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Was Sulu gay? Or just the actor who played him?

Gothamette asks a good question:

Is Sulu gay? I know that the actor who plays him is, but I wasn’t aware that the character is also supposed to be gay.

There were episodes in which Kirk, Scotty, Dr. McCoy, and even logical Mr. Spock, all had romantic encounters with females. In the case of Kirk, every other episode. Even Chekov once had an old girlfriend show up in an episode. But never a woman for Sulu. I think the hints were there.

The alternate universe Sulu had the hots for Uhura in the episode Mirror Mirror, but that just demonstrates that the alternate-universe Sulu is hetero, while the real Sulu is gay. That was a huge hint of Sulu’s gayness that was overlooked at the time.

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December 9, 2016 at 1:48 pm

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  1. Sulu has a grown daughter in Star Trek: Generations, one that’s clearly his by the way. He was retconned as being gay in the new … ah hem … timeline in Star Trek Beyond as being gay.

    JayMan

    December 9, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    • That was a movie made decades later, and just because he has a daughter doesn’t prove that he had sex with the daughter’s mother.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 9, 2016 at 1:55 pm

      • Racist jury nullification is a great way to get lots of one’s own people killed. Who are those black criminals they let off more likely to victimize? Other blacks. Maybe even their own relatives. If so many blacks weren’t racist morons they’d understand things like that.

        Which brings me to a NeoGraf thread Otis linked a week or so ago. They were discussing coloreds buying guns to defend themselves from “white racists”. *rolls eyes* As if whites are attacking them. No. Blacks are the ones committing most of the violent interracial crime. As well as most violent crime in general. So who are those newly armed coloreds really going to be shooting? Mostly black criminals.

        destructure

        December 9, 2016 at 6:58 pm

      • Meant to put that in response to Leon’s comment about jury nullification in the Bronx.

        destructure

        December 10, 2016 at 10:02 am

  2. Can’t find a link but I recall hearing that George Takei was upset that the last ST movie cast Sulu as gay because, according to Takei, Roddenberry had in mind no such thing.

    DiverCity

    December 9, 2016 at 2:02 pm

  3. Oooh myyyyyyyy…..

    rdorsey

    December 9, 2016 at 2:09 pm

  4. Star Trek is gay.

    SWPL2

    December 9, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    • That’s a major plot twist you should have kept to yourself!

      The Philosopher

      December 9, 2016 at 4:28 pm

  5. Takei has said Sulu wasn’t gay. He seems to be proud of having played a straight character. A personal acting triumph.

    IHTG

    December 9, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    • I didn’t frankly keep track of these things when I was a kid, but I thought he was a subtle Asian character. Subtle doesn’t mean gay – at least, not in my universe.

      But times have changed. I’m quite the dinosaur.

      gothamette

      December 9, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • If Takei was straight Rodenberry would still have portrayed him as asexual, first, because that’s how all Asian male actors are portrayed, second because the scripts had Kirk doing most of the babe-magnet work and there was not enough room to fit in a Sulu romance angle that the audience have yawned at.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 9, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    • He did come across straight on Star Trek years ago. But now, every time he opens his mouth a purse falls out.

      driveallnight

      December 9, 2016 at 7:30 pm

  6. I saw the new JJ Abram’s Star Trek film at a friend’s house recently (wouldn’t have been my choice of film) and there’s a scene where the Enterprise docks at some space port thing and all the crew get off, and Sulu meets up with a husband and ‘their’ children. So he’s gay now.

    prolier than thou

    December 9, 2016 at 2:23 pm

  7. Was C3P0 gay? Was he possibly in some kind of gay relationship with R2D2? I know they don’t have organs as such but R2 had that node that flipped out from his front panel, and I don’t think it’s technically impossible that this could somehow have docked with some kind of ‘anal port’ on C3P0’s rear end and then spurted hot, binary information right into 3P0’s code-hungry RAM circuits?

    I’m not very computer literate, but perhaps there’s one of your readers who works in this field who could confirm whether this might at least in theory be possible?

    prolier than thou

    December 9, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    • C3PO was definitely gay, as was Dr. Smith in Lost in Space. With their fussy, prissy ways gay characters can be quite humorous.

      Daniel

      December 9, 2016 at 5:11 pm

      • I think that’s what they call retconning. I don’t buy it. By that reasoning any part that Paul Lynde played was gay, including the dad on Bye Bye Birdie.

        gothamette

        December 9, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    • C3P0 was not gay.

      He was supposed to be a finicky robot-butler always worrying about his master’s needs.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 9, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    • Lion, you have the best commenters. They totally outclass Sailer’s!

      gothamette

      December 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    • Jesus dude

      driveallnight

      December 9, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    • I met Paul Lynde in an elevator of the Hyatt Regency in Dallas in 1978. There was a VFW convention going on. I was surprised how big he was. 6’2″/230, linebacker size for the time.

      Marty

      December 10, 2016 at 11:40 am

      • I love stories like this. 30 years ago I was driving a yellow cab in New York City. Once out in Queens I had two maricones in the cab. They were chatting away in the back seat and one of them mentioned that their mutual friend Juan was Paul Lynde’s “kept boy”. That is the exact phrase he used, “kept boy”.

        Daniel

        December 10, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    • Was C3P0 gay? Was he possibly in some kind of gay relationship with R2D2? I know they don’t have organs as such but R2 had that node that flipped out from his front panel, and I don’t think it’s technically impossible that this could somehow have docked with some kind of ‘anal port’ on C3P0’s rear end and then spurted hot, binary information right into 3P0’s code-hungry RAM circuits?

      I think you are pointing out an important Issue that the LGBTEIEIO community is missing out on; robosexuality and the way society delegitimizes robot sexuality by “othering” Hopefully the Dems can provide some reach out to yet another marginalized community.

      Mike Street Station

      December 10, 2016 at 9:27 pm

  8. Crew, set phasers to fabulous!

    white girlz for all

    December 9, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    • “Crew, set phasers to fabulous!”

      Wouldn’t it be better as “set phazers to stunning?”

      prolier than thou

      December 10, 2016 at 7:48 am

  9. I recall an interview with Takei I believe who said he brought up the subject of having a gay character (either Sulu or someone else) with Roddenberry and Gene said that while he was sensitive to the issue the network would never go for it and he declined in the interest of keeping the show on the air.

    Andrew E.

    December 9, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    • I don’t buy that story. This is 1966 we are talking about. The first time that America was introduced to homosexuality on television was one of the earliest Sixty Minutes episodes from 1967 (you can view it on You Tube). From the life experience portrayed on that show one would almost choose death over being gay. Homosexuality was portrayed as a lonely, terrifying, sick, morally depraved, incurable dead end. Almost all the gay interviewees had their faces obscured. If Takei brought up the idea of portraying a gay character the producers would have probably fired him on the spot, thinking that if he himself were that bold about the matter he might involve himself in some scandal that would destroy the show, and cost millions.

      Daniel

      December 9, 2016 at 5:19 pm

  10. Gay people have children with women quite frequently (the normal way, not IVF etc.)

    ASF

    December 9, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    • My gay governor had two wives and two kids.

      ScarletNumber

      December 9, 2016 at 4:59 pm

  11. He didn’t have any romantic interest because just like now, the future is bleak SMV wise for Asian dudes. Was there any Asian women on the enterprise? She would have been banging the white Capt.. Kirk.

    K.l. Asher

    December 9, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    • Lol

      The Philosopher

      December 9, 2016 at 5:58 pm

  12. I think he was just asexual. That’s common for characters in a lot of movies and television shows, especially Asian (Oriental) men.

    So Evil Sulu was sexually aggressive, which is the opposite of asexual.

    fortaleza84

    December 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    • Sulu was also an engineer of some function aboard the USS Enterprise, paving the image of an asexual STEM nerd. The good thing about Sulu was that he was the best in the Federation academy with the talents he had. Everyone aboard the helm of the Enterprise was the best of the best, perhaps with the exception of Chekov, who later became a commander of the USS Reliant, a research vessel — which was stolen by Khan, who mind controlled him and Paul Winfield, the actor who played Martin Luther King with his neuro-parasites – Star Trek II – the Wrath of Khan – the darkest Star Trek show in existence.

      JS

      December 9, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      • And the one with the silliest uniforms.

        The Anti-Gnostic

        December 11, 2016 at 10:27 am

  13. Sorry to go OT but since Lion isn’t posting about Trump’s cabinet picks, I changed my mind about Kelly. I wanted Kobach but whatever. Kelly is a former general, and will be a border hawk.

    I’m also sort of enjoying how triggered the alt-right is getting over Mnuchin, Puzder, and what’s his name – Cohn? I happen not to be on the same side as them, but the enemy of my enemy is my sort of friend. Esp. when that enemy is Nazis.

    gothamette

    December 9, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    • Kelly testified to Congress about the risks of terrorists coming over the border. I think he’s not a bad second choice to Kobach. Kelly in an administration with Sessions as Attorney General and Stephen Miller as a senior advisor point to an immigration policy on the right track.

      I see why there is some reason for Puzder but I’ve not overly worried. Secretary of Labor is one of the more minor cabinet positions and its work is primarily to serve as a liaison to unions. This position is less important to immigration than DHS or AG.

      The Goldman guys are fine so long as they stick to tax cuts and budgetary issues.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 9, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • Yeah. If Trump can change the country profoundly by stopping immigration, then labor will have a much better bargaining position simply by being more scarce.

        I actually think that symbolically as well as substantively, having an ex-General in charge of the border sends a better message. Kobach has been great on immigration but he can do something else. He doesn’t have the sort of operational and organizational experience that an ex-General does.

        I was being too pro-Kobach because of Ann Coulter. I like her but she has a few weird quirks and who died and made her the pope of Trumpmerica?

        gothamette

        December 9, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      • I actually think that symbolically as well as substantively, having an ex-General in charge of the border sends a better message. Kobach has been great on immigration but he can do something else. He doesn’t have the sort of operational and organizational experience that an ex-General does.

        As a lawyer Kobach might be better positioned to serve as Kelly’s deputy at DHS or as a senior policy advisor to Trump.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 9, 2016 at 8:01 pm

      • I’m more disappointed Rudy did not get a cabinet position. Christie should have at least gotten a cushy ambassadorship. But I suppose Rudy can serve as the unofficial Trump attack dog on the political talk shows.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 9, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      • Sorry to go OT but since Lion isn’t posting about Trump’s cabinet picks, I changed my mind about Kelly. I wanted Kobach but whatever. Kelly is a former general, and will be a border hawk.

        Kobach might be Deputy. Legal details guy. I hope.

        Trump’s three Generals don’t seem like the brightest guys.

        Rifleman

        December 10, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      • “I’m more disappointed Rudy did not get a cabinet position. Christie should have at least gotten a cushy ambassadorship.”

        I agree that Christie should have at least gotten to be US Ambassador to Pizza.

        Mike Street Station

        December 10, 2016 at 9:31 pm

      • “I was being too pro-Kobach because of Ann Coulter. I like her but she has a few weird quirks and who died and made her the pope of Trumpmerica?”

        I’m not saying that Coulter is being too paranoid,considering all societal forces are pushing both for amnesty and open borders, but Trump has trolled before. Remember the trip to Mexico and the big immigration speech that the MSM promised was going to be Trump going back on his immigration policy? Instead, he doubled down. I had my doubts along the way but Trump has trolled his critics so often that I’m just going to relax and enjoy the ride. Until Puzder has an impact on any visa or immigration issues I’m just going to assume that’s under control.

        Mike Street Station

        December 10, 2016 at 9:35 pm

      • I agree that Christie should have at least gotten to be US Ambassador to Pizza.

        American Ambassador to Italy?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 11, 2016 at 11:06 am

    • It’s sort of a weird case because you agree with them on everything else. Nazis are obsessed with hating Jews to the point of engaging in counterproductive actions, which is otherwise rare.

      Also, Puzder’s Jewish? I find no evidence of that in the Wikipedia article, and he lives in Franklin, TN, though apparently he worked for Morris Shenker for a while.

      It is funny to see the Forward post stuff like this
      http://forward.com/news/national/356625/are-jewish-trump-loyalists-frozen-out-of-administration-jobs

      when he’s already named 2 Jewish cabinet picks.

      SFG

      December 10, 2016 at 12:13 pm

      • It’s sort of a weird case because you agree with them on everything else. Nazis are obsessed with hating Jews to the point of engaging in counterproductive actions, which is otherwise rare.

        Was that in response to gothamette or me?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 10, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      • @SFG,

        “It’s sort of a weird case because you agree with them on everything else. Nazis are obsessed with hating Jews to the point of engaging in counterproductive actions, which is otherwise rare.

        Was that in response to gothamette or me?”

        Was that in response to TuJ or me?

        gothamette

        December 10, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      • He put 2 Jews in charge of the money.

        The Forward is just doing what you’d expect of them.

        Rifleman

        December 10, 2016 at 6:49 pm

  14. Otis,

    Thanks for the Vox link, it’s a great insight into the minds of the insane left. Yeah, dude, it’s entirely possible that white people have had it up to here with stuff like this:

    http://abovethelaw.com/2016/12/heres-how-black-people-could-use-jury-nullification-to-break-the-justice-system/

    Jesus.

    gothamette

    December 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    • That already happens, the prosecution loses a lot of trials in the Bronx and other majority-ghetto-black counties.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 9, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      • Right, but in those cases I bet the victims are black and the juries are registering a general disaffection with the legal system. I think in those cases the juries sincerely believe, or convince themselves, that their boy is innocent.

        The author of that article said that blacks should specifically direct their rage towards whites as whites, and vote to acquit even if they sincerely believe the perp is guilty. This is appalling.

        gothamette

        December 9, 2016 at 6:49 pm

  15. Trump full cuck watch:

    Trump freezing out original political operatives: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-original-operatives-frozen-out-232383

    Ann Coulter: Every Trump cabinet pick except Sessions would’ve been picked by Jeb Bush.

    Labor Secretary pick a 100% open borders advocate:
    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/08/trump-expected-to-tap-labor-secretary-who-prefers-foreign-labor-to-american-workers/

    John Kelly, SHS pick, would’ve been open to serving in a Hillary administration: “During the campaign between Trump and Hillary Clinton, Kelly said he’d be willing to serve in either administration. But unlike other notable high-ranking former military officials like Flynn and Gen. John Allen, the retired four star general never endorsed a candidate.” http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/john-kelly-department-of-homeland-security-trump-232210

    JC

    December 9, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • “Most of the early campaign hires would never have been considered for the high-ranking jobs that are currently being allocated and would be more qualified for lower-profile jobs that tend to get filled out later in the process.”

      End of discussion. Trump values loyalty and everybody will be taken care of. The only people who got screwed, per se, are Giuliani and Christie, but that had to do with their own baggage.

      The other positions simply do not deal with immigration enforcement. If Trump wants to the GOPe with him, he needs to give them some of the things they want, including plum cabinet posts.

      No Kobach sucks but we may still get him as deputy head of DHS and he would have been much tougher to get through confirmation than would Flynn.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 9, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    • Corey Lewandowski was just on Hannity defending Trump against Austin Goolsbee.

      map

      December 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  16. The alternate universe Sulu had the hots for Uhura in the episode Mirror Mirror, but that just demonstrates that the alternate-universe Sulu is hetero, while the real Sulu is gay. That was a huge hint of Sulu’s gayness that was overlooked at the time.

    Not necessarily a hint. It may have been a directorial decision if Roddenberry didn’t think Takei would come off convincing as straight. If he wasn’t sure how a straight relationship would come off then it was better to just not bring it up on the show.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    December 9, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  17. Oh, also:

    In an interview with Time magazine announcing him as “Person of the Year,” Trump didn’t go into specifics but signaled that he could find a way to accommodate the Dreamers.

    “We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud,” Trump told the magazine. “They got brought here at a very young age, they’ve worked here, they’ve gone to school here. Some were good students. Some have wonderful jobs. And they’re in never-never land because they don’t know what’s going to happen.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-dreamers-undocumented-immigrants-232301

    JC

    December 9, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    • I wouldn’t trust Politico.

      map

      December 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • Trump himself has always been a “i love LEGAL immigration” cuck. The only evidence to the contrary that I’m aware of are policy papers that he didn’t write or, in all likelihood, even bother to read.

        magnavox

        December 9, 2016 at 9:09 pm

      • Not true. When asked about H-2B’s. He said, “It’s something that I frankly use and I shouldn’t be allowed to use it. We shouldn’t have it. Very, very bad for workers. And second of all, I think it’s very important to say, well, I’m a businessman and I have to do what I have to do. When it’s sitting there waiting for you, but it’s very bad. It’s very bad for our workers and it’s unfair for our workers. And we should end it.”

        People and politics are more complex than arm chair quarterbacks imagine. The same guy who pushes free trade and open borders as CEO could very well push protectionism and border restriction as a cabinet member. Yes, most people are that mercenary including probably you.

        There’s also realpolitik to consider. The campaign is over and now Trump needs to govern. He can’t do that without establishment support. Trump has to appease or at least give the appearance of compromise to win them over.

        I could be wrong. Maybe Trump is gearing up for a double-cross. And if he does then I’ll be leading the lynch mob. But I’ll wait for facts on the ground to materialize before I do. The truth is, none of us knows exactly what he’s going to do or how he’s going to do it. Regardless, I won’t be listening to a NeverTrump like you. You don’t even care about immigration. You’re just looking for excuses to bash Trump.

        destructure

        December 10, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • Good response, destructure. It’s kind of like what he said eons ago about political contributions. Remember that, in the first debate? They tried to zing him on his past contributions to (among other pols) Hillary, and he said, brazenly, sure I contribute to her. That’s the way it’s done. I give her money, she comes to my wedding. I give them money, they pick up the phone when I call.

        Refreshing honesty about how he has benefited from this fucked up system isn’t cucking. It’s a good thing.

        But I say that as someone who is dismayed at his cabinet picks. However, if he delivers on immigration, his Sec Labor isn’t important. We’ll have to wait and see.

        The alt right is losing its cookies, the way they freaked out his Iowa loss. What a bunch of pantywaists!

        gothamette

        December 10, 2016 at 4:34 pm

      • You have a freakishly blinkered view of the world if you lump anyone critical of Trump into the nevertrump movement. I hate mainstream conservatives. I have never said anything positive about them.

        As for that quote, him saying it contradicts what I said about him never speaking personally against legal immigration, but the fact is he’s staked out both sides of that issue and has hardly presented a principled consistent opposition to the program.

        magnavox

        December 10, 2016 at 4:58 pm

  18. I don’t agree w/Takei’s politics at all, but I think what happened to him and his parents during WWII sucked. OK, destructure, I expect a full dissertation on the military necessity of Japanese-American internment during the war. I really don’t think so. Japanese citizens, yes. Americans, nope.

    gothamette

    December 9, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    • I don’t know why you mention me. But, no, I don’t object to the internment of either foreigners or citizens during war time if there’s a reasonable concern and they’re not abused. Most people would say they object while sitting comfortably in their living rooms during peacetime. But many would have a very different opinion if actually faced with the threat.

      destructure

      December 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      • Joking, destructure.

        gothamette

        December 10, 2016 at 1:26 pm

  19. Off topic, you wondered on twitter why Rudy is out…

    Chuck C Johnson is ahead of Fake Mainstream Media, as usual.

    http://gotnews.com/breaking-rudy-giuliani-failed-teams-vetting-process-running-secretary-state-transition2017/

    Dan

    December 9, 2016 at 9:30 pm

  20. George Takei always had that wide-eyed look that a lot of gays have. Lance Bass has that look, too.

    It’s a dead giveaway.

    Camlost

    December 9, 2016 at 10:07 pm

  21. Gothamette asks a lot of good questions. Gene Roddenberry’s original vision included – on the conservative side – a monotheist Kirk (see the episode where he argues with the alien clown who thinks he is Apollo, one of the gods in a pantheist pantheon, and tells the phony Apollo that we earth people do not need many gods, we have one God), but on the liberal side – a bridge crew where Nobody – not even the obviously married guys like Scotty and the Doc – talked about their wives (and anyone who remembered the “Old man” (i.e., the captain) and his senior crew on a Navy ship back in Roddenberry’s day would instantly notice that Nobody talking about their wives was really really different from the 20th century world – most Navy bridge crew in Roddenberry’s day were Annapolis grads and 98 out of a hundred of them got married before they were old enough for a senior officer spot on a large ship – and yes, even little Chekhov and Sulu were senior officers – if they weren’t they would not be spending a minute on the bridge). I guess that, 20 years or so from now, they will be putting out retro Star Treks that approximate Roddenberry’s time, just like a couple decades ago there was a fad for Sherlock Holmes TV shows that were as Victorian as possible.

    howitzer daniel

    December 9, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    • Actually, there were junior officers on the bridge on Navy ships in Roddenberry’s day – sometimes almost right out of Annapolis – but in “Star Trek time” both Sulu and Chekhov are several years out of the Academy by the time the second season rolls around. The really weird thing about the Starship Enterprise from the original Star Trek, for those who care, is that every single person on the Bridge for more than a minute or two is a respected officer. Where are the respected NCOs, where are the first day on the job unrespected officers? ………..
      It is all too fictional. Whatever the underlying reality was, in the mind of Roddenberry and the other creators, the actual artifact we are left with – the old shows – is more fictional than it needed to be.

      howitzer daniel

      December 9, 2016 at 11:49 pm

      • Howitzer–It’s a Starship. It’s not in the space navy. Starfleet is a libertarian private scientific organization of people who’re also trained as diplomats and warriors. Its mission is to explore new worlds with armadas of colonists not far behind.

        The base IQ of the peaceful Federation citizens is 120-130.The Federation as no government, money or crime, one big college department.

        I had some nice conversations with Roddenberry back in the day. Might post more later.

        Robert

        December 10, 2016 at 5:24 am

      • Robert – Good point – I understand that if there were more realism (from my point of view) as to how the bridge of a ship in a fleet (even a “starfleet”) is run, then there would be less realism with respect to the future ideology being described (and less internal consistency within that future world). It’s interesting that you had conversations with Roddenberry – did that make you appreciate Star Trek more or less?

        howitzer daniel

        December 10, 2016 at 11:29 am

  22. I remember evil Sulu flirting and harassing Uhura in that dark mirror universe episode. I’m not sure if this is evidence for or against.

    steve@steve.com

    December 10, 2016 at 12:28 am

  23. Depictions of interracial relationships on TV were generally taboo back then, unless it featured a white male and a nonwhite female. Even the romantic scenes between Kirk and Uhura were considered a big deal. Even if he wasn’t supposed to be gay, I don’t think they would have depicted romantic relationships for him. They would have had to have found an Asian actress, who were rare, and then fit her into the show somehow.

    I think him being gay is probably more a retcon based on contemporary views, than Rodenberry’s original vision.

    Tom

    December 10, 2016 at 12:32 am

  24. Off Topic: Yes it’s clickbait. But anyone interested in 80’s movies should test his wits against this test:

    http://quiz.howstuffworks.com/entertainment/89-of-people-cant-identify-all-50-80s-movies-from-just-one-screenshot-can-you.htm

    Joe

    December 10, 2016 at 2:19 am

  25. I think the hints were there.

    Good grief, and you’re criticizing us for thinking there’s something to Pizzagate?

    Samson J.

    December 10, 2016 at 8:32 am

  26. OT, Trump attendance at today’s Army vs. Navy football game proves Lion’s theory of Trump as a throwback to America of the 1950-early 1960’s. Truman, Ike and Kennedy routinely attended the game. Obama has made one appearance at the game.

    p s c

    December 10, 2016 at 9:38 am

  27. Having Sulu be gay but then make it so subtle that no-one noticed, and giving it no dramatic significance whatsoever, would be like making a character left-handed but then never showing him writing or doing anything connected with handedness.

    prolier than thou

    December 10, 2016 at 11:20 am


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