Lion of the Blogosphere

A double-standard that the unhinged right is guilty of

I call out things like this when the left does it.

The right was outraged by speculation that Donald Trump’s youngest son might have Asperger’s Syndrome (which, if true, is a medical condition that’s no one’s fault), but they seem to think it’s perfectly OK to publicly speculate that some specifically-named woman’s 7 to 11-year-old grandchildren (or maybe nieces) are participating in sex orgies with old men on Hillary’s campaign staff.

What about the harm this has done to the innocent girls, who may now be teased and bullied at school because of this?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 8, 2016 at 1:38 pm

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  1. The outrage over Barron is pathetic. Who cares if he’s a sperg?

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 8, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    • Who cares if he’s a sperg?

      …or a ‘tard. I suspect many upper middle class people (non prole) are pretending their children are “special” or have autism spectrum issues to cover the fact that they have low IQs.

      Better to have autism than just be kinda retarded.

      I don’t know what the deal is with Barron, he’s only 10!! He’s tall and always in a suit so people might forget how young he is.

      Rifleman

      December 8, 2016 at 3:36 pm

  2. The difference is that Barron-gate was a popular vid on YouTube (with YT’s blessings) and was publicly promoted by an A-list celeb (Rosie). Pizza-gate isn’t pimped by anyone important/prominent and YT would censor any such vid.

    Brendan

    December 8, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    • Correct. Hardly anyone knows about the pizza stuff. Certainly not promoted by youtube or celebrities.

      Rosenmop

      December 8, 2016 at 3:30 pm

  3. Ehhh, you’re really reaching on this one, bro.

    Maj

    December 8, 2016 at 2:07 pm

  4. It’s only hypocritical if the SAME people pushing pizzagate were critical of the autism rumors. Even so, it”s an apples to oranges comparison because the target of the autism rumors was a child. Whereas the target of pizzagate are adults. While you’re correct that children may be indirectly affected I don’t think there was any attempt to target them. At most, people failed to consider the potential consequences it might have on unnamed children. That’s scant basis to accuse people of hypocrisy. Certainly no more than in any other case of alleged child molestation.

    So there’s no misunderstanding, I oppose both the autism rumor because it targets a child and the pizzagate rumors because the evidence is weak. People need to cut both out.

    destructure

    December 8, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    • Correct, I don’t think it’s the same segment of the right that is involved in these two cases.

      CamelCaseRob

      December 9, 2016 at 9:07 am

  5. Lion,

    What do you make of Trump’s Trucon cabinet picks so far?

    Otis?

    Is the swamp getting drained?

    gothamette

    December 8, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    • Fine with me. I still want Romney for state. I want the party to be united as possible.

      The only depts I care about are Justice and Homeland Security. We already got Sessions for Justice, perfect. I am concerned about DHS of Kobach isn’t coming in as a deputy, but this Kelly guy seems okay.

      It is the progs who are going crazy over these picks, talking about how Trump is betraying his supporters. Polls show Trump’s approval up to 50% though so they are wrong like usual.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 8, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      • Why did he pick Kelly over Kobach? Has that been finalized yet?

        I really don’t care what the progs think – what you describe is concern trolling. Why should they care that he’s betraying us. What I care about is that he’s betraying us. I’m not concern trolling. I’m concerned. Baffled.

        Count me and Rifleman on the same team. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

        gothamette

        December 8, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • First of all, Trump really isn’t that good on immigration. He has horrible instincts. He just is very politically incorrect.

        He prob went with Kelly because he loves military guys and Kelly will get less pushback from the GOPe.

        The open borders labor secretary isn’t a big deal because Trump has been pretty consistent in that he isn’t going to let the cheap labor lobby keep undercutting our wages. But he doesn’t want to go to war with them, he wants to work with them. That means giving them some stuff they want and bringing one of their own aboard. Remember that Hitler and Mussolini both worked very well with big business, Trump’s strategy is sound in this case.

        The big question is if Kobach ends up deputy head of DHS. If he does, then we have nothing to worry about: the destruction of the immigrant community will remain on. If Kobach is not part of the DHS, it doesn’t mean we need to panic, but full scale destruction of the immigrant community probably won’t happen, at least not in Trump’s first term. What will happen instead is probably a return to 2nd term Bush levels of enforcement (which were really quite good) with the probable addition of a national E-Verify system. It wouldn’t be great, but it would be a start.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm

      • I voted for Romney in 2012 but what he said about Trump was unforgivable. He burned his bridges and hopefully Trump just wants to humiliate him now.

        redarmyvodka

        December 9, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    • Not just Trucon but Neocon.

      He’s picked three generals so far who have the neocon obsession with Iran and are apparently dumb enough to believe Iran and Shia are a global threat when of course that is nonsense and the real threat is Arabic, Sunni, Wahabi, Saudi and Saudi knock off (al qeida/ISIS) Islam.

      He’s also picked Goldman Sachs guys and for Labor just picked an Open Borders/cheap labor from wherever we can getum type.

      Bizarre.

      Rifleman

      December 8, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      • I believe the generals Trump has picked are pro Russia, so I wouldn’t really call them neocons. They hate Iran but don’t seem particularly pro Israel.

        I like the idea of pro Russian but anti Islam guys in defense related stuff. As Oldtimer said, this is also good against the deep state. I want those positions to be tough guys who Trump respects, but at the same time aren’t war mongers and are against torture. Just keep us out of any foreign adventures.

        The Goldman Sachs guy ain’t no thang. Trumps economic policy was always going to be dereg, pro business, crony capitalism, ala Japan. I like the Mnuckin or whatever his name is pick.

        Having an open borders guy for Labor Secretary really isn’t a big deal. In fact, having a guy like Puzder could even be helpful. Getting rid of the immigrants is only part of Trump’s labor plan, the other part is implementing policies that make American workers more competitive.

        For Trump to succeed, he is going to have to work with the GOPe. Puzder, Romney and Haley are all part of that.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 8, 2016 at 6:57 pm

      • I’m not happy about these choices at all. If he proves he’s serious about immigration, all will be forgiven, but so far I don’t like what I see.

        gothamette

        December 8, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      • Well, if Gothamette is upset about Trump’s pickings for his staff, then we all understand plutocracy is ubiquitous and perpetual in our government.

        The entire country is an effing mess for anyone who cares. It’s broken in every way you can imagine, from education, immigration, regulation, taxation and the declining White demographic, just to name a few.

        And the country stills believe in capitalism, when the above aforementioned things are no longer functional for those who have the most talent and innovation.

        JS

        December 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

      • The lack of intellectualism among our elites is one of America’s downfall and prole element. Our founding fathers had a classical foundation, or inclinations in the Greco-Roman tradition.

        Yes, Shias aren’t a global threat, it’s the perverted Wahabis.

        JS

        December 9, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    • He needs to slowly do a hostile takeover of the deep state. So far we have sessions, mattis, and Flynn l. Those three shitlords are enough to start with.

      Deep state currently has an army of illegals and various other dangerous elements to do their dirty work. Remember batman begins? First you have to clean up the streets. Then the puppet masters have no lumpenprole army and are forced to flee.

      OldTimer

      December 8, 2016 at 5:09 pm

      • Steve Mnuchin & the Commerce guy are both ex-GS.

        gothamette

        December 8, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      • I outlined Trumps eight year plan of attack in another thread. Trump will try to keep the economic system of the status quo going until the immigrant community is destroyed. Then Mnuchin is getting asked to politely step down and make room for Bill fucking Black.

        OldTimer

        December 9, 2016 at 12:21 am

      • Getting the GS guys out of government is a very hard nut to crack. We are heading into a credit default cycle in the next few months. Companies that borrowed trillions of dollars under the low interest rate scheme have bonds coming due and a fairly sizeable number of them (maybe 10%) won’t be able to roll over those bonds. These will default.

        The markets are rising because this is what happens when the Republicans control all three branches of government. Good for Trump, but, with the credit default cycle coming up and the Federal Reserve controlling interest rates and threatening hikes, Big Finance has a ways of derailing Trump’s agenda, so he needs to keep these guys close.

        What I don’t think GS has accounted for is that they are dealing with a populist, somewhat dark horse candidate whose personality probably won’t allow embarrassing failures. I can see Trump threatening to nationalize banks like Goldman Sachs or getting rid of the Fed charter. Because he essentially drives the news cycle, he could conceivably whip up popular support for these actions through Twitter or his website. Trump is also putting what look like deep loyalists in the security services. You have Mattis and the guys for DHS. You also have Betsy DeVos. I know she is an Education Secretary, but she is an heir to the Amway fortune…and she is related to Eric Prince, the founder of Blackwater. These resources and connections are probably somewhat competitive with the Deep State. Trump is not shaping up to be someone’s puppet.

        As for Iran, the only criticism I’ve seen Trump make is the releasing of $100 billion dollars in funds back to Iran. Why was this allowed, if Iran is regarded as a major sponsor of terror? I doubt there will be a ginning up of war against it. It would destroy any relationship with Russia.

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 1:16 am

      • Good observations, Old Timer. Batman Begins was also the best movie of the trilogy and most underrated as well.

        redarmyvodka

        December 9, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    • What do you make of Trump’s Trucon cabinet picks so far?

      I think it’s good enough. His economic team is a good mix of Reagan supply siders and economic populists. Foreign policy and Defense should be good even if he chooses Romney to be SoS. Having Sessions and Kelly as AG and DHS head means he will carry through with his immigration pledges.

      Meanwhile, I’ve debunked the gender pay gap – the missing factor that liberal studies ignored was that professional women cut back on hours when they became mothers. Adjusting for hours worked the gender gap shrinks to a few cents.

      Your thoughts as an underpaid lady-cat?

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/the-statistical-gender-gap-fallacy-of-unequal-pay-for-equal-work/

      The study surveyed MBA alumni from the exclusive Booth School of Business of the University of Chicago who had graduated between 1990 and 2006. Following their graduation the careers pursued by these MBAs were primarily with top firms in the elite value transference fields of financing, corporate services, and consulting. These fields have often been the target of so many accusations made by feminists for being unfairly dominated with male-workaholics. And the pay gap, which exists, is wrongly put forward as proof of their misogyny.

      What eliminated the gap to a statistically insignificant 3 to 5 cents was the addition to the model of time variables measuring how long men and women spent out of the workforce.

      * There is no statistically significant earnings gap between men and women in the same type of work, with the same experience, and the same amount of hours worked.

      More basically:

      * There is no statistically significant earnings gap between men and women in the same type of work, with the same experience, and if women do not have children.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 8, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      • ” His economic team is a good mix of Reagan supply siders and economic populists”

        Who are the populists? Commerce & Treasury are Goldman Sachs.

        “your thoughts as an underpaid lady cat”?

        Is that to me? I like dogs, and I’m not underpaid.

        gothamette

        December 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm

      • Who are the populists?

        Wilbur Ross and Peter Navarro.

        Is that to me? I like dogs

        You’re gravatar image suggest othewise…

        , and I’m not underpaid.

        Well if YOU aren’t underpaid, that proves the gender-gap is false.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 8, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      • Who are the populists?

        Wilbur Ross and Peter Navarro.

        Is that to me? I like dogs

        Your gravatar image suggests otherwise…

        , and I’m not underpaid.

        Well if YOU aren’t underpaid, that proves the gender-gap is false.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 8, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      • What’s the point of being snarky towards gothamette? She’s on our side so it’s like attacking a straw man that won’t fight back. The movement doesn’t need to pander to women or minorities, but we shouldn’t be dicks to friends either. It’s just massively autistic. That being said there are some annoying females in the fascisphere who think being on the right side of history is some get out of jail free card to be a cunt to people based on their ethnic predisposition.

        Remember there’s no enemies to the right.

        The avatar is some stupid randomly generated thing, I think.

        OldTimer

        December 9, 2016 at 12:19 am

      • Being anti trade is not the same thing as being populist. If you google either of those names with the word populist all you get is articles talking about how noone on Trump’s economic team has any history of populism, and depending on the site, varying levels of ridicule aimed at Trump’s gullible supporters.

        magnavox

        December 9, 2016 at 9:18 am

  6. First I heard of it. Do you have a link?

    Mike Street Station

    December 8, 2016 at 2:34 pm

  7. I never noticed the outrage. There was outrage over this?

    white girlz for all

    December 8, 2016 at 3:21 pm

  8. Lion,

    I think you are missing a very critical element of that email. I’ve reproduced it below for clarity:

    “And I thought I’d share a couple more notes: >> We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be >> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and >> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in >> that pool for sure.”

    Let’s say you are having a pool party and you know your guests are bringing children. Why is it at all necessary to identify the kids to the host or to the other guests? Kids are not integral to any adult gathering. It is not going to be relevant which child attends an adult party. Yet, Tamara actually names and therefore identifies three children: Ruby, Emerson and Maeve. Now, that might seem innocent…if she did not also include their last name, Luzzatto. Why would it be important to any adult gathering to know that Ruby Luzzatto, Emerson Luzzato and Maeve Luzzatto will be attending a pool party at a home? Worse, why is it necessary to know their ages, of which Tamara also identifies? So, we have Ruby Luzzatto (age 11), Emerson Luzzatto (age 9) and Maeve Luzzatto (age 7) announced by Tamara that they will be attending a pool party. Maybe that’s innocent, if we also did not find out that “Bonnie” will be “transporting” Ruby Luzzatto (age 11), Emerson Luzzatto (age 9) and Maeve Luzzatto (age 7). No one uses “transport” to describe moving family members. You would say “bring” or “drive.” “Transport” is a term reserved for cargo. Tamara then says that these kids will be “in the pool” for sure. Why would anybody care what kids would be doing at an adult party? Why would guaranteeing that the kids would be in the water even relevant? Finally, Tamara identifies why all of this information is important: The kids are there for “further entertainment.” Really? Why would these readily identified kids be someone’s “further entertainment” at an adult party?

    So we have an email that reads like this:

    Bonnie will be transporting Ruby Luzzatto (age 11), Emerson Luzzatto (age 9) and Maeve Luzzatto (age 7) to our party so they can provide further entertainment for you in the pool.

    Btw, anyone find it coincidental that “Maeve” is the same name as the Thandie Newton character in Westworld?

    map

    December 8, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    • What makes more sense? A woman bragging about her grandchildren and using some awkward wording (presumably in an attempt to be cute)? Or a woman pimping out her grandchildren to child abusers using awkward wording as a secret code for weird shit?

      And yes, I did notice the Maeve coincidence.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 8, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      • Lion,

        It’s possible that it is innocent. It is not probable that it is only innocent. Moreover, the point is that it does not sound like code. It is a bizarrely worded email being sent to someone with weird artistic tastes and strange coincidental relationships and circumstances. And what exactly is the bragging about? That the kids would be fun in a pool? What does that really mean?

        You’re driving down the highway. You get stopped by police and somehow they get approval to look in your trunk. The police find an ax, plastic tarps, zip ties, duct tape, bleach and lye. Guess what? You would get arrested. Even though there are perfectly innocent explanations for why you have these items, taken together at the point looks suspiciously like a murder kit. There would be an investigation. Lawyers would be involved. Evidence may be admitted or thrown out. Something may come of the investigation or not. But law enforcement would certainly take at least a cursory interest. Here, we not only have circumstantial evidence that would get law enforcement involved against any ordinary person, we have, in the case of pizzagate, an enormous amount of institutional effort to redirect from the issue.

        There are a lot of firefighters gathering around the smoke.

        map

        December 8, 2016 at 6:11 pm

      • Adults do all kinds of crazy but innocent shit when it comes to kids, just to be cute, like addressing Christmas presents to “Mr. Thomas Dawkins, Esq.” when everybody just calls the kid “Tommy” normally.

        Can we focus on the Clinton Foundation and Laureate University instead of this?

        Gozo

        December 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      • Maybe she is telling the ages of her grandchildren with the idea that other people might bring their own children or grandchildren to play with. The writer seems to own the farm and is inviting people to it, as far as I can make out.

        Maybe Podesta and some of the others are peophiles. Who knows. But if they are, surely this woman is clueless about it.

        Rosenmops

        December 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

      • Rosenmops and Gozo,

        Have you actually read the email?

        What does a cutesy name have to do with anything?

        What does “further entertainment” mean?

        And it’s not a distraction from foundations and Laureate. We can all walk and chew gum at the same time.

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 12:33 am

      • A survivor and victim of a VIP satanic cult who was pimped out by her grandmother. Some claim what she says is fake but look at her eyes nothing suggests deception. Her testimony corroborates much of what we know now associated with Jimmy Savile. The UK is a vile country and the epicenter of upper class pedophilia/satanism.

        redarmyvodka

        December 9, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    • Lion, stop being obtuse. This commenter is spelling it out in painful detail. The ‘grandmother’ adopted these kids for a life of sex slavery. No grandmother talks like this to a third party.

      The Philosopher

      December 8, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    • “Kids are not integral to any adult gathering.”

      They are to parents.

      If you don’t have kids, I can see why this email does not speak to you. But imagine you have kids, you’ve been told to bring them along to a pool party. “Seriously?” you think to yourself, “Should I bother to bring their suits? It’s pretty cold out. Maybe they’ll get in the pool, and five minutes later they’ll be out shivering and whining that they’re cold, and it will be no fun. Maybe I should just drop the kids off at grandma’s and go without them.” Our hostess here knows that is what people are thinking, so she emails “Seriously, bring the suits! The pool will be heated! There are guaranteed a minimum of 3 kids in a variety of ages and both sexes. It will be so fun! Your kid will stay in the pool the whole time and not whine once. Do not ruin my party by dropping the kids off at grandmas – I was counting on your kids to entertain the other kids so they don’t whine at their parents.” But if she put it that flatly it would sound pathetic, so she cutesies it up with the stuff about Uber to make it sound like she’s telling you this stuff just to be funny and not because she’s afraid her pool party is going to be a bust.

      This is a completely normal sounding email. This is exactly the way people to whom kids are an integral part of social situations talk.

      Laura

      December 9, 2016 at 12:27 am

      • Laura,

        The only time you will have large gatherings of kids at an adult party is if it is specifically a kids party. Or, an adult party where the adults are old friends and they generally know who the kids are and their ages. You are not going to have routine adult parties where kids are involved. Most of the time, kids get babysitters because they need too much supervision.

        Like I said…it’s possible that this is innocent…but it’s not probable that it is only innocent.

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 3:50 pm

  9. Well considering the woman adopted the children to be sex slaves….

    The Philosopher

    December 8, 2016 at 3:47 pm

  10. Trump’s new Labour Secretary is another cuckold. (Heritage Foundation for Cayman Islands non-citizens Human Rights)

    And he’s rowed back on Kobach.

    To be honest I couldn’t give a f**k how many cuckolds he has in the cabinet if he rounds up the illegals and sends them to antarctica.

    The Philosopher

    December 8, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    • you have new info on Kobach?

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 8, 2016 at 7:25 pm

  11. Lion if young kids are being pimped out, ridicule is hardly a consideration. This is a felony. We’re talking 10 to 20 at a Federal or State Penitentiary. If these people aren’t being indicted or arrested, its hardly a social media debacle. Its conspiracy to commit crimes and an accessory to a Felony.

    Joshua Sinistar

    December 8, 2016 at 4:18 pm

  12. I agree. That old woman’s email was harmless grandma talk. I do think that there is some good evidence in there for pedophilia, but I think that it is getting lost in the hysteria.

    Spoons

    December 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm

  13. Kevin Michael Grace tackles this in this week’s podcast. He has some interesting and measured things to say about all this.

    Andrew E.

    December 8, 2016 at 5:56 pm

  14. If it’s a double standard to be opposed to barrongate but support pizzagate, than certainly it’s a double standard to do the reverse, and you support barrongate but oppose pizzagate, so therefore you are a hypocrite?

    magnavox

    December 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm

  15. Interesting comment from NeoGaf (made by a Mexican American):

    “Is that a statement you stand behind? Trust me I was like you. I’m ready to throw tens of millions of people under the bus. Unfortunately those tens of millions of people also decided they wanted a Republican President. And a Republican Congress. And a Republican Supreme Court. So it’s not as easy as telling those people that they’re wrong. You really can’t say ‘How can you be a racist by supporting a person who said racist things?’. You can’t write off these people that won the country for Trump. You really, really can’t.

    So I’m not saying that you should support their racism. I’m not saying you should support their Xenophobia or sexism. I’m saying you should tailor your message to them, even if you’ll take different actions. ‘But that’s immoral to lie to them’, ‘but it’s not morally right to appeal to these racists whilst trying to appeal to minorities’. Morality comes and goes. Taking the moral road and writing off and ignoring those people you both assumed would automatically vote for the ‘right’ choice and would care about minorities caused the government to be lost.

    Saying they made a ‘morally reprehensible choice’ and that they ‘fucked up’ isn’t going to win any of those people to your side. Yes, we can absolutely say they fucked up because we are looking at the broader game here. To the people trying to live day by day? Like I mentioned before, empathy is a two way street. The poor white family in Wisconsin who had to listen to Clinton talk mainly about minorities and never visit their state decided to vote for the person who did talk about their economic anxiety and visited their state.

    That’s not an excuse for them. That’s a reality of what happened. Republicans won by the skin of their teeth. Because Clintons messaging was fucked up. Because these moral purity tests, are so damn short sighted. ‘If democrats appeal to white people, then they’re the enemy!’. I’ve seen that sentiment come from some people. That is where you lose me in this moral purity because there is a tonedeaf belief that being morally right should stump any other type of sentiment.

    And when there are posters who say that the only way to Progress in America is through a clear Moral Imperative, then I see the democrats losing and losing if they keep that train of thought.”

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 8, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    • Otis,

      It’s very simple.

      The Democrats see white people as a put-upon, tax-farmed population: The Whites will work and the Dems will eat. For some reason, they can’t understand why whites won’t go for that arrangement. They will keep doubling-down on this strategy until an American Francisco Franco comes along and imposes a White Terror on them. Only then will they stop.

      Look that up on wikipedia.

      Ultimately, Democrats are parasites feeding on a host. A parasite cannot be reasoned with. Once discovered, it has to be dealt with.

      map

      December 9, 2016 at 12:52 am

  16. I spent some time a few years ago working at WGBH (the de facto #1 PBS station). A very large percentage of my coworkers came from some sort of background working for Democrat campaigns or the MA or NY or other New England states’ Democratic Party. And many were always leaving to take campaign positions with the Dems. Not sure if any of them subsequently worked for the HRC 2016 campaign but it’s the same sort of people.

    They are BORING. They reminded me of Mormons. They are the sort of people who get really excited about stuff like office pizza parties and grandkids.

    They love talking and sending emails to everyone about their husbands, children, nephews, grandkids, girlfriends, whatever outdoorsy thing they did with their fiancé, etc etc. Their desks/walls are covered with family photos. They all are married with kids by the time they’re 30, and they celebrate their 35th anniversary in their 60’s.

    They’re relentlessly upbeat and chipper and are constantly killing you with kindness. They don’t ever seem to have any drama in their lives that isn’t health-related (breast cancer, special-needs children, etc). They save and don’t live beyond their means. As a general rule they’re graduates of 1.5-tier schools (Brown, Tufts, Georgetown) with degrees in reasonable non-STEM subjects (poli sci, English, business). Surprisingly to me, most of them are religious and are regular churchgoers (or synagogue/Hindu temple-goers, as the case may be).

    They don’t drink to excess or do weird sex stuff. A few were former smokers but all had quit. They dress in a conservative business casual and are always well put-together, both at and outside of work. Even though they’re mostly youngish liberals, I’m pretty sure they don’t even smoke pot. Their idea of letting loose is playing in a band with their buddies, or going whitewater rafting with their kids.

    Weirdly enough, they didn’t seem to have very strong political opinions. When they talked about politics, which was rare, it was always in terms of 1) what an amazing person Gov/Sen/Rep. X was and what a privilege it was to work for him/her, 2) whether policy X was popular or could pass, 3) anodyne statements about bringing everybody together and seeking input from everyone in the community. They had a *very* chummy relationship with their GOP counterparts. Many had framed letters of praise from Dubya or Gov. Mitt.

    In short, they’re about the least controversial, most boringly inoffensive people imaginable. Which makes sense; for obvious reasons, political campaigns want to screen out anyone who carries even the slightest whiff of controversy. It’s possible they were all in a pedophile sex cult, in the same sense that it’s possible they were all lizard people, but all I can say is that, while I was among the enemy, the pizza parties were just pizza parties.

    snorlax

    December 8, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    • You’ve described Steven Keaton perfectly!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

      • Before my time, but I’m sure TV writers are familiar with the type.

        snorlax

        December 8, 2016 at 11:19 pm

      • You must watch Family Ties now! (Unfortunately, Netflix recently removed it from streaming.)

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 8, 2016 at 11:20 pm

      • Alex Keaton

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 1:27 am

    • We’re not arguing that pedophiles exist among this class of earnest useful idiots. We’re arguing that it exists among the sociopaths at the top…like the guy ranked the 49th most powerful man in DC…for owning a pizza shop.

      map

      December 9, 2016 at 1:35 am

  17. I have always found the stories about Trump and the Clinton’s trips to Epstein’s island to be more interesting … there might actually have been something tawdry going on, just not as juicy as these fantasies of a conspiracy of child-raping Satanists.

    verylongaccountname

    December 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    • Two scenarios:

      1) all the best dirt was blown this election by both Clinton and Trump.

      2) both Clinton and Trump have some MAD level shit on each other that won’t ever be released barring some ridiculous scenario where someone’s life was in jeapordy. At this point the Clintons have nothing to lose, but maybe their legacy so I have to believe scenario 1 is the case. Bill was probably diddling just barely legals on Epsteins island and Trump was probably playing golf surrounded by Japanese school girl uniformed underage waifus. In bad taste, but legal.

      3) bonus scenario: Trump may at some point spill the beans on the truth behind Barry’s birth certificate, since Karl Denninger’s analysis of the long form one release reveals there to be some possibility of tampering. Maybe we will get to see the original microfilm or get real details surrounding his birth. It’s not a vendetta at this point for most, just genuine curiousity about the guy. Similar to many other former conspiracies.

      OldTimer

      December 9, 2016 at 12:37 am

  18. I think Pizzagate is a load of garbage personally, but it’s fair game.
    Ignore the names of the parties involved. The left has taught us that allegations of sexual assault should be given faith even if they are obviously entirely fabricated (Duke Rape, UVa Rape, etc). In fact, the Left/Feminist attitude is that sexual assault MUST ALWAYS be treated with deadly seriousness and rooted out.
    This is their bed, so fuck ’em in it.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    December 9, 2016 at 12:12 am

    • Except that with #pizzagate, there isn’t anyone claiming they were personally victimized. Or the parent of a kid who was victimized. Just some losers who read some emails and decided that a few weird sentences must be codewords for a massive pedophilia ring.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 9, 2016 at 9:53 am

  19. Regardless of whether either has any merit:

    1. The proponents of Barrongate are primarily motivated by a desire to humiliate Trump and secondarily get their giggles from Othering Barron which is a form of humiliation.

    2. The proponents of Pizzagate want to prevent future children from being raped.

    I’m not getting the hypocrisy, seems standard liberal versus conservative to me.

    I think some of the movies Mnuchin produced nullify his Goldman ties, American Sniper, Sully

    2 Minutes Alpha

    December 9, 2016 at 7:28 am

    • “The proponents of Pizzagate want to prevent future children from being raped.”

      No, really they want ultimate revenge against HRC’s cronies and see them put in jail. That the fantasy story involves sexual abuse of children, that’s secondary.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 9, 2016 at 9:20 am

      • Pizzagate is fringe, tinfoil hat stuff and everyone who attempts to lend it credence or plausibility is idiotic and deserving of ridicule. And it’s orders of magnitude worse than a YouTube video purporting that Barron might be autistic. That said, the MSM deserves partial blame for Pizzagate because they’ve intentionally ignored all of the truly interesting and damning content of the Podesta emails.

        Speaking as a father of young children, there’s nothing in that email that seems untoward or problematic. Ages, names, swimming pool, all of it, is relevant to the adults involved, for innocent reasons. With all the bona fide scandalous shit in the Podesta emails, why anyone would need to hallucinate Pizzagate boggles the mind.

        Kosher Kowboy

        December 9, 2016 at 9:54 am

      • “With all the bona fide scandalous shit in the Podesta emails, why anyone would need to hallucinate Pizzagate boggles the mind.”

        The other stuff is hard to understand, but pedophilia is a simple tale and is universally considered evil (and not just illegal because of technicalities).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 9, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • “No, really they want ultimate revenge against HRC’s cronies and see them put in jail. That the fantasy story involves sexual abuse of children, that’s secondary.”

        And they make it so easy.

        Take a gander at HRC’s cronies:

        https://sli.mg/a/mdv0hG

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 4:29 pm

  20. It’s incredible that so many people can see something deviant in this email.

    Just think about it for a minute: the number of women who would pimp out their own grandchildren is already vanishingly small, especially one from a good, wealthy family in a first-world country with a normal level of intelligence. But on top of this you also have to add the fact that this grandmother would be brazen enough to discuss this in the most casual manner possible in an email in which she calls her own grandchildren ‘entertainment’ because they will be used as sex slaves at a party! If you think this is the case you really need to go away and have a bit of a lie down and a rethink, and if this doesn’t work then you should stand and stare at yourself in the mirror and keep slapping yourself really hard around the face until this stubborn clot of craziness has dislodged itself from your troubled brain.

    She called her grandkids ‘entertainment’ because she is an old woman to whom it would never occur that a sexual meaning could be implied by such a statement. Ironcally, it is her very innocence of child sex trafficking and her accusers greater awareness of it that has created any doubt (not that there is any doubt).

    They mentioned Pizzagate on BBC news last night. It’s very unfortunate, because the reason that they did so is that it is obviously not true and is a stick they can now use to beat the alt-right and ‘fake news’ websites. It is actually damaging to the Right in America, and the most unfortunate thing is that I cannot even say it is unjustified. Just as, say, Jonestown and Charles Manson’s ‘Helter Skelter’ revealed something of the way left wing people think, so Pizzagate shows the unfortunate tendency of some on the American Right to turn political struggle into some kind of religiously-inspired spiritual warfare against a demonic enemy.

    prolier than thou

    December 9, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    • Good comment. Also why is noone mentioning that someone read a bunch of pizzagate conspiracies online and ended up shooting of a gun inside the pizzeria?

      magnavox

      December 9, 2016 at 1:05 pm

      • Because nobody cares about a false-flag operation.

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 4:04 pm

      • Why don’t you actually read the crowdsourced evidence on Pizzagate?

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    • Prolier than thou,

      Why do you think this is incredible? Pedophile rings at the highest levels of government are not unfounded. Several such rings have been discovered. Beyond the sexual fetishism, child porn and pedophilia is the perfect blackmail tool. This is a currency binding government officials together.

      You are merely dismissing the interpretation. You are not refuting it. You are layering charitable interpretations on a circumstance that is not deserved. For what purpose? To not look discredited in front of the liberal media, which routinely lies and fabricates stories?

      What I would like to see is an investigation of this family and to check on the well-being of these children. Seems reasonable, right?

      map

      December 9, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      • I don’t see how you really can refute the allegations concering this email, because there doesn’t seem anything falsifiable there.

        And no, frankly, I do not think it would be right to investigate this family simply because she used the word ‘transport’ about driving her grandchildren somewhere. It might seem a good idea when it’s being used against your political opponents but it sets a precedent that opens up the possibilty to pretty much every family being investigated for the flimsiest of reasons, including non-Democrats.

        prolier than thou

        December 9, 2016 at 5:42 pm

      • There is no slippery slope here.

        map

        December 9, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      • The ‘2 Kevins’ podcast above on this subject is pretty good.

        FWIW I stand by my original comment on this subject; I don’t think there is nothing to this story. I think Pizzagate has shed a light on a weird and distateful subculture that is worth investigating. I just think they pull in too much other stuff along with it and try and lead what they have to conclusions that aren’t warranted.

        prolier than thou

        December 9, 2016 at 6:46 pm


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