Lion of the Blogosphere

Debunking more #pizzagate nonsense

Conspiracy theorists have gone bonkers over this email.

I see absolutely nothing there at all except a grandmother (I presume that’s her relation to the children) bragging about her grandchildren, who genuinely enjoys watching them play in a swimming pool (because grandmothers like that stuff), and who overestimates how much anyone else cares.

That people think she’s acting as pimp to her own grandchildren so that HRC’s top staff can sexually abuse them is the most unhinged thing I’ve ever heard. Get real.

When people believe stuff like that, it’s hard to take anything else they believe seriously.

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Seth Largo has the following comment that I agree with:

The Lolitas on the Lolita Express were, as far as I’ve read, in the 14-18 range. Young women of misfortune, sure enough, and rich men have always taken advantage of such young women. It’s tragic and, in some jurisdictions, illegal, but it’s not abnormal. If Epstein’s documented use of young whores is the glue that holds this theory together, then there is absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone is keeping 8 year olds locked up in pedophile dungeons

Although to clarify “not abnormal,” I think he means that prostitution is found just about everywhere (even though it’s illegal in most places) and wherever there are prostitutes you will find that some of them are under the age of 18. And I would hazard a guess that the younger prostitutes are more popular with a large-enough percentage of the clientele.

In contrast, a grandmother (or maybe great aunt) offering up her pre-adolescent girls for sexual abuse is extremely abnormal, and it’s really impossible to believe that a successful SWPL-type woman in the United States would do something like that.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 7, 2016 at 11:03 pm

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  1. No, people like me aren’t going crazy about this email. It’s more evidence that these are genuinely weird people, honestly, who advertises young children will be at an adult gathering, entertainment, swimming, etc but it’s no smoking gun.

    Presumably Luzatto was aware of the Podesta art collections, what kind of grandmother would allow such degenerates around their grandchildren? Well, apparently these are not her biological grandchildren.

    Funny, seems to be a connection to the CFR and Jeffrey Epstein is also a member !?!

    What’s interesting right now is Milos assertion that he was told to call off his Pizzagate talk “Not Yet” if he’s credible, and I have no strong feelings one way or the other, one should wonder when the “yet” comes?

    Move along though, nothing to see here

    2 Minutes Alpha

    December 8, 2016 at 12:31 am

  2. OT: Okay, I was on the fence, but we need to take away Trump’s Twitter. (Quoted in case of deletion).

    “Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!”

    “If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues”

    snorlax

    December 8, 2016 at 2:43 am

    • Agreed. No need for him to punch down.

      Half Canadian

      December 8, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    • If he’s genuinely that thin skinned and he’s not just putting on a act for fun then his twitter is the least of our problems.

      magnavox

      December 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    • Trump told the truth most unions are corrupt and have done little to protect the interests of labor.

      redarmyvodka

      December 9, 2016 at 8:16 pm

  3. I believe the guy who posted to /pol last summer claiming to be an FBI agent involved investigating the Clinton Foundation (http://www.abeldanger.net/2016/08/explosive-q-on-clinton-foundation-fbi.html). I believe that he was who he said he was. I think he intentionally said some wacky things about UFOs, that Orlando Pulse was an inside job, and that the mossad doing 9/11 just to throw people off the trail and to intentionally camouflage himself as a crank. But, other than obvious (and funny) whoppers like that, he’s either a really believable troll, or the real deal. Everything else he posted seemed specific, believable, coherent, and true to how events have played out since (… and also terrifying).

    I believe the poster when he said:

    >The government of Brunei contributed between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation in 2002, which said that the donation went toward the construction of the Clinton Presidential Library in Arkansas. Clinton would return to Brunei that same year – this time without his daughter. Clinton was picked up at a Japanese naval base by Jeffrey Epstein and his private Boeing 727 – known to many as either “the orgy jet” or “Lolita Express” – and flown to Brunei to visit with Sultan Bolkiah, according to flight records. Epstein is a registered sex offender who would regularly host Clinton and many others at his private Caribbean island before being put in prison for sexually abusing underage girls around the globe. He spent just 13 months in jail for the charges, though evidence is reported to have existed that could have led to more serious federal charges such as using his private jet for sex trafficking. http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-clintons-and-the-sultan-of-brunei-have-a-history/

    > People are currency. Did anyone mysteriously disappear in surrounding locations, never to be heard from again? Were any of them attractive, young females?

    > Pedophiles and sex traffickers everywhere [in the government]. Many politicians trade girls like cattle.

    > Sex rings are popular in all governments, but pedophilia is primarily in British parliament & Saudi Arabia, and that’s why HRC and BC love foreign donors so much. They get paid in children as well as money. Dig deep and you can find it. It will sicken you.

    > How much kiddyfucking/sexual exploitation goes on in Hollywood? More than you could imagine.

    He wrote that the FBI (and, presumably, later, the NYPD, from Weiner’s computer) had email and other evidence in hand that could/would blow the whole pedo thing open. But he also warned that some of the other emails in the stash, if also released and brought to light, would show massive corruption and treason, evidence of meddling with domestic politics that might bring down the government and/or spark a civil war, evidence of meddling with foreign nations that might spark wars, and other such big deal secrets.

    My guess is that:

    * Wikileaks had some portion of those big deal emails

    * These emails were sent to Wikileaks by domestic law enforcement, who feared Hillary would win, continue being involved in corrupt schemes, and that then all their evidence would be flushed.

    * Wikileaks was starting the election cycle slow, with the relatively pedestrian Podesta stuff, but they were building up to the volcanic, cataclysmic stuff that would get Hillary (and others) immediately arrested (Assange hinted as much)

    * The CIA (or whoever takes care of things like this) knew all this, and they acted in October to prevent any sort of thermonuclear reveal. On Oct 21 they neutralized (abducted?) Assange and used that massive DDos to bottle up an incipient wikileaks data dump. Around that time, they also killed Gavin MacFadyen, Assange’s lawyer John Jones, maybe other Wikileakers, and who knows possibly FBI and NYPD officers too. Wikileaks since then has been compromised, and has been releasing only relatively trivial files.

    * So you’ve got a bunch of /4chaners, Redditors, post-Gamergate fascist Pepe Twitter kids, Tea Party remnant, and other assorted righty folks with too much time on their hands, who know what they are looking for (evidence of a pedo ring), but have no solid evidence for it. So they’ve found false smoking guns in the Podesta emails, out of a hunger to find something.

    Every time I actually examine the evidence people claim to have found, it does seem like “Pizzagate” has some surprisingly solid evidence to it, some of which seems too much to be mere coincidence. In general, though, yes, I believe that it is an example of confirmation bias, conspiracy theorying, group hysteria, and “fake news”.

    But it’s also – as the libs used to say – “fake but accurate”. I think there’s something there that the alt right kids birddog is smelling and pointing at, just don’t have the resources to actually flush out the prey. Hopefully once Trump is in office, the FBI will be able to make use of actual evidence from the emails.

    • Yes, I’ve read that FBI thread and my conclusion is that it is possibly a fake for the following reasons:

      1. He mentioned he did war games for the FBI vs Russia but couldn’t name the CIA bases in Germany. When pressed he said ‘google it’ in effect.
      2. Mentioning you were in those top secret war games and his security clearance greatly narrows down the pool of possible informers for his superiors to catch him.
      3. He mentions Soros is the central figure of all this but in fact, my reading of Soros is that he is not some Jewish racial supremacist but a typical mainstream Jewish liberal. He was against the Iraq War for instance and has criticised Israel in the past. He is not ‘on the team’. He also funded the Panama Papers dump. If you analyse his philanthropy note how money goes to anti-poverty projects rather than, and I hope doesn’t mod me here – Jewish hospitals, Jewish museums and donating to uni alma-mater like typical Jewish billionaires.

      Now, on the other hand:

      1. I hope its clear to everyone Comey swayed the election in a very subtle manner as per the ‘informants’ line that the FBI agents were threatening revolt. Comey did it with great plausible deniability. Many decades from now, he will be seen as an American hero.
      2. There is too much data to deny the existence of paedophile rings in Britain and Hollywood. He is right. I also believe him when he says women and children are traded like cattle at those levels of power.
      3. He is also right Russia is being targeted for being a nationalist white state. Much like Hungary, South Africa and so on were singled out.

      The Philosopher

      December 8, 2016 at 9:48 am

      • Your three reasons for why the post may have been fake:
        1. That seemed pretty straightforward, as he said: it’s information that can be easily found on the web, there was no reason for him to post it
        2. Agreed that that was one of the things in the post that seemed suspect and illogical
        3. Agreed that “Soros as world kingpin” also stretched credulity
        As for your reasons to believe:
        1. His post was the first I had read of FBI agents threatening revolt and pushing Comey to take action, and, indeed, I was impressed that that was indeed how things turned out – that had me more believe his post
        2 and 3. He said many things like that that seem to me to be uncommon knowledge but are probably the actual case

  4. Uh no. They have a huge pedophile ring being uncovered in the UK too. That pedophile island story during the election campaign led right to pizzagate. Everyone who knows anything about the insiders knows that pedophilia is rampant in their circles. Its the price of admission. For Lincoln’s Party, you have to be a closeted fag, and for everyone else, you have to have underaged exploited boys and girls. Its a self-destruct button to take out any crook or whore who wants to leave the reservation. To get into Satan’s Club, you have to be dirty, real dirty. They don’t want any morals near the secrets that could take them all down
    They’re blaming the Russians, but no way Putin could get full access to the inner circle like this. There must be guys on the inside releasing this shit to Wikileaks. I expect a lot of old-time CIA and Black Ops must be having second thoughts now that America and Europe has traitors letting in invaders. Only a fool fights in a burning house. There must be guys rethinking this now. When the House of Cards falls down, these guys need some of these creeps in jail or dead. Too much crap will weigh them down too much to survive.

    Joshua Sinistar

    December 8, 2016 at 6:35 am

    • I’ve seen speculation that the as communication technology advanced and spread and became a daily part of life for citizens and government a new wing of the Deep State formed (NSA, etc.) that eventually became powerful enough to challenge the original Deep State (CIA, etc.) and what we’re witnessing are pieces of an internal struggle that occasionally surface for the rest of us to see. So in this view, it is the new leaking to Wikileaks against the old.

      And interestingly, Snowden was an attempt by the old to discredit the new before the eyes of the public to retain supremacy, but it has apparently failed.

      Andrew E.

      December 8, 2016 at 9:51 am

    • Yes, Epstein videotaped all the rooms in his island and dens.

      Epstein was working for someone else – Master.

      The nature of Master can be deduced from some handy economic theory and ecology modelling.

      He is like his counterparts in lesser nations – usually some of: psychopathic, male, born to aristocracy, paranoid schizo, very high verbal and as Lion would say not a producer, but a master of value transfer or Extraction as I call it. The Illusion of the West is much more complicated than North Korea. But we believe our illusion just as readily as Ang-Sun Kee drying her towels on a tree right now.

      The Philosopher

      December 8, 2016 at 9:52 am

  5. It’s nuts, yes. But it still doesn’t rise to the level of 9/11 conspiracy nuttery. “Bush murdered thousands of Americans to enrich himself and his cronies”. Nor have there been movies made about it and broadcast on national tv around the world (loose change etc) Nor have mainstream people in the public eye come out and endorsed it (fire can’t melt steel beams!) 9/11 nuttery has set a standard that will be very tough to beat.

    Steve@steve.com

    December 8, 2016 at 12:01 pm

  6. The Lolitas on the Lolita Express were, as far as I’ve read, in the 14-18 range. Young women of misfortune, sure enough, and rich men have always taken advantage of such young women. It’s tragic and, in some jurisdictions, illegal, but it’s not abnormal. If Epstein’s documented use of young whores is the glue that holds this theory together, then there is absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone is keeping 8 year olds locked up in pedophile dungeons.

    Seth Largo

    December 8, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    • What about the Satanic aspect? Hillary drinking blood and semen cocktails. The left pretends they are rational and scientific, but they’re obviously not. The Occult symbols used in media is hardly “just for fun”. These people REALLY BELIEVE in Magic, Witchcraft and Satanism. Some of their heroes aren’t just guys like Crowley. People like Eleanor Roosevelt held seances in the White House. She was apparently trying to talk to other First ladies like Mary Todd Lincoln. Mary Todd was nuts. She thought she was a witch herself. Anyone who doesn’t know about this has no idea of what really goes on behind closed doors. The rumors of human sacrifice and sexual orgies are quite true.

      Joshua Sinistar

      December 8, 2016 at 4:01 pm

      • You’re not suppose take that woman’s weird artwork literally. You’re being worse Trump haters taking every Trump tweet literally.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 8, 2016 at 5:37 pm

      • I knew I’d heard of Marina Abramovic before #Pizzagate. An artfag friend of mine posted this video to facebook a few years ago with a comment that read something like “this is what true love looks like.” If the music wasn’t so annoying, this would be touching. This is your satanist:

        Horace Pinker

        December 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm

      • You can participate in a seance if you want, all you need is a couple hundred dollars. Belief in haunted houses, astrology, “psychics,” communicating with the dead, ect, is fairly common. If someone you met on the street told you he was in to that kind of stuff, would you assume he was into “human sacrifice?” Probably not, you’d just assume he was one of the world’s many suckers. Thus, why should you assume anything different when you hear about some wife of some member of the elite doing it? I assume they are suckers, people who either believe in it or don’t believe it in but who value it for the companionship/counseling aspect. Either way, they are as harmless as the sucker down the street.

        I agree with Scott Adams on this, this is all confirmation bias. People went into Podesta’s emails determined to find something bad. They found it. But it doesn’t look like much. Just some awkward phrasing(and if it’s “code” it could be code for many things) as well as some weird art. The weird art is just typical SWPLness, they need to take pride in themselves for having good taste and thus must like something that the rubes don’t like. “Subtly”* pedophilic art fullfils this purpose, just as did the artwork of Pierre Brassau:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau

        *It’s not subtle at all, but they think of it that way

        jasonbayz

        December 8, 2016 at 8:26 pm

      • Enough with this pro Podesta bullshit. The “should I play dominos on my pizza” thing is obviously code words. Now maybe it isn’t code for pedo stuff, but it is 100% for certain real code words. Anybody who denies as much is subhuman scum.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 8, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    • Epstein committed numerous felonies that normally carry a serious prison sentence.

      His connections to the Clintons in particular are very troubling. Stop the white wash.

      redarmyvodka

      December 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm

  7. While I agree there is a nutty side to this, there is a lot of stuff here that is just plain strange. Breitbart’s tweet a year before his death about Podesta:

    http://www.infowars.com/andrew-breitbarts-chilling-podesta-tweet-from-the-grave/

    Apparently, Podesta was involved in the child sex scandal that Breitbart was investigating with respect to Acorn year back.

    It is well known that there is a substantial pedophile culture among Hollywood elites and rich Saudi, as well as among Pakistanis in Britain. It’s not really that strange that Clinton’s people could be connected to human trafficking/pedophilia through Epstein. I don’t think the stuff from the emails is necessarily incriminating, but there is just so much circumstantial evidence.

    Of course it is more likely than not that this is bunk, but even at p=.1 this deserves some attention.

    muelleau

    December 8, 2016 at 6:16 pm

  8. Lion, what do you think about the other evidence, like the police sketches of the 2 suspects in the Madeline McCann kidnapping that look like the Podesta brothers?

    Tom

    December 8, 2016 at 7:25 pm


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