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When people literally don’t believe you are supporting Trump

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When I spoke out in favor of Trump at a family gathering a few weeks ago, my brother-in-law’s nephew (a college graduate working at a trendy company in Brooklyn and not a little kid) thought I was just playing devil’s advocate and wasn’t sincere in my support for Trump, and he still thinks that as far as I know.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 7, 2016 at 4:16 pm

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  1. Reason #4023 not to live in NYC – you’re entirely surrounded by the sort of people assume that your pledge of Trump support can only be a joke.

    Camlost

    November 7, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    • I live in a small city in Western Canada and it is pretty much as bad. I mentioned to one person at work that I didn’t like Hillary. They immediately began to tell me how Trump was literally Hitler. I wasn’t brave enough to say I liked Trump. I certainly would never tell an anonymous person on the phone that I liked Trump. They have my number and could figure out where Iive!

      Rosenmops

      November 7, 2016 at 5:48 pm

      • Yeah, a huge percentage of Canadians and Brits have quite a bit to say about Trump. They’re more obsessed with opposing him than even some Berniebros I know. It’s bizarre.

        Camlost

        November 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      • In the Québec Province, and also to certain extent in Montréal, they don’t like Donald Trump that much and would vote for Hillary Clinton. That’s because many Québécois have never lived in America, and don’t know the social dynamics over there. However, there are smart people in the province who know what’s going on. They’ll tell you that America is a f#cked up place with too many miscreants, and Trump is the only viable candidate who could implement real change.

        Just remember that French Canadian tourist who was visiting NYC’s Times Square not too long ago, who refused to tip a black guy with a long criminal rap sheet after getting a hug from him. It landed her a punch in the eye. It’s same logic that American White liberals have with NAMs.

        JS

        November 7, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • If you’re really living here in Western Canada, it’s a short drive to the US so you can live there and enjoy the tyranny of Trump and share in his ripoff approach to life. Remember his grandfather was a pimp here in BC

        Your neighbour

        November 23, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    • New Yorkers have considered Trump a clown since the 1980s. Even conservative New Yorkers have a hard time taking him seriously.

      Peter Akuleyev

      November 8, 2016 at 6:11 am

  2. Imagine in France !
    Ps: today i saw an american burger place where they had an ad “vote rump” ….

    Bruno from Paris

    November 7, 2016 at 4:27 pm

  3. HuffPo poll tracker has Crooked Hillary up by 4.6 in 4 way race. Almost exactly how much they were off in Brexit by.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 7, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    • Thanks for all your posts on the 2016 election Otis.

      Johnson

      November 7, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    • You have to give a final Otis index prediction.

      Magnavox

      November 8, 2016 at 12:25 am

  4. Same in Canada. If you out yourself as a Trump supporter, you will be subjected to public humiliation and ridicule. A good example of liberal hypocrisy. Liberals hate REAL diversity – diversity in THOUGHT. Racial diversity is fluff; it doesn’t mean anything. Diversity in thought scares the hell out of them.

    Lolyer

    November 7, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    • The left endorses freedom of expression only when they’re a distinct minority. Once they gain the upper hand, there’s no tolerance or acceptance of free speech. That’s what political correctness is all about–the silencing of dissenting opinions.

      Lewis Medlock

      November 7, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    • I don’t like this type of bellyaching. If you go public with Holocaust denial or say that we should bring back slavery for blacks, you will face massive public ridicule and scorn, and rightfully so. Illegitimate views shouldn’t be outlawed, but they should be shamed out of public discourse.

      I disagree that Trump’s views are illegitimate, on the contrary, I think that Hillary is the one with illegitimate views, but I don’t expect liberals to tolerate my intolerance.

      Otis the Sweaty

      November 7, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    • “Racial diversity is fluff; it doesn’t mean anything.”

      Wrong.

      And liberals hate racial diversity when it comes to their own lives.

      fakeemail

      November 7, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      • One thing that the liberals miss that the right o sphere gets — everyone hates blacks. Most liberals who gentrify neighborhoods aren’t living among a sizeable black demographic.

        Try patronizing a supermarket owned by a Hispanic for Hispanics, and a supermarket that is mostly made up of black shoppers. The difference is clearly night and day. You’ll get many evil stares from the latter group if you aren’t one of them.

        JS

        November 8, 2016 at 12:45 am

    • “Same in Canada. If you out yourself as a Trump supporter, you will be subjected to public humiliation and ridicule.”

      Based on some of the posts on this site, the political dynamics in Canada seem almost identical to the US. Americans didn’t have an opinion on the PM race between Harper and Trudeau, but it seems every Canadian has an opinion on Hillary v Trump, and it seems to break down along the same lines.

      Mike Street Station

      November 8, 2016 at 6:18 am

  5. IBD’s number today suggest R-D turnout levels will be even.

    Early voting totals suggest IBD is right case, but that state pollsters haven’t adjusted their turnout models correctly.

    For example, in the CBS/Yougov poll of Florida which had the state tied 45-45 their weighted sample had whites being only 61.7% of all voters, Hispanics 19.8 and blacks 13.7.

    But according to early Florida vote results whites are 66% of the electorate, Hispanics 15% and blacks 13%. If the CBS’ turnout model is adjusted with these actual figures then Trump is ahead by over 1 point in Florida, and this before election voting which will break strongly for him.

    I’m now confident Trump will take Florida tomorrow.

    For another example, most state polls of North Carolina have that state even despite early voting being disastrous for Democrats.

    If state polls are generally built around 2012 turnout models and if IBD is right that Republican and Democrat turnout will be even, the state polls, which are very tight, are overestimating Hillary’s actual position.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 7, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    • Trump will win Ohio and North Carolina for sure. Florida should go for him. After that, to seal the deal he just needs to pick off a few states like New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, and maybe pull a surprise in one of Virginia-Pennsylvania-Michigan.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 7, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    • Florida’s early voting demographics might be why 538 is suddenly saying Trump has a 52% chance of winning Florida: They see the polls are tied despite underestimating white turnout and Hispanic turnout (while up in absolute terms) only 15% of all early Florida voters. After correcting for white turnout to be higher, Trump clearly has the advantage.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 7, 2016 at 5:42 pm

      • 538 has Crooked Hillary winning FL, NC and NV.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 7, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • 538 has Crooked Hillary winning FL, NC and NV.

        They just changed their rating of Florida today (Now 52% likelihood Trump takes it). They made their change probably after seeing the early vote is not giving Hillary the right demographic proportions.

        NC is gone for Hillary, not sure what they’re thinking. NV is a tossup.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 7, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      • Their new rating probably has less to do with any statistical analysis than it does the early vote not going well for Clinton.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 7, 2016 at 6:49 pm

      • 538 currently showa FL in HRC’s corner. And Steve Schale is jumping up and down. Diversity is how they win.

        SWPL2

        November 7, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      • 538 currently showa FL in HRC’s corner.

        They did switch their projection to Trump earlier today. Maybe they changed their mind afterwards, but they were definitely saying Florida leaned Trump a few hours ago.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 7, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      • I agree. Trump will get all the Romney states (includes NC) plus FL, OH, and IA. After that, he needs just one or two more states, and right now, that’s looking most likely to be NH and CO (early voting numbers look very good in CO). NV is a real crapshoot that will depend entirely on turnout tomorrow. After that, PA and MI are the most likely states for him to win. I think WI is lost because Feingold is on the ballot to get his Senate seat back, and that’s bringing out the Democratic base there, unlike other states.

        Bilbo Baggins

        November 7, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    • And I’ve published this analysis as a quick blog entry:

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2016/11/07/hillarys-turnout-problem/

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 7, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    • TUJ you are the eternal optimist. Hope you’re right.

      Camlost

      November 7, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      • It’s not optimism, I’m basing this on the actual demographics coming in from early Florida votes.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 7, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      • If you’re right, I win a tidy sum at Predict It. I put a hundred bucks on Trump back when I really thought he could win. But I don’t think so.

        gothamette

        November 7, 2016 at 8:18 pm

      • If you’re right, I win a tidy sum at Predict It.

        For the record I’m only predicting Trump wins Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio plus the usually safe Republican states. I’m not predicting he wins the election, though I figure he is still 50-50 to win the whole thing if he can string together extra electoral votes in the Interior West states and/or Rust Belt and/or New Hampshire + Maine 2.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 7, 2016 at 8:40 pm

  6. I get the same response overseas. But I generally don’t discuss politics, religion, etc in meatspace unless I know someone shares my views. There are lots of liberals who would be shocked to learn I’m not one of them. They just assume I am because I don’t disagree when they discuss politics.🙂

    destructure

    November 7, 2016 at 5:32 pm

  7. It sounds like an invitation to send the kid some ‘ironic’ HBD memes and other Right wing material.

    Tom

    November 7, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    • Yeah, get him a copy of Ann Coumter’s book, “Adios America.”

      Explainer 21

      November 7, 2016 at 7:37 pm

  8. Does your family know about your blog?

    Tom

    November 7, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  9. Here’s hoping Trump wins and they all get a loud wake up call.

    Johnson

    November 7, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  10. I thought you were from a prole family that would be expected to at least be sympathetic to Trump. Is your family SWPLing?

    Fiddlesticks

    November 7, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  11. What’s funny is that you usually seem to have the opposite problem, i.e. you deadpan and people think you are serious.

    Fiddlesticks

    November 7, 2016 at 6:50 pm

  12. PPD’s final FL poll has Trump up by 2 percent. Sounds about right.

    Only has Trump up by 3 in OH.

    NV is a tie, down from a 5 point Trump lead 5 days ago.

    NC is a 3 point Trump lead, down from a 5 point Trump lead 5 days ago.

    PA is tied, up from a 3 point Hil lead 2 weeks ago.

    Basically, other than PA the margins are pretty much back to where they were before Comey’s email statement. We don’t have PPD’s final polls for WI, MI, VI or CO, but if they follow the pattern and revert to pre Comey margins, you can forget about Trump winning any of them.

    Trump either needs ME-2, NV and NH or he needs PA. There are no other ways.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 7, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    • Basically, other than PA the margins are pretty much back to where they were before Comey’s email statement. We don’t have PPD’s final polls for WI, MI, VI or CO, but if they follow the pattern and revert to pre Comey margins, you can forget about Trump winning any of them.

      Trump either needs ME-2, NV and NH or he needs PA. There are no other ways.

      NM is winnable.

      I’ll also predict Trump wins Ohio, North Carolina and Florida.

      I don’t agree with you with about the other states that you think are out of reach.

      Trump is close in all of them though it’s feasible Hillary could narrowly run the table and hold them all. But she has to hold them all – if she loses, say, just Colorado, she’s cooked.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 7, 2016 at 7:43 pm

  13. I’ve been openly supporting Trump on Facebook since August of 2015. I’ve gotten into debates about things like immigration and IQ and plainly stated my concerns and why I’m voting for Trump. Still, most people that I know personally think I’m joking about voting for Trump even when I insist that I’m not. It’s weird.

    Robert

    November 7, 2016 at 7:25 pm

  14. Liberals are so insular and small-minded (aka stupid) that they can’t even CONCEIVE of someone else credibly holding a different opinion than the one the media has given them.

    That’s why they always say to Ann Coulter in response to her heartfelt and well-reasoned views, “it’s just an act, who’s paying you?

    Had the unfortunate luck to talk with a black woman at work. Without solicitation she starts talking about the election and how she’s scared that Trump will win. She says to the effect, “Even if he wins, he can’t do what he wants. He can’t make blacks slaves and stop women from working.” All the work bitches think like this, regardless of race. Women are mushy headed fools and their voting has DIRECTLY destroyed this country.

    How does one talk to/reason with/coexist with brain-dead people like this? And these brain-dead people are the MAJORITY. It’s scary.

    fakeemail

    November 7, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    • If Trump wanted to make (most) Blacks serfs (not slaves) and stop women from working I’d be more enthusiastic about him.

      Garr

      November 7, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    • My SWPL sister is convinced that Trump would start a war if he was president, so she’s voting for the candidate that favored all the dumb wars (Iraq, Libya, Syria) that Trump opposed.

      Richard

      November 8, 2016 at 12:21 am

  15. Brave Lion. Did you tell young man that you had heard a speech by Sarah Palin and it changed your mine and now you are voting for Trump.

    mark

    November 7, 2016 at 8:51 pm

  16. I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout no polls, but isn’t this a year, more than any other, where you would see Democrats crossing the aisle and voting for Trump? A lot of white working class types have hung onto their Dem registrations out of historical inertia (“my daddy was a Demmacrat and muh gran-daddy was a Demmacrat…”). Wouldn’t Trump’s message resonate well with them?

    On the other hand, you’ve got Republican cucks who will probably vote Hillary enough to cancel out that effect. God, cucks are the worst of the worst.

    peterike

    November 7, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    • “On the other hand, you’ve got Republican cucks who will probably vote Hillary enough to cancel out that effect. God, cucks are the worst of the worst.”

      On the other hand, they mostly live in States that were going blue anyway, so their vote for Hillary, Johnson, or McMullin won’t matter much when the state was going with Hillary anyway.

      Mike Street Station

      November 8, 2016 at 6:24 am

  17. In my urban NC neighborhood you can’t walk around without tripping over Hillary and Deborah Ross signs. But as soon as you get outside the city they just vanish. So yes, I get a lot of incredulity when I say I’m voting for Trump (I never volunteer it but I respond honestly if asked) but these people are the ones who are living in a bubble.

    Jokah Macpherson

    November 7, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    • I assume Chapel Hill would be that place. Perhaps the only place a Yankee Doodle SWPL from the Northeast could call home in the South.

      JS

      November 8, 2016 at 12:34 am

  18. In Europe everyone assumes that any “normal” American, i.e. who has all his teeth, has clean clothes and doesn’t weigh 350 lbs, hates Trump. The European media basically portrays Trump supporters as ignorant backward losers who are voting for Trump because they are angry at being left behind. On the other hand, the European media is also surprisingly anti-Hillary. The European mainstream press has taken the email scandals far more seriously than the US mainstream press has. The Europeans also think Hillary is just a Wall Street puppet. Essentially the Europeans are happy to make the US look bad either way.

    Peter Akuleyev

    November 8, 2016 at 5:51 am


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