Lion of the Blogosphere

Russian propaganda story is fake news

New Yorker Magazine has an article about how the stories last week about Russian propaganda are a misinformation campaign by a shadowy organization.

Yes, borderline fake news.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 2, 2016 at 2:53 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Clearly there was a group who wanted to censor news that didn’t come through Big Media. It was wise for the New Yorker to pull the rug out from under it before it got too big. Because the claims wouldn’t have held up and discredited the MSM even more for having pushed it.

    My two questions are 1) “Who was behind the effort?” and 2) “Will Big Social continue censoring news sites on their list?” If Big Social continues to censor news sites then I’d suspect they were behind it. I’d also suggest that if they continue censoring news sites then they accomplished their goal. Which was merely to create a pretext for censorship. The New Yorker debunking the claim is no victory if Big Social continues censoring news sites.

    To summarize: Create the pretext for censorship. Use the pretext to establish censorship. Remove the pretext before it blows up in their face. Continue to censor the sites. That was probably their plan all along.

    destructure

    December 2, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    • Russian propaganda story is fake news

      And now for the real news:

      Rifleman

      December 3, 2016 at 7:21 am

      • I’m suddenly worried about Kanye. Trump has turned the world upside down!!

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 11:30 am

    • @destructure,

      “If Big Social continues to censor news sites then I’d suspect they were behind it”

      I hate to say this, but this sounds like classic ADL tactics. They are the grand daddy of smear job artists. It used to be that if you said anything remotely anti-Israel, you were an anti-Semite.

      I support Israel 1000%, but I always hated that.

      gothamette

      December 3, 2016 at 11:42 am

  2. If Trump is a Kremlin spy, why is he seriously considering Romney for SoS, who spoke out against Russian foreign policy in 2012?

    Sid

    December 2, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    • Trump may be president but he won’t get his agenda through congress if he doesn’t build some bridges. And the GOP only has 52 senators to start with. Which means it will only take a couple to derail his agenda. He’s got to throw them a bone.

      destructure

      December 2, 2016 at 9:23 pm

      • Why not throw boned to Democrats?

        Magnavox

        December 3, 2016 at 4:36 am

      • “Trump may be president but he won’t get his agenda through congress if he doesn’t build some bridges”

        And one great big beautiful wall!

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 11:43 am

  3. what’s the deal with this China stuff? Left is losing their shit but it seems like it’s all a big nothing.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 2, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    • What China stuff, clue us in.

      I can’t keep up – I’m paying attention to left losing their shit over the Carrier deal.

      Also, is there anything whatever to the #pizzagate scandal? I think most of it is on the level of alien abduction and satanic ritual conspiracy garbage, but the owner of that pizza place was the former lover of David Brock, and some of the photos of him and kids are downright sick. (He’s removed them from his Instagram account, move along, nothing to see here.)

      gothamette

      December 2, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      • I posted a video on this blog earlier in the week. My suspicion, is that it is indeed a slam dunk paedophile ring, not dissimilar to the one uncovered in Britain around ex-PM Edward Heath and the one uncovered (and silenced) in Franklin, Nebraska around George H W Bush.

        The Philosopher

        December 3, 2016 at 3:57 am

      • “Also, is there anything whatever to the #pizzagate scandal? I think most of it is on the level of alien abduction and satanic ritual conspiracy garbage”

        I watched the videos that were posted on this site, and my feeling was that what it does show is that young, white Democrats Leftist activists are often either homosexual or hipster types, both of whom enjoy joking about things that others may find disgusting, and whom often enjoy things like occult imagery, precisely because they define themselves against conservatives and Christians and enjoy the sense of being more liberated than them. And in the case of homosexuals there probably is indeed an affinity with paedophiles and a certain amount of crossover with their world that they normally keep well hidden from mainstream society, so that when people not of their world look at their ‘private’ instagram or facebook posts it could indeed look like they’ve stumbled across a child sex ring. It was worth bringing to public attention, but not in the way that it has been.

        But the idea that there is an actual ring linked by secret tunnels to pizza shops leading to the White House really is to crazy to be true. Why would people risk exposure by openly using their symbols in public, putting weird pictures on their pizza shop walls, posting pictures of their torture chambers openly on instagram, etc.

        prolier than thou

        December 3, 2016 at 4:07 am

      • Gothamette,

        Pizzagate is horrific. I think this will eventually break into a major, major story that will bring down at least one political party.

        It is a very strong indicator as to why the Democratic Party seems to be so obsessed with homosexuality, fringe groups, trannies in bathrooms, and various paraphelias. It’s a party of sociopaths who keep each other in line through mutually destructive information: pedophilia with the currency being child porn. The primary goal of the Democratic Party is to eventually normalize pedophilia, both because they like having sex with children and because they want to get out from under the blackmail.

        Child porn is the perfect blackmail for sociopaths, since prison for a pedo is a death sentence. Thus, we get the Epstein Island scandals. We have wars that create lots of orphans around the word. We have charities that place these orphans in orphanages. We have lots of human trafficking moving children from place to place. I would not be surprised if there is medical experimentation going, beyond the usual disposal of bodies and other evidence.

        I wonder if the art market plays a role in this. You have some painting being sold for $100 million dollars and put in a vault in Switzerland. Possible money laundering or maybe the artwork is an indicator and currency for something else being traded by an interested and important party.

        This is probably the deepest, darkest rabbit hole on the planet.

        map

        December 3, 2016 at 4:58 am

      • “I think this will eventually break into a major, major story that will bring down at least one political party.”

        I doubt that. The only way that anything will ever come out (sorry) is by accident, or perhaps by Wikileaks. The Russians won’t help us.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm

      • Yes Map

        I think prolier than thou brings up an interesting narrative, were it not for the fact the wikileaks emails reveal, the perpetrators talk about this activity in code, inferring criminal actions and not just an inside joke that never gets old.

        Nobody normal says they are bringing “kids for your entertainment” or even makes a point of making note that children will be at the party.

        Or has paintings of a satanic child abuse survivor in their business depicting horrific abuse of children.

        Nobody.

        The owner of the pizza shop is the no.1 guy for prosecuting child trafficking in the DOJ.

        Its a slam dunk.

        It’s not even debatable. Podesta is going to turn up floating down a river eventually. I remember Franklin. The testimonies of the British satanic paedo ring have similar stories to those depicted in those paintings. If I saw any of these people on the street I’d reach for a blunt object. They’re beyond prison sentences now.

        The Philosopher

        December 3, 2016 at 10:31 am

      • “Its a slam dunk.” LOL, hardly. Look up the murder of Robert Wone. That was a slam dunk, and the DC police managed to screw it up. Plus they had a brain dead (probably corrupt and compromised) judge. No one was ever convicted.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      • A corollary is: why paedophilia is so rampant in the elite levels of Hollywood and politics?

        Perhaps the politicians are chosen based on blackmailable personalities and interests….

        But I suspect homosexuality is quite more apparent in the upper classes (owing to feminised upbringings), meaning a good chunk of these people end up touching boys.

        The Philosopher

        December 3, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • I think it’s more pederasty than pedophilia.

        I also think that Comet was probably a huge gay pick up place.

        Hillary was surrounded by gay men.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 3:14 pm

      • I’m with Prolier here. I think it’s transgressive behavior and left wing trolling. But that’s bad enough. There are photos of some of the hipster customers posed very suggestively with small kids, and there were porny pics on the walls of the pizza shop.

        But, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the owner of Comet had a stable of twinks and chickens on his leash. I wish I didn’t know what twink and chicken meant, but I do. Those boys tend to be legal, but barely so.

        The whole lot is loathsome.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 11:39 am

      • I imagine customers weren’t going there for just pizza though. Well maybe ‘pizza’ and ‘pasta’.

        That might explain the customer pics – they are paedophiles too.

        If it is joking….how on earth are Kim Noble’s pictures funny?

        The Philosopher

        December 3, 2016 at 1:45 pm

      • I think the place was a gay hangout, and for hipster “gay friendly” straights. I don’t want to go down the full #pizzagate mode because there were a lot of hysterical pedo accusations made in the early 90s that turned out to be nonsense.

        Google Margaret Kelly Michaels. It was all made up nonsense.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      • At one level are the virtue signaling drones, at another level are the deviants looking for a tight fit, and really, if one is willing to bugger an 18 year old, what moral proscriptions does he (or she) follow that say’s a 10 year old is off limits?

        The Level that matters is a Luciferian cabal that has always existed but has grown exponentially in power over the last 40 years, maybe earlier, MK Ultra started up in 1953 thereabouts. You can dismiss that as moral panic but the promotion of transexuality in and of itself speaks volumes about people who are smart enough to know better and demonstrate a remarkable callousness towards others who need rescue from unseen things. Once one goes down this particular rabbit hole, it all starts to click not the least of which is the embrace of the gutter religion islam. Children disappear, sometimes estranged parents aren’t involved, CA and VA seem to have numbers greater than their populations would suggest.

        It doesn’t matter if one considers all that as nonsense, what matters is whether the people who wear Royal Purple at a concession speech believe that and what lengths they will go in service of that belief.

        2 Minutes Alpha

        December 4, 2016 at 9:48 am

      • Have a look at this:
        http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/20/kiah-lawson-terry-bean-human-rights-campaign-gay-sex-obama-prison-column/70021560/?utm_campaign=crowdfire&utm_content=crowdfire&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

        (Not sure if that link will work, it’s a twitter referral…..)

        I had heard of the story a couple of years ago and figured it would be squashed, as these things usually are when they involve a high level pol, esp. Democrats. But not this time.

        I really hope the Trump Admin is an era of complete “let it all hang out” swamp draining, in more places than just DC. I want a revolution. Now.

        gothamette

        December 5, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • Oops, my bad. The story is from two years ago, and indeed Bean beat the rap. I just saw it on Twitter and thought something new had happened and didn’t check the date.

        The judge threw out the charges. It’s very difficult to convict a well connected man.

        gothamette

        December 5, 2016 at 9:24 am

    • I didn’t know until you mentioned it, so I did some twitter-sleuthing. Seems that Trump spoke w/the President of Taiwan. Kerfuffle ensues. Trump tweets, “Obama sold them $2BN in weapons.”

      Duh.

      Meanwhile the left lost its shit over Carrier. They really are in a pathetic disarray!

      gothamette

      December 2, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    • I’m a lefty myself, but I find it odd how nearly all liberals hav hade a knee-jerk negative reaction about Trump talking with the president of Taiwan. It seems they are all suddenly are experts on diplomacy and are certain China is now pissed and will possibly retaliate militarily. Perhaps other people more knowledgeable about the issue can provide some non-biased feedback

      Bobo

      December 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm

      • I’m no expert, but from casual observation I sense that mentioning Taiwan is a taboo subject for the mainland gov’t, sort of like a religious tenet. Taiwan is seen as a wayward province that will eventually be brought back into the fold, so the mainland doesn’t want any complicating factors, such as them being recognized as a separate country.

        bomag

        December 3, 2016 at 7:02 am

      • Taiwan is to the Chi-Coms as the PLO was to the Israelis in 1974. Except that the PLO really did harm Israel whereas Taiwan is like a gnat to the Chinese elephant.

        Fuck China. The PEOTUS speaks to whomever he wants. The left is covering themselves in even more batshit, to follow their tantrums over #dinnergate and Carrier.

        gothamette

        December 3, 2016 at 11:36 am

    • Gothamette,

      ” I don’t want to go down the full #pizzagate mode because there were a lot of hysterical pedo accusations made in the early 90s that turned out to be nonsense.”

      Large pedophile rings are getting busted all over the world. One just got pinched in Norway. There is a lot more here going on.

      Besides, I care less about it being true than I care about seeing them deny it.

      map

      December 4, 2016 at 12:53 am

      • But I bet the rings that got busted didn’t leave public hints about what they were doing in a pizza restaurant.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 4, 2016 at 9:09 am

  4. Its censorship.

    Now an interesting question is whether one of these websites/publications takes Google/FB to the supreme court.

    Its obviously a clear breach of 1st amendment.

    But my take is, the court, being establishment and some members having videotapes of them touching children, will find some semantic argument to allow censorship…in the same way bribery is ‘free speech’.

    Judges have offshore bank accounts and kiddy tapes.

    That’s why we have referendums, Napoleonic code and democratically elected officials whenever possible kids.

    The Philosopher

    December 2, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    • The fact Unz.com is labelled a ‘fake news’ site also shows how decripit it is. Ron has left, right, libertarian, alt right viewpoints from former elected officials, eminent scientists (including himself), ex-presidential candidates and former MSM editors. Its a joke.

      The Philosopher

      December 2, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      • In what sense is Ron Unz a scientist, let alone an eminent one?

        Lowe

        December 3, 2016 at 12:22 pm

      • He’s a theoretical physicist with published papers that ran for office in California, changed Cali’s education law, set up a multimillion analytics company and has many friends in the scientific community. His essays on Harvard admissions, crime, and the Illusion are hallmark works in sociology as well.

        The Philosopher

        December 3, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  5. The New Yorker is at the epicenter of Donophobia and liberal retardation. How did this objective, factual article that leans slightly pro-Trump get past the editors?

    Mark Caplan

    December 2, 2016 at 8:14 pm

  6. PropOrNot literally included Lewrockwell.com, Drudge Report, and RonPaul.com on their list of Russian propaganda outlets. Ron fricking Paul.

    Two in the Bush

    December 2, 2016 at 10:09 pm

  7. What does our Chinese American commenter Jason think about the Trump/Taiwan thing? Do you feel like Trump has insulted your motherland?

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    • Trump probably intended to stick it to the PRC, which I think is a misguided shift from Russia-as-archrival to China-as-archrival. This trend is being fueled by Infowars and the like. See my comment in the next thread as to why I disagree.

      Jason Liu

      December 3, 2016 at 9:12 am

  8. I have more trust in the overtly liberal New Yorker than the NYT. The NYT/WaPo/etc are mouth pieces. The lack of disclosure by the NYT that Carlos Slim owns much of it in any articles on Mexico is damming.

    JW Bell

    December 2, 2016 at 10:38 pm


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