Watching the victory rally, it’s the same as his campaign rallies. If people were expecting him to pivot away from his campaign promises now that he won, well it’s not happening. He’s still going to build the wall!
Written by Lion of the Blogosphere
December 1, 2016 at 11:07 pm
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Penn & Teller had day laborers build a section of ‘the wall” exactly as designed, after they were done it only took seconds to breach, and if you can’t see through it then it’s a good place for people to hide behind. We’d need multiple guards per mile just to have a chance of catching illegal crossers, and even that won’t be enough to stop gate smashing runs by caravans of heavily armed vehicles loaded with illegal drugs. The Rio Grande river is more of a deterrent than the wall would be.
December 1, 2016 at 11:45 pm
A little gunfire can work wonders.
December 2, 2016 at 12:09 am
The wall is going to be awesome. That’s what matters (it will work too, but is secondary).
December 2, 2016 at 12:10 am
I guess the Israelis didn’t design the one you’re talking about.
December 2, 2016 at 12:28 am
I’m all in favor of putting the Israelis in charge of building our wall, but that will not be enough. We will also need to hire guards for each neocon to protect them from self-harm when the cognitive dissonance becomes too much.
December 2, 2016 at 9:51 am
Point of the wall is to troll Mexico and Liberals. As a tool for reducing illegal border crossings it won’t do much but who cares? It can certainly be part of a solution that also includes more agents and arial surveillance.
Otis the Sweaty
December 2, 2016 at 12:32 am
“Point of the wall is to troll Mexico and Liberals.”
Exactly. I can’t wait for the “how do we explain the wall to our children?” articles in HuffPo and Vox.
December 2, 2016 at 9:50 am
What! Penn and Teller have declared it infeasible? Welp I guess I’ll have to go back in time and vote for Hillary after all.
“Penn and Teller had some Mexicans try and build a time machine AND IT SIMPLY CANNOT BE DONE!!1!11”
Dammit Shelia now what do I do?
Lionel of the Richiesphere
December 2, 2016 at 1:10 am
Are you familiar with the San Diego border fence? It was established in the 1990s when California’s local/regional elites took illegal immigration seriously. It’s the inspiration for the wall and together with aggressive local/federal policing made San Diego one of the wealthiest and safest major cities in America.
December 2, 2016 at 1:25 am
Well, if Penn & Teller’s day laborers couldn’t do it. . .
What kind of buffoon are you? Have you seen Israel’s wall? That is a goddamn DETERRENT.
It *can* be built and it *will* be built and it’s A LOT CHEAPER than 90% of government boondoggle bullshit and wastes (thefts/transference to parasites) of money.
PEACE THROUGH SEPARATION! The most obvious answer IS the answer!
December 2, 2016 at 1:26 am
I’m a lifetime runner who ran along the Mekong River in 1973 at NKP Thailand, 265 miles from Hanoi. I run and visit my parents in Mission Texas who live 6 miles from the Rio Grande River. I felt safer running across the border from Laos than I do running along the Mexican border, even with a ccw.
December 2, 2016 at 2:28 am
Willard? Is that you Willard?
Walter E. Kurtz
December 2, 2016 at 9:31 am
A few well focused RPG’s should disabuse our smuggler friends of any notions that the US is soft on crime.
How tall was the Penn & Teller wall? How deep?
The wall’s main purpose is to deter mass migration, not to prevent drug smugglers anyway. Drug smugglers are a minor nuisance compared to the demographic invading army at our gates. If anything the cartels at least help separate rich US drug users from their money and spread it to poor people south of the border who use the money in a faster velocity manner on food and shelter.
Did you know Israel has a wall and it works very well?
Also 10 people per mile = 20000 people altogether. That’s less than 1% of the federal workforce (~2.8M) or the military (~2M). It’s $4B per year assuming $200K/person because of 24 hour shifts, pension benefits, etc.
We can’t spare 1% of the Federal Budget on border security? possibly the only legitimate and effective function of the Federal government. Surely you jest…
Maybe we can call on our active duty reservists to take turns doing wall guard duty. Then it’s free. There are patriots who will do the job for free or who will pay you for the opportunity. Maybe this can be the latest fad for the children of SWPLs. Kind of like working as a bouncer at a nightclub.
December 2, 2016 at 3:02 am
Penn & Teller are two libertardians. By their reasoning, prison walls would be routinely breached by all sorts of sundry ne’er-do-wells.
It’s amazing how many people seem to think walls, barriers and doors are somehow ineffective at deterring behavior when common sense and actual experience tells us otherwise.
December 2, 2016 at 3:30 am
The Rio Grande is a dry riverbed or a small trickle you can cross in a pickup through most of its length along the border.
December 2, 2016 at 4:40 am
Smart fences, patrolling autonomous vehicles, remotely controlled turrets, and some response teams… It’s not that complicated to defend your borders and the USA has the manpower and money to do it. If we can do it here in tiny Israel, you can do it there. Also, Penn & Teller annoy me for some reason.
December 2, 2016 at 5:28 am
lol Penn & Teller
December 2, 2016 at 5:43 am
What you just said actually proves the utility of the wall.
(1) It forces mexicans to require better, more expensive methods in order to enter our country – this itself limits the number that can cross our borders
(2) “and even that won’t be enough to stop gate smashing runs by caravans of heavily armed vehicles loaded with illegal drugs.” – You assume that there is a large number of these caravans to make an impact. Now, if such an attempt were made on our wall that would be equivalent to an armed military attack on our country. Do you think mexico is going to risk something as stupid as an armed military attack on the United States?
(3) “The Rio Grande river is more of a deterrent than the wall would be.” – Assuming this is true, this only furthers the point that: a Wall + The Rio Grande River > The Rio Grande River. I.e. the combination of the two is more effective than the Rio Grande River alone.
December 2, 2016 at 6:12 am
Since the wall hasn’t been designed yet, it seems that it was breached, as designed, for Penn’s TV show. Penn is a libertarian who is in favor of open borders. Trusting his wall is as dumb as trusting one built by the Cato Institute, or Jeb!
Mike Street Station
December 2, 2016 at 7:35 am
Who cares? Mexico is paying for it.
December 2, 2016 at 7:42 am
No one thinks a wall is a complete solution. But it’s part of a comprehensive program of border security that includes e-verify, local law enforcement and deportation. When illegals realize they can no longer live and work in the US the flood will be reduced to an easily managed trickle. Illegals cost taxpayers over 100 Billion per year. At a one time cost of only $10-12 Billion, the wall is a bargain.
We don’t need “multiple guards per mile”. We just need surveillance drones with thermal imaging cameras. One drone could monitor several miles and one agent could monitor several drones. Better yet, software could be written to monitor the drones and recognize heat signatures. A handful of agents should be able to monitor the entire border and direct teams of mobile border agents to pick up illegals .
I’ve noticed that whenever someone says it can’t be done what they really mean is that they don’t want it to be done. It can easily be done. Certain special interests don’t want it done for personal, political and financial reasons. Either out of misplaced altruism or greed. But if this continues the US will be transformed into a 3rd world country. In many areas it already has.
December 2, 2016 at 8:22 am
“I’ve noticed that whenever someone says it can’t be done what they really mean is that they don’t want it to be done.”
Yep. I noticed this with my own left-wing father, when trying to convince him to be more pro-white West by taking the angle that the only countries that are first world, with high standards of living, and the kind of social programs he favors, are white countries. The more I tried to argue for immigration control, the more he just resorted to this position of “there’s nothing anyone can do about it, people want to move around, nations rise and fall, look what happened to the Roman Empire. There’s nothing anyone can do about it, there’s no point in trying, that’s just the way life works.” It didn’t occur to me at the moment, but I thought later: that’s certainly not what he thinks when it comes to the fact that the rich don’t pay more taxes, or that we don’t have socialized medicine, or that we’re not doing more about climate change, or whatever. He certainly doesn’t say “oh well, that’s life, nothing anyone can do about it” when it comes to THOSE things. No, in those cases, we must move Heaven and Earth to make sure we do what needs to be done, and it’s an absolute OUTRAGE that it’s not happening.
December 2, 2016 at 10:21 am
“the only countries that are first world, with high standards of living, and the kind of social programs he favors, are white countries”
Japan is like that and it’s not white.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 2, 2016 at 10:26 am
Japan is a great example. Although not white it is homogeneous. The more 3rd world immigration countries receive the less willing they are to tolerate social programs. As they realize it’s merely a giant transfer of wealth from themselves to free-loading immigrants.
December 2, 2016 at 2:22 pm
I don’t think this is really true. It is always been clear that the wall could be built, given enough funding. The question is how effective would it be at stopping illegal immigration. By some estimates half of the illegals in the country arrived legally and overstayed their visa or worked in the USA when they were on a visa that did not allow them to work.
If the wall closes off the land border, immigrants might take to boats and land on beaches in Texas and California.
Requiring 100% e-verify for all jobs would go a long way to solving the problem, but small businesses and agriculture will scream loudly about that requirement. Trump administration seems to be saying they will do this, but remains to be seen how close to 100% the requirement will really be after it gets through congress.
The wall is more symbolic than functional and many people find it offensive. Things like 100% e-verify would be more effective, but small business and agriculture, both Republican consistencies, hate it. I have always thought the ‘secure the border’ and ‘build the wall’ talk was a way looking tough on immigration while still allowing business and agriculture to hire all the cheap illegal workers they want.
December 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm
The wall is one of several key parts of eliminating illegal immigration. Walls work very well, ask the Israelis.
December 2, 2016 at 6:49 pm
“I’ve noticed that whenever someone says it can’t be done what they really mean is that they don’t want it to be done. It can easily be done”
Especially if you are willing to accept that a 50 or 80% reduction in illegal immigrants is a positive thing. For liberals, anything short of absolute perfection is worthless. Except of course when it comes to their own pet causes. In that case, Something Must be Done. Even if it really is totally futile.
December 2, 2016 at 5:39 pm
OK, fine, white or Asian. You know what I mean. But Japan is very different culturally from America and I doubt either I or my father would want to live in a Japanese society, either.
December 2, 2016 at 6:13 pm
I think I’d like living in Japan, if I could speak and read Japanese, which I don’t.
December 2, 2016 at 6:50 pm
It worked in China, it works in Israel, it’s gonna work on the USA. There is just no way it’s not gonna work. You gonna see soon.
December 2, 2016 at 8:59 am
The wall is only a symbol- but symbolism matters. A lower-class El Salvadorian isn’t going to learn about wonky programs like E-Verify, but he’ll see a news report about the wall getting built and will realize that the party’s over.
December 2, 2016 at 9:26 am
Penn and Teller are both doctrinaire libertarians and research fellows with the Cato Institute. For them open borders is not only sound economic policy, it’s also a moral imperative.
December 2, 2016 at 11:35 am
“if you can’t see through it then it’s a good place for people to hide behind”
LOLZ!! And so what? Let ten million of them “hide behind” it forever, as long as they say on their side!
“We’d need multiple guards per mile just to have a chance of catching illegal crossers”
Lol! No ya don’t. Actually, all we need to do is shoot one or two border crashers. The rest will get the message real fast. But since that probably won’t happen, the wall alone will be a yuuugggee deterrent.
“and even that won’t be enough to stop gate smashing runs by caravans of heavily armed vehicles loaded with illegal drugs”
I recommend you stop watching so many movies. It’s distorted your sense of reality.
December 2, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Yes, Penn & Teller built a very convincing wall.
December 2, 2016 at 12:12 pm
That vid is racist.
white girlz for all
December 2, 2016 at 3:25 pm
What do you mean “exactly as designed”? Near as I can tell, it hasn’t been designed yet.
December 2, 2016 at 12:51 pm
Penn & Teller should abracadabra and make 1,000,000 burritos appear in Mexico so all the illegals stay there and eat.
December 2, 2016 at 3:03 pm
First political rally I ever went to. It was only about half full. He did a pre-election rally in the same arena but I’ve heard varying reports about how many were at that one, so I don’t know how it compares.
I never really watched more than brief snippets of Trump stump speeches during the campaign. They always seemed a bit boring watching on a screen and they’re were definite lulls seeing one in person tonight, but all in all it was fairly entertaining. Trump has a pretty good comedian’s ear for timing, so his ad-libs were often pretty strong (especially ribbing the press).
He’s not so good reading from the teleprompter. He has that weird sing-songy style when he does so. Which is a pretty sharp contrast from the more professional politicians. The Kentucky governor was the first one I saw when I got there and he was a pretty strong speaker. Next came Pence and that dude definitely has gravitas (like I think you pointed out when he was nominated). He delivers the very well written applause lines with a stern-faced stoicism that really is effective IMO. I actually find it fairly striking how poised he appears on such a big stage that was probably 10X anything he had previously experienced.
Stylistically speaking, I could see Pence possibly winning at least one prez election if Trump’s term(s) go well. (Have to see if he can become a more trustworthy Trump nationalist policy-wise, though.)
December 1, 2016 at 11:56 pm
Who gives a flying immigrant about the wall? Tens of millions are coming in legally! (per decade)
December 2, 2016 at 1:12 am
There are almost equal numbers of legals and illegals per year. Therefore, illegals are half the battle. Moreover, the groups who want to expand legal immigration and H1B’s are also pushing for amnesty because they know it will help them expand legal immigration and H1B’s. By cracking down on illegals we take half their steam away from them.
December 2, 2016 at 9:44 am
Legal immigration is more detrimental. These people can immediately vote. Smart groups like those let in through H1Bs can become a very vocal and highly intelligent bloc, making the prospect of reducing any immigration that much more daunting. We should push policies that go for the head, not the kind that go for the lizard’s tail. That tail grows back, ya know? Constantly being focused on illegal immigration is like a dog chasing its tail. It’s a weaker position. You start off at a disadvantage.
December 3, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Penn & Teller had day laborers build a section of ‘the wall” exactly as designed,
Well, that’s it!
December 2, 2016 at 1:15 am
Shelia, sure. A 40-foot high wall can’t stop anyone, that’s why the one in Israel doesn’t work. Oh, wait it does work. And the fence in Hungary works too. What nonsense are you trying to peddle? Penn and Teller construction company? Get outta here.
December 2, 2016 at 4:47 am
Trump’s ‘false song of globalism’ speech is the greatest political speech of the last 30 years.
December 2, 2016 at 6:50 am
Trump’s three greatest speeches (and three of the greatest in American history) were his original foreign policy speech back in April (ie. false song of globalism), the Phoenix immigration speech and the speech in Florida the week after the Access Hollywood tape came out where Trump laid out the global order in detail and then condemned it morally and called for its destruction and the return to national governments.
December 2, 2016 at 1:17 pm
Oh yeah that was after they thought Trump was going to apologise to Mexico. Hahaha that was the best. It was even more hostile than possibly his announcement of his run.
December 2, 2016 at 6:24 pm
Trump’s SEC Wall Street Regulator pick might be this crony idiot. Paul Atkins. Even after the fin crisis the guy has learned nothing. I would imagine his IQ must be 110k
Weak cucks like paul, look like weak low T cucks like Paul. Guy needs to be lynched.
That should read his IQ must be less than 110 or more likely his offshore bank balance is more than 110k
December 2, 2016 at 7:43 am
Why not drones guarding the border? Shoot to kill?
December 2, 2016 at 7:52 am
OK, look, here’s the thing about the wall. the US-Mexico border is 1,989 miles long. We’re not going to build a wall that’s 1,989 miles long but there isn’t a constant stream of people going through 1,989 miles. There are certain areas that are hot spots. Build a wall, or a barrier, in the hot spots. Surveil them electronically (and with drones).
Building a wall in the hot spots will force people into the more difficult areas, which can be monitored by air and land patrols. Those difficult areas are absolute killers. Have you ever been to the US/AZ border? Not very pretty.
Now, these are just some ideas off the top of my head, and I’m no security expert. So get some security experts in.
Penn and Teller are left wing slime. They’re not as smart as they think they are.
This is a problem that can be solved. The thing is, ever since Bill Clinton, we’ve been inviting them in, and that most emphatically includes George “Doofus” Bush.
There’s also the matter of shaming the state governments into helping. I know that the AZ governor Jan Brewer wanted to crack down, and Obama cut her to shreds publicly, which is when I started to despise him. Rick Perry, I think, has always been worse than a cuck. He’s an out and out traitor. I think he just let ’em pour over the border. Republicans like him are worse than Sanders/Warren Democrats.
December 2, 2016 at 8:01 am
Bah, it’s trivial.
Poor Hungary, whose GDP is less than 1% of ours, built an awesome 325 mile wall in months. It stopped their illegal invasion cold. Their wall is 13 feet high and topped by razor wire. It cost 30 billion forints or 100 million dollars. At that rate, our wall would cost 612 million dollars or .000036 of our GDP.
I presume our labor costs are higher but the materials cost would be the same.
But why make an ugly thing like that. We should model ours on the Vatican’s big beautiful wall. Pope Francis no doubt would be honored that would follow their terrific design.
December 2, 2016 at 10:13 am
Pope Francis doesn’t even like the Vatican. He has chosen to live in a guesthouse rather than in the papal apartments of the Apostolic Palace. I guess he doesn’t want to be able to be accused of putting himself above the poor, just like these conservatives who are always trying to make themselves look non-racist thinking they’re going to get “credit” from liberals for it. What a cuck.
A few years back, I was watching one of the those prison tv documentaries. They mentioned that the cost of a prison wall, with the barbed wire and the reinforced concrete ia about $1,000 per linear foot. So, 1,989 miles times 5280 feet is 10,501,920 feet. Times $1,000 is roughly $10.5 billion. So, that is what it would cost to build a wall of the quality surrounding a maximum security prison.
December 2, 2016 at 3:51 pm
$10.5 billion is easily affordable.
December 2, 2016 at 6:47 pm
$10.5 BN is chump change, but as I said, it’s not going to be a 1,989 mile wall. Parts of the border are truly impassable.
The whole thing is utter bullshit – if we wanted to stop them, we could have. If we want to, we can. Traitors like Rick Perry didn’t want to. Obama didn’t want to. In the next eight years, we will be talking of little else than that the demography of the US was changed without our consent. This will be horrible. Will there be civil war?
December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm
Building a wall in the hot spots will force people into the more difficult areas, which can be monitored by air and land patrols. Those difficult areas are absolute killers. Have you ever been to the US/AZ border? Not very pretty.
The wall’s length doesn’t have to be exactly 1,989 miles. But it should still be over 1,400. The parts that don’t need it are presumably ravines, swamps, and generally impassable.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 2, 2016 at 7:13 pm
As of 2010, the border is guarded by more than twenty thousand Border Patrol agents, more than at any time in its history. However, they only have “effective control” of less than 700 miles (1,100 km) of the 1,954 miles (3,145 km) of total border, with an ability to actually prevent or stop illegal entries along 129 miles (208 km) of that border. “
Pathetic. Fucking pathetic.
There are an estimated half a million illegal entries into the United States each year. Border Patrol activity is concentrated around big border cities such as San Diego and El Paso which do have extensive border fencing. This means that the flow of illegal aliens is diverted into rural mountainous and desert areas,
We know exactly where they are. If we can kill raghead terrorists in caves, we can figure out where illegals are crossing.
The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed providing for the construction of 700 miles (1,100 km) of high-security fencing. Attempts to complete the construction of the United States–Mexico barrier have been challenged by the Mexican government and various U.S.–based organizations.”
That’s not the reason why the barrier hasn’t been built. It hasn’t been built because until now we’ve been run by a traitor.
The wall will be built, and it will work. We’ll have a welcoming committee for the Sinaloa drug cartel when they try to build another tunnel. For now we’ll pour lava into the one that already exists.
December 2, 2016 at 8:54 pm
For now we’ll pour lava into the one that already exists.
Now you’re thinking.
December 3, 2016 at 11:41 am
I forgot to modify the word “lava” with the adjective “molten.”
How come I never knew about this?
December 3, 2016 at 6:07 pm
Actually there are many tunnels. I didn’t know this. I’m even more disgusting w/Obama now than I was before.
December 3, 2016 at 6:14 pm
And he’s doubling down on trade and helping the rust belt! It’s awesome!
December 2, 2016 at 12:15 pm
Not necessarily. Globalization and automation are natural forces that are here to stay. Trump can’t do much on that front beyond rhetoric. More importantly, Trump may focus on trade at the expense of not giving enough attention to the infinitely more important task of the destruction of the immigrant community.
December 2, 2016 at 1:24 pm
Trump can balance trade. That is the goal. Keeping wealth and capital investment in America. Exactly how many more jobs that translates into is a different question.
December 2, 2016 at 2:35 pm
OT: The New Yorker just pulled the rug out from under the “fake news” and “russian propaganda” nonsense.
Lion, it may be a pretty violent weekend in America. The Michael Slater jury is hung and there is going to be a mistrial. Bruthaz gonna start sum Sheeiit…
December 2, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Not if old man winter has any say in it. Or is that North Dakota?
December 2, 2016 at 4:34 pm
What is it with libertarians and ponytails? That and using briefcases in high school. Surely everyone has noticed the pattern by now?
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