Lion of the Blogosphere

The stupid anti-Semitic morons of the “alt-right”

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Tom asks in a comment:

Lion, are you going to cover the recent alt-right meeting in D.C. that’s been all over the news lately? The alt-right seems to have come out as full blown Nazis.

Well since I was asked, I guess I have to write something.

I found this tweet that I think succinctly states the situation:

But I think I need to dwell a little longer how what a bunch of stupid morons we had gathered together in DC that they would do this front of the media.

1. This gives the media even more ammunition to accuse Steve Bannon of being anti-Semitic and Trump himself of being anti-Semitic which hurts Trump and makes it harder for him to enact his agenda.

2. It destroys any influence they think they had with Trump. Trump loves the Jews, and it’s not just campaign rhetoric. Look who his closest advisor is: Jared Kushner. And if you see pictures of Trump when he was the Grand Marshall of the Salute to Israel Parade, he never looked happier. I’ve written many times that Trump has fifties values, and I’m pretty sure that in the fifties, especially in New York City, the Nazis were remembered as the enemy and not as people you’d want to emulate. By associating themselves with Nazis who would put Trump’s grandchildren into a concentration camp and gas them to death, what influence do they thing they are now going to have with Trump?

So how could they be so stupid? The simple answer is that they hate Jews so much they couldn’t help themselves, and maybe they foolishly thought that with the election of Trump, the mood of the country has turned so they can now come out as full-blown Nazis.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 23, 2016 at 6:52 am

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  1. i met richard spencer in 2011. he was a really nice guy though a little effeminate. this was a supremely dumb move though. i think he just getting off too much on being the ‘leader’ of this movement hes trying to style hismelf as the dandified WASPfuhrer.

    james n.s.w

    November 23, 2016 at 6:54 am

    • Do you think he’s gay and closeted? He’s good looking, charming, and intelligent and he never seems to be around women.

      Horace Pinker

      November 23, 2016 at 10:24 am

      • Being a Nazi is toxic to women.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • i thought he had a russian gf? still could be gay though.

        james n.s.w

        November 23, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • He was married to Nina Koupriakova, but they’re divorced or separated now.

        Maz

        November 23, 2016 at 1:14 pm

      • Spencer is either married or separated and he has a young child.

        Jonathan Vere

        November 23, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    • He wants attention and knows this is a way to get it.

      Magnavox

      November 23, 2016 at 9:41 pm

  2. it should be noted that someone like jared taylor would never be dumb enough to do something like this (and because he’d have no inclination to on account of the fact that he’s not ‘secretly’ antisemitic like spencer is). i’m generally sympathetic to the alt-right but spencer trying to be its public face ” is a PR disaster in motion.

    james n.s.w

    November 23, 2016 at 6:59 am

    • Exactly. My recollection of Spencer is that he was a well-behaved racial realist in the Jared Taylor mold (though less impressive intellectually). I was surprised when he resurfaced during the Trump campaign as a Nazi, more or less. Taylor-type white nationalism might benefit from Trump’s exercises in Overton window shifting, but I don’t see Spencer’s anti-Semitic, separatist ideas gaining any traction.

      Maz

      November 23, 2016 at 7:46 am

      • he has gotten notably more wacky too, i listened to him talk about wanting to revive the “roman empire” except for white europeans or something, hes one of those wacky panwhite nationalists i think that want peoples as disparate as hungarians, swedes and australians to be united into some centrifugal “white” empire. its some really offputting stuff.

        james n.s.w

        November 23, 2016 at 10:16 am

    • But note that Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow appeared with Spencer at his “alt-right press conference” a little while back. I was a bit surprised. I’m not so much saying that they shouldn’t … I wouldn’t, if I were them.

      Greg Pandatshang

      November 23, 2016 at 10:03 am

  3. To be clear Lion, I know you moderate many of my comments,particularly about Israel and Zionism (which is essentially Jewish fascism), but I also take a lot of heat from Trumpacolypse/Mugabe and others like JS for pointing out not all Jews are Zionists and obviously many jews are patriots and don’t like open borders either.

    Obviously a lot of the alt right is supported by jewish guys like Cernovich, Ron Unz (who gives Steve Sailer a platform) and Trump’s advisers like Miller and Kushner, not to mention valuable from Icahn and co on wall street who are trying desperately to convince the other guys on the Street that Trump isn’t a racist for wanting closed borders at much personal cost to their businesses.

    These people in DC seig heiling were closer to fascists than alt right. Maybe it was a joke. But it was f**king dumb. The alt right is not about liquidation of any enemies. Its not about racial supremacy in the world. Or malicious subjugation of people or wanton unending violence and hatred. That’s Hitler. That’s Zion.

    Trump disavows. I disavow. Please publish.

    The Philosopher

    November 23, 2016 at 7:23 am

  4. If the Alt-Right were smart they wouldn’t have let white nationalism be its face. Or let the media portray them that way. Or confirm that portrayal. They may be younger and savvier than the Klan, but memes are not enough to defeat the left.

    The white nationalist takeover of the revolutionary right has been a disaster, and it wasn’t even necessary.

    The old Dark Enlightenment types could have delivered a more homogeneous state and an end to mass immigration by maintaining a big tent and relentlessly attacking the liberal democratic world order. They could’ve expanded their ideology around the world, to people of all races. This is much more threatening to the leftist global elite than standard white nationalism, which the media can, and apparently have, sidelined as kooks.

    I still hold out hope that the Alt-Right is more about destroying and delegitimizing liberal values, and not full blown Stormfront types. But it seems like young white guys have found a voice and are now venting instead of strategizing, and aligning themselves with old guard white supremacists who talk loudly but have otherwise been politically impotent.

    This is why I think that leftism will eventually have to be defeated by non-whites. And maybe Jews — those of you who aren’t communists, anyway.

    Jason Liu

    November 23, 2016 at 7:24 am

    • I’m reminded of this:

      “The alt-right is not an ideology and it is never going to be one. As soon as guys like Vox are able to create one, it will cease being of any interest to anyone outside it. The reason this thing they call the alt-right works is that it is not an ideology. It is just a long series of inconvenient observations repeated daily on social media and elsewhere. Posting FBI crime stats on Facebook is not the makings of a mass movement. It is the undoing of one. That’s what makes it so dangerous.”

      http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=9018

      Horace Pinker

      November 23, 2016 at 10:26 am

    • I think the Stormfront/nazi strain of alt-right is just a tiny minority. Blogs such as Weasel Zipper and Blazing Cat Fur are very pro-Jewish, pro-Israel. Evangelical Christians are pro-Jew, Pro Israel. These folks tend to be anti Muslim, but clearly Muslims are causing a lot of problems in the world. And though they may bluster, I don’t think they want to put Muslims in camps. They want to stop Muslim immigration and deport Muslim extremists.

      They would like to stop mass immigration from Mexico, too. Some people in Canada would like to stop mass immigration, period. For example in my life time I have seen Vancouver change from an almost entirely white city to a city that is less than 50% white. The huge number of Chinese immigrants don’t blow stuff up, and they don’t mug you, but there are other problems. A lot of the Chinese are very rich and the housing prices have gone through the roof. There is also the general impression that the Chinese have a lot of schemes to avoid paying taxes. For example many 3 million dollar houses are apparently occupied by low income people who pay no income tax. However they take advantage of all the public amenities supported by tax, such as the universities. University of BC, which my parents graduated from in the 40’s, and me and my husband both graduated from, is now 95% Chinese in the sciences and business. This creates resentment.

      Rosenmops

      November 23, 2016 at 11:19 am

      • “These folks tend to be anti Muslim, but clearly Muslims are causing a lot of problems in the world.”

        Muslims are our friends. Muslims have been fighting Globalism longer than any of us have been alive.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 23, 2016 at 11:29 am

      • @Otis

        Muslims are globalists. They want a world wide caliphate run by Sharia law.

        Rosenmops

        November 23, 2016 at 11:58 am

      • That sounds a lot like me, minus the house. If it makes you feel better, large numbers of Asian students keep campuses from descending into all out SJWism/college communism, because those are very white things.

        These days it seems like the Stormfront type are actively declaring themselves alt-right, and kicking out anyone who’s not them.

        Jason Liu

        November 23, 2016 at 5:48 pm

  5. Spencer seems like a guy who is very easily inflamed by “populist emotions”. He’s allowed himself to be dragged from paleoconservatism to Jared Taylor-style moderate white nationalism to ethnically-cleanse-the-Jews because he felt that’s where the crowd was. In other words, he lacks intellectual spine and isn’t much of a leader.

    IHTG

    November 23, 2016 at 7:56 am

    • He’s a media hound who’ll say whatever he needs to say to hold attention. Like Glenn Beck he’ll probably become a liberal housepet within a few years, appearing on CNN and MSNBC to denounce the people he used to stir up at rallies.

      Richard

      November 23, 2016 at 10:52 am

    • Spencer has held extremely negative views of Jews for at least ten years. They were on full display on his old website Alternative Right.

      Lewis Medlock

      November 23, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • Maybe, but as recently as several months ago he wasn’t willing to commit to a Jew-free state.

        IHTG

        November 23, 2016 at 2:51 pm

  6. I don’t think “influencing” the Trump administration was ever the point. For many years their goal has explicitly been some sort of apartheid that probably excludes Jews. So none of your criticisms make any sense. They’re not playing for a seat at the table with the cool kids like you are and they don’t care about Trump beyond how he might be useful to them. They want to shift white culture and ethnic consciousness, which are they successfully doing at the margins.

    bob

    November 23, 2016 at 8:02 am

  7. Disagree entirely. “Stupidity” must be analyzed through the prism of the worldview of the people in question. NPI is NOT the Alt-Right. It is a faction of the Alt-Right. And it is a faction that considers the so called “Jewish Question” paramount. Nobody in the NPI faction of the Alt-Right is under any delusion that Trump is an anti-Semite or that they would ever have any “influence” in his administration. Trump is and always has been a marketing tool to them to promote their ideas and their movement. I don’t think Lion really understands what NPI is all about. While it is true Richard Spencer is famously coy when it comes to discussing Jews, the smoking hot blonde that was on stage with him during the entirety of the conference was Lana Lokteff- host of Red Ice. And Red Ice, to put it mildly, is not coy about discussing the Jews.

    Members of the Alt-Right like Steve Bannon, Steve Sailer, Milo, Lion, and most of the posters on this blog are offended when the MSM calls the Alt-Right racist. But most of the attendees at NPI are offended when people like Bannon argue the Alt-Right ISN’T racist. If you go on Twitter, they are positively ecstatic about the coverage because in showing the salutes CNN also included a ten second segment of Spencer’s pro-white speech.

    Interesting side note: Both of the NPI guys giving the Roman Salute with Tila Tequila are Jewish.

    PerezHBD

    November 23, 2016 at 8:03 am

    • “Interesting side note: Both of the NPI guys giving the Roman Salute with Tila Tequila are Jewish.”

      Somebody please explain.

      Glengarry

      November 23, 2016 at 10:14 am

      • IHTG

        November 23, 2016 at 11:21 am

      • The guy on the extreme left who looks like he walked out of a Wes Anderson movie is an alt right wordpress blogger who writes extensively about the “Jewish Question”. He’s half Jewish but identifies as “European” (no, I am not joking). https://colonycollapsesite.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/my-roman-salute-w-tila/

        As far as explanation, it shows that Jews are industrious and intellectually accomplished enough that even among Anti-Semitic groups they occupy positions of prominence.

        PerezHBD

        November 23, 2016 at 11:26 am

      • The guy on the left looks like the actor Jason Schwartzman. He’s even dressed like Schwartzman’s character in the Wes Anderson movie “Rushmore.”

        Tom

        November 23, 2016 at 12:35 pm

      • It’s a bit like that Onion article, “Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement”.

        http://www.theonion.com/article/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-m-2338

        Glengarry

        November 23, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      • Even the Nazis are Jewish? Jesus. Now I understand why these white supremacist guys are so upset.

        SFG

        November 23, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    • Just listened to a few minutes of Red Ice (I hadn’t heard of it). Dear God it’s pathetic. All they do is bitch about how persecuted they are for being white. They’re worse than the SJW. I am as race realist as anybody, but if your entire identity is wrapped up in identity politics and victimhood as a white person you’re a really shit person.

      Two in the Bush

      November 23, 2016 at 10:30 am

    • I think this NPI conference has permanently contaminated the alt right brand. The media is working overtime to do that, but when a bunch of anti Semitic white nationalists join in, then it’s not worth saving at this point.

      Mike Street Station

      November 23, 2016 at 10:42 am

      • The whole thing seems like Comic Con for /pol/ posters. It’s a total embarrassment.

        Two in the Bush

        November 23, 2016 at 11:50 am

    • evidence for the last sentence you wrote?

      Seth Largo

      November 23, 2016 at 10:44 am

    • “NPI is NOT the Alt-Right. It is a faction of the Alt-Right. And it is a faction that considers the so called “Jewish Question” paramount.”

      I fully agree.

      Lewis Medlock

      November 23, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    • Since when is Lion “not racist”? If you are a HBD blogger you can’t get very far saying “I’m not a racist”.

      Apothecary

      November 23, 2016 at 5:01 pm

  8. This is Richard Spencer and his coterie. It doesn’t say anything about the alt-rt in general. If you want real anti-Semites, you have to go to the Democrat Party or any Humanities faculty lounge that’s close to hand. The Democrats are about to make Keith Ellison Chair of the DNC. Ellison is a real anti-Semite: once member of Nation of Islam; close friend of Louis Farrakhan (like Barak and Michelle); Muslim; supporter of Muslim Brotherhood (anti-Semitic, terrorist); and Communist.

    ROBERT M SYKES

    November 23, 2016 at 8:07 am

    • The same is true of the UK, where the Labour Party is strongly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, in part because its identity politics has resulted in a large faction of pro-Hamas Muslims within its membership.

      The lioncub

      November 23, 2016 at 11:49 am

    • Hahaha.

      That always amused me.

      There’s a contradiction inherent in the Blank Slate – its not based on reality; so why does it assume opening the tent to those that believe in Sharia Law, or Africans that hate gays, or many East Asian communities that have no compunction about making women stay in the house is going to advance its tenets.

      The Philosopher

      November 23, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    • The same is true of the UK, where the Labour Party is strongly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, in part because its identity politics has resulted in a large faction of pro-Hamas Muslims within its membership.

      Blair was also pro-Palestinian, he was just smoother at wrapping his position in diplomatic niceties than Corbyn.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2016 at 5:27 pm

  9. I was just about to mention this when I saw your post. I agree that these people are idiots. Spencer is taking the low road and turning into Duke. I can’t decide whether guys like them are that foolish or just playing to the rubes in the crowd. I’ve always suspected they were hustlers not unlike TV preachers who bilk little old ladies out of their money. Or maybe they just enjoy the adulation of their followers. Or maybe they just get off on controversy. I don’t know. The only thing I’m sure about is they’re attention hounds who will do anything for publicity.

    As for the alt-right itself. People were using the term “alternative right” long before Spencer. It basically referred to people who are fed up with establishment conservatism. This includes a lot of different people with a lot of different beliefs. There is no single alt-right ideology. Spencer is just trying to hi-jack a movement for his own purposes. He may succeed in appropriating the term. But he won’t succeed in appropriating those who considered themselves alt-right because most of them don’t share his beliefs. The only thing he will accomplish is to make people stop calling themselves alt-right. They won’t change whatever disagreements they have with establishment conservatism. They’ll just stop identifying with the term the more it becomes associated with him. This is unfortunate for people like Bannon who identified with the alt-right before it became so closely tied to Spencer. I don’t think Bannon ever identified with what Spencer stands for. But political opponents will try to link him to it anyway.

    I use the term “establishment conservatism” to describe guys like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan. Koch brothers, etc. Basically RINO’s who call themselves conservatives but aren’t. They just control the GOP and hold conservatives hostage. I viewed the alt-right as a rejection of this.

    destructure

    November 23, 2016 at 8:25 am

    • Alt-right *now* means Nazis. Open-borders libertarians would be annoyed with establishment conservatism as well.

      There needs to be a term for soft-alt-right. I think ‘nationalist’ or ‘right-wing populist’ is probably the best, though ‘alt-lite’ works too.

      SFG

      November 23, 2016 at 9:38 pm

  10. “and because he’d have no inclination to on account of the fact that he’s not ‘secretly’ antisemitic like spencer is”

    I have heard that in private that Taylor is a fanatical Jew hater who has a giant collection of 3rd Reich memorabilia. He only puts on a pro Jewish front because he believes that the Jews are so powerful that the only way to white nationalism can succeed is with Jewish support. That’s the rumor, at least. Don’t know if it’s true or not and don’t really care as I am not a white nationalist.

    As for Spencer and his Nazi fest, I think it is harmless. White Nationalism is a political dead end in the US, regardless of how it feels about Jews. It doesn’t hurt Trump or the anti immigrant movement because outside of left wing whack jobs, nobody associates these WN clowns with the more mainstream Civic Nationalists.

    Also, there is nothing remotely “secret” about Spencer’s anti semitism. The guy was originally your typical pro Palestine/pro Iran Paleocon before he disappeared a few years ago. When he came back he stopped with all the anti Israel stuff but it was probably a tactical move, not a personality change. Keep in mind that American White Nationalism has been much more successful ever since they dropped the old school Palestine/Iran stuff and have focused instead on simple racism and pre WW2 style anti semitism.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 23, 2016 at 8:33 am

    • lol i dont believe it, taylor would have to be the best actor in the world if that were true. the usual claim from far-righters is that he is a jewish plant, not a secret anti-semite.

      james n.s.w

      November 23, 2016 at 10:50 am

    • i sat next to jared taylor and a jewish guy (robert weissberg) and they seemed to be really close friends, i believe taylor had him over to his house once and served him kosher wine.

      james n.s.w

      November 23, 2016 at 10:51 am

    • come on otis, if youre going to spread rumours about someone you heard from “in private” you should name names. i can back up my stuff about meeting taylor/weissberg

      james n.s.w

      November 23, 2016 at 10:54 am

      • I didn’t hear it, I read it a few years ago on the blog of some WN who claimed to know Taylor personally and was going deep into his disagreements with Amren’s pro Jewish strategy. The part about Taylor having a lot of Nazi memorabilia I definitely believe, as all WN’s are fascinated with the Third Reich, even the philo semitic ones.

        I also think that however Taylor feels about Jews, he probably plays up his anti semitism when talking to the David Duke set. Kinda like how black guys will suddenly act dramatically more ghetto when there is a bunch of other black guys around.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 23, 2016 at 12:12 pm

      • You know, crazy as it sounds, you can admire the Nazis without being antisemitic–plenty of 13-year-old boys do. You can admire their fanaticism, power, and the way they overran Europe in a few years without having to be on board with their racial policy. They’re evil and powerful and had uniforms by Hugo Boss, and that appeals to a lot of people, particularly marginalized men.

        SFG

        November 23, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    • Jared Taylor is certainly NOT anti-semitic and neither is Peter Brimelow. They are both quote close with Paul Gottfried, Robert Weissberg and other reactionary Jews. Both are members of the HL Mencken Club. About 40% of the HL Mencken Club members are Jews of a reactionary bent. That’s why they are both really pissed at Richard Spencer right now. I think both will disown him to salvage their brand, as they should.

      Vdare is secretly widely followed by influential people in the Trump administration (or at least promoters). Ann Coulter, Stephen Miller, etc. That’s why Peter Brimelow is so upset right now at Richard.

      JerseyGuy

      November 23, 2016 at 10:07 pm

  11. It was an unbelievably stupid move. Steve Bannon is a great guy to have on our side. He is truly a nationalist. He’s not anti-Semitic (look at the current CEO at Breitbart and half of the staff at Breitbart, they are all Jewish) and he’s not an ethno-nationalist. He’s a civic nationalist.

    This is now just going to be used as a way to discredit him. The media is already making these connections, which are preposterous to make in the first place. Plus, it makes Peter Brimelow and Jared Taylor look really bad. Neither one of them are anti-Semitic.

    JerseyGuy

    November 23, 2016 at 8:42 am

    • 1. The media would make “connections” to paint Trump as racist and anti-Semitic no matter what NPI does.
      2. NPI actually ARE anti-Semitic and view the media’s ridiculous attempts to paint Trump as anti-Semitic as helpful to their cause.

      So it is not stupid. Richard Spencer is not chanting “Heil Trump” because he wants to promote Trump or advance his agenda. He is doing it to promote Richard Spencer and NPI and advance Richard Spencer and NPI’s agenda.

      PerezHBD

      November 23, 2016 at 11:16 am

  12. Re the Jews, as you and Steve Sailer have pointed out over and over again, secular or leftist Jews who work in the media are dying out due to sub-replacement fertility rates and are being replaced by Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews are more conservative than most anti-semites. They just don’t understand this. I’ve tried to explain it to them numerous times but they won’t listen.

    JerseyGuy

    November 23, 2016 at 8:47 am

    • Ultra orthodox are terrible in their own, different, way. They’re not much of an argument against antisemitism.

      Magnavox

      November 23, 2016 at 10:41 pm

  13. High-time preference. It feels good in the moment to stick it to the Jews/media, but clearly bad for the movement.

    One must give Spencer credit for creating the alt right brand. Unfortunately, he’s also destroying it.

    R

    November 23, 2016 at 9:30 am

  14. I suspect that what’s going on is that these people are nerdy personality types who find it easy to become fixated with unusual ideas and take them to a (putatively) logical extreme. They enjoy the contrarianness of it because it means that, from their perspective, they’ve figured out the right answer while almost everybody else is wrong.

    I can relate.

    Greg Pandatshang

    November 23, 2016 at 9:49 am

    • It’s probably driven by reproduction as well (I know I know… Everything is a nail and we have only one hammer, but it’s true!)

      They use their contrarian ideas as a way to promote status seeing as how they aren’t on any mainstream tracks within the current civil order. It’s actually the correct strategy from a purely logical standpoint, however the execution will always be poor and the pool of fertile reproductive aged women too small to actually make a difference.

      I myself have been the victim of such logical extremisizing and it’s all driven by the need for an edge over mainstream society to somehow get ahead and increase ones own status.

      OldTimer

      November 23, 2016 at 7:53 pm

  15. A month or two ago there was debate on what alt-right even meant. Who are they? What do they believe? What do they want? Now it just means “Nazis.” The problem is I don’t really know if these morons in DC are truly characteristic or representative of the alt-right or if this is just the lefty press presenting the alt-right in the worst possible light. It was similar with the Tea Party movement. This seemed to me to be a less-government, less regulation, lower taxes group, but the press and the left did all they could to present them as horrid racists. I don’t think that negative Tea Party narrative really worked. But this this sub-group of alt-righters actually does fit the narrative and will finish off the group as a whole, whatever that whole may be.

    steve@steve.com

    November 23, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • The Alt Right means anybody who wants to keep the West white. That’s it. Some people with such views are Nazis, some aren’t.

      Otis the Sweaty

      November 23, 2016 at 11:15 am

  16. Unfortunately, we have a situation now where Hillary Clinton was allowed to create the narrative re the “alt-right.” The label is toxic now and it would be best if everybody just forgot about it.

    Two in the Bush

    November 23, 2016 at 10:15 am

    • The “alt-right” label should be replaced with “populism” and “nationalism.” The media will still go after “nationalism” but that label is more easily defended than “alt-right.”

      Lewis Medlock

      November 23, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      • The parts of the alt right that matter would be paleoconservatism. Maybe it’s time to bring that label out of retirement.

        Mike Street Station

        November 23, 2016 at 3:39 pm

      • “The parts of the alt right that matter would be paleoconservatism. Maybe it’s time to bring that label out of retirement.”

        Paleoconservatism has too much baggage to be used at this point. Although I must admit they were right on a fair number of crucial issues.

        Lewis Medlock

        November 23, 2016 at 4:20 pm

  17. Richard Spencer is a white nationalist. He wants to create a separate white (non-Jewish) country in all or part of the USA. I read an interview where the reporter asked him over and over how that could be accomplished without violence. Spencer dodged the question several times, before finally admitting it would require the violent expulsion of non-whites.

    Spencer represents a tiny minority of Trump supporters, but it is a minority that has been in hiding. Trump’s election has embolden people like Spencer to come out of the closet.

    “Let all the poison that lurks in the mud, hatch out.”

    mikeca

    November 23, 2016 at 10:36 am

  18. Spencer’s a publicity hound who is pretty much the Glenn Beck of the Alt-Right. I have never trusted him. He’s addicted to cameras and has been making a fool of himself for years; how faggotty do you have to be to try to make the way you style your hair (“fashy haircut”) an expression of politics?

    Unlike nearly everyone else on the right in America, Spencer opposed Brexit because he saw the EU as building the groundwork for an uber-white superstate. That’s not the position of anyone with a sense of reality. From what I understand, Spencer’s basically a trust fund kid who never had to scratch for a living, which helps explains why his political views seem so childishly utopian. It’s just a different delusion from the mainstream utopians. Beck dreams of a low tax paradise; for Spencer it’s TruWhite Empire.

    Spencer’s antics seem to be burning down the Alt-right label. Trump disavowed yesterday, and I was listening to NPR this morning and the host was using “alt right” and “white nationalist” interchangeably. I feel bad for those like Bannon who spoke positively of the alt-right back when it was just a catch-all term for everybody disaffected from the GOPe’s movement conservatism. It’s being retconned like crazy while Spencer dances in the fire.

    Richard

    November 23, 2016 at 10:36 am

    • I knew i wasn’t the only one to think that Spencer a) might be gay, and b) is strongly reminiscent of Glenn Beck for some reason.

      Stealth

      November 23, 2016 at 11:53 am

    • Spencer is always hanging around this an gay man named “Donovan”.

      Supposedly their “relationship” is more than just political and it will be another potential scandal for the alt-right to deal with if the media does digging into him and his “friend”.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    • White Nationalism is by far an Anglo-Prole phenomenon, with Continental Atlantic Europeans following second, (with the exception of the French) who have this strange, symbiotic, love/hate relationship with people living in their lands who happened to be different from them. Southern Europeans are more about ethnic separatism, because they aren’t subjected to the multicultural/immigrant malaise, of which Anglos and Northern Europeans often bring upon themselves. Richard Spencer’s all encompassing, White ethnostate would never bode well in Spain with its separatists groups vying for Catalonia and Basque country, and in Italy with its North/South regional divide.

      JS

      November 24, 2016 at 12:15 am

  19. Out of a nation of 300+ million it will always be possible for the MSM to find some well spoken and openly racist person and claim that he is the face of the alt-rignt.

    This is political warfare. It will be continuous and ongoing.

    clay

    November 23, 2016 at 10:39 am

  20. btw, I had an exchange on bloggingheads about this recently that contained this choice bit:

    One Guy: “Trump needs to denounce these white supremacists.”

    a few hours later, I happened to see a news headline “Trump denounces white supremacists”, so I posted the link to that story.

    Another Guy: “Trump’s going to have to try a lot harder than that!”

    and I just had to laugh …

    http://bloggingheads.tv/comment-threads?type=video&id=44501

    Greg Pandatshang

    November 23, 2016 at 10:40 am

  21. Stupid move.

    1950s and before America was pro-white and majority white, but it was not Nazi.

    The two stances must not be conflated.

    fakeemail

    November 23, 2016 at 10:45 am

    • “1950s and before America was pro-white and majority white, but it was not Nazi.”

      The people who control the megaphone (academics, Hollywood, the media) believe that 1950s America was Nazi Germany-lite. It was the dark ages. Schools were segregated, women weren’t liberated, McCarthy was unjustly terrorizing Bolsheviks, there was a lack of diversity, etc. For the elites, all of these defects began to be addressed in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act, the Immigration Act, the War on Poverty, the anti-war movement, the counterculture, feminism, etc.

      Lewis Medlock

      November 23, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      • You are right. The Left’s making *everything and everyone* to the right of/and occurring before 60s into evil Nazis was one of my earliest Red Pills.

        I’m not as entirely appalled on some level by the stupid nazi salute as Lion. For over 50 years, the Left has operated on the strategy of “No Enemy to the Left” which has included outright communists, traitors, and non-whites who explicitly call for genocidal bloodshed/dispossession of whites.

        Therefore, I understand (if don’t condone) whites who find Nazism appealing. Whites *have* been beat up and dispossessed all while their “champions” in the GOPe are the first to cast them out as illegitimate racists.

        fakeemail

        November 23, 2016 at 3:30 pm

      • To be honest, ‘no enemies to the left’ wasn’t exactly true. During the Cold War the center-left actually made a huge effort to purge actual communists after McCarthy. There were even liberal anti-communists like Schlesinger, etc.

        SFG

        November 23, 2016 at 9:43 pm

      • SFG — He did say “for over 50 years”. That would be in the 60’s. Which is about the time the left went off the rails.

        destructure

        November 24, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    • One last point: If Nazism actually does return, the Left has primarily itself to blame.

      It is the Left that has been on vicious attack for decades.

      It is the Left that has called the following people Nazis who are to be ostracized and humiliated:

      -those who oppose open borders and undemocratic demographic change *to any degree*
      -oppose Islam *to any degree*
      -oppose Mexico *to any degree*
      -oppose “free” trade and globalism *to any degree*
      -oppose bilingualism in school and society *to any degree*
      -oppose affirmative action *to any degree*
      -oppose welfare *to any degree*
      -oppose gay marriage *to any degree*
      -oppose transgenderism *to any degree*
      -oppose feminism *to any degree*
      -oppose “climate change” *to any degree*

      If reasonable and well-meaning people are called and DEFINED as Nazi for having any of the above feelings *to any degree* in defense of their own interests, then at a certain point they say to hell with it, I guess I’m a nazi.

      The Left has created this Frankenstein monster/backlash. It’s the old tale of the self-fulfilling prophecy: the Left has hysterically and brutally tried to smash down anything THEY considered Nazi, and in the process assured the rise of the very thing they wished to stop.

      fakeemail

      November 25, 2016 at 12:11 pm

  22. Just plain stupid as a strategy.

    Social battle requires restraint and deception. There is no reason to reveal yourself and your true intentions in front of your enemy. You have to keep them guessing and flailing to pin a bad wrap on you.

    We all know the corporate media is soulless globalist that’s want a dissolution of America’s borders. It obvious but what they say and do. But they would NEVER just come out and say their intentions like Spencer just did.

    Obviously, he’s overly pumped by Trump’s win and time at the gym or something. You never reveal your all cards until you’ve WON, or even after.

    fakeemail

    November 23, 2016 at 10:57 am

  23. I really can’t add much to this discussion except

    1. Hey bitchez, nice to see you discovering something I warned you about months ago and

    2. Listened to Spencer on some podcast and he struck me as not too bright. He recommended a conspiracy theorist named Jack something (I forget his name), so out of curiosity I checked out this guy and he was pathetic. The silliest pseudo-psychic conspiracy theory nonsense…almost New Age.Spencer is a dope.

    But his opinions about Jews are widespread in the alt-right, and please don’t say there’s no such thing as the alt-right, and it’s all just a fun joke. Again, I’m at a disadvantage because I refuse to link to these turds, and “do not link” no longer works, alas. But one of the major lights of the alt right just explicitly named on his blog “The Jews” as THE enemy. Not AN enemy – THE enemy.

    Agree with Richard who said that Trump is just a marketing tool to them. Trump should understand that. At some point he is going to have to scrape this dogshit off his shoe.

    gothamette

    November 23, 2016 at 11:32 am

    • Sorry, still don’t think Steve Sailer is an antisemite.

      IHTG

      November 23, 2016 at 11:44 am

      • Steve Sailer sprinkles his blog with coded anti-Semitic dog whistles that people receptive to them understand, and he allows anti-Semitic comments. What Steve himself believes I don’t know, but he thinks it’s acceptable to encourage his anti-Semitic readers in order to grow his readership.

        I’ve been reading Steve Sailer for almost 15 years, and I don’t think he used to do that (and in fact I looked up to him as a hero for publicly writing about HBD), but maybe he did and at the time I just wasn’t clued in enough to pick it up.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2016 at 11:48 am

      • Best way of looking into somebody’s heart these days – examine their Twitter Likes: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/likes

        IHTG

        November 23, 2016 at 11:52 am

      • I would say Sailer is a paleo-conservative, not really alt-right himself, who is mildly or casually anti-Semitic.

        Tom

        November 23, 2016 at 12:15 pm

      • Steve once called the Holocaust “the greatest crime in human history”. Considering his main employer (Taki) and the ideology of a large number of his donors, that took real guts to say.

        I don’t like Steve and would never donate to him, but he isn’t particularly hostile to Jews. Just very politically incorrect about them.

        Keep in mind, Steve tends to often massively project. He said that the backlash against Michael Vick’s animal cruelty was a result of white America’s resentment of black athletes. Steve assumes everybody is as ethnocentric as he is and it causes him to misinterpret what is innocuous behavior on the part of some Jews as being motivated by Jewish ethnocentrism.

        Otis the Sweaty

        November 23, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      • I certainly agree that Steve has anti-Semitic commenters. I don’t think highly of Steve’s comment threads in general. The buck stops with him for that since he moderates his comments.

        I don’t agree that he engages in anti-Semitic dog whistles himself. Although, the convenient thing about the concept of a “dog whistle” is that it can never really be proven or disproven, so I can’t say I’m 100% sure that he’s not an anti-Semite or deliberately catering to anti-Semites. I’ve been reading his blog for roughly the same timeframe you have, and I still don’t see it.

        Greg Pandatshang

        November 23, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • Lion,

        Steve has written an article about Jews in Taki Mag just a few months ago. Check it out. Its basically my view.

        The Philosopher

        November 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm

      • Steve (who is apparently half-Jewish, raised Catholic) writes about Jews like he would write about any elite group with similar foibles. There’s no particular malice in there.

        Maz

        November 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      • i am also jewish and have been reading steve sailer for 15 years, i think the jew stuff has become more pronounced in the HBD sphere in general. seems to me a lot of th e”alt right” are ex paleo cons or DE people who object to the (of course) prominent jewish role in neoreaction thought via mencius

        dana

        November 23, 2016 at 2:46 pm

      • I followed orders IHTG and found a Sailer “like” that would make Lion’s heart swell w/pride. Yep, Kushner is smart.

        gothamette

        November 23, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    • @IHTG,

      I wrote Spencer, not Sailer.

      Oh wait, you think my unnamed reference was to Sailer? No, no, no. I think Steve has a mild allergy to Jews, and as Otis says, he projects a lot (especially his on and off obsession with Jews and country clubs) but I don’t think he’s an anti-Semite. His allergy acts up and dies down. That’s NOT anti-Semitism.

      The guy was someone else. He’s a bright guy who reads widely, has a good writing style, and his comment cheering squad makes Sailer’s look like the ADL’s donor list. I won’t say who it is, but I might issue a non-denial.

      gothamette

      November 23, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      • Steve Sailer certainly isn’t anti-semitic. He grew up in the heydays of Southern California and wants our elites to look after American society the way Israel looks after its own. He knows that many of the globalists are Jews like Soros (although not all) but understands that Soros despises Israel as much as European societies. One thing he does want Jews to understand is that they aren’t a persecuted minority in America. However, he is a proponent of “Citizenism”, which closely aligns with my views. He would never endorse Richard Spencer’s views.

        JerseyGuy

        November 23, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      • I said 2X that I don’t think Sailer is an anti-Semite, or even anti-Semitic. Enough already. I wasn’t referring to him.

        gothamette

        November 25, 2016 at 2:31 pm

  24. Why do these people get to be “the alt-right?” The Jew-hater infestation is real and I want no part of it, but I’m not playing along with CNN either.

    Also, this guy’s tweet is dumb. Any discussion of HBD is viewed as the blackest evil, so from the perspective of pretty much every public figure the claim of racism is not “empty” anyway.

    Rogal Dorn

    November 23, 2016 at 11:34 am

  25. Advocate: You’re correct, Lion.

    Devil’s advocate: The Jewish political machinery in the diaspora does nothing but give the alt right reasons to be antisemitic.

    Tom

    November 23, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    • Yeah, the thing about the Jews is that they never really came up with a good explanation for why the heads of an obscene number of extremely influential media organizations and banks are Jews. The best they seem to have come up with is to call anyone who mentions that objective fact literally Hitler. I don’t believe there is some coordinated conspiracy by the Jews to destroy western civilization through control of mass media and financial systems, but if I did there would be no shortage of evidence to back up that belief.

      Two in the Bush

      November 23, 2016 at 3:10 pm

      • “Yeah, the thing about the Jews is that they never really came up with a good explanation for why the heads of an obscene number of extremely influential media organizations and banks are Jews. ”

        HBD, HBD, HBD.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      • Kevin Macdonald certainly has an idea or two. And he’d agree with Lion that it’s HBD and in-group strategizing.

        fakeemail

        November 23, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      • Yeah, the thing about the Jews is that they never really came up with a good explanation for why the heads of an obscene number of extremely influential media organizations and banks are Jews.

        1) It’s not that Jews aren’t overrepresented in the United States (Jewish influence is much more limited in Western Europe where the EU leadership is ~90% gentile) it’s that it doesn’t matter if there are Jews in the leadership because Western white elites will do what elite Jews anyway.

        2) You’re chance to limit Jewish influence is gone. The most powerful nationalist in the world is surrounded by Jewish advisors which includes his most senior immigration restrictionist advisor, a Jewish-convert daughter with children being raised as Jews, and who loves Israel. Aside from Trump, roughly 15% of all white gentile Americans have a Jew somewhere in their immediate family thanks to intermarriage and 5% of all white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish.

        With Trump president you can either accept Jews are white or get lost, because we’re quite capable of running a separate American nationalist movement without you.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2016 at 5:16 pm

      • Kevin Macdonald certainly has an idea or two.

        He has an idea how to run the anti-semitic movement, such as it is, that he’s been leading for 2 decades into the ground. With Trump anti-semites have no chance of building a viable political movement against Jews aside from some marginal twitter accounts and blogs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      • A combination of HBD factors (especially intelligence, creativity etc) and Jewish community support would go a long ways. TUJ is a little zealous on issues but often agree with him.

        anonymous

        November 23, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • uh. 1. because they basically invented the media as a business 2. because around the age of explorers we became a middleman minority because usury was forbidden to christians but not jews, so lendign an dbanking were two of the few professionsjews were allowed to engage in. its not actually magic or a cabal

        dana

        November 23, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      • TUJ makes a good point and I would like to add that almost all Jews do not cross worlds with the Alt-Right types like Spencer for one particular reason. Most Jews live in the wealthy, multicultural, liberal centers of the Northeast, and California, which are not strongholds for White gentiles who want their own ethnostate.

        JS

        November 24, 2016 at 12:23 am

      • The same reason 20th century theoretical physics was dominated by Jews. Why doesn’t Spencer et al bitch about that? Because they can’t understand it?

        gothamette

        November 25, 2016 at 2:35 pm

  26. This is so stupid and self-defeating you’d almost think it was a false flag aimed at making Trump look bad, but it’s the real thing. Also, do these conference participants not fear being fired from their regular jobs? Are they all self-employed or something?

    Brendan

    November 23, 2016 at 3:39 pm

  27. Only a tiny number of people at that meeting gave the Hitler salute. Therefore, one could spin it that this proves that “Nazis” are a tiny inconsequential element.

    martin2

    November 23, 2016 at 5:18 pm

  28. I’d never heard of Richard Spencer until a few weeks before the election. However, with a name like “Richard Spencer,” should we really be surprised? It has that Nazi ring to it, don’t you think? It’s right up there with William Pierce. More evidence that how we’re named has a profound influence on our life course.

    This is written almost entirely in jest.

    Stealth

    November 23, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    • He’s been around for awhile. I’ve followed him since 2007. He used to be a paleo-con and was the editor of American Conservative and then Taki’s Mag. He has grown more radical over the years. I don’t think he is an actually Nazi but he is trying to push a Pan-European empire. Looking at how Europeans view the EU, I don’t see how that will ever be a possibility.

      At this point, he has been casted as the next David Duke. His career is finished.

      JerseyGuy

      November 23, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    • 19th century British philosopher Herbert Spencer coined the term “survival of the fittest” and is popularly associated with Social Darwinism, although he never advocated the extreme racism that some 20th century Social Darwinists did.

      nebbish

      November 23, 2016 at 11:15 pm

  29. Let us not forget that most Jews voted for Hillary. Trump owes the Jews nothing but he owes the white gentiles who voted for him everything.

    Joe Walker

    November 26, 2016 at 3:18 pm


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