        October 24, 2016 at 5:48 pm

      • Any other candidate would have done better. Pence would win in a landslide if Trump dropped out. But he isnt going to do that… because he hates you.

        Pence – an anti abortion extremist, religious nut, anti evolution, pro open borders, pro nafta, pro TPP, pro demonization of Russia, pro military interventions, pro amnesty!!!

        He would only win among you delusional White TruCons.

        Plus, what good is that type of guy winning for those of us who like Trump’s message but think he’s an amateur?

        Trump’s team picked him to pander to you guys.

        But in policy he’s opposed to EVERYTHING Trump represents.

        Rifleman

        October 24, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      • …the FBI may very well have indicted Hillary.

        The FBI doesn’t indict anybody.

        They investigate and present their findings to the us attorney/special prosecutor/AG etc.

        Rifleman

        October 24, 2016 at 11:39 pm

      • Oh noz! Not “pro demonization of Russia”- well that would have cost him 12 votes.

        It would be nice to have run a candidate who would have won all three of his debates, unlike Trump who turned them each into a debacle.

        “Plus, what good is that type of guy winning for those of us who like Trump’s message but think he’s an amateur?”

        Ummmmm the point would be winning? What happened to SCOTUS that you guys told us was the be all and end all? Now you forgot about it.

        Frankly you alleged Trump supporters are so ridiculous that you are indistinguishable from Hill-bots.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 25, 2016 at 8:57 am

    • If you NeverTrumpers don’t see that Trump is your only choice, then you deserve everything that is coming to you with a Hillary win. The permanent destruction of the Supreme Court, valuable rights, and the looming war with Russia are all on your heads because you failed to negate all of the Hillary votes by not voting for Trump.

      map

      October 24, 2016 at 5:31 pm

      • In fairness, they really don’t care about that stuff. They care about “muh principals”. They don’t even (to their credit) care about abortion.

        Otis the Sweaty

        October 25, 2016 at 5:58 am

  15. Lion,
    You have to see this video. This is from the 2016 Social Contract series and includes videos from Ann Coulter and John Miano (co-wrote book on H1B abuses with Michelle Malkin).

    This presentation is from Sara Blackwell, who is a labor and employment lawyer and she discusses the ultimate goal of corporations is just to off-shore all of the American jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuljT1G78g

    As I keep saying, Trumpism will only become politically acceptable to middle class suburbanites once this goes mainstream and all jobs are susceptible to outsourcing. That will happen within 5 years.

    Enjoy!

    JerseyGuy

    October 24, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    • Pretty much all jobs outside of government and some service sector jobs can be out sourced already.

      This is the way capitalism works. Companies compete to make the best product for the price. In a global world countries where wages are low will usually be able to do labor intensive work much more cheaply. Companies that cannot compete go out of business. If workers were only paid $1-2 hour to make cars, there would still be a lot more jobs in Michigan where I grew up.

      This is what unregulated capitalism is about. Companies move their manufacturing jobs to low wage regions of the world or they get driven out of business. This started happening long before any of the trade deals like NAFTA. The trade deals made it easier, but we have a lot of out sourcing to China and India which are not part of any of these trade deals yet. TPP does not cover China or India.

      You can raise trade barriers to try to protect jobs. That will cause other countries to raise trade barriers against US goods. It may save some US jobs, but it will cost some US jobs in companies that rely on export sales. Goods will be more expensive because everything imported will cost more. Wages may or may not go up.

      It is hard to tell, but most economists thing raising trade barriers will actually make things worse.

      In the 1950s and 60s manufacturing jobs paid middle class wages because unions had been able to push US wages up much higher than the rest of the world. Most of the rest of the worlds factories had been destroyed in WW II while the US was left untouched. US manufactures could afford those wages because they were not competing globally. In the early 1960s Japanese cars started to appear in US markets. By the 1980s they were major car brands in the USA. All that happened without trade deals.

      There is no magic fix to turn back the clock and bring back high paying manufacturing jobs on the scale of the 1950s and 1960s. Trump’s promise to do that are just as empty as the get rich quick promises of Trump University.

      mikeca

      October 24, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      • There is no legitimate field of economics. All of economics for the last 50 years has been a tool pushed by the deep state to legitimize the managerial elite and to promote Marxism through crypto capitalist policies.

        Most economists love the welfare state and they love central planning. The entire field is redundant and just merges with statistics if free markets are allowed to flourish.

        Economists have a vested interest in hyper totalitarian Marxism. Their bread and butter depends on it. They should hang right after the political class.

        OldTimer

        October 24, 2016 at 11:35 pm

      • mikeca,

        Once you raise the trade barriers and are no longer “competing globally” (meaning allowing others to import while your exports are taxed) than you can duplicate those 50’s-60’s conditions. Global competition is simply a government-orchestrated free-ride on behalf of foreign competitors. Getting rid of this subsidy will be to the good.

        You need to move away from this notion that goods will get more expensive. They won’t. Prices are already at their highest possible level without affecting revenue. Tariffs and other barriers will be borne by the companies themselves and what little is exported has little value anyway.

        Think of it this way: if you shop at Walmart, do you think you are getting a discount? No, you’re not. Walmart will eat the cost of any increase in their supply chain.

        map

        October 25, 2016 at 1:55 am

      • Most of the rest of the worlds factories had been destroyed in WW II while the US was left untouched.

        Is this even true? WWII greatly increased industrial output overall and facilitated trade. And did it take thirty years to build new factories? This seems more like a “just so” story.

        bomag

        October 25, 2016 at 7:19 am

      • Yikes! Somehow Mikeca has quit his cut and paste from Media Matter long enough to post something basically correct. Although I cant imagine this is Hillary’s authorized spin since it is contrary to the received Democrat orthodoxy.

        “All of economics for the last 50 years has been a tool pushed by the deep state to legitimize the managerial elite and to promote Marxism through crypto capitalist policies.”

        Good thing it is 200 years old doctrine of comparative advantage from Adam Smith and David Ricardo. You can easily verify the math behind it for yourself. Its not that no one group is ever disadvantaged by trade but on balance trade always helps both sides.

        “Is this even true? WWII greatly increased industrial output overall and facilitated trade. And did it take thirty years to build new factories? This seems more like a “just so” story.”

        Yes it is- pick up a book. For the majority of the developed world capacity was devastated by WWII. The US had built a huge industrial base which was untouched and could be converted of civilian production after a retooling recession. The UK had enormous war debts and and empire that was crumbling apart to deal with. The US had a infrastructure, a trained worked force and were confident and optimistic coming out of WWII. And HUAC was effectively containing the 5th columnists who are now running amok.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 25, 2016 at 9:16 am

      • Yes it is- pick up a book. For the majority of the developed world capacity was devastated by WWII. The US had built a huge industrial base which was untouched and could be converted of civilian production after a retooling recession. The UK had enormous war debts and and empire that was crumbling apart to deal with. The US had a infrastructure, a trained worked force and were confident and optimistic coming out of WWII.

        This is the common refrain, but is that really how it works? It seems to be saying that the US became wealthy when the rest of the world destroyed itself. Or is it that the one with the factories has the wealth? In that case, maybe Trump is right and we can become wealthier by manufacturing our own stuff. If the answer is a huge industrial base, untouched and devoted to civilian production, along with infrastructure, a trained, confident and optimistic work force, then it all seems within reach.

        bomag

        October 25, 2016 at 11:30 pm

  16. It feels like we’re in the eye of the storm right now, with everyone slowly realizing that Hillary’s lead isn’t just a matter of bad data and spin…now we’re just kinda holding our breath for the next two weeks.

    As a younger-middle-aged white guy who’s way too conservative for most of his friends, I feel like we’re waiting for a bomb that we all know is about to detonate. Trump’s trouncing will be presented by some as a major refutation of contemporary American conservatism. We all know that many GOP careers will effectively end on Nov. 9th…basically anyone who’s stuck by Trump for any meaningful period of time or with any amount of vehemence. To give one obvious example Giuliani is obviously eternally fucked. Support for Trump will be held like a boot against the throat of anyone who can be shown to have expressed it.

    Seriously, guys…this looks incredibly bad. I’m totally over conservative spin for this cycle…I don’t see a light at the end of this tunnel.

    Forget wikileaks. This election is way bigger than that. It has actually outgrown wikileaks.

    Lion, you should do a post on the future of the GOP.

    Klambake

    October 24, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    • The future of the GOP is unclear.

      Maybe it can’t survive as a coalition of anti-abortion Christians and rich people who want lower taxes. Or maybe it can. Or maybe Trump has shown the prole whites that there’s another way and that they have the power to change the party.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 24, 2016 at 11:13 pm

      • I’m quite surprised that you or anyone else on this blog have failed to mention one thing about Trump’s success which might be the only good thing about him: Raising his children not to be proles. It could be a great selling point for him if he was astute enough to tell it to his constituents. “I was smart enough to raise my children with class”.

        JS

        October 24, 2016 at 11:38 pm

      • Act like a fucking man and stop despairing my brother. This is not how a soldier of the right behaves. Cast your vote and hope for the best. Know that it doesn’t end with Trump. His appearance on the stage and everything he did was a miracle brought forth by G-D.

        The only concern/maybe upside is whether Hillary will go full Walter White after the election. You know… The fifth season after Gus Fring is defeated. I fear for Trump should that come about, but I suppose he can flee to Russia where he can seek asylum.

        The GOP has no future though. Their end came a long time ago when they placed their bets on docile natural conservatives and betrayed their brothers to the big corporate interests. They sleep in a bed of their own choosing, but the gallows beckons.

        OldTimer

        October 24, 2016 at 11:41 pm

      • “Maybe it can’t survive as a coalition of anti-abortion Christians and rich people who want lower taxes. Or maybe it can. Or maybe Trump has shown the prole whites that there’s another way and that they have the power to change the party.”

        I think it’s becoming clear to many of us that the Christian/rich people coalition is no longer sustainable. Trump provides a very compelling example of another way to go about things, of course, but it’s hard to imagine another candidate offering the same opportunity without also presenting a Trump-style catch-22…in other words, the traits that allowed him to pull this off are the same ones that kept him from winning. I’m trying to imagine someone who could be really compelling WITHOUT completely pulling the rug out from under themselves, but I have no idea what such a candidate would look like, from a conservative POV.

        Whether we like it or not, the political climate in the U.S. is now such that it’s quite difficult to present conservative ideals in a way that is both compelling and socially acceptable. I believe it can still be done, but it’s damn hard and requires one to walk a hell of a tightrope. I’m not sure it can be accomplished via prolonged political campaigns at this point…maybe if one involved a REALLY charismatic Latino figure who was squeaky-clean/wikileaks-proof, obviously intelligent, and who had a demonstrably big “heart” but was otherwise willing to be frank with the populace about policy/social problems…but it might still be accomplished by something “new media”, like a really unique and brilliant Youtube video or Reddit post that catches people off guard and blows up such that it is heard over the partisan fray…this is the sort of thing that millennials and most gen-xers really connect with at this point.

        Your comparing Trump to Hitler, from a progressive POV, is very apt and one of my biggest worries right now is that Trump has ruined our ability to speak about certain things the way that Hitler ruined our ability to speak about stuff like eugenics. Hitler may have been right in that the condition of our gene pool is important and its improvement should probably be encouraged, but in the long run his little project TOTALLY robbed anyone for the next century or so of the ability to say or do anything that even hints at “eugenic” concepts. In other words, he fucked up royally. Obviously he was kind of insane, definitely NOT THE RIGHT GUY for the job the way Trump wasn’t the right guy for his little project…like, if he would’ve been a nicer guy and hadn’t literally tried to commit genocide, maybe establishing legislation toward the improved health of our gene pool would still be a feasible thing. Now I’m just sitting here thinking…fuck…what are we not gonna be able to talk about now because Trump?

        As long as I’m babbling here I’m gonna throw out one more pitch for weed…I mentioned it in another comment but it kinda got buried…over the next few years, weed is going to become THE most important political issue in the U.S., and it will likely remain so until recreational is fully legalized on a federal level. If you think otherwise, you must not be paying very close attention. The dems have weed set up to progress very slowly…the state-by-state stuff is ultimately effective of course, but when it comes to states like NY where the public can’t just decide to vote on it and have no option but to appeal to their governor and congressmen, dems have a golden opportunity to make the process of legalization go slow as hell. Weed is NOT a truly important issue in any general sense, not like immigration or the federal budget at least…this is probably the best opportunity that conservatives have had to leapfrog dems on one of these stupid, meaningless social issues in decades (that dems dangle like a carrot in front of their base for as long as possible, purposefully holding off “victory”) and I sincerely feel that unless they do it…unless they try to snatch weed from the hands of dems, they’re gonna get clobbered with it for like, a decade at least. Again: weed is gonna be VERY important in a very short period of time…like a couple of weeks. This should strike great fear in the heart of the American conservative.

        Klambake

        October 25, 2016 at 8:45 am

  17. O/T – but related:

    Trump Kids Not Welcome in 2017 NYC Mayor Race: Poll

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Trump-Kids-Not-Welcome-in-2017-NYC-Mayor-Race-Poll-396040901.html

    According to a poll, most New Yorkers do not want Donald Trump Jr. to run for mayor. I’m willing to bet it’s the NAMs who make up this majority. I’m sure many Manhattanite bobos and SWPL/trust fund types weren’t conducted in this research. They just don’t care that much, since most of Manhattan is gentrified, and SWPL Brooklyn is even more of a bubble of fun fest.

    JS

    October 24, 2016 at 11:55 pm

  18. As of this morning, Hillary leads Trump in the famously accurate IBD poll.

    SWPL2

    October 25, 2016 at 8:30 am

    • She is leading in Ras, IBD and LAT. Could be noise but we will have to wait and see.

      Early voting for Trump in FLA and OH look great. Seems unlikely that Trump could win Florida and Ohio and yet lose the national popular vote by any significant margin.

      Otis the Sweaty

      October 25, 2016 at 10:03 am

  19. An interesting query of LOTB readers would be which Trump oppo bothers you the most?
    For me, it’s stiffing contractors – the makers who should be his natural base.

    Some commenters idealize the notion of “start your own business, be your OWN boss…!” but the reality is often deadbeats like Trump, or the Catch-22 of landing a “big fish” who comes to represent so much of your revenue that he is practically the same as a traditional boss.

    Fiddlesticks

    October 25, 2016 at 10:22 am


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