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Evidence of the dangerous worldwide Islamic reformation

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Interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about how hard-line Islam is rising in Indonesia which has traditionally been considered a moderate Islamic nation.

The biggest street protest in years shook this sprawling capital on Friday in a stark display of the more conservative, militant strain of Islam taking hold in the world’s largest Muslim country.

Police said an estimated 100,000 people turned out for a rally called by hard-line Muslim groups against the capital’s Christian governor, whom they accuse of having committed blasphemy.

. . .

“Religiosity is rising, especially among the middle class,” said Yon Machmudi, an Islamic politics expert at the University of Indonesia. “A sense of identification is increasing.’’

. . .

The Southeast Asian nation—some 18,000 islands straddling the Pacific and Indian oceans—has a long tradition of moderate Islam in a culture influenced earlier by Hinduism and Buddhism.

But the tenor has changed in recent years. Head scarves for women, once rare, are now widely worn and Islamic schools are expanding.

Last December, I blogged about these changes in Islam and explained how Islam is undergoing a reformation much like the Protestant Reformation, and just as the printing press was the key technology which unlocked the Protestant Reformation, the key technology this time is the Internet. The true meaning of the Koran and the Hadith is spreading, and unfortunately, the true meaning (based on an unbiased literal meaning of the texts) is very similar to what ISIS believes.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

Posted in International, Religion

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  1. As long as they do it in their own country, I don’t see what the problem is. Such a display of religiosity will shield them from being infected by western liberal ideals. It might even scare a few western liberals.

    I am irreligious in the Chinese sense, but I would much rather see a Christian equivalent of this marching down the streets of America than social justice losers protesting the latest non-oppression.

    Jason Liu

    November 4, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    • They don’t just do it in their own country, and can’t just do it in their own country; it’s a conquering religion. More and more hijabs and even birkas in Brooklyn. More and more and more, at an accelerating rate. More and more knit skull-caps on bearded Blacks. (The PR/Dominicans are growing beards too, which is a weird side-effect.)

      Garr

      November 4, 2016 at 2:24 pm

      • That is more of a problem with immigration policy and “open societies”.

        Jason Liu

        November 5, 2016 at 1:34 am

      • @Garr,

        They do it in our countries because we allow them. The fault, dear Brutus…. Jason’s right. They can do what they want in their countries and for the most part, the jihad stuff about bringing “The Faith” to the kuffar is bullshit. This is our fault.

        @Lion,

        Very perceptive observation that “Islamic Reformation” means more violence. Asshole-idiot Thomas Friedman keeps babbling about “Islamic Reformation,” as if that meant creating pacifist gay loving mainline Protestant-Muslims. No. the original protestants after the Reformation were fundamentalist loons. That’s exactly what would happen if and Islamic Reformation occurred.

        But really all of this is OUR fault. We go into their countries and fuck them up. “We came, we saw, he died.” This is their fault?

        gothamette

        November 5, 2016 at 10:53 am

    • Well it can be a pretty serious problem for non-Islamic minorities in the area if it goes to extremes. However it is obvious that the Islamic world is going through a profound transformation which does not bode well for peaceful relations between Moslems and non-Moslems. Incidentally while the Islamic world has a lot of internal potential for instability all on it’s own the deliberate destabilization of it which has been the foreign policy of the US is very dangerous. We are like a kid playing with gun-powder or firecrackers. We don’t have any understanding of what we are doing.

      Removing Mubarak or what’s-his-name from power in Egypt and Libya has made these countries more unstable and dangerous than before. Assad is no doubt a mean son-of-a-bitch but if he falls there will be a horrific bloodbath in Syria and Lebanon will be flooded with yet more refugees.

      Jim

      November 4, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    • Exactly, us reactionaries need to learn that Islam is our friend in the fight against Globalism. The world needs more Islamic values, not less.

      Otis the Sweaty

      November 4, 2016 at 4:02 pm

      • Yes, like hand amputation and execution for a specific demographic that commits the most crime in America.

        One thing for Islamophobes to understand about Islamic civilization — they understood proles were troublesome, and had to be kept in line. Basically, the Muslim elites knew any riff-raff in society were not capable of rational thought, and Islamic law is what kepts them from brewing.

        JS

        November 4, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      • yeah, i never understood the hostility that the so called dark enlightenment alt-right has towards islam. i mean, i recognise that it is not desirable for muslims en masse to be living in our countries, but they don’t stop at that, they oppose islam and criticise it on *liberal grounds*, despite declaring simultaneously their opposition to liberalism and the desire to roll back the sociological clock. it makes no sense. i don’t want muslims living en masse in our countries at all but we can find much common ground with the forces of, islam, even radical islam, which oppose liberalism, equality and globalism. islam is only a problem if we allow it to be by bringing large numbers of muslims into our countries. acting like somehow isis is going to take over europe through military force is cartoonishly laughable.

        james n.s.w

        November 4, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      • Islam with nuclear bombs can be a problem for us, even if they are in their own countries.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 4, 2016 at 11:21 pm

      • Islam with nuclear bombs can be a problem for us, even if they are in their own countries.

        Muslim nuclear weapons can be kept at bay with periodic airstrikes.

        There’s no reason why they can’t be denied nuclear weapons while simultaneously forbidding Muslim immigration, maintaining decent foreign relations with bribeable dictators, and without resorting to nation building.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 5, 2016 at 11:09 am

    • As long as they do it in their own country

      Except Muslims consider most of Europe too as their own country. Fundamentalist Muslims have a sacred duty to take back Europe from the Crusaders. And the rest of the world too once they bag Europe.

      Mark Caplan

      November 4, 2016 at 4:21 pm

      • Because it IS their own country. The French and the British sucked huge numbers of them into their country for cheap labor. When you are BORN someone, it is YOUR country.

        I use allcaps to get thru to profoundly deaf people.

        gothamette

        November 5, 2016 at 10:58 am

  2. This has everything to do with controlling women.

    As patriarchal Eastern societies realize what modernity does to women they don’t like the freedom it provides to them and Islamicize as a result. Feminism is doomed.

    True feminists should have supported the conservative West instead of tearing it apart or watering it down with 3rd world immigration.

    Camlost

    November 4, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    • Feminism is Communism; Communism is Feminism. They are one and the same.

      Two in the Bush

      November 4, 2016 at 5:04 pm

  3. This is a very interesting theory. I think it is probably true.

    Two in the Bush

    November 4, 2016 at 2:02 pm

  4. My impression is Iranians (the people, not the government) are the only Muslims that want to become more Western/secular. The rest want to become more Islamic and I have tremendous animosity against them because of this.

    Jay Fink

    November 4, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    • Very much so.
      Because since 1979 they have to live in an Islamic State run by radical muslim fundamentalists.

      Barton Parker

      November 4, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    • Turkey is more secular than Iran.

      And no one talks about Albanian and other Balkan Muslims — they’re White.

      JS

      November 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    • And Jay, Moroccan women are generally more attractive than any Iranian women you will come across. What does this tell you?

      JS

      November 4, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      • Iranian women are prettier than Moroccan women. Don’t know what you are on about.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 4, 2016 at 9:46 pm

      • Urban women in Morocco tend to be middle to upper class and don’t wear any covering. The poorer women tend to live in the outlying suburbs similar to that of Europe. Moroccans also hate headscarves and as a whole, the country’s narrative comes across as a rowdy, party town. North Africans in general are quite secular. The same cannot be said of Iran, where women are required to wear headgear in public, and the overall general consensus believes women should cover their heads, which is unlike that of Morocco.

        In regards to women, I find Moroccan women to be more attractive, because they are inherently more Caucasoid (or Berber) in appearance than Iranians. Most Iranians look like dark skinned Kurds (which many of them are) and Hindus, also mixed with Central Asians, where some of them have an epicanthic fold in their eyes.

        JS

        November 5, 2016 at 12:00 am

      • can confirm iranian women are gorgeous. i have an iranian-australian friend and she is beautiful.

        james n.s.w

        November 5, 2016 at 12:02 am

      • Iranian women that are beautiful are mostly mixed, yes, as in Iranian-White European (where the father is usually Iranian).

        JS

        November 5, 2016 at 11:10 am

      • the girl i’m referring to in question actually used to read lions old blog. and yeah she is mixed mediterranean european iranian, so you might have a point.

        james n.s.w

        November 5, 2016 at 9:51 pm

      • Iranian women are never really all that attractive, unless you’re talking about the elite upper crust Iranians who tend to be lighter skin, where some of them could pass as West Asian or Southern European. But they are rare. Most Iranians are mongrels, more so than the Levantine Arabs and Anatolian Turks. North Africans are a mixed bag too, but to me, their berber women are indeed finer looking. You can find them in Montréal.

        JS

        November 5, 2016 at 10:21 pm

      • Ivanka Trump could pass as a Moroccan.

        JS

        November 5, 2016 at 10:22 pm

  5. The true meaning of the Koran and the Hadith is spreading, and unfortunately, the true meaning (based an unbiased literal meaning of the texts) is very similar to what ISIS believes.

    Yes and here it is:

    http://www.clarionproject.org/news/breaking-cross-latest-isis-magazine-aimed-christians

    Here is the pdf file of the ISIS pamphlet. These guys have some communication skills.

    Read the latest issue of the Islamic State’s propaganda magazine Dabiq: Breaking the Cross.

    Rifleman

    November 4, 2016 at 4:21 pm

  6. Even the Christian reformation led to religious fanaticism as people started reading Bible and took it literally.

    Christian reformation analogy has always been stupid. What Islamic nations need is modernity. There are better things to do in life then obsess over ancient texts.

    Jimi

    November 4, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    • Why would they want modernity, where they would be at the bottom, instead of a worldwide caliphate, where they will be at the top?

      Can they even do modernity?

      map

      November 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm

  7. Very much so.
    Because since 1979 they have to live in an Islamic State run by radical muslim fundamentalists.

    Barton Parker

    November 4, 2016 at 5:13 pm

  8. As an Australian, this prospect is terrifying. Indonesia is right on my doostep.

    chris

    November 4, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • You’re blessed with oceans to protect you. Your only danger is stupid politicians who invite these people into your country.

      Jimi

      November 4, 2016 at 7:49 pm

      • 250 million population vs 25 million is still quite the swarm, even with oceans.

        chris

        November 5, 2016 at 1:05 pm

  9. There is legit panic on NeoGaf now. It isn’t everybody but it is several of them. This is a huge change from just a day ago when there wasn’t even really any substantial concern, let alone panic.

    On RedState they remain confident that Trump will lose by 3 or 4 points.

    Dems are sort of catching up in FL voting. My guess is that by tomorrow they will have passed the GOP in ballots submitted, but that will still put them ~75,000 behind what they were in 2012.

    NV early voting was a disaster and CO has also been bad. Don’t see us getting either of those states unless non affiliated voters break for Trump at 8 or more points (keep in mind that non affiliated does not mean “independent”).

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 4, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    • There is legit panic on NeoGaf now. It isn’t everybody but it is several of them.

      “Several of them” are panicking because they punched the numbers into Excel and figured out that the proportion of the electorate which is black is more important than absolute number of black voters. Those foolish children should have been reading LOTB.

      NV early voting was a disaster and CO has also been bad.

      Nevada’s early voting and polling results have diverged into opposite directions. It will be interesting which turned out to be more important.

      And what is wrong with CO’s early voting compared to 2012?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 4, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      • R’s were beating D’s in early voting by over 3% at this time in 2012, now they are about tied. Forget about CO.

        As bad as NV is, it is still clearly better than 2012, it just isn’t better enough considering how big Obama won the state.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 5, 2016 at 12:51 am

      • R’s were beating D’s in early voting by over 3% at this time in 2012, now they are about tied. Forget about CO.

        As bad as NV is, it is still clearly better than 2012, it just isn’t better enough considering how big Obama won the state.

        In both states the difference can be surmounted with strong results among election day voters.

        Know anything about Michigan’s early votes?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 5, 2016 at 11:05 am

  10. And here is where simple nationalism breaks out to benefit the world: Muslims can be as Muslim as they want within their own countries. Non-Muslim countries defend themselves with force of arms when necessary.

    Good fences make good neighbors. Otherwise, we are never going to have peace if we insist on Muslims either ceasing to be Muslims in their own countries, or fanning them out over the world.

    map

    November 4, 2016 at 11:18 pm

  11. JS-‘One thing for Islamophobes to understand about Islamic civilization’

    I might disagree with much of what you write but I’ve always been happy enough to read what you have to say, but please don’t introduce the wretched left-wing habit of calling everyone you disagree with a ‘phobe’. Blogs like this are a breath of fresh air from the stagnant and putrid aroma of the mainstream and social media in large part because they are free of this kind of lazy smearing and ad hominem.

    I live in a town only 40 miles away from one of the centres of the Muslim grooming scandals in England. New cases are in the press every week. These are not Hindu or Zoroastrian underage grooming scandals. Nor are they confined to one specific demographic or the Muslim population. Whilst the causes for this are complex, they most certainly do have a connection to Islam, to the fact that it is poltical, to the fact that it is universal, and even to the fact that the left have chosen to adopt it and use it’s power against us. The fears of folk like me are not ‘irrational’ and your unjusfified dismissiveness, based on from what I can tell is very little Islamic scholarship on your part and a great deal of your usual ‘the enemy of white proles is my friend’ line of thinking ought to have no place here.

    prolier than thou

    November 5, 2016 at 10:04 am

    • Many reactionary White proles are losers, period!

      Right-Wing American White proles have done absolutely nothing for decades, while their elite brethren were in the process of destroying their nation. And I mean nothing, in terms of making a point to intimidate their enemies. Voting for Donald Trump will not save the day.

      Introducing a form Sharia in America would inhibit miscreants significantly and lessen the police state, which requires a lot of our tax dollars. We have so many NAMs wasting space in our prisons, where most of them should be executed.

      JS

      November 5, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • JS, have you read the Houllebecq novel ‘Submission’? It is basically making the same kind of argument for the Islamification of Europe. One character writes in defence of Islam ‘Although an authentic Muslim society would have to abolish actual destitution…it should also maintain a wide gap between the masses, who would live in self-respecting poverty, and a tiny minority of individuals so fantastically rich that they could throw away vast sums, thus assuring the survival of luxury and the arts.’

        In the novel it is the remnants of the far right that are drawn first to convert to Islam because of these aristocratic, anti-feminist and reactionary tendencies. I can see the logic in this, although of necessity it would cut Europeans off from their past. The funny thing about the Left is that I think they would be willing to accept the return of such reactionary ‘vices’ if it resulted in a totally deracinated Euopean man.

        It’s funny that you laud Islam for acting as a system for grinding down the ‘proles’ (and I don’t accept that this Western, Industrial term is apt for the poor of Muslim societies) yet you seem to resent the proles in the West for not asserting their own interests. So what is it that you actually want the proles to do–live a life of happy God-ordained subservience or overthrow the establishment?

        prolier than thou

        November 5, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    • Saudi Arabia and United States compared: Crime stats

      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Saudi-Arabia/United-States/Crime

      Violent crime rate in the United States is almost 50 times more than that of Saudi Arabia.

      JS

      November 5, 2016 at 11:33 am

    • Moreover, Islamic terrorism should not even be a concern for most proles in America. It’s NAMs and Hispanic immigrants that are the problem.

      No Muslim will be plotting to attack Birmingham or a place in the Midwest. Ironically, liberal elites have much to worry about in NYC and Washington DC.

      JS

      November 5, 2016 at 11:46 am

      • “Moreover, Islamic terrorism should not even be a concern for most proles in America. It’s NAMs and Hispanic immigrants that are the problem”

        True as far as it goes. I tend to think that most political issues, whether drugs, blacks, Vietnam or Islam are in their own ways proxies for the two sides of America’s culture war to fight each other (of course we have some of the same proxies over here too). In the case of Islam it is that the left clearly desires to aid and abet the spread of Islam as a way of attacking their felllow deplorable countrymen–as I said, my enemy’s enemy is my friend. Patriotic Americans sense the hostility even if they do not fully understand its source, and are reacting against it. Of course they would be better off attacking liberal white Americans rather than Islam as the source of their woes, but it is still not in the Conservative nature to escalate disputes with other white Americans as this violates their sense of Nationhood and the rule of law. This is why proxy issues exist, I suppose, as a safety valve.
        Of course if patriotic whites were to turn their ire on liberals, then liberals would soil themselves good and hard. Anders Brevik is one example of an attack on immigration through attacking the liberals that enable them. I don’t recall any liberals attacking his logic for doing this even though they did of course attack him for being the very, very nasty man with nasty thoughts that I’m sure all decent people agree he is.

        prolier than thou

        November 5, 2016 at 3:04 pm


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