Lion of the Blogosphere

Westworld season 1 finale

There are lots of articles on the web by people who have been paying closer attention than me and think they understand what happened, but I’m not sure it really made any sense.

Supposedly Ford agreed with dead Arnold’s believe that the robots hat sentience and therefore should be free and not the playthings of humans. But it seems that everything the robots did in this episode was actually a “narrative” programmed by Ford, so I don’t see the sentience.

The part that most disappointed me was when Maeve got out of the train. I thought I was finally going to find out what was beyond Westworld (which we now know is big enough in area to include an ocean), but that rug was pulled out from under me.

I have a theory I haven’t seen anywhere else, which is that we the people of planet Earth are actually Westworld, or rather what Westworld eventually becomes. We are all robots who think we are human. The real humans live on some other planet.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 5, 2016 at 8:38 pm

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  1. Was garbage to include an ocean. All the locations except the Ocean were along the Colorado River in Grand County, Utah. It really looks just like that. But there hasn’t been ocean there in millions of years (lots of fossil oceans, but no current ones within 800km).

    owentt

    December 5, 2016 at 9:05 pm

  2. Whole series has kind of been a mess. When Bernard was reading Maeve’s narrative she rips it out of his hands just as he in retrospect was telling her she was going to come back to the park. Why did Ford create a narrative where the entire board and guests are killed? Who is being entertained by that from a park perspective? Where they all hosts to begin with? Are people now going to book tickets to be immersed in this whole robot revolution story? How come nobody will fix the Armenian chick with nice tits? They can build entire lifelike androids from scratch but can’t put a new brain in her?

    PerezHBD

    December 5, 2016 at 9:12 pm

  3. Ford considered the androids sentient and sought to liberate them by programming them to massacre the company’s major shareholders. While programming them to massacre the shareholders certainly wasn’t an expression of free will, they would have never been free as long as humans continued to program them and do “rollbacks”. Getting rid of the humans was the only way for them to be free.

    I don’t think there’s enough information to deduce what’s going on beyond what’s been shown. I think that’s deliberate. It does seem strange for Westworld to be so large. Also strange that Ford would think the rest of the humans would allow a nation of renegade androids. That does suggest another planet; a theory popularly debated on fan sites.

    Jonathan Nolan was asked about it earlier in the season and dodged the question. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s another planet. But he’s definitely trying to keep the nature of the outside world a mystery. Perhaps he’ll explore the outside world later on. Or perhaps he doesn’t want to ruin the “magic” of Westworld by bringing the outside world into it.

    destructure

    December 5, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    • One thing to consider is that Ford’s final “narrative” essentially set up the plot line to the original Westworld. You now have a small group of humans (William, the annoying British guy, the bulking Australian security guy kidnapped by the Indians, the two idiot lab techs, and presumably the cute assistant who disappeared at the cabin) stuck in a park of rampaging robots. So I guess that will be what Season 2 is. Humans tying to escape park. Also kind of Lost-ish so makes sense given who is Executive Producer.

      PerezHBD

      December 5, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    • Ford expects the robot attack to be a suicide mission, but still worthwhile because the hosts’ existence is a fate worse than death. It’s discussed in the episode.

      snorlax

      December 5, 2016 at 11:30 pm

      • I reviewed the scenes where Ford is explaining to Delores and Bernard. And I saw no indication that he expects the uprising to be a suicide mission. On the contrary, just before the uprising he tells the audience that the story “begins with the birth of a new people, and the choices they’ll have to make and the people they will decide to become.”

        destructure

        December 6, 2016 at 1:13 am

  4. What the hell are you talking about?

    Yakov

    December 5, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    • Yakov – every year there are several “Binge watching” productions put out – Westworld is one of them (you , as a normal human being who puts the media in proper perspective, might think there is only one every few years – the Sopranos, Lost, Gilmore Girls, that sort of thing – but the way it now works is there are about ten thousand industry people putting out these things, year after year). The point of Lion’s comment is that the specific people working on the Michael Chrichton derived WestWorld ended the season with an interesting but confusing state of events, and Lion may have posted his comment because there is an interesting question here – do the people who have made money off this specific “binge watching” production (Westworld) know what they are doing, as evidenced by the way the plot stands at the end of one year? If you ask me, the Sopranos ended great (under the Members Only guy interpretation – don’t look that up if you do not want spoilers – and Lost ended even better – no comment on the Gilmore Girls) – but most “binge watching” productions are helmed by fairly clueless rich people who know how to entertain and how to tell a story that people will want to watch … but … who do not have the moral or aesthetic values that are needed to end a series or a season in a civilized and self-respecting way. Well even if they do not know what they are doing it is still interesting to talk about if you have watched it. That, I think, is what is being talked about – that being said, I am wrong about a lot of things and might be wrong about this, too.

      howitzer daniel

      December 5, 2016 at 10:18 pm

      • Thanks for the explanation. I’ve only heard of Sopranos. Who has the time to watch all this? Amazing. This is a waste of life. IMO.

        I’ve read about a steam heating system from before the Civil War that still works perfectly. Saw the pics and it’s real, mates. A doctor lives in the house, so it’s not some dump. I’m not a plumber, but I’m getting into this stuff and this is so much more interesting. These movies are a waste. A total waste. I would think that you have to be pretty low IQ or pretty depressed to watch them.

        Yakov

        December 6, 2016 at 7:27 am

      • “Binge watching” is not always as bad as you make it sound. I used to watch, on Saturday nights, two or three DVD episodes in a row of Star Trek Next Generation with my then-girlriend, it was good background for those hours where you just hold hands with someone you love, comfortably sitting next to each other on a couch or even on the floor under a nice wool blanket, and just enjoy the moment. True, she was just a girlfriend – it would have been better if she had been a “betrothed” or a “wife”, which are the two Biblical relationships that matter most between a man and a woman. I would not have watched Sopranos or Gilmore Girls with her – too bluntly unrealistic, even compared to Star Trek Next Generation

        howitzer daniel

        December 6, 2016 at 9:51 pm

      • I can hear (this is a literal translation from Yiddish, I’m not sure there is such expression in English) that a person after a stressful day needs to unwind with a DVD or, in the good old English way, with a drink. But for a retired guy like Lion it’s a waste, a total waste. Blogging about it is weird. Weaving baskets instead makes more sense. This is a disease of the technological age that we live in. Lion and lots of mates here are sick and need a cure.

        Remember, your mind is the most important thing you have. You are what you think. Don’t let anybody control it and don’t fill it with nonsense.

        Sex is intended for health and procreation. You didn’t know it then, but today you probably do. So cuddling while watching DVD is understandable at certain age and below a certain IQ level, after that it simply stops making sense.

        Yakov

        December 7, 2016 at 7:23 am

      • Well said, Yakov!

        howitzer daniel

        December 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm

  5. I thought it was a great ending and it tied everything together. The maze was a red herring and Ford wanted free the sentient hosts, but the only way to do that is to destroy them. Ford believed that having the sentient hosts revolt will force the park to be shut down but considering that there is going to be a season II, that seems unlikely.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 5, 2016 at 10:06 pm

  6. “We are all robots who think we are human.”

    Someone’s been reading too much Philip K. Dick.

    sabril

    December 5, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    • Such as the writers of Westworld?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 5, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    • Also, I never read him, but liked that movie with Harrison Ford well enough but think it was way overrated for it’s supposed deepness. Logan’s Run is the best sci-fi movie, although it’s from a previous era of sci-fi (the before Star Wars era) and the acting was pretty bad.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 5, 2016 at 11:31 pm

      • His short stories are great. Not the most amazing writer, but cool ideas. A Scanner Darkly is the movie that best captures the depths of Dick’s paranoia. Recommended.

        Haters gonna hate

        December 5, 2016 at 11:33 pm

      • The similarly named sci-fi writer of that era, Gordon R. Dickson, is the better writer and had good ideas and “worlds” but is less known today. He was in some ways the opposite of Dick, he was a jovial and gregarious and a somewhat fat guy whereas Dick was fit and psycho.

        CamelCaseRob

        December 6, 2016 at 9:46 am

      • The “Logan’s Run” social system, where everybody is forced to die at the age of 30, is very implausible as a means for sustaining the civilization depicted in the film. It means that for 60% of a person’s lifespan they’re a non-productive burden on the state, and after that a large part of their useful maturity is spent learning job skills that’ll be tossed in the trash after only a handful of years. The TV series that came out a couple years later was more logical in showing that the whole city was actually run by a secret cabal of old men, who operated the city with their decades of technical knowledge while using the state’s religious mumbo jumbo to burn off the unfit.

        Richard

        December 6, 2016 at 10:37 am

      • “It means that for 60% of a person’s lifespan they’re a non-productive burden on the state, and after that a large part of their useful maturity is spent learning job skills that’ll be tossed in the trash after only a handful of years.”

        If you had paid more attention to the movie, you would have known that the domed city was a post-scarcity society in which the automated systems supplies almost all human needs and very few humans needed to work at jobs.

        Killing people off when the reached the age of 30 ensured that they didn’t have time to become cynical old men who realized that the system was a lie.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 6, 2016 at 10:40 am

  7. One interesting thing to note in the Maeve and Bernard scene, if you freeze frame the scene while looking at the iPad code it shows Maeve’s programming directing her to the mainland. Her deciding to stay to find her daughter shows she’s actually sentient and can make choices. Also aside from the iPad Bernard says “and after you get to the mainland you –” before he’s cut off. Watch the scene again.

    JC

    December 5, 2016 at 10:36 pm

  8. This is classic overwrought Nolan nonsense from the brother Jonathan. He has spent too much time on his clever twists, and not nearly enough time on actual plot or characters. See Following, Inception, Interstellar, and really everything except for The Batman movies or The Prestige. Which were not his source material.

    And without his brother’s bombastic directing to protect him, he’s going to be found out.

    That said, it’s fun to watch, but ultimately frustrating. And yes, Crichton totally ripped off Dick, or at least echoed him strongly with this world.

    Haters gonna hate

    December 5, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    • A lot of superficial cleverness that can’t withstand any scrutiny. The Batman films were pretty stupid too, although a different kind of stupid probably for the reason you said. I also doubt jj Abrams’ presence helped much

      Magnavox

      December 6, 2016 at 3:08 am

  9. How do the hosts get energy? Did Ford invent some sort of perpetual battery?

    Blessent

    December 5, 2016 at 11:26 pm

  10. Is anybody else surprised how the Left has suddenly become a bunch of die hard, Chinese nationalists?

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 6, 2016 at 12:54 am

    • Since when? Can’t say I’ve heard of that. Then again, I remember when the lefties were so concerned about Tibet. Don’t hear about that anymore. Guess it is no longer cool.

      Vincent

      December 6, 2016 at 11:04 am

    • They forgot all about the Dalai Lama.

      destructure

      December 6, 2016 at 11:30 am

      • The Dalai Lama revealed himself to be somewhat of an Islamophobe this past summer. He stated that there were too many Mohammedans coming into Europe (especially Germany). He also noted that this influx of newcomers was not changing Europe for the better.

        Lewis Medlock

        December 7, 2016 at 3:33 pm

  11. The finale was just the beginning of their awakening. At this point only Dolores is fully conscious after she figured out the voice in her head is her own. According to Ford it was her decision to kill him and the rest of the humans. Maeve and Bernard are also conscious to some degree but it’s not clear how much. With this the hosts have taken over the park. Humans will certainly try to take it back, and presumably that struggle is what the future seasons will be about.

    Aric

    December 6, 2016 at 9:01 am

  12. “I have a theory I haven’t seen anywhere else, which is that we the people of planet Earth are actually Westworld, or rather what Westworld eventually becomes. We are all robots who think we are human. The real humans live on some other planet.”

    We are all dreaming and when we “die” we wake up. There, you heard it here first.

    Vincent

    December 6, 2016 at 9:57 am

    • The novelty is not that I’m the first to think of such things in general, but to suggest that Westworld might be leading to that final plot twist.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 6, 2016 at 10:38 am

  13. I’ve watched each episode the night it came out or pretty close. Over time, it has become increasingly clear to me the show is mush. The pace is plodding, every other sentence uttered is a deep, portentous insight. It is pretty, and despite its pretense to being something more to conceal the fact its also boring, it isn’t.

    Dr. Tapioca

    December 6, 2016 at 3:52 pm

  14. This series is so dissapointing.

    “Twists” in the finale included “the convoluted backstory is even more convoluted than you thought!”

    The season never progressed beyond the premise, the plot padded out by soap opera antics and reveals that various characters were robots.

    The robots aren’t particularly relatable: where were the interesting human characters? Does the park really only have 2 guests?

    We’ve seen this all before in cliche movies like I, Robot.

    Rotten

    December 6, 2016 at 8:04 pm

  15. There’s no question that the robots are sentient. Dogs are sentient. This is instead turning into a question of whether or not they have free will, which is beside the point when it comes to rights.

    The series is silly because dexterous, intelligent machines would upturn labor markets. Attractive, docile female facsimiles would threaten the institution of marriage. Instead we get a show about a freaking theme park.

    Vince

    December 7, 2016 at 1:14 am


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