What does “alt-right” mean?
Until very recently, it was a word seen by a small number of people who surf certain websites.
To me, it meant people who strongly disagree with liberals and SJWs with respect to key issues, but they also disagree with the mainstream right, thus they are an “alternative” right. Pretty simple. Yes, neo-Nazis and Stormfronters would fall under this umbrella, but so would many other political philosophies.
Based on my definition, of course Trump would be “alt-right,” because he’s clearly right and not left (SJWs and liberals HATE HATE HATE Trump), but he’s also out-of-step with the mainstream right, he has been nothing but critical of mainstream right foreign policy such as the invasion and nation-building of Iraq, and his views on immigration are far to the right of the mainstream right (which has basically gone leftist on that issue), and he often says stuff that sounds like he doesn’t buy into the libertarian-pro-rich stuff that Republicans are supposed to agree with (but then some guy puts a policy paper on Trump’s website explaining Trump’s remark that’s textbook libertarian-pro-rich).
The mainstream media has created a narrative that Trump is an evil racist (which is redundant because they don’t believe there is such a thing as a non-evil racist). That the “alt-right” supports Trump, and that the “alt-right” are a bunch of Jew-hating Nazi lovers, fits perfectly into this narrative. I’m afraid that the mainstream media is going to define “alt-right” as synonym for racist Jew-hating neo-Nazis and Stormfronters, and we are going to have to find another name for what I used to think that alt-right meant, but I have no idea what that name might be. Perhaps “red-pillers”?
Lion of the Blogosphere 
Alt right means you want to keep the west white. That’s it. LionOfTheBlogosphere and DailyStormer are both equally Alt Right.
Otis the Sweaty
November 23, 2016 at 11:48 AM
We can’t keep the West white. That horse has left the barn. What we can do is greatly restrict immigration and only allow in people who are educated, and not to many of them. You want immigrants who *act* white–that is, low corruption, high trust, willing to be assimilated into the West. As far as I’m concerned Jews are white.
But since Obama has stopped guarding the southern border, leftists and illegals now think anyone who is against open borders is a nazi, Obama has moved the Overton window somewhat in the direction of open borders. This has caused a lot of people to react strongly against immigration. Maybe the Overton window has been stretched in both directions.
Rosenmop
November 23, 2016 at 1:55 PM
Assimilate Asians and Latinos and America will stay white forever. We can do it if we shut down immigration.
Otis the Sweaty
November 23, 2016 at 2:02 PM
We don’t have to allow ANYONE in. Not immigrants. Not refugees. Not anyone. And we can deport millions of illegals. Millions of anchor babies. And any immigrants who’ve broken the law or mooching off welfare. As well as any who have ties to radical organizations. There’s a lot we can do. I’m not saying it’s all legal at the moment. But I think those policies are in the realm of possibility. Not saying they’re all likely. Just possible.
destructure
November 23, 2016 at 2:34 PM
Otis,
Daily Stormer thinks you and I and Lion ought to be shoved into an oven & gassed. Which they think never happened in the first place, but they think it’s a great idea.
gothamette
November 23, 2016 at 7:58 PM
Nazis: The Holocaust never happened, but we’re glad it did.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM
With rare possible exceptions, Jews in extermination camps were gassed first, and then their remains were cremated in ovens. They weren’t gassed in the ovens.
nebbish
November 24, 2016 at 1:19 AM
Hillary Clinton’s “alt-right” speech, though totally feckless and ineffective as a political campaign speech, unfortunately was extremely effective in shaping the media narrative viz the “alt-right” movement. Whatever the “alt-right” was, or could have been, it is now just shorthand for worthless Twitter Nazis.
Two in the Bush
November 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM
Media would’ve done that with or without Hillary. That’s why I prefer Dark Enlightenment thinking as the figurehead for the alt-right. But too late.
Jason Liu
November 23, 2016 at 6:40 PM
Basically, yeah. Whatever the contributions of Lion and Mencius Moldbug in the early years (or Gottfried and Auster before that), alt-right now means Twitter Nazis. Lion needs a new word.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 6:52 PM
What did you call yourself before “alt right” became a thing? You could go back to “HBDers” – even though that seems narrow now, it’s still the linchpin of it all.
IHTG
November 23, 2016 at 11:59 AM
I agree with this. Appreciation for the truth of HBD is what all this is about, and it’s the only reason I’m here.
My ideal American society would contain significant racial diversity, but with a politics informed and motivated by the truth of HBD. Society would accept the achievement gap and just choose to be ok with it. We would simply ignore it, rather than obsess over it and blame it on racism. Public and private institutions both would aim for “colorblind” policies that treat every individual the same, and respect every individual’s basic humanity and right to participate (legal citizens and residents only).
I somewhat naively assumed that most of the “alt-right” agreed with this perspective, and I am surprised to learn that it means something quite different. I see no reason to fight with the white nationalists over the name, they can have it. It wasn’t very valuable anyway.
Steven
November 23, 2016 at 1:45 PM
This might also be naive, but I don’t see the left having much success smearing the term “Human Biodiversity”. I’ve seen it referred to online as a “racist pseudoscience” but not in prominent mainstream publications. I’m guessing that it is a term they’d rather people not hear. Reasonable open-minded people will hear the term and immediately recognize the truth to it.
Steven
November 23, 2016 at 2:15 PM
John Derbyshire was calling it the Dissident Right before “alt-right” took off. He was fired from National Review for being too HBD aware though, so if he actually coined the term it might be problematic to associate with Trump.
Dark Enlightenment was also somewhat popular, but the name is unattractive politically and meant to emphasize the HBD side of anti-establishment conservatism.
Red-pillers is too associated with the manosphere to catch on, and a lot of people over 40 are going to find it unbearably juvenile.
Richard
November 23, 2016 at 12:01 PM
What the hell does “red pill” mean?
Rosenmop
November 23, 2016 at 1:46 PM
People who don’t believe in political correctness. Male and female are different, races are different, etc.
Jason Liu
November 23, 2016 at 6:41 PM
“Red Pill” is taken from the Matrix movies. Which I didn’t see but I heard about…..there’s a scene where the Lawrence Fishbourne character gives the Keanu Reeves character a choice: he can take the red pill and see the truth, or he can take the blue pill and live a live of blissful ignorance.
The way alt-righters use it, they had a “red pill” moment meaning they finally saw the truth. It takes the place of the old fashioned, “aha!” or “Eureka!” — and in feminist circles this is what used to be the “click” moment.
Yeah, it’s childish. And Morpheus was played by a black man.
Other alt-right phrases include “woke,” “based,” and of course, “cuck.”
gothamette
November 23, 2016 at 8:05 PM
Well, you know The Matrix was released in 1999 when the 40-year olds were in their 20s. They probably saw it and liked it. Might not admit it now, of course. Do you wear, or have you ever worn, PVC clothing?
Dark Enlightenment as a term has something faintly ridiculous about it. Are there capes involved?
Dissident Right … perhaps popular in the NRO offices or something. You expect to read this in a middle brow political magazine. Where are the frog memes, man?
Glengarry
November 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM
Red Pill is one of the most interesting and deepest critiques of feminism around. Basically people who take the red pill, like myself, accept Rushton’s r/K selection. Girls want bad boys for sex, beta nice guy idiots to settle down with (while bobbing head on yon Jack the Lad every so often). Its a horrible truth, many don’t accept fully.
Dark Enlightenment are people that democracy has failed and we need to return to monarchy because people cannot be trusted to make good decisions.
Diss Right to my interpretation is Unz.com more generally. I would say Sailer is the only Alt-Right guy on the site. He got extremely angry after the Alt-Right Hillary speech. He wrote how alt-righties are like the grunge rockers of the right and the Cuck Types, the Bon Jovi types. He’s right in a way.
The Philosopher
November 23, 2016 at 5:36 PM
“woke” isnt alt right, its just a dumb millennial term like “fam”. “cuck” is alt right tho.
james n.s.w
November 23, 2016 at 8:17 PM
Anti-semitic sites use the term “red pill” even more than they use the term “alt-right” so that wouldn’t be a good solution to your perceived problem. I wouldn’t worry about. The most popular of the anti-semitic websites (Daily Stormer) has stopped using the term “Alt-Right” entirely. Labels are fluid and largely meaningless in the modern world. It is the ideas that are important. And with Trump now President, are we really “alt” anymore? Might as well call yourself a Trumpian.
PerezHBD
November 23, 2016 at 12:04 PM
I think ‘American nationalist’ works fine. Too many people of various stripes support Trump.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 6:53 PM
That would be the logical meaning of the term simply based on the words, but apparently Spencer was the one who first started using the term widely to refer to his politics.
Tom
November 23, 2016 at 12:13 PM
John Derbyshire calls it the Dissident Right.
John Foster
November 23, 2016 at 12:14 PM
Even people on the right don’t know what alt-right means, which is why Hillary was stupid to waste time marshaling an attack on it; an attack that gained absolutely no traction.
CamelCaseRob
November 23, 2016 at 12:15 PM
The only feasible direction is to retake the term “the Right”. The usurpers squatting there have no political theory nor popular support foundation to claim it going forward. They can’t be allowed to maintain their claim. It’s they who must be forced to redefine themselves, likely in terms of what they are: liberals.
Tom
November 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM
There are some liberal Jewish organizations which don’t speak for all Jews (even though they pretend they do), and there are conservative Jewish organizations which are ignored by everybody because they don’t fit into anyone’s narrative.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 1:21 PM
I’m aware, and yet I think it is worthwhile for you to make this statement as much as possible.
Whatever dynamics contribute to conservative Jewish organizations not being heard, especially when it comes to criticizing liberal Jewish organizations, they need to change in order to reduce antisemitism.
I’m not stating that this your your responsibility or anyone else’s specifically, but only making a statement as to what needs to change in a central dynamic that informs general non-Jewish, further-Right conservative views of political Judaism.
The current view, in general, is that Jews will not battle one another on the larger political stage (at the organizational level) on matters of principle as they pertain to non-Jews.
For example, alt-Right antisemitic types perceive that significantly large conservative Jewish groups will allow the ADL to batter Whites uncontested. The perceive that this is because either:
a. Jewish conservative groups value Jewishness over principle (and thus would not engage in large scale political in-fighting that would give non-Jewish conservatives Jewish approval for Right wing behavior that does not benefit Jews) or
b. conservative Jews see the effect that liberal Jewish political agitation has on non-Jews and they see this effect as beneficial to them and all Jews.
The recent Jewish Zionist Organization of America’s condemnation of the ADL over their anti-Bannon agitation was the first time that I’ve seen any type of inter-Jewish (large) group political scuffle over how a gentile white is being treated. It was relieving to see. I’d now love to see something similar in defense of organizations that are bereft of Jews and Jewish interests.
The antisemitism would be reduced if significantly large Jewish political groups would similarly condemn the white privilege movement, and other anti-white political agitation and policy on the Jewish Left; just as non-Jewish whites, at the organizational level, jump at the chance to condemn antisemitism.
That non-Jewish whites do this for Jews, but not vice versa, is noticed and this dynamic contributes to antisemitism.
On the non-Jewish Right, we’d gladly go to war with the White Left if it meant the end of their ideology. That’s the spirit of commitment that the alt-Right types would need to see from Jewish conservatives for antisemitism to end. Would modern Jews kill their own to end anything Left of center-Left? If no, then we have a problem in terms of ending widespread antisemitism.
Should Jews, on a large scale, signal that they would be willing to fight one another to the end, if necessary, for political principle, then the alt right’s antisemitic platform would all but dissolve everywhere but in its darkest recesses (similar to how Judaism will never be rid of its theological anti-gentilism).
Whatever oppositional forces naturally remain in the deeper ethnonationalist theologies, my hope has always been that we can agree that the enemy is worse and that, in the spirit of keeping the enemy down, we can work together to build complimentary political nations.
I’m always looking and hoping for that.
Tom
November 23, 2016 at 8:44 PM
Liberalism is the very opposite of being “ethnocentric,” liberalism is placing the needs of the “underprivileged” above your own.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 10:21 PM
Trump launched his political career by claiming that the first African American president was not really born in the USA. He promoted crazy, unfounded conspiracy theories to try to de-legitimize Obama’s presidency.
Trump said that a Judge with a Mexican name was too biased to oversee the Trump University case against him.
This is textbook racism.
mikeca
November 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM
It’s no racist to want to ensure that the President is constitutionally authorized to be president.
The Mexican judge thing was stupid for Trump to say. But it DOESN’T match the dictionary definition of racism (is that the same as the “textbook definition”?): http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism Believing in HBD, actually, more accurately reflects that definition.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 1:24 PM
Obama released his birth certificate in 2008. The state of Hawaii confirmed it was a valid birth certificate. There was never any reason to doubt where Obama was born.
mikeca
November 23, 2016 at 2:39 PM
Obama did NOT release the original long-form birth certificate until April 2011. People had a legitimate right to doubt because the story of his mother’s “marriage” to his Kenyan father never made any sense.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 2:44 PM
The state of Hawaii verified that the short form certificate was valid. The state of Hawaii now only releases short form certificates. Hawaii use to issue long form certificates, but stopped that 2001. You now can not get the long form certificate unless you are president of the USA and ask Hawaii officials to release it to you as a special favor.
After Hawaii state officials validated the short form certificate, there was no reason to believe the long form certificate would provide any different information and it did not.
mikeca
November 23, 2016 at 3:27 PM
The idea that the President of the USA couldn’t get his own birth certificate from Hawaii records was always totally bogus, and Obama did turn it over in 2011.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM
I hope that in a few months, when he is president, Trump can make public Obama’s various university applications and grades, theses and other collateral. But who am I kidding. It’s more likely Harvard has a regrettable fire in their archives than that happens.
Glengarry
November 23, 2016 at 1:52 PM
The Mexican judge probably is prejudiced.
Rosenmop
November 23, 2016 at 1:57 PM
The Mexican judge was a member of a racist organizations called La Raza. It’s perfectly reasonable to question whether he could be impartial in the case given that Trump had made deporting illegals his signature issue. Trump may have phrased his objection badly but his objection was valid.
Questions about Obama’s birth and religion never went away because, regardless of where he was actually born, everyone knew he was anti-American with Islamist sympathies.
destructure
November 23, 2016 at 2:20 PM
“This is textbook racism.”
By the SJW racism textbook, you, @mikeca are nevertheless pronounced guilty along with the rest of us. But the fact that you have shown remorse is duly noted, and you should bring it up at your next parole hearing.
Dan
November 23, 2016 at 6:37 PM
Politics, at its core, is racist for all groups. Crying about racism is merely stating that you don’t want one group to stick up for itself against another racist group. Period.
Second, that is not “textbook racism”. Think harder. Trump was identifying a potential political conflict that could have been based in the judge’s ethnic interest in opposing a Trump political policy.
You people should stop throwing around the racism card. Tic toc. The bubble is popping. It’s time to realize that minorities have the most minority privilege that has ever existed in any nation, and that poking the hive with the stick, to give up ever more honey, is going to get the entire operation shut down.
Tom
November 23, 2016 at 8:50 PM
Yes, it’s unwise to criticize a judge, but the thinking was that the media has convinced all Mexicans that Trump hates Mexicans, and therefore a Mexican judge would be angry at Trump and not be able to be impartial.
Lion of the Blogosphere
November 23, 2016 at 10:23 PM
The term emerged from paleocon circles near the end of the George W. Bush administration. Ironically, the person who probably inspired it was a Jew: Paul Gottfried, who called for an “alternative right” in a speech to the H.L. Mencken Club in 2008. Richard Spencer popularized it with his first website, alternativeright.com. I didn’t visit that site much, but my understanding is that it was a big-tent, “post-paleo” site for right-wing critiques of Conservatism, Inc. It evolved in a white nationalist direction, and Spencer eventually shut it down after he took some flack for things other contributors to the site had written.
Spencer then created Radix Journal. The number of dissident sites increased geometrically, and what was called the “Dark Enlightenment” several years ago provided the intellectual background for the movement. (Those sites include yours, by the way. I’ll bet that you “red pilled” a fair number of people who now consider themselves alt right.) The intellectual movement was then weaponized by the troll brigades who emerged from Gamergate.
I think that the Alt Right could be defined narrowly or broadly. The narrow version is simply White Nationalism and is limited to non-Jews of European descent. The broader version encompasses anyone who 1. accepts HBD, and 2. thinks that the truths of HBD prevent multicultural societies from functioning properly over the long term. (i.e. that Steve Sailer’s “Citizenism” is not a viable solution for America’s problems). Beyond the big-tent Alt Right is a much larger “Alt Lite”, which encompasses HBD people like Sailer and edgier right wingers.
Anon
November 23, 2016 at 12:43 PM
Interesting. I’ve been following HBD blogs for several years and i have never heard of Richard Spencer.
When I first heard the name Spencer i thought they were talking about Robert Spencer. His blog is https://www.jihadwatch.org/
Rosenmop
November 23, 2016 at 2:00 PM
Richard Spencer doesn’t know a lick of Arabic, and yet he becomes an expert on Islamophobia, just by reading the Qur’an in English.
What’s interesting…the Muslims were the 1st group of people to persecute others based on a supremacy ideology, which Europeans and then the Nazis followed suit.
JS
November 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM
Alt Lite probably describes Lion pretty well, actually. I never saw any shame in being a moderate, but I guess it doesn’t radiate that edgy cool.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM
Fun Fact: Gottfried also invented the term “paleoconservative.”
curri
November 23, 2016 at 8:19 PM
Most Jews are privileged, and most Whites who live in the wealthy liberal centers do not care for the alt-right.
JS
November 23, 2016 at 9:06 PM
Unfortunately, you are probably right. It was a good label, short and to the point. However, in any movement which “includes” the neo-nazi nutters, the media will always focus on them to the exclusion of everyone else.
I’m afraid that “red pillers” is going to be associated too much with the PUA/game stuff. I’m sure that “works” for some people, but others, I strongly suspect, are just bragging on the internet. Certainly a lot of people will see it that way. And even when it does work, I wonder about these guys’ true motive is for doing it. From their writings, it’s pretty clear that a lot of them, to put it mildly, don’t like women. So why are they putting all these hours of work into chasing them? Is it for the sex? Or is it for the ego boost? To feel like a “winner?” The risk they’re taking, in getting an STD or an arrest record or worse, is not inconsiderable.
My suggestion is “reactionary,” which is already being used by some of us in the wider “alt-right.” Not “neoreactionary” which will be too associated with monarchism and opposition to democracy. We don’t want it to descend into some narrow ideological club the way “NRx” did, but the general idea will be an opposition to “1960s ideology” of feminism, race-denialism, Balkanization is our strength, ect.
jasonbayz
November 23, 2016 at 12:51 PM
“Reactionary” is a derogatory term made up by leftists to demonize those on the right as backwards and unwilling to embrace progress. Don’t use their words. In fact I’d say leftism is a reactionary ideology against normal hierarchy.
I wouldn’t discount the PUA people. A lot of leftism in the West is borne on the shoulders of screeching feminists.
Jason Liu
November 23, 2016 at 6:49 PM
So what if it was originally derogatory? “Conservative” was seen as somewhat derogatory until Buckley and crew reclaimed it.
I’m not “discounting” them, I’m just saying we can’t use a term where if people look it up, they’ll think it’s about picking up women. Some won’t want to do that and others will think it’s a joke.
jasonbayz
November 23, 2016 at 10:14 PM
Inevitably, if the same label could be applied to an outgroup that includes both Nazis and non-Nazis, the MSM/Left will consider all of them to be Nazis. This is an example of the outgroup homogeneity effect, though they’re amplifying it for propaganda purposes.
Red pill would be a good term for “race realism”. For me, it was a night-and-day transition, the day I went from blindly accepting the mainstream consensus on race to when I started digging just a little deeper and realized it was all nonsense. I suspect many others had similar journeys.
But the problem with “Red-Piller” is that the term has already been decisively adopted by anti-feminism (i.e. r/redpill). And while I agree directionally with a lot of what’s said there, it’s pretty tiresome stuff. Those who make anti-feminism their raison d’etre are surely holding on to some bitterness. It’s also a losing proposition, since half the population is female and the other half almost universally has warm feelings towards at least 1-2 females.
I don’t think you can rebrand the Alt-Right in a way that is both broadly encompassing and that excludes Nazis. You either have to define it more narrowly (e.g., Neo-Reaction, or Game, etc.) or perhaps broadly enough that it could include some people who aren’t really Alt-Right. E.g., anti-SJW, or anti-PC.
Anti-Communist was a good enough label for a long period of time — and it even included Nazis, without necessarily being lumped in with them!
Wency
November 23, 2016 at 12:51 PM
I think it’s already too late. Personally, I gave up on the phrase “alt-right” a while ago.
a) the neo-nazis coined the term “alt-right”. As Spencer admits, of course other people have applied “alternative” to “right” before, but he was the first one to grab hold of the phrase and treat it as the name of something specific.
b) the neo-nazis and the inner layer of those aligned with them are super interested in having a “movement” and/or a “community”. They need a name because they want to be an organised thing.
c) a lot of us have been reading Steve Sailer, gnxp, vdare, TAC, etc. since long before anyone talked about the “alt-right”. Regardless of whether or not they’re a welcome addition to the party, we sure don’t need them.
d) of course the media is interested in telling a sensational story about neo-nazis.
So, I can certainly agree that the media loves the “Trump covorts with neo-nazis” storyline, I don’t think that’s the whole story here.
As far as what to say instead, in a pinch I might use “dissident right”. But, really, if we’re not trying to be something sort of like a political party, then we don’t need a name. The dissident right is whatever on the right dissents from whatever GOPe is saying at the moment. It contains a little bit of many things. If we want a more meaningful name, we ought to be more specific about which ideas we have in mind. It’s sort of like what George Carlin said about American Indians: “Do you want to know what the Indians would like to be called? Their real names: Adirondack, Delaware, Massachuset, Narraganset, Potomac, Illinois, Miami …”
Greg Pandatshang
November 23, 2016 at 12:57 PM
The real implications of race and ethnicity were always utterly central and the essential distinction. This inevitably leads to the subject of jews as a separate identity, and now some people are freaking out. “HBD” and IQ charts are fine, but Kevin MacDonald is an evil nazi.
bob
November 23, 2016 at 1:02 PM
As I said in another forum. They have 150IQ+ people in a room working round the clock to defeat us. They know this is a series of culture wargames. Many are veterans of engagements with earlier left populist movements. Propaganda and controlling information and its interpretation is a professional job to them.
The war is won on many fronts. Politically, culturally, militarily, intellectually etc.
Let Trump do his thing in the political arena. He has enough on his plate dealing with cuckolds trying to tax creditise his policies into neoliberal limp wrist oblivion. Or indeed the brunt of the mass media x100 times anything Spencer’s gotten.
As for the ‘alt right’, the trick to defeat the Globalists in terms of an intellectual/cultural argument is simply to keep spreading facts, not a set of policy prescriptions – the Iraq/Syria/Libya fraud, Snowden’s info, ISIS being funded by Saud, free trade being an economic catastrophe, tax havens, 50% of Americans living in poverty, the heroin epidemic, the rise in homicides post BLM, cop killing, etc . Keep an amorphous decentralised nature. Avoid utopian solutions.
MSM is at an historical low 36% trust rating (Gallup). Their shrieking about raciss is getting old. The NFL ratings are down. The Magic Negro Hollywood movies like Birth of a Nation are tanking. And of course Brexit, Trump and soon France will happen. Its unravelling like we all thought impossible a year ago.
The Globalists don’t control all the wealth, media, and politicians for nothing. They purposefully organise, plan and analyze threats to their power and hire teams of specialists like the so called ‘Godzilla’ of persuasion Cialdini, or various other specialists as and when.
They should always win to be frank. We should be no different to Eygpt or Russia or China or Latin America. In attributes of IQ, resources and social connections alone, they should win. The underlying reality however is that their economic policies cause poverty and anger, they hate their countrymen (unlike China and Russia) and their foreign policies cause never ending war and mass migrations. Even Orwell would admit it’s quite a job warping people’s NARR function to extreme realities like that!
Following this stuff is a hobby to us. To them it is life or death. We know the extent of their crimes against humanity. As Hilary said: “If that fascist Trump wins, we’ll all be lynched”. Many really feel that. That’s why the ‘fake news’ censorship push, shutting down alt right guys on twitter and so on is moving ahead.
The Philosopher
November 23, 2016 at 1:10 PM
They have top men working on this, day and night.
Who?
Top. Men.
Glengarry
November 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM
Most people never encounter someone of those IQ levels, and especially without an autist bent their whole lives. That’s because schizo/psychopath high IQ is selected against strongly by criminal justice processes put in place by other psychopaths/para schizos at the top of the human hierarchy, who simply don’t want the competition. Stationary bandits do not like roving bandits, and even other stationary bandits.
Autists like Buffet and Gates with that level are socially inept harmless dweebs obsessed with objects/numerology who usually go into academia or science perfecting surplus production techniques for Master and his cronies.
The other type like Alan Dulles or Dick Cheney use that more verbal leaning intelligence for more day to day concerns, like smashing populist Alt Right, foreign or Communist threats to the establishment free money, pussy, power train.
Now most of the ‘top level’ guys are not public figures. And not all of them want power. But it only takes a few who do….
One may laugh at my conspiracy theories but if I had that profile, which I do, and the inclination, which I do not – I would hire and corral ‘top level’ guys to figure out ways to stop people figuring out the racket and the Illusion. One of those ways is what Snowden revealed – mass surveillance. Another way is Skinner and Bernays methods in your curated Harper Lee novels, magic negro movies and weepy MLK tributes in school classrooms. And so on.
Take Galileo. Which is not too dissimilar about people bringing up HBD today.
You think the Catholic church went to sleep with the Galileo situation? In the (their) history books we’re told that it changed everything. And science continued the onward march to intellectual freedom….
You think they believed their own Christian camel through an eye of a needle kool aid at the top and were genuinely shocked by his discoveries? What do you think happened to his assistants and people that tried to talk about it in the centuries after? What do you think happened to other scientists digging around astrophysics and related disciplines after? How many books were burned? Or uni admins intimidated?
That stuff happened in the 1600s and people still fought religious wars for another 300 years over bible interpretations. So in my view the Racket was maintained quite successfully.
Because they had smart guys in a room working it through.
There are people today that still ‘think’ the bible is literal!
And there are many other Rackets. But the Blank Slate is by far the most pernicious.
The Philosopher
November 23, 2016 at 5:17 PM
As Hilary said: “If that fascist Trump wins, we’ll all be lynched”. Many really feel that.
It’s not a bad idea.
Glengarry
November 23, 2016 at 1:55 PM
Euphemism treadmill: whatever nice name you give to an undesirable thing, that name will too come to be undesirable too.
A turd by any other name…
JayMan
November 23, 2016 at 1:27 PM
After the NPI fiasco, a lot of the white nationalist types have been doubling down on the term “alt-right.” The civic nationalist, Breitbart types are starting to go with the term “New Right,” because they believe they’ve won the soul of the American right and are no longer a mere alternative, and want to cut themselves off from the antisemitic parts of the alt-right and those who employ Nazi imagery.
It’s really the HBD citizenist types who are having a problem. What if you care about the well-being of black people, but think it’s a hopeless, dangerous cause to agitate for their economic equality? What if you admire Jews, and hope to recruit them to your team? What if you think Nazism was a complete disaster for mankind, you think Stalin was a horrible person and don’t think Putin is a nice guy either? (It’s striking how many antisemitic alt-righters like Stalin now. Just go on Unz.com and you’ll see plenty of articles written by psychopathic idiots who claim that Stalin was at least more moderate and kindly than Trotsky.)
If the New Right completely cuts itself off from HBD awareness, it will become an economically protectionist version of cuckservatism. But the explicitly antisemitic, anti-black parts of the alt-right will spoil the reputation of the rest. It’s quite a quandary.
Sid
November 23, 2016 at 1:39 PM
The fact is we can’t simply disown or disallow anti semites. Let them have their say. Purgin anti semites is what got us into this mess.
People who say politically incorrect things are sometimes going to say politically incorrect things about Jews. It’s just the cost of doing business.
Otis the Sweaty
November 23, 2016 at 1:58 PM
I vote no on “red-pill” – the Matrix movies are stupid.
The Undiscovered Jew
November 23, 2016 at 5:05 PM
The first one was great.
Two in the Bush
November 23, 2016 at 7:02 PM
The first one was great.
Only compared to the sequels.
On its own merits the original was still Bah-humbug. The rest were twaddle, and bolderdash.
The Undiscovered Jew
November 23, 2016 at 8:17 PM
We could call ourselves 1950s conservatives.
The Philosopher
November 23, 2016 at 5:26 PM
Too limited, and negative throwback branding.
I still think “nationalist” will suffice. It means a relatively homogeneous state that places its majority first with a strong sense of social hierarchy. Isn’t that what all alt-right people want?
Jason Liu
November 23, 2016 at 6:52 PM
There’s already ‘paleoconservative’ or ‘paleolibertarian’.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 6:58 PM
To be fair I have little problem with the less-retarded WN’s…
anonymous
November 23, 2016 at 6:17 PM
The problem is that WN has no filter against simple retardation (unintentional subversives), nor against intentional subversives.
I’m currently unsure where to put Spencer’s recent blunder. He’s smart enough that I badly want to call it intentional subversion. If he goes away, and resolves himself to quietly churning out articles out of the public spotlight, I would this once chalk it up to a failure to control impulsiveness under the influence of a lasting emotional high. If he doesn’t, I’d badly want to use it as a justification to start punishing those who think that LARPing their way through this will lead to anything but mission failure.
NS Germany (sorry Lion, but they are the most instructive template) had the advantage of a cohesive racial and cultural community. Today, “White” nationalism’s cultural, IQ, and racial spread is too wide to be able to control individuals who see themselves as a part of it; without a rigid, almost religious, ideology as its backbone that serves as software (and would dissuade the roman salute for instance). The only real advantage that the White movement in the West has, at this point, is that it is deeply embedded in all western nations and thus it would be unlikely that the USA could raise public opinion toward invading Germany or vice versa.
I’m almost sure that the WN movement can’t succeed without better software. That’s evident once one spends anytime speaking with the low level base. No software equals an uncontrollable base and almost certain political degeneration. How can you tell the hammerskin type corps not to act out their political fantasies when we simply deemed that the state will be white?
I’m unsure as to what that software be, or if it simply won’t arrive and WNs are destined to be snuffed out. One or the other will likely occur, in my opinion. I’m hoping that its a compromise.
Tom
November 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM
I’m partial to “Post-Humanism” or “Post-Enlightenment” myself. Although the latter might make you sound like an intentional idiot.
At its broadest level the alt-right is a rejection of European Enlightenment values while retaining rationalism. Things like egalitarianism, the overemphasis on humanism, and their excessive influence in politics should all be thrown out.
Jason Liu
November 23, 2016 at 6:45 PM
Since the major theme seems to be antisemitism on the alt-right, I’ll throw in my 50 cents. Keep in mind I didn’t think Trump could win the nomination or the Presidency, so I’m far from infallible. But I’ve been reading Steve Sailer since 2004 and kept up with the old Alternative Right blog back when it existed, read Unqualified Reservations back when it was active, Roissy before he was a Nazi, and even remember David Alexander. So I’ve been following this stuff for a while.
You guys seem to want to make a white America, and to be in it. (Most of you are willing to let Asians in, I think, but that’s something of a side issue.) Here’s the problem. Most white Americans consider Jews white, but white Americans who care about being white don’t consider Jews white. This could be fought–you’ve got white skin, after all– if there weren’t so many bloody Jewish groups advocating for anti-whitism and the like. Jared Taylor tried to make a white movement that lets you in, and failed. The people who are interested in white nationalism are antisemitic. The reasons for this are kind of complex, and I’m not going to say I completely understand them, but to a first approximation they think ethnically, and what’s the predominant ethnicity among the avatars of PC? Right. The other problem is that the last time Jews went into the conservative movement in a big way, they created neoconservatism, which actually did help win the cold war but then swerved into a ditch with the Iraq War (and support for mass immigration, but this would be less of an issue if the Iraq War hadn’t blown up so badly and discredited the neocons). So these guys are naturally afraid you’re going to take over their movement and drag it in a direction they won’t like.
The rightward limit for a person of Jewish ancestry is, I think, defined by Breitbart. (Solov, Pollak, etc.) They’re calling themselves ‘civic nationalists’ or ‘American nationalists’, and I think this has promise. I’d also encourage you, if you have any worthwhile skills, to try to work with the Trump administration if they have an opening. Show them you can actually help move the cause forward. They’re going to be hurting for talented people given the poor relations the administration has with the old GOP.
BTW, I do believe in restricting immigration, that the USA should pursue its own interests first, and in the value of Western culture (superiority to some extent, though I’m not sure we can say it’s really *better* than, say, Chinese, I want to see it stay here), that blue-collar white people are getting screwed by a hostile globalist elite, and like a lot of you, I’m a halfie. I like white people–I thought I was one until a few years ago, and I’m still not sure I’m not. I just don’t think there’s any place for people like us in what describes itself as the ‘alt-right’ anymore. If there ever was.
It might cost them. It might have cost Hitler the war. But he did get the Jews out of Germany.
SFG
November 23, 2016 at 10:04 PM
“But he did get the Jews out of Germany”
Every Jew with an IQ of 140 has been replaced by 2 Muslims each having IQ 70.
Rosenmops
November 24, 2016 at 12:29 AM
Mixed race people are in a very unenviable position in all this.Tough position.
The Philosopher
November 24, 2016 at 5:40 AM
You don’t need to be white to oppose the values of the modern liberal west. I’ve been doing it all my life.
What’s your other half?
Jason Liu
November 24, 2016 at 9:42 AM
It’s because of you that Ive become acquainted with Alt-Right, Red Pill, Mgtow, MRA, HBD, and other formerly obscure but now mainstream concepts. I came across your former blog around 6 years ago while doing a Google search on IQ. I can’t remember what I specifically searched for or what article I first clicked on, but I do know my worldview has been altered tremendously because of you. A part of me wishes to be ignorant of these concepts because I have to remain in the closet about them lest I be ostracized and black-listed. But i am also thankful for having a better understanding of the world. Happy Thanksgiving!
Bobo
November 24, 2016 at 3:11 PM
I like ‘paleoconservative’. It’s been around for awhile and I don’t really see much difference between it and what is now labeled ‘alternative right’. The problem I have with ‘nationalist’ is that it ignores the growth of the native black underclass and white underclass and the resulting crime and spreading social dysfunction. This comes from their lower average intelligence levels and is exacerbated by welfare programs that encourage poor behavior and have long term dysgenic effects by encouraging more births in this group. Even with no immigration, the lack of ability of the underclass to assimilate to middle class norms will cause major problems for the country as this group increases in size.
Mark
November 26, 2016 at 2:33 PM
Alt-Right is the new fun all purpose label for anyone who doesn’t go along with the herd of cabbage heads and cows of the Gruber voting base. Increase spending and invite the world, the Rich will pay, yeah the Rich. That’s Rich all right. Can’t you see those Billionaires giving Millions to Hillary so she’ll raise their taxes? That’s a Special Kind of Stupid we see here.
Its always racist for White people to see a self-interest and not want to pay for invaders to rape them and pillage their society. The Left is basically a Giant Suicide Cult that doesn’t want you to survive when they die. How else can you explain that they don’t trust the police, but want them to disarm everyone so they have all the guns? Why can’t they just kill themselves without involving us?
Joshua Sinistar
November 27, 2016 at 12:37 AM