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Trump’s 1950s values vs. Hitler

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As I’ve previously explained, Trump has fifties values, the decade in which he grew up. The culture of the 1950s really extended up to the year 1964, the year when the “1960s counterculture” is commonly said to have begun. Donald Trump turned 18 in 1964. Or perhaps it’s more appropriate to call this the post-World-War-II era, so we can say that Trump has post-World-War-II values.

During this period, there was hardly any immigration into the United States, and consequently it was a time when workers had a lot of power. Wages were rising for everyone, and a man could go to work right after high school and feel confident about having a better life than his parents. Marriage was the norm and out-of-wedlock births were rare. Crime was much lower than it is today and the police were respected (but at the same time there were fewer and less militarized police, and fewer people incarcerated). Abortion was illegal. I’m not saying that illegal abortion was the cause of anything good about the 1950s, but I believe that Trump, who is not especially religious and doesn’t believe in the Christian stuff, was okay with being pro-life in order to win the Republican Party nomination because he figured that abortion was illegal during the post-World-War-II era so it would be no big deal if it’s illegal again.

Trump is rare because he’s immune to the type of persuasion that has caused the vast majority of people his age to adopt the values of the present and forget about the values of their childhood.

The typical view of left-wing social-justice-warrior types is that the post-World-War-II era was an evil era, full of racism and sexism. But I think it’s ironic that Trump is compared to Hitler because he has the values of post-World-War-II America which is the nation that defeated Hitler.

Now if Trump had the values of pre-World-War-II Germany, then we should be worried about Trump being the next Hitler, but Trump doesn’t have those values.

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Best comment, from “Chris”:

Best quote I ever heard:

“My Grandfather did not fight the Nazi’s so that his grandson could be called a Nazi for having the same views as his Grandfather.”

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 5, 2016 at 3:22 pm

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  1. Best quote I ever heard:

    “My Grandfather did not fight the Nazi’s so that his grandson could be called a Nazi for having the same views as his Grandfather.”

    chris

    November 5, 2016 at 4:16 pm

  2. Actually no abortion may have been the cause of something good. It forces men and women to settle down, form a nuclear family, and take adult responsibilities. Confucian quote here. Also keeps the birth rate up.

    But really, it’s hard to be an arrested development SJW hipster dipshit when you gotta deal with job + kids.

    Jason Liu

    November 5, 2016 at 4:18 pm

  3. The highly regarded Otis Index now has Hillary up by 0.2%. The final Otis Index will be issued on election day itself.

    We should not expect the Otis Index to meaningfully change between now and election day. It will probably swing more towards Hillary with the likely decline in Trump’s LAT numbers. That said, it is also possible Trump may rise in the others to offset that.

    Given the relatively large numbers of undecided/3rd party voters, my prediction of a 1 point Trump victory in the popular vote looks good.

    I do have some concerns about the pro Trump PPD poll, particularly in regards to the numbers it has for the Latino vote. In FL, they have Trump winning 42% of the Latino vote as opposed to the the 30% most other pollsters have Trump winning there. If they are overestimating Trump’s Latino support nationwide by over a 3rd, then that means that Crooked Hillary would actually be up 45.76 to 43.54, a 2.25 margin.

    State polls mostly look good except in NC, for whatever reason. It’s strange because by early voting, NC looks phenomenal yet we are struggling in the polls there. If there is any state where the polls are likely to simply be wrong, it is NC. SurveyUSA has Trump by 7 and PPD has Trump by 5. This fits the early voting much better than the polls showing Crooked Hillary up by 3 or 4.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 5, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    • The not-so-highly regarded gothamette index has Hillary winning a Pyrrhic electoral victory but being forced out of power by some deux ex machina, probably involving the M-I-L, in mid term. There will be a military crisis.

      gothamette

      November 5, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    • There are almost no Mexicans in Florida while Mexicans make up practically all of the Hispanic population in NC and west of the Mississippi. So there is no reason to assume a uniform nationwide error since you are comparing apples to oranges.

      PerezHBD

      November 5, 2016 at 6:09 pm

      • The point is that it seems insane to have Trump getting 42% of FL’s Latinos. Romney only got 39% of Hispanics against Obama and considering how much Hispanics hate Trump it is hard to see him getting anymore than 30% of FL’s Hispanic vote, which is enough to flip FL to crooked Hillary according PPD’s own poll.

        If they are overestimating Trump’s Latino support by that same margin nationally, and they probably are, then their national poll would have Hillary up by 2.25. Now, with 10.7 third party/undecided, Trump could still pull it off, but it wouldn’t be likely, just plausible.

        I stand by my prediction of a 1 point Trump victory in the popular vote.

        Lion: make an official prediction thread for the popular vote. We want to know your prediction and we need to get all your readers on the record.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 5, 2016 at 7:48 pm

      • It’s hard to predict when some of the polls are rigged. Even Nate Silver is calling BS on some of the polls. But I’m going to say it’s currently tied with +/-3 pt margin and momentum favors Trump

        Trump and Hillary are both acting like Hillary is in trouble. Before the FBI reopened the investigation Hillary was campaigning in swing states and states Trump needed to win. Now they’re campaigning in states the Democrats haven’t lost in decades and Hillary was supposed to have had locked up. That suggests 1) it’s close and 2) Hillary is still dropping. Whether she keeps falling or bounces back is anyone’s guess. But, at this point, it’s close and momentum is against her.
        **
        Cubans and Mexicans are completely different ethnic groups with completely different issues. The driving issue for Mexicans is money i.e. jobs and government programs. They’ve historically voted Democrat. The primary issue for Cubans has been hating Castro. They’ve historically voted Republican. Castro’s revolution was 50 years ago. So a lot of younger Cubans are less interested. Plus, they didn’t like the feuds Trump had with Foamboy and the cuck from Texas. So Trump wasn’t doing very well… until Cubans realized Democrats are about to lift the sanctions against Castro. My guess is that was Trump’s ace in the hole and he waited until recently to play it.

        destructure

        November 6, 2016 at 12:49 am

      • The point is that it seems insane to have Trump getting 42% of FL’s Latinos.

        That number is plausible.

        Florida’s Hispanic voters are somewhat different from those in the rest of the country.

        In addition to Republican leaning Cubans, whom Trump is doing well with, a decent fraction of Floridian Hispanics eligible to vote are wealthier criollos from South America who parked their cash in Miami real estate in case the homeland’s economy ever becomes too “Bolivarian” for their tastes. They migrated legally and often look down on poorer, darker, Mexicans and Central Americans.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 6, 2016 at 10:11 am

    • All of the FL gurus are announcing that Trump has lost the state. I don’t know what to believe anymore. Their triumphalism is huge black pill for me. That said, they are Dem shills. FL will close no matter what, any they only *think* they know what will happen.

      NV is definitely lost to the forces of Mordor, w/over 70% of the vote already in(!). Only The Conservative Treehouse crowd is still deluding themselves about that. They have a numbercruncher there who is totally in the clouds.

      Would love – LOVE – to see an uptick for Trump in the IBD poll tomorrow morning or Monday.

      SWPL2

      November 5, 2016 at 6:48 pm

      • I’m no longer convinced NV is that bad for Trump. https://twitter.com/GaryGmahon crunches the numbers and they look okay. The polls in NV are very strong for Trump.

        Who are the FL gurus you are referring to? If they are Dem shills like you say they could just be delusional. The Latino vote is way up by the white percentage of the electorate is clearly ahead of 2012 EV and will jump even further ahead on election day. How could Trump lose FL when the white vote share is higher and the black vote share is lower?

        The fact is that Florida EV is substantially better for the Republicans than it was in 2012. Doesn’t mean Trump will win, but I can’t see how anybody could call the state for Hil based on EV so far. The EV margin is going to be over 100k better for the R’s than it was in 2012.

        I think Trump will dominate in NC, IA and OH. I think he will squeak one out in FL and I am basing this on EV totals, the national Otis Index, PPD’s polls and 538’s model. I normally don’t think highly of 538 but I feel like all 4 of those things together is enough to suggest that a Trump victory is more likely than not.

        In NV, early voting doesn’t look particularly good even though the polling looks solid, better than Florida. So I am predicting a Hillary victory in NV even though I think Trump has a real chance there.

        Don’t know what to make of NH but Scott Brown says that due to the Dems bussing voters in from MA that Trump needs to win the state by 3 points to win the state. That being the case I’ll give it to Crooked Hillary.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 5, 2016 at 9:06 pm

      • In NV, early voting doesn’t look particularly good even though the polling looks solid, better than Florida. So I am predicting a Hillary victory in NV even though I think Trump has a real chance there.

        Don’t know what to make of NH but Scott Brown says that due to the Dems bussing voters in from MA that Trump needs to win the state by 3 points to win the state. That being the case I’ll give it to Crooked Hillary.

        If Trump doesn’t win the combo of NH/Maine 2nd and Nevada he’s done.

        He must hold the Romney states – incl North Carolina, Arizona and Utah and pick off Florida/Ohio and Iowa.

        That means he MUST win either Penn (not likely) OR the combo of NH/Me 2 and Nevada.

        Doesn’t seem likely which means Hillary wins + amnesty + 12 million + new democrats and a coming wave of post 18 year old non White and White media-lefty brainwashed generation.

        Absolute juggernaut.

        The only hope now is that the robots take over and kill off humanity within the next 30+ years.

        Rifleman

        November 6, 2016 at 9:11 am

  4. During this period, there was hardly any immigration into the United States, and consequently it was a time when workers had a lot of power. Wages were rising for everyone, and a man could go to work right after high school and feel confident about having a better life than his parents. Marriage was the norm and out-of-wedlock births were rare. Crime was much lower than it is today and the police were respected (but at the same time there were fewer and less militarized police, and fewer people incarcerated).

    To hell with the 50s. That era’s prosperity was an artificial side effect of America temporarily comprising ~50% of world GDP after the war.

    The finest American decade was the 1920s, everything since FDR has been downhill:

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 5, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    • The 1950s were an era low imports and low exports. The idea that America could somehow live high on the hog by exporting massive amounts to countries wealthy enough to consume american goods too impoverished to compete with American manufacturing doesn’t make any sense and is contradicted by the historical evidence.

      Magnavox

      November 5, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    • The 1950s were an era low imports and low exports.

      I find your lack of faith in the Coolidge era disturbing.

      I didn’t mention trade, I said half of world GDP was American for two decades after the war and that this advantage was obviously unsustainable. Once Western Europe and Japan had rebuilt themselves America’s proportion of world economic activity leveled off to ~25% where it has remained for the last four decades.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 6, 2016 at 10:21 am

  5. “But I think it’s ironic that Trump is compared to Hitler because he has the values of post-World-War-II America which is the nation that defeated Hitler.”

    That is a valid point, but SJW types have become so extreme that they no longer think there’s any difference. One line that has stuck in my craw from Tim Wise’s infamous screed a few years back is his reference to “the so-called ‘greatest generation’ — a bunch whose white contingent was top-heavy with ethical miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.”

    Hermes

    November 5, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    • SJWs in general aren’t very smart. They are usually “studies” majors in their early to mid 20s, and work in the student loans-intern-slave class. Their knowledge of history is minimal, no more than public high school level, and their knowledge of biology is nonexistent.

      Nevertheless, what the SJWs did well was to use online activism and social media to propound officially-sanctioned social causes, such as the War on Women, gay marriage and trannie nonsense.

      What’s been interesting has been to see the alt-right adopt SJW tactics, if begrudgingly, and then use them to expound on much more substantial subject material. The average IQ of the alt-right is leagues above that of the SJWs, I’m sure.

      Sid

      November 6, 2016 at 12:01 am

  6. hillary shares my values.

    jeffrey epstein

    November 5, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    • Haha. Got get em, lolita.

      The Philosopher

      November 6, 2016 at 8:40 am

  7. On a related note, according to Frank Bruni writing in the New York Times, liberals are having regrets over calling past Republican candidates Nazis and Hitler because it’s having a boy-who-cried-wolf effect on their current effort to smear Trump with those appellations. Supposedly, they can now admit that calling men like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney Nazis and Hitler was a bit hyperbolic. Well, that would be great, liberals, if past experience showed you had any ability to learn from this. I guarantee that if Hillary wins, or if Trump wins, after his presidency is over, liberals will go right back to calling mainstream Republicans Nazis and Hitler as though nothing had ever happened.

    Hermes

    November 5, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    • Every election they say the previous republicans weren’t so bad but that the guy this year is truly terrible.

      Magnavox

      November 5, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      • My own left-wing father’s response to having this pointed out to him was simply to deny that liberals had ever called GWB a Nazi.

        Hermes

        November 6, 2016 at 1:30 am

    • Old-school communists (from the 1920s-1950s) used to label anyone who disagreed with them as fascists, even when their opponents were socialists or liberals.

      Lewis Medlock

      November 6, 2016 at 12:00 pm

  8. I’ve heard many people grumble that if the Britons of 1939 had known what was going to happen to their country they would not have bothered fighting. It’s highly unPC of course but obviously true. By today’s standards they were all fascists.

    When you hear journalists interviewing ancient soldiers from WW2 the one question you never hear them ask is ‘and what do you think of Britain now?’ It would be interesting to know what melancholy thoughts flit through the minds of those old soldiers as they take their final breaths in some urine-drenched nursing home, whilst some fat-arsed African woman paid to ‘care’ for them cos their families don’t want them sit flicking through pictures of weaves on their phones and chewing khat. The young men they saw die, the promises they made to contact their love ones, the bombed out cities they returned home to, perhaps.

    prolier than thou

    November 5, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    • That was probably the most depressing comment I’ve ever read. If I was the moderator, I’d be minded to moderate it on bleakness alone.

      They never ask that generation, nevermind soldiers, anything about modern life because racism is a social construct that keeps being redefined and the West has been looted economically by foreignors.

      The word’s creation in the 1940s, and subsequent 2.0, 3.0 and patch versions show that is a is a subjective and hypnotic phenomenon.

      Talking to people born before 1970 is Alice in Wonderland stuff to most younger people today. Make no mistake, what that generation lacked in verbal intelligence to win Kulturkampf, they had in physical bravery and mental impulse control that most younger people lack.

      The Philosopher

      November 6, 2016 at 8:38 am

  9. It is often said that the 60s began Nov. 22, 1963 and ended Aug. 5, 1974.

    sestamibi

    November 5, 2016 at 6:02 pm

  10. Part of the left’s hatred for the 1950’s is that society still had morality. The left sees morality as intolerant and oppressive. That’s why the left hates religion, too.

    destructure

    November 5, 2016 at 7:07 pm

  11. Yeesh you are laying it on thick.

    The 50’s were about social institutions and people finding their place, and sacrificing, to be part of those institutions. That’s what On the Road and Catcher in the Rye rebelled against in their petulant way.

    Trump has 1650’s values- he thinks the world revolves around him like Louis the XIV the Sun King. Trump measures everything in relation to himself. Who likes him. Who said nice things about him. That’s not 50’s values at all.

    Lion of the Turambar

    November 5, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    • The real bottom line is that people are voting for Trump for one reason only: Economic prosperity for the White Middle Class.

      Everything else is a side show.

      JS

      November 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm

  12. Not that it really matters, but it’s probably most accurate to say that ’50s culture lasted through 1966, that is if you’re looking at music, movies and manners generally. Just because the FSM started in Berkeley in ’64 doesn’t mean that an entire lifestyle change had been kicked off. Even those kids wore white shirts and ties. After all, it was in 1969 that a guy named Cohen was arrested for wearing a “Fuck the Draft” patch on his jacket in a Los Angeles courtroom. If “The Sixties” had already been going on for 5 years, you wouldn’t expect that kind of reaction from the Man in a cosmopolitan place like L.A. Best to go with the Summer of Love as the start of The Sixties.

    With regard to the current epithet “fascist,” we have to recognize that the Left is just pissed that conservatives turned out to be right about all the big things since the fifties. They were right about Hiss, they were right about the Rosenbergs, they were right about nuclear deterrence (no crazy button pushing despite all the hysterical warnings), they were right about the idiocy of public sector collective bargaining, and most of all, they were right about “civil rights.” When the so-called “crackers” didn’t want to go to school with blacks, they knew something that Bill Moyers and Ben Bradlee and the rest of the bien- pensant class didn’t. And now the proof is all around us: every democratic voting non-racist who can afford to do so sends their kids to private school. “Fascist” means, “don’t talk about how we’ve been wrong about everything.”

    Marty

    November 5, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    • What are you talking about? The left doesn’t think conservatives were right about all those things.

      Hermes

      November 5, 2016 at 10:07 pm

      • So you think David Horowitz is the only lefty in the country who was able to see the light?

        Marty

        November 6, 2016 at 12:18 am

      • David Horowitz is a former leftist. Presumably he’s not “pissed that conservatives turned out to be right.” Sounds like you’re talking about current leftists, and they don’t think conservatives are right.

        Hermes

        November 6, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    • High schoolers only started having long hair around the 1974 yearbook in the small Midwestern town I grew up in.

      trey

      November 6, 2016 at 11:06 am

  13. I recall the Class of ’64. I was a freshman and in love with half a dozen seniors. They were more mature back then. Seriously, it wasn’t because I was younger. They really did act and look different, were better speakers and had more presence. Things went downhill rapidly after that year.

    One thing, though: many guys got married early because you could still avoid the draft that way. I remember seeing the news story with all the couples waiting in line right before the cutoff day.

    And yeah, there were jobs everywhere.

    Mrs Stitch

    November 5, 2016 at 9:18 pm

  14. some idiot just tried to kill Trump

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 5, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    • …some idiot just tried to kill Trump

      Well what do you expect?

      If Trump stopped plagiarizing speeches by Adolf Hitler and David Duke maybe things like this wouldn’t happen.

      ^^ plenty of people actually believe that ^^

      Rifleman

      November 6, 2016 at 12:32 am

  15. okay, for that poster that tried to defend Lion of the Turambar, here is his typical insightful, thoughtful criticism of Donald Trump:
    “Trump has 1650’s values- he thinks the world revolves around him like Louis the XIV the Sun King. Trump measures everything in relation to himself. ”

    Come on, this guy is clearly unhinged, he has some bizarre irrational hatred of Trump. It’s just one idiotic, inane post after another always ranting about Trump in the most bizarre ways. Zero substance, all bile and bluster and noise. Like an angry imbecile.

    JimBonobo

    November 5, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    • Hi, JimBonobo. I’m that poster. Turambar’s right that Trump doesn’t have an overall vision of people finding their proper places in the Scheme of Things, that Trump’s focused on his own Hero-role. (I’m voting for Trump because he’s not evil and his election will annoy the agents of Darkness.)

      Garr

      November 6, 2016 at 3:19 am

    • I am not sure what your objection is.

      Are you saying that Louis XIV *wasnt* a narcissist?

      Are you saying that Trump doesnt respond positively to people who flatter him? We have dozens of quotes about him talking about people and publications “that like him” or “said nice things about him”. That seem to be about how far his thinking on a lot of subjects goes.

      I think its irrational of *you* to decide to decide who’s team you are and then work backwards to reconstruct a rationale for it. Not not how logical thinking works. Every one recognizes the guy is a narcissist, and that wasnt what the 50’s was about. Believe me. I can promise you that.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm

  16. i dont get the 50s alues thing either, how do you square “grab ’em in the pussy” with 50s values. trump would be completely unelectable in the 1950s.

    james n.s.w

    November 5, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    • The media would never have played such a tape in the 1950s.

      Did crude locker-room boasting of sexual prowess among prole men happen in the 1950s? I suspect it did, but I don’t know for sure.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 5, 2016 at 9:43 pm

      • You couldn’t get elected in the fifties if you were on your third wife, publicly criticized POWs, or about a half dozen other things Trump has done. Also the parties were a lot stronger in the 1950s and according to wikipedia between 1936 to 1968, only 12 states even had primaries.

        Magnavox

        November 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      • I certainly agree that to a large extent, Trump is a product of the reality-TV sensationalism of the 21st Century. But he still has fifties values underneath that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 5, 2016 at 10:32 pm

      • I certainly agree that to a large extent, Trump is a product of the reality-TV sensationalism of the 21st Century. But he still has fifties values underneath that.

        By 2004 or so when the tape was made Trump was in part the product of listening to and being on the Howard Stern radio show for 20 years.

        Stern is unknown to many but the guy was one of the all time radio dirt-bags and he had an influence on Trump.

        Rifleman

        November 6, 2016 at 9:03 am

    • JFK’s skirt chasing as president was absolutely obscene. Part of 1950s values was that you knew stuff like that was going on, but you didn’t cover it.

      The Trump of today wouldn’t have been elected in the 1950s, but would a wealthy real estate magnate born around 1890 with a long history of mistresses have done well in politics? Yes. He just would have needed to have been more discreet about his private life, as was par for the time.

      Sid

      November 5, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    • JFK’s skirt chasing as president was absolutely obscene. Part of 1950s values was that you knew stuff like that was going on, but you didn’t cover it.

      The media knew about JFK’s infidelity but never reported on it just like they avoided showing FDR in a wheel chair in theater news reals.

      When his affairs were publicized in the 1970s and 1980s it came as a shock to many who had voted for Kennedy in 1960.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 6, 2016 at 10:25 am

    • Future president Lyndon B Johnson was around in the 50s, buddy.

      Glengarry

      November 6, 2016 at 5:14 pm

  17. > Trump is rare because he’s immune to the type of persuasion that has caused the vast majority of people his age to adopt the values of the present and forget about the values of their childhood.

    That makes a lot of sense. He really does keep it real.

    Alfred Woenselaer

    November 5, 2016 at 10:48 pm

  18. In those days the press conspired to keep politicians’ secrets. They never reported on JFK’s or LBJ’s affairs. They even kept FDR’s paralysis secret. The public didn’t know FDR couldn’t walk.

    JimBonobo

    November 5, 2016 at 11:21 pm

  19. At the rate the GOP is headed. Those governed by them in those red state hell-holes are headed for the middle ages. Rich land owners… permanent underclass fueled by hate, anger and too stupid to see they’re voting against their own and their children’s self interest.

    Gut those regulations baby, no mimimum wage, no EPA.

    Who needs Obamacare when there’s FOX and Hate radio. Who needs clean water, decent wages

    Who needs Education when you get Rush Limbaugh.. that’s all the education a redneck can want.

    The Party of Stupid is something Roman Emperors could only dream of. The poor voting to make the rich richer, lower their own wage, pollute their own water and air, vote away safety regulations.

    The dumber and poorer they get, the angrier and stupider they become

    doubling down on GOP like clockwork.

    Thank God they no longer Represent what America is today.

    Luke

    November 6, 2016 at 12:14 am

    • What’s in it for me if I vote Democrat?

      map

      November 6, 2016 at 1:58 am

    • Go away, Tiny Duck.

      IHTG

      November 6, 2016 at 4:02 am

    • “The poor voting to make the rich richer, lower their own wage, pollute their own water and air, vote away safety regulations.”

      Uhm, it looks like we get this faster under the Evil party.

      It is pretty well established that the 1% do better under Democrats; their open border policy drives down wages; the added population burden from immigration does more to befoul air and water than any slight slowdown in regulations the Stupid party offers.

      To flood the country with low wage immigrants that drive down wages and then propose a higher minimum wage is a sick joke.

      bomag

      November 6, 2016 at 6:47 am

      • But it’s true that the ideal party for regular Americans would have the Democratic tax policy and the Trump immigration policy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 6, 2016 at 7:57 am

      • Lion is right.

        Bernie’s economics and Trumps national security/border.

        That’s basically why these two candidates are wildly popular.

        You only get that potent populist mix in Western Europe.

        My hunch is that it will eventually wipe out mainstream neoliberal economics/open border combo. But it will require much more violence as the elite much prefer the status quo of asset stripping the west in a leveraged buyout.

        The Philosopher

        November 6, 2016 at 8:14 am

      • The Democrats and the Republicans piggy back one another to form a 2 party tyranny hellbent in eradicating the White proletariat. Readers here should know better.

        The Democrats’ sole operative is welfare creation for racial minorities while Republicans believe in outsourcing and destruction of small businesses. The only winners in this arrangement are upper class Whites and the upper middle class as the middle class.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 9:18 am

  20. The 1950s was a good era for working class Americans. American manufactures dominated the world market because industry in Europe and Asia was still recovering from WW II. Us factories were untouched by WW II while most factories had been destroyed in Europe and Asia. The USA had the top technology in the West because many of the European scientist fled Europe, either before or after WW II. Unions were strong in the manufacturing sector and were able to secure good wages and benefits for workers.

    By the late 1960s US manufactures were starting to face strong foreign competition. The USA started to lose manufacturing jobs. This was long before any of the trade deals like NAFTA. It was not the trade deals, it was the loss of the USA monopoly on heavy manufacturing and the flooding of the US market with imported goods that caused the decline of the US manufacturing.

    Today, even in the industries that still have strong unions, they cannot negotiate higher wages and benefits because the companies themselves are financially weak, competing against foreign competitors with lower manufacturing cost.

    Renegotiating trade deals and putting tariffs on imports will lead to inflation, but we can never go back to the monopoly on manufacturing that the USA had in the 1950s.

    In the 1950s married white women seldom worked. They stayed home and took care of the kids and household. Even working class men could make enough money to support their family. Today a much higher percentage of married women work because their husband just does not make enough money. Even college educated men don’t make enough to support their family. In the 1950s women were treated poorly in the work place. It was assumed that they would get married and quit working. This is no longer true today. Women demand more respect and opportunity in the work place.

    Blacks and other minorities were treated very badly in the 1950s. Segregation was the law in the South. Black and minorities do not look fondly on 1950s.

    It is basically older only white men that want to go back to 1950s values.

    mikeca

    November 6, 2016 at 12:19 am

    • “Renegotiating trade deals and putting tariffs on imports will lead to inflation, but we can never go back to the monopoly on manufacturing that the USA had in the 1950s.”

      No, it won’t.

      map

      November 6, 2016 at 1:59 am

      • This is the same magical thinking that says cutting taxes does not increase the deficit. The whole point of tariffs is to raise the price of imported goods and to make more expensive domestic alternatives attractive to consumers. The idea that companies will absorb all those tariffs and not pass the added costs on to consumers is magical thinking. If companies were somehow able to do that, then tariffs would be totally ineffective in bringing manufacturing jobs back to the USA.

        mikeca

        November 6, 2016 at 12:40 pm

  21. The Left has painted ALL of American and Western history pre-60s revolution as Nazi.

    Whites recognizing their racial identity and/or not surrendering to non-whites is Nazi, as far as they are concerned.

    If a White is the victim of a violent crime by a non-white and he even thinks about throwing a punch in self-defense, then he is a Nazi.

    If that same White victim does not throw the punch, but absorbs the punishment of a swarm of violent non-whites then he is Nazi who deserves his beating from the minorities he has oppressed.

    If a White is opposed to giving welfare to a non-white (who will go ahead and shamelessly have lots of kids while on welfare), then he is a Nazi.

    If a White is not in favor of subsidizing the fortune and prosperity of non-whites (at his own expense) then he is a Nazi.

    I am not exaggerating for effect. This is how extreme the Left is.

    fakeemail

    November 6, 2016 at 12:36 am

  22. WHY SOCIAL CHANGE HAPPENED IN AMERICA IN THE 1960s

    Lion,

    Has it never occurred to you why the 1950s were so maligned in the following years and the culture ‘had to be’ changed? What was the main socially mobile group trying to break into WASP universities, boardrooms, country clubs and the elite circles of that time? Be honest.

    Reading Warren Buffet’s biography I’m struck by how Warren himself was not a liberal in any modern sense but was drawn to liberalism by his wife who liked to hang around with the African American and Jewish community of Omaha in the late 50s and early 60s. The Jewish business community was livid at their discrimination from the local country club and by extension, the harm to their business interests from being outsiders.

    The hypothesis of social change since 1964 I would conjecture is this: Influencing white women, particularly through second wave feminism, was a vital ingredient to the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement was as much about equal opportunity for Jews as well as blacks. Probably the real motive of its funding, organising, promotion and apparatus was for the former group. This is only mentioned cursorily in textbooks and media. It’s obvious blacks, who at the time, had even less education and literacy levels than now, could have pulled off that level of change in terms of legislation, lobbying and influencing.

    I’m obviously not against the Civil Rights Act, but it’s important to understand the history.

    Phillip Roth, Shapiro and many other Jewish intellectuals have made this very obvious in their works. I read a lot of Jewish literature and the one topic that always arises is race/being an outsider.

    IRONY 1:
    Jews, the most intelligent race find a way to break into the elite by promoting the idea that race doesn’t matter. But no other minority race could have figured out that strategy, and of course SJW liberalism implicitly promotes the assumption that only race matters.

    IRONY 2:
    The elites of other races on earth would never let Jews into the inner sanctum, but other race’s low affective empathy also means they don’t create splendour, beauty and economic surplus like the ‘Greatest Generation’. American Graffiti is a good example of what it was like to live in those Halcyon days.

    You can have a very coherent logical view in my opinion – depending on your race, class, religion and gender – as to why the 1950s are either a dark age or a golden age. It’s even possible for the same person to hold both views.

    The Philosopher

    November 6, 2016 at 8:07 am

    • Well WASPs shouldn’t have discriminated against Jews.

      Today, prole Jews love Donald Trump, and prole Jews get no benefit from the fact that other Jews are now a significant minority of the elites. Indeed, elite Jews look down upon prole Jews just as elite gentile whites look down upon prole gentile whites.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 6, 2016 at 9:00 am

      • Again, prole Jews are a tiny minority among non-prole Jews. Prole Jews are also more educated and live better than most White gentile proles.

        The 60s was a turning point for both Jews and blacks. The former group becomes the new WASPs and the latter the new underclass.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 9:22 am

      • Prole Jews being a tiny minority is only the imagination of antisemites. At least 40% are prole, that’s not tiny.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 6, 2016 at 9:25 am

      • A Pew study has found that Jews are happier than their gentile counterparts in America. Elites secular Jews, of course, are the happiest, followed by religious Jews then secular prole Jews, all of them being happier than White gentiles of their respective class/background.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 9:31 am

      • Is this supposed to imply something sinister about Jews, that they are happy?

        So I mucked around with the General Social Survey (GSS) archive, and it shows that Jews with college degrees are happier than protestants with college degrees, but that Jews with graduate degrees are LESS happy than protestants with graduate degrees. The sample size is very small because only 2% of respondents are Jews, so it’s not really statistically significant.

        The GSS also shows that Catholics are less happy than Protestants, so those Catholics are dragging down the gentile happiness average.

        What’s clear is that more education equals greater happiness, according to the GSS. Given that Jews have more education, ON AVERAGE, than gentiles, it only follows that Jews would be happier.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 6, 2016 at 9:42 am

      • Comparing Italians and Jews in the NYC-tristate area, there are a lot more guidos than there are Jews in terms of population, yet there are lot more Jews living in the elite neighborhoods of NYC and the wealthier zipcodes of the outlying suburbs. Therefore, your idea that many Jews are prole in terms of wealth isn’t true.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 9:44 am

      • 40% of Jews don’t have college degrees according to the GSS, thus 40% of Jews are prole.

        I am also suspicious that the ultra-religious Jews (who are very prole) are not represented in the GSS at all and thus the GSS overstates Jewish non-proleness.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 6, 2016 at 9:47 am

      • Even if Haredim Jews are not included in the study, they should be very happy as a group. They get preference over NAMs when it comes to affordable housing, and taxpayers also fund their community police.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • Some readers might be outraged by reading my comments in regards to Jews, but this is what high IQ outsiders should do in a society. They find ways to take advantage of the system to benefit them. It so happens that Jews are smarter than other groups, including East Asians, hence why they are on top in terms of income and education.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 10:01 am

      • Warren Buffet not Jewish. Bill Gates not Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 6, 2016 at 10:27 am

      • True, but Trump in laws, the Kushners are Jewish, and Chelsea Clinton’s hubby is also Jewish. Michael Bloomberg is Jewish, and so forth…basically Jews are very elite, if you compare them to other ethnic groups. Most of the real estate developers/landlords in Manhattan are Jewish, just to top it off.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      • Lower Manhattan with its various immigrant neighborhoods of Jews, Chinese, Italians and Hispanics is a great observation of HBD and value transference.

        By far, Jews are lot more successful than their Asian and guido neighbors, in terms education, wealth and political influence. Due in part, that Jews embrace education, even far more that the Chinese immigrants (whose children only care for vocational careers, but sorely lacking in a liberal arts education, which allows them to think critically), and many Italian guidos who were never bookworms to begin with.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 10:10 am

      • Lion has a fair point that class interests often overrides genetic interest. It’s very complicated trying to disentangle whether prole jews benefit more from the Blank Slate than they suffer from illegal immigration (particularly muslims) and neoliberal/finance rent seeking.

        The Philosopher

        November 6, 2016 at 11:18 am

      • “whose children only care for vocational careers, but sorely lacking in a liberal arts education, which allows them to think critically”

        Where is the evidence a “liberal arts education” improves critical thinking? I’ve certainly seen no evidence that it improves objectivity or rationality. Quite the opposite.

        destructure

        November 6, 2016 at 11:40 am

      • Given the fact that Jews are overrepresented as liberal arts majors at the graduate level, and there are so many Jewish professors in the liberal arts, and Jews by far are a successful and wealthy ethnic group, surpassing other White ethnics like the Irish and the Italians, and are more dynamic than East Asians when it comes to the professions, one could make an inference that liberal arts have made Jews successful. To think critically includes thinking outside of the box.

        JS

        November 6, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    • …but was drawn to liberalism by his wife

      There are many, many examples of this phenomenon.

      Women/wives are absolute snakes!

      No offense to snakes.

      Rifleman

      November 6, 2016 at 9:18 am

    • I think it’s okay for anyone to discriminate against anyone else on any basis whatsoever, and I have no problem at all with colleges and clubs keeping Jews out. Jew had their own colleges (e.g. Hunter) and clubs (shuls) that were just as fun and interesting to hang out in. Jews that get pissed off about WASP-only colleges and clubs annoy me; they’re showing their own low self-esteem. (I’m surprised that you’re not against the Civil Rights Act, Philosopher; it was a catastrophe.) That said, I doubt that the CivilRightsy Jews were primarily motivated by that sort of resentment. It’s just a case of universalizing the we’re-all-a-big-family attitude that appropriately applies only within the actual big family.

      Garr

      November 6, 2016 at 11:57 am

  23. Trump is immune to propaganda because he is biologically immune. Many people born in the 1950s or earlier change their view under peer pressure and media influence. That’s not a predictive factor if we were to regress, but a contributing variable. Birthplace and Rawlsian ticket is situational. People born in Timbuktu, also have different values.

    He is immune therefore because he Shrugs Alpha. Alpha males don’t care about joining consensus building because they build it themselves. Notice how most inner city blacks don’t care about gay marriage or progressive tax or head start programmes? They Shrug Alpha – only policies that suit them and their tribe are taken on board. They can’t be fooled by gamma radiation from left or right. They have no religion.

    The other two groups immune from brainwashing are paranoid schizos or the ‘tinfoil hat brigade’ whose sense of reality, nevermind social convention, is tenuous, and of course those with genius level verbal intelligence.

    Nietzsche, TS Eliot, Enoch Powell etc. People that have studied philosophy like Peter Thiel, Carl Icahn and the classics are known to have 2 standard deviations in verbal intelligence above the norm. Likewise, linguists like Chomsky, and journalists like Hitchens and Klein on the left can see through neoliberalism very easily despite orthodoxy, but their empathy overrides their suspicion of Human Biodiversity, at least enough to say in public anyway.

    I imagine Russian language scholars, and very high level lawyers are pretty immune as well.

    You can also be a mix of some of these 3 categories, like myself.

    Being an alpha, p schiz, classics professor is the ticket to intellectual freedom.

    The Philosopher

    November 6, 2016 at 8:26 am


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