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NY Times sneers at the #pizzagate believers

The NY Times has an article debunking the #pizzagate conspiracy. While debunking it is a fine thing to do, the tone of the article is full of sneering and condescension for the people who believe in it, and therefore it will be dismissed as just more liberal media propaganda.

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It has occurred to me over the past week how the huge culture gap between people in flyover country and liberal elites in D.C. (as well as other liberal coastal cities) contributes to the #pizzagate conspiracy theory.

Art: All elites believe that any art that proles find pretty is “kitsch” and not worthy art. And furthermore, there’s a art-culture movement which supports art that truly disgusts the proles. The proles pushing #pizzagate don’t get this, and imagine the only reason people would display disgusting art is because they are personally into disgusting things. They are unable to understand the subtle messages of irony and cultural superiority.

Hipster subculture: They don’t get that the Comet restaurant is a hipster hangout that combines things that hipsters love such as weird artwork and a gay-friendly atmosphere, and enjoying prole activities like ping pong and eating pizza but only in an atmosphere that’s hip so they can believe they are only enjoying them ironically. Now why would anyone take children to a restaurant where gay people hang out instead of Chuck E Cheese? The answers is hipsters who got married and have children, and who don’t stop being hipsters just because that happened.

Pierre Charles L’Enfant: There’s a gay-friendly restaurant named after L’Enfant, the French architect and civil engineer who designed the street layout of D.C. and whose name is all over the place in D.C. Anyone who has ever lived in the D.C. area understands that naming something after “L’Enfant” does not indicate anything having to do with children.

Gays: Well I don’t know that I understand them either, but in places like Northwest D.C. or Hell’s Kitchen in Manhattan, they are much more open about their lifestyle than they are in flyover country, and the #pizzagate proles are reading too much into this.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 10, 2016 at 12:18 pm

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  1. I agree with you that there is a cultural misunderstanding, but bloggers like agnostic who is a cosmopolitan with provincial values (adopted from the right-o-sphere through reason and logic, much like many of us have come to this place) believes there is good evidence Pizza Gate is real. Also the emails are a bit hard to explain. There’s also the physiognomy angle and it seems like in the current year! Many conspiracies have come true. It’s hard to defy ones own lying eyes in the current year because the elites are finally being proven wrong.

    The elites would have been able to continue the lies for a long time, but somehow god emperor Trump, first of his name, King of the bernouts and the last western men, spiritual ruler of the west and all that lies north of the future wall seems to be able to let the truth shine on anything. He’s like nothing anyone has ever seen. Like a massive fucking wrecking ball breaking through a wall of pitch black as cracks of light begin to show.


    December 10, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    • agnostic has always been a bit nutty, seeing patterns where there are none. In his most recent post, he claims that the NY Times, Washington Post and others have removed an old pedophilia story from their sites to throw pizzagaters off the trail. However, the real reason for the removal is that the content is sourced to the Associated Press and, like many other stories from the AP, is removed after some weeks or so.


      December 10, 2016 at 2:24 pm

      • Stop white washing the cover up. Stuff was removed shortly after controversy broke.


        December 11, 2016 at 2:20 am

      • There was actually a really interesting article in the Atlantic (of all places) arguing this was the same problem with Flynn–he has great sensitivity but poor specificity, so he’ll see patterns where others don’t (and this was useful in intelligence when he wasn’t the big cheese) but he also sees them where none exist. Same thing may have happened with Agnostic.


        December 11, 2016 at 7:50 am

    • Well I was very quick to realise it was probably true and spread the word accordingly.

      The bizarre press reaction since makes it much more likely to be true.

      You have to look at the context rather than the details per se (which are very instructive themselves).
      1. Elite paedo rings documented in Hollywood and Britain which operated in the open for decades involving high level figures who knew about it and did nothing.
      2. The paintings hung in the pizza shop belong to Kim Noble, a satanic paedophile cult ‘survivor’ (her mind is broken)…these images depict similar rituals to the british survivor’s testimony….its just to unique to be hanging in a pizza parlour.
      3. Over the years I’ve learned to assume the worst. We only think its crazy because we’ve never been told about it all our lives. For example, many people thought Galileo was crazy or many people still think what people say about their religious beliefs are crazy.
      4. Following that we must ask – how common is paedophilia….more common than you think…the UK football industry is convulsing under a growing scandal now in fact, the Catholic church has a problem for decades, and the same actors want to bury it now.
      5. The Milgram Experiment. People will cover up and perpetrate the most horrific crimes for Master.

      In general, with enough context and general empiric principles about social forces, it can be possible often to solve an individual criminal case with general heuristics in my opinion.

      Now PROOVING it to the autist ant people, is a different matter.

      The Philosopher

      December 11, 2016 at 6:39 am

  2. Child molestation and pedophilia are a lot more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals.


    December 10, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    • I’ve seen analysis that the Catholic Church abuses of the 70’s and 80’s when it finally came to light was re-branded as pedophilia to cover up for the fact that it was mostly a homosexual phenomenon where homos are often attracted to young boys but not necessarily pre-pubescent ones. This was done because the homo lobby is strong and they wanted to the attention for these crimes going elsewhere.

      Andrew E.

      December 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm

      • Outside of Father Geoghan, most of the sex scandals in the church involved underage gay sex.


        December 10, 2016 at 3:55 pm

      • There was actually a book, ‘Good-bye to Good Men’, about the gay takeover of seminaries. I doubt many people have read it here as this is much more of an Old Testament crowd 😉 but some of you may be curious to see how this sort of thing affects another religion.

        There was a whole bit about ‘manly recreation’, which apparently involves sports etc. I guess with a celibate clergy it’s more important to keep out the gays?


        December 11, 2016 at 7:54 am

  3. The reason pizzagate won’t go away is because of cases like Jimmy Saville and Rotherham. Rotherham being especially triggering to the alt-right. Both cases the authorities knew of mass child rape and did nothing. Why would America be any different? Then there is the documentary, I think is called Conspiracy of Silence, about pedo activity in America. Dennis Hastert, the former Speaker of the House, was diddling boys. The FBI or CIA probably knew about Hastert former activities and did nothing. I use the word probably because those two groups would have files on every member of Congress, at least J. Edgar Hoover did. Let us not forget Jeffrey Epstein raping girls on his island. He was convicted for this too!

    Here is one that is far out there. Do you remember during the campaign the media would call pictures of Trump and Ivanka creepy? Those pictures are all taken at ritzy events. Donald probably kept his hand on Ivanka at all times so one of the elite pedos would not get his hands on her. Protecting her. Pure speculation though.

    It seems like even if the authorities know about these kinds of activities, nothing is done. There is good reason for pizzagate to exist.


    December 10, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • Dennis Hastert, the former Speaker of the House, was diddling boys.

      Hastert was doing that when he was a prole wrestling coach. Do we know if he kept up his habits while he was a politician?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 10, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    • Rotherham was NOTHING LIKE the allegations of Pizzagate. And in many ways the abuse in Rotherham only highlights the problem with believing Pizzagate–there were actual victims in Rotherham, who had families, who were complaing to the police, and to Social Services, to the BNP and the media. It was known about in the town, and in other towns where the same thing was happening. There were thousands of cases. Where are the victims of Pizzagate? Where are their families? With Pizzagate you have a crime with no actual victims.

      The authorities did nothing in Rotherham because of racial tensions and political correctness surrounding Muslims in England. If you are interested you can read the Jay Report concerning the social and political background in Rotherham and the North of England at the time. It’s interesting and enlightening, but there are no parallels with this in Pizzagate. If Pizzagate was true it would be because the entire political establishment was keeping their own wrong-doing secret. Keeping such a serious crime secret amongst such a large number of people for so long with no trace of any crime in a free country with the internet really cannot be compared to the sexual abuse of Rotherham. If you are looking for an American counterpoint to these events then it would be more something like the media silence on black-on-white rape or black on white muggings and beatings. It’s something people know about but refuse to deal with because it would take a resolve to deal with racial issues that whites don’t have. That’s explicable. Pizzagate really isn’t (or at least not proved to be).

      prolier than thou

      December 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • I will read the Jay Report.

        “The authorities did nothing in Rotherham because of racial tensions and political correctness surrounding Muslims in England.”

        How does class enter into the picture? If the girls were Oxbridge bound upper and upper-middle class girls, what would have happened?

        I just looked up 10 most affluent villages in UK. Could this have happened in any of them? I think the question answers itself. NO.

        Pizzagate is really stupid. As I’ve said, Alephantis probably goes for twinks, but the pictures of the kids are just pictures of kids in a pizza parlor.


        December 11, 2016 at 9:46 am

      • gothamette-

        Actually the report I was thinking of was this one, the Casey Report (although they both concern this subject, but this one is a lot more readable) The relevant part if you are interested is from the section headed ‘an unhealthy culture’. It’s worth reading if you have ever wondered exactly how things can play out in a multicultural society. I use it a lot when I’m arguing with ‘diversity is a strength’ types.

        Basically all the taxi firms in these towns are Muslim owned and run and it operates through these taxi firms, although it you read it you’ll see there’s more to it than that. Of course it is true that it is mostly working class white girls, often in care homes (who use taxi services all the time) although not always–and not always white girls either.

        Here’s a story I was told recently by a man I know who was working until recently as a prison officer in the North of England–he said that they had a group of respectable, nice-seeming Sikhs enter the prison together. There are hardly any Sikhs in prison and the staff wanted to know why they were there. It turned out they were from Sheffield, near Rotherham, and families from their community–and local white families too–had started complaining that Muslim taxi drivers were banging at their doors during the evening and demanding that they bring their daughters out to see them, and threatening them with the rape of their other daughters if they didn’t comply. These Sikh men were seen as community leaders and they wanted them to do something about it. So they started keeping a file of all the complaints and all the names, dates and details they could find and then took it to the police. Of course, as soon as the police found out it was Muslims they didn’t want to know. So these guys along with a large group of Sikh men went along to the taxi firms all tooled up and smashed them up and beat up the drivers. And got sent to prison for it.

        The person who told me this is a reliable guy and I have no reason to disbelieve the story–nor was he telling me in an anti-Muslim way at all, he only mentioned it as a way of showing me that they would try and look after people in prison that they liked by giving them the best jobs, etc.

        prolier than thou

        December 11, 2016 at 11:46 am

    • Trump was buddy buddy with Jeff Stein for a bit, I don’t think Trump believes in the pedo conspiracy, he was probably caught off guard by that himself. Trump is kind of a weird guy for being super rich, he has garish tastes but partakes in no drugs.


      December 11, 2016 at 4:43 am

    • Well said, NotWesley. This isn’t going away no matter what.

      Spirit cooking has to be one of the most bizarre and disgusting things I’ve seen with Podesta eating bowls of cum. This is not a libelous statement. It’s openly stated that sperm milk is an ingredient during spirit cooking. Lion insists it’s untrue but how would he know what occurs behind closed doors? Podesta’s ugly face has creep/pervert written all over it. Jimmy Saville also had a similar look and he was a pedophile satanist whose activities were linked to the UK monarchy.

      Wow people are actually curious as to why there aren’t tons of victims coming forward about pizzagate? It’s because these kids are drugged up and mostly come from broken homes. Usually when these sorts of allegations do come forward it’s the victim who is easy to discredit. These VIP pedophile rings know how to cover their tracks. While it’s true these things are less likely to exist in the United States for a variety of reasons they do exist.

      I’ll repost what I wrote earlier. Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was investigated in 2005 by local police in Florida who did a complete investigation before making an arrest in 2006. The case against Epstein was strong but when the local prosecutors began to back down due to pressure from Epstein’s high priced lawyers and VIP friends the case was handed over to the FBI and US Department of Justice which had the resources/power to fight back. Epstein was facing 20 years in prison but plead guilty in 2008 instead getting a much lighter sentence. He did have to register as a sex offender, spend one year in jail, pay millions in restitution to his victims, and perhaps most importantly turn over his VIP friend list which is how Bill Clinton’s name came up.

      Even Obama name dropped Epstein one time during his race for the Democratic nomination against Hillary. When Trump was being called a sexist early in the GOP primary Trump name dropped Epstein and the Clintons went silent. It’s like going nuclear on these people.

      Now another Clinton ally John Podesta is linked to pedophilia. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

      In separate blog post Lion discusses alleged Russian hacking assisting Trump but the pedophile scandal, hacking, and election are linked. All my info suggests that Trump was recruited by a faction of the US elites to fight these people and rescue the country from its overall sorry state. These Wikileaks dumps came from people in our own security/military apparatus which given the NSA’s electronic espionage reach is far more likely than Russian hacking. There is no doubt that the FBI helped Trump over the finish line and Comey will be recognized as a hero someday. The problem with intelligence however is that it usually can’t meet the strict burden of proof required in a court of law. These perverts are well connected and cover their tracks well but one thing we can do is raise awareness and expose them.


      December 11, 2016 at 5:08 am

      • It’s fake “spirit cooking” don’t take everything so literally.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2016 at 10:33 am

      • According to Lion global warming is a religion but Satanic rituals like spirit cooking aren’t. You also claim the mullahs in Iran believe their own rhetoric unlike the naive liberals making excuses for them. I don’t know what your motivation in defending this crap is but your worldview is logically inconsistent.


        December 11, 2016 at 11:06 pm

      • “According to Lion global warming is a religion but Satanic rituals like spirit cooking aren’t.”

        No one takes Satanic spirit cooking seriously, they know it’s a joke, it’s what they think is “art.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2016 at 11:40 pm

  4. This is not going away. It keeps getting weirder. Last month, The New York Times reported on a police action in Norway against “highly educated” suspects including “lawyers and politicians.” For some reason, the Times has scrubbed the article:

    Of course, the news was reported by other outlets. The few details made known are really disturbing.


    December 10, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    • The criminals in the Norway sting are facing a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison. That’s fucked up.


      December 10, 2016 at 5:53 pm

      • It’s Scandinavia. They’re like that over there. They believe in rehabiliation, etc.

        Don’t get me wrong, it may work with street criminals etc. but it’s probably at least part of the reason the Muslims are ripping through them.


        December 11, 2016 at 7:56 am

      • Oh, I realize you’re not defending them. I just have to say that I think it’s completely f’d up, even though I’m preaching to the choir.

        Fifteen years for participating in a scheme that would have your own child abused? That’s beyond my grasp.


        December 11, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      • Eurocucks are soft on crime. Europe is a dead continent. Keep in mind that most criminals are never caught and crime often goes unreported. It’s very likely crime rates are double even triple what is reported. That’s why most people at least in America support mass incarceration, death penalty, aggressive policing, and firearms ownership including concealed carry.


        December 11, 2016 at 11:13 pm

  5. The Podestas don’t display their art to proles. Prior to pizza-gate, no proles, except possibly the cleaning lady, were aware of their necrophiliac tastes and enjoyment of spirit cooking rituals. Only fellow elites get to see their art collection and the Podestas indeed do take sadistic enjoyment from disgusting their high-flying guests.

    Married, With Art

    Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents’ suburban homes.

    “They were horrified,” Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

    I these “folks” were Joe Sixpack and plane Jane. Also there are many ways to piss of Joe and Jane that don’t involve ingesting bodily fluids. A Karl Marx bust, toilet paper with the american flag on it, satanic symbols, an upside-down cross, Jesus in Nazi-uniform, … The options are limitless.

    Tony Podesta has to look at that grotesque, giant Jeffrey Dahmer victim corpse sculpture every day. If we apply Occam’s razor, then the most plausible explanation is that the Podestas actually do have necrophiliac and sadistic tendencies. The “art” angle is plausible deniability and also a convenient, tax-free form of investment.

    An art collection is also a display of wealth. Heather Miller Podesta was clearly impressed:

    No wonder Heather worries. Though her childhood was cultured, she was hardly schooled in the high-fashion — and big-money — realm of contemporary art. If Tony’s art infatuation developed gradually, Heather’s blossomed overnight.

    Miller, the daughter of academics, still marvels at her involvement in a world and way of life she got to know only after meeting her husband. She recalls one of their first visits to a gallery and how the owner told Podesta he had a work by a particular photographer “going cheap”. It turned out he wanted $40,000. “So I’m standing there in front of this photograph and I’m thinking to myself, like, ‘This is cheap?’ “


    December 10, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    • Correction: I doubt these “folks” were Joe Sixpack and plane Jane.


      December 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    • Heather and Tony are now divorced. Tony has a weird marriage history, which doesn’t slam dunk prove he’s closeted but still….he was married to an older woman, adopted her kids, divorced, married Heather, a stick thin career lady type.

      Verdict: closeted pederast.

      Wow, I never realized the potential double entendre in L’Enfant. I think you’re right.


      December 10, 2016 at 4:30 pm

      • Probably just a beta. I’m past my prime and run into lots of older women with kids and stick thin career ladies on OKC (end of TMI). I didn’t marry any, obviously, but Tony could just be a low-SMV male.


        December 11, 2016 at 7:58 am

      • What is OKC? TMI?

        You and Tony are in two different leagues. He lives in a very strange world, heavily homosexualized. The weirdos are the ones who are heterosexually married, stay that way, and have kids.


        December 11, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      • OKC =OkCupid a popular dating site. Another one is POF (Plenty of Fish).


        December 11, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    • I like art including provocative art but the Podestas are pedophiles.


      December 11, 2016 at 5:22 am

  6. Part of the reason the Republicans lost their House of Representatives majority was because of a scandal involving a Florida Congressman and some pages. It later turned out that Speaker of the House Hastert had been involved in something similar, but much worse, but no one outside DC knew this at the time.

    My experience in following the news for decades is that scandals involving public figures turn out to be worse than initially reported. They after all employ people who are pretty good about keeping things out of the media.


    December 10, 2016 at 2:26 pm

  7. Not all elites are into this kind of nihilistic degenerate art. It is mainly a feature is status whoring upper middle class liberals. The truly aristocratic (and more conservative) art world still prefers the classics. The great British scholar and art critic, Roger Scruton, has dismissed modern art for possessing neither truth or beauty, which is the purpose of art. He and his contemporaries are certainly not proles.


    December 10, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    • I don’t agree w/Scruton about all modern art. But I do agree w/him about contemporary art. It’s really disgusting. But none of Podesta’s artists have anything on Francis Bacon, or Hockney, whose work really is in a class by itself for nausea-inducing ugliness.


      December 10, 2016 at 5:32 pm

      • “But none of Podesta’s artists have anything on Francis Bacon, or Hockney, whose work really is in a class by itself for nausea-inducing ugliness”

        Personally I find Francis Bacon a creative and insighful painter and a true artist. Yes, his paintings are grotesque and ugly but they are so in a way that shows artistic feeling and sensibility for what works and what is powerful and memorable (once you experience his paintings they are seered into your brain forever) and a genuine attempt to convey a spirit of the times in which he lived, which is what an artist should be about.

        Podesta’s art on the other hand just seemed like dilettante trash which substitutes shock and disgust for meaning and creativity because that’s the closest the talentless can get to profundity; the art-world equivalent of drawing a dick on a school text book. I didn’t feel anything looking at it and most of it I can’t recall with any vividness after a few days.

        The twentieth century was in many ways a frightening time, the first moment in human history when we had the comforting certainties of religion, old patterns of living and of beauty and meaning ripped away from us and we stood naked and alone in the howling winds of the cold, empty modern world. I know these things are subjective but in the work of Francis Bacon (and also in the earlier Vorticist art movement) I get that thrilling sense of people who were daring themselves to look fully into the face of the present without flinching and then describing it. In it’s own way I find it quite conservative art.

        prolier than thou

        December 10, 2016 at 8:57 pm

      • Prolier,

        Great comment on Bacon, Vorticists, and how they differ from shallower art that shocks and does nothing more than shock.


        December 11, 2016 at 10:51 am

      • I loathe Bacon. Maybe he’s a great artist but to me, his stuff is about as aesthetically attractive as a public toilet. JMO.


        December 11, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      • Bacon is practically Leonardo compared to “luminaries” of contemporary art like sham artist/butcher Damien Hirst and his pickled dead animals in jars.


        December 11, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      • And Basquiat. But I still don’t like him.


        December 12, 2016 at 9:39 am

    • My taste tends towards yours and the great Roger Scruton’s. However, I don’t think we can consider it to be the reigning taste among European aristocrats. Prince Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein, a billionaire from an ancient family of the high aristocracy who reigns over a tiny principality located between Switzerland and Austria, prefers modern art to the priceless old masters in his family’s collection. And from a description of the book Great Houses, Modern Aristocrats on the Sotheby’s website:

      “Yet not all the art in these great houses dates back centuries, for these homes are not stuck in time. A brilliant example lies in County Waterford, Ireland, where William and Laura Cavendish, the energetic Earl and Countess of Burlington, have transformed a derelict wing of Lismore Castle into Lismore Castle Arts, a gallery space open to the public that showcases their collection of cutting-edge contemporary art.”–october-2016/2016/09/behind-every-great-house.html


      December 10, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    • Right. One example would be how truly upper-class people genuinely enjoy listening to classical music, while status-striving SWPLs will make a show of how they sometimes go to classical concerts, but will more passionately argue that “classic rock” is actually the height of human artistic achievement.


      December 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      • classic rock is very prole. most non-mexican dominated construction sites will be playing classic rock on their portable radios


        December 13, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    • Thank you. I’m sick of upper middle class and affluent liberals being misleadingly labeled as “elites”. The actual elites are fairly conservative and switch between supporting different political parties. David Rockefeller is a good example.


      December 11, 2016 at 5:34 am

      • IMHO Rockefellers and the TOOS are just the help, and not very competent at it.

        My experience with the elites is they have very little to do with money but connections. Their families are incomprehensibly old and transnational, brilliant as in your normal genius is to them an idiot, and they are willing to directly kill their adversaries if they’re directly blocked.

        They’re fairly benevolent, seeing themselves as the hyper-intelligent, kindly philosopher-kings slowly growing in numbers and mopping up the cultural leftovers of the disaster of Middle Ages. The US of A is their pride and joy, a launching pad for the future. The rest of us are visitors or squatters or kindergartners until they get around to us.

        My read is they no more care about Pizzagate than you would about a schoolyard fight. Up to us to police it. If it gets out of hand, though, people will surgically vanish. Jesus, they’ve made whole Empires vanish.

        Lion is on to something with the cultural PC/Marxist types not getting it, though.


        December 12, 2016 at 10:05 am

      • The United States was the first country created from the Enlightenment. The problem with “democracy” is that as the franchise expanded the real power structures went into the shadows. I agree that David Rockefeller is the most visible arm of an otherwise invisible empire representing an extremely powerful eastern establishment whose lineage can be traced to the founding.


        December 13, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    • You may well have some access to high-flying art types I don’t, but from reading the NYT etc. what I gather is that art is essentially a risky investment for rich people, and the modern art is more volatile and hence favored by people who like to gamble (which is of course most people who become rich).

      Conservative intellectuals are another story, of course, but they’re a fraction of a fraction, since conservatives hate intellectuals and intellectuals hate conservatism. The liberal takeover of academia has probably deprived us of a generation of guys who could teach Shakespeare and Michelangelo really well to college kids in flyover country.


      December 11, 2016 at 8:03 am

  8. of course the NYT debunks the most ridiculous aspects of the story, and not the alefante’s twitter feed with pictures of young children, or tony podesta’s pedophile art collection. #fakenews


    December 10, 2016 at 2:39 pm

  9. So-called pizzagate is probably a case of confirmation bias run amok as Scott Adams has opined, but I think a lot of the dark rumors about Jeffery Epstein are true.

    Two in the Bush

    December 10, 2016 at 2:48 pm

  10. Art: All elites believe that any art that proles find pretty is “kitsch” and not worthy art. And furthermore, there’s a art-culture movement which supports art that truly disgusts the proles

    This is one reason many elites hated Oprah’s book club. She took books that only elites enjoyed and got couch potatoes and working class women to love them, so elites could no longer feel superior for liking those books.


    December 10, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    • For someone who is easily triggered by Marxism and who labels it jealousy you seem awfully bitter toward the upper middle class/upper class. If the actual elites wanted something censored it wouldn’t exist on TV, radio, and even the internet like how almost no positive or even neutral discussion of communism exists except on the fringes at least in America.


      December 11, 2016 at 5:47 am

      • Realistically Marx was probably a very deep thinker who made a lot of good inferences, but a lot of his followers seem motivated by jealousy.

        I don’t believe class is that useful a lense to view modern America; a country where the plain spoken self-made man is more admired than the hoity-toity aristocrat.

        I believe there are 3 relatively independent types of power: popularity (politicians, elite celebs), intellectual influence (the NY Times, elite academics) and money (Bill Gates, George Soros). With the exception of the intelligentsia, many U.S. elites are proles.


        December 11, 2016 at 2:43 pm

      • “a country where the plain spoken self-made man is more admired than the hoity-toity aristocrat”

        Maybe a hundred years ago, not today. Not to say that we admire “hoity-toity aristocrats” but rather we admire people who act like Ivy League graduates are supposed to act.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      • Maybe a hundred years ago, not today. Not to say that we admire “hoity-toity aristocrats” but rather we admire people who act like Ivy League graduates are supposed to act.

        If you look at Gallup’s most admired list, it’s full of people who talk like ordinary people: trump, sarah palin, bill Clinton, billy graham, George w bush, Oprah

        Now a lot of those people went to Ivy League schools, but they don’t act like Ivy Leaguers

        A major exception is obama, but people could forgive his social class elitism because his racial background was very non-elite


        December 11, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      • I guess this depends on your definition of “we.” Sarah Palin is certainly not admired by educated people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 11, 2016 at 3:35 pm

      • Sarah Palin is certainly not admired by educated people.

        And that’s what makes social class of limited relevance in the U.S.. You can be hated by the intelligentsia & the aristocrats yet still wield enormous power because you’re worshipped by millions of ordinary Americans who put you in the White House or make you a gazillionaire. That’s the American dream: anyone can be president. America prides itself in transcending class, though ironically it has less economic mobility than other developed countries

        And often the intelligentsia gets the last laugh because these populist leaders sometimes lack the IQ or education to know how to use their power, so they’re manipulated by Ivy League neocons as George W Bush was


        December 11, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • “no positive or even neutral discussion of communism exists except on the fringes at least in America.”

        Go to your local public school or watch TV.

        It would be more appropriate to say: “no positive or even neutral discussion of capitalism exists except on the fringes at least in America.” Though that’s changing.


        December 12, 2016 at 10:07 am

      • who talks about communism anymore? what is this 1975?

        james n.s.w

        December 12, 2016 at 10:15 am

      • That’s just a conservative talking point, Robert. Democracy is only useful as a pressure valve for rural proles.

        Marxism is extremely relevant today the financial crisis and the ongoing malaise in the west is the Berlin Wall of capitalism.


        December 13, 2016 at 10:36 pm

  11. its disappointing that they didnt cover some of the more fishy emails that seemed to contain code words.

    Probable that they are drug or under table pay off related rather than pr0n.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    December 10, 2016 at 3:13 pm

  12. Lion,

    The first paragraph of the article reads as follows:

    “In the span of a few weeks, a false rumor that Hillary Clinton
    and her top aides were involved in various crimes snowballed
    into a wild conspiracy theory that they were running a
    child-trafficking ring out of a Washington pizza parlor. The fast
    evolution of the false theory revealed how a powerful mix of fake
    news and social media led an armed North Carolina man to
    investigate the rumors about the pizza place, Comet Ping Pong, last Sunday.”

    This is actually incorrect. Nobody suggested that Hillary Clinton and her top aides were running a pedophile ring out of Comet Ping Pong. What is suggested is that coded language involving child trafficking figured prominently in several of John Podesta’s emails, eventually connecting to Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza. A further analysis of language and symbols then caused the theory to metastasize.

    “The police refuted the claims of an online pedophile ring running out of Comet Ping Pong, but the theories continued.”

    Where did the police refute it?

    “The photo shows a walk-in refrigerator supposedly in the restaurant, described as part of a network of underground facilities. However, a reporter can confirm that there is no basement in Comet Ping Pong.”

    The refrigerator was never described as some part of underground network. It was presented because it comes from the owners’ online account where commentators are making weird macabre statements about…like calling it a #killroom. Read the comments describing the room. They are right next to the photograph.

    “However, the two e-fits were based on descriptions of a single suspect by two witnesses, not two different suspects, a crucial detail that was left out.”

    Even if you assume that those composites were of one person, what are the odds that both accounts would come up looking like John and Tony Podesta? Furthermore, why assume that there was a single suspect? The reason why two different witness accounts came up with John and Tony Podesta is because of a hand-off. Witness #1 sees John Podesta carrying Madeline Mcann at around Time Period 1. John Podesta hands-off Mcann to Tony Podesta. At Time Period 2, Witness #2 sees Tony Podesta carrying Mcann. We’re supposed to think that the eye-witness accounts are discredited because one person can’t look like two completely different people, which supports the leftist narrative that eye-witness accounts are unreliable, when the belief that there is one suspect is the unreliable assumption.

    Of course, this is the Italian police, the same police that believed an upper-middle class white girl brutally stabbed her roommates to death, instead of the Nigerian they were living with.


    December 10, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    • The McCann child disappeared in Portugal.

      Del Gue

      December 10, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • Correct.

        My mistake.


        December 10, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    • Good point by point breakdown. Too many questions haven’t been answered or have been white washed.


      December 11, 2016 at 5:51 am

  13. The entire art establishment and the people who invest $billions in it are the biggest chumps in the world. It has been revealed that the Abstract Expressionist and other crap art movements of the 50s through 60s was promoted by the CIA as a way to obliquely attack Soviet communist culture. Pollack, De Kooning, Rothko, Warhol, etc… were limited talent frauds. To his credit, Warhol, knew that he was a fraud but had fun with it and milked the art world for all he could get out of it.


    December 10, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    • Manhattan represents the zenith of Art Elitism in the entire nation — yet its elite museums are full of NAMs, and lower admissions also invite proles…so in essence it’s for everyone, and there isn’t anything elitist in viewing art that is deemed elite. So yes, these people are chumps who think their world is exclusively elite.


      December 10, 2016 at 4:39 pm

      • When was the last time you were in a museum? No NAMS there.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      • 2 NAMs are shown here at the Metropolitan Museum of Art:

        Lion, you make me laugh sometimes. Liberals in America are finally caving into their ideology with sheer honesty. Hamilton remains the most coveted Broadway Show to watch with tickets in the price range of $1k and up. And guess what? Soon liberals will be complaining about the show, which is mostly performed by NAMs, being too cost prohibitive for NAMs.

        We’re living in a twilight zone…if Sergey Brin’s ex-wife is now with Alex Rodriquez…no need for elite liberals to fess up about their hypocrisy, they’re practicing it.

        I suggest anyone to leave America for a better country, because it will get worse for racially aware White people.


        December 10, 2016 at 7:57 pm

      • The black kid in front obviously comes from a rich black family, they exist.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      • And more NAMs in the same art museum:


        December 10, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      • Well that could have been a class trip. Trust me, I go to msueums and there are no NAMs there, at least not the bad kind.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      • And these images are actually on the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s website:


        December 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

      • If it’s on the website, then it’s because they were cherry-picked by white liberals who feel bad that the art is never viewed by blacks and Hispanics.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      • Then it proves my point. Manhattan represents the elite art world, and its museums advertise these images!!!


        December 10, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      • You’re confusing the actual museum experience with some photos that make liberals feel better about working for a nearly all-white institution.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 10, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      • –Teens Take the Met! Courtesy of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.


        December 10, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      • “I go to msueums and there are no NAMs there, at least not the bad kind.”

        No true Scotsman?


        December 10, 2016 at 9:24 pm

      • >>The black kid in front obviously comes from a rich black family, they exist.

        Only SWPL type blacks can afford to wear an afro these days.


        December 11, 2016 at 12:13 am

    • That’s interesting. Where did you read that?

      You might find this amusing:$%26%25_Is_Jackson_Pollock%3F

      It’s hilarious. Someone should make a movie of it, but no one will, because Hollywood would be lampooning itself.


      December 10, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      • Daniel

        December 11, 2016 at 12:17 am

      • Thank you.

        I had heard rumors of this.

        The thing is, I find Soviet realism tedious as well. And just because “the proles” hate something doesn’t mean I like it.

        I forget his name, but Lion once referred to some hack who died in the last few years, who made a ton doing sugary religious art. I’m not saying that’s good either. But I do think you should be able to draw before you call yourself a painter. David Hockney admitted that his drawing skills were poor and after becoming successful, he tried to improve his drafting skills, which I find admirable. But I still don’t care for his work.

        I consider the Abstract Expressionists decent card designers. But they aren’t artists.



        December 11, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    • How are they chumps if they invest in something that goes up in value and brings them prestige and status?


      December 10, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      • People said the same thing about Tulips in 17th century Holland.


        December 11, 2016 at 12:19 am

      • It’s a gamble for rich guys, like investing in startups. You blow a million on some lady who took a picture of her lower intestine and covered it with tampons and said it was a metaphor for the way society treats women. Maybe someone else will pay twenty million for it if she promotes it well, maybe they won’t. You have a few million to blow that way.


        December 11, 2016 at 8:06 am

      • So the people who end up losing money will be chumps. People lose money in stocks all the time, are all stock investors chumps?


        December 11, 2016 at 9:00 am

  14. The Times wasn’t sneering back in the 1980s when scores of men and women had their lives ruined by the daycare sex abuse hysteria that spread like a virus across the land. In fact two prominent Democrat politicians made their political mark (Janet Reno and Martha Coakley) by prosecuting and denying due process to falsely convicted men. If you want to read more about this nightmare that swept the land in the 1980s check out the Wiki page.

    The only journalist of the time, that I can recall, who challenged these obvious frauds were Dorothy Rabinowitz of the Wall Street Journal and Nat Hentoff of the the Village Voice. The Times like every other liberal media organ of the time swallowed the bullshit fed to them by unhinged police and prosecutors. The charges leveled against scores of men and women were so ridiculous and absurd that the very presentation of the charges discredited them. My, how things have changed.


    December 10, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • I once worked inside a courthouse, and my office was just around the corner from the chambers of a judge who was trying one of those mid-80’s satanic child abuse cases that resulted in thousands of years in prison sentences. I remember that there was a hearing in which defense attorneys were arguing that the male defendants’ penises were too large to have penetrated the 7-year old victim’s rectum. Everyone was passing photographs of the subject body parts around for inspection. Eventually the kids recanted their stories and some of the convictions were overturned, but not all.

      You Know Me

      December 10, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      • This is the reason men avoid education as a career.


        December 11, 2016 at 8:07 am

    • The so called Satanic panic in the 1980s was mostly legitimate.

      I’m glad to see justice was done and perverts were imprisoned.


      December 12, 2016 at 2:51 am

    • The Libertarians were quick to attack the hysteria including in magazines like REASON. Then they started suing and setting up legal advice hotlines and winning. This was all happening at the same time as the wife-rape nonsense.

      Dorothy Rabinowitz of the Wall Street Journal and Nat Hentoff of the the Village Voice are progressives who typically mimic the libertarians after a few years when they start to win and try and get credit for the Left…


      December 12, 2016 at 10:16 am

  15. Lion,

    “Art: All elites believe that any art that proles find pretty is “kitsch” and not worthy art. And furthermore, there’s a art-culture movement which supports art that truly disgusts the proles. The proles pushing #pizzagate don’t get this, and imagine the only reason people would display disgusting art is because they are personally into disgusting things. They are unable to understand the subtle messages of irony and cultural superiority.”

    A true cosmopolite understands that “art” is a classical term for “skill.” The most basic purpose of an artist is to demonstrate his technical superiority. He then combines that technical superiority with truth and beauty. If he successfully combines all three with the avant-garde, then he is a genius.

    Art is like athletics. We recognize a superior athlete because they move faster, jump higher, hit harder, and display high levels of fine motor control. Modern degenerate art is to real art what the special Olympics is to the real Olympics.

    The left celebrates degenerate art because it cannot accept that there is anything better or greater than themselves. They believe that their own pedestrian ugliness is the standard of all so they promote it at every level.


    December 10, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    • How does a proud and noble American people elect such degenerates to power. Leaders are supposed to reflect a nation’s character. Is election fraud in blue districts now so rampant that every miscreant now commands a district?

      Forget liberals and trucons, the entire elite needs a purge similar to how Stalin purged the highest ranks of Poland (except that was to their detriment). Will the EEOC then sue for disparate impact?

      We need asset forfeiture used against half of DC, let them live in the hell they created. They’ve earned some comeuppance. Will Trump amass enough power to dole out Justice?


      December 10, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    • map took the words out of my mouth.

      The quality that genuine works of art share is that a high level of technical skill is involved in their creation. Try to write a sonnet like the one that begins: “Shall I compare thee to a Summer’s day”. Not only do the lines have to scan and rhyme, but they also have to make sense, and the poem as a whole has to say something interesting. I doubt that most of us could complete one sonnet with the wit and ingenuity of Shakespeare’s, even if we spent the rest of our lives working on it, yet for Shakespeare they were a minor accomplishment.

      Technical skill is sometimes acquired by study. A musical score by any serious composer demonstrates a massive amount of acquaintance with musical theory: key signatures, sharps and flats, tempo, and so on. The performer displays incredible technical skill too.Thus we admire not just the playwright, but also the player, So serious artistic achievement involves a great deal of training, of “knowing how”, together with talent and perseverance. So that the rest of us will say: I could not have done that. (In this respect, art is rather like sport, – think of Lionel Messi or Magnus Carlsen or Ronnie O’Sullivan.)

      In exceptional cases, perhaps, authentic works of art do not require a great deal of technical competence. I think that the famous prehistoric cave paintings in France and Spain are undoubtedly genuine works of art. Some of the poems written by soldiers on or near the front line during the two world wars might on occasion leave something to be desired, technically, but their creators were obviously not in a position to devote themselves to their work. The Dadaists were responding to the industrial scale destruction of the First World War. It is no wonder that artists would respond to these horrific events in an angry, even nihilistic way, and want to show their contempt for a system that had brought about the slaughter of millions of young soldiers. Maybe it was not great art, but one can perhaps understand where they were coming from. It is also true that the innovators in the early days of modernism had already shown that they were technically supremely accomplished. Picasso, Schoenberg, Webern, T S Eliot, Joyce were all modernists and innovators but in their early career they all showed how well they could paint,compose, write, when doing so in the conventional way.

      However, the so-called artists of today have no good reasons or credentials such as these. They are not creating in the aftermath of a terrible war. They have never produced any more mainstream work that demonstrates great technical skill. And so if the drawing is not very good, or if the rhymes are “doggerel”, then we suspect that either the artist is not trying hard enough, or is not sufficiently talented and should choose another career. If one senses that the artist is not fully committed or not fully in command of his craft, then we have the right to ask why we should take his work seriously, why should we be bothered with it.

      Artists no longer try to impress us by their technical skill, but try instead to be noticed by shock or offence. One of countless examples of this dismal practice was the montage of Myra Hindley exhibited at the Tate Modern a few years ago. The skill required to created this “work of art” was that possessed by anyone with access to a photocopier, and whatever “point” the alleged artist was trying to make, it was never going to be sufficient reason for the distress to those affected by her crimes. The artist must have thought that what he or she was doing was “anti-Establishment”, but when some public-spirited individuals vandalised the “work”, the artist and the gallery were very quick to run to the Establishment’s courts to claim damages.

      Modern art is boring and predictable, and if artists really wanted to shock then they would work on their technique. However, sometimes I admit to having been shocked by modern art, when I learn that some gallery or some private individual has been foolish enough to part with tens of thousands of pounds for some scribble, or pile of junk. Is it coming out of our taxes? I hope not.

      Some years ago I was tutoring a somewhat thick young woman who called herself an abstract artist. She wanted to become a teacher and needed to pass an entrance exam to get into teacher’s training college. I was giving her instruction on the maths component of the test. One of the questions required that she draw a cube. As she was an artist, I assumed that this would be a very simple task for her, as indeed it is for almost anyone over the age of nine. To my astonishment, I found that she could not draw a cube. She could not see how it would be represented on two dimensions. She called herself an artist yet she could not draw a cube! Clearly, she had no talent at all for art, but because what she practised was “modern” art, where anything goes, she never discovered how limited she was. She had never had the opportunity to grow. In much the same way that if your mistakes are never pointed out, then you never learn. So it is not just the public, but also the artists, who are being let down.


      December 10, 2016 at 6:13 pm

      • Mate, this is a great comment!


        December 12, 2016 at 7:31 am

    • Map proving again she’s the best commentator on the Lion.


      December 12, 2016 at 2:53 am

    • “what the special Olympics is to the real Olympics”

      Ayn Rand said basically the same thing a half-century ago. Most ‘modern’ art is a at best design and at worst a fraud born of disintegrated minds.

      Lord knows I met a few of them in my Hollywood days.


      December 12, 2016 at 10:23 am

  16. Romney lost out on the SoS post to the CEO of Exxon; Bolton is now deputy at the State Department.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    December 10, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    • Bolton is now deputy at the State Department.

      Bolton might fail Senate confirmation.

      He’s an unrepentant, neocon war monger.

      I hope he is rejected and replaced by Dana Roerbacher.


      December 11, 2016 at 4:35 am

    • He’s an unrepentant, neocon war monger.

      Actually I was joking about Bolton being a Neocon.

      Bolton isn’t a neocon, maybe the reason altright/paleo blockheads such as yourself can’t defeat the Neocons is because you’re too stupid to know what a Neocon is?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 11, 2016 at 10:49 am

      • LOL @ TUJ being triggered by the alt-right. That said Bolton was a good US ambassador to the UN frequently highlighting the corruption and hypocrisy of the organization. He was also an early Trump supporter and deserves a fair reward. I’m glad Romney wasn’t Secretary of State I would have preferred almost anyone but him given his disgusting comments during the campaign. I like Trump’s pick for SoS having both a strong private sector background and dovish views. Bolton’s talents will also be better used as a deputy.


        December 12, 2016 at 3:03 am

      • LOL @ TUJ being triggered by the alt-right.

        I’m not being “triggered” by the alt-right, I’m saying they don’t know what a Neocon is (Bolton isn’t) because they’re too stupid to understand there are more foreign policy divisions than just those between paleocon pundits and their neocon pundit-enemies.

        And don’t assume Rex is necessarily a dove. He is a Texan who might well have hawkish reasons to make nice with Russia.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 13, 2016 at 6:10 pm

      • Iraq War.

        As the pumpkin person says, that’s the IQ test of our era.

        But in the politician sense – that’s the moral test of our era.

        1m lives, hundred thousand injured, ISIS, 6tr and counting, massive human migration and based on obvious lies….from people like Bolton.

        They man should have been imprisoned and barred from public service. I hope PTSD veterans who are mentally broken now due to this dingbat beat the shit out of him if they see him on the street.

        The Philosopher

        December 13, 2016 at 6:43 pm

      • TUJ – Your hatred of the alt-right is well established and not entirely unreasonable given their at times excessive sympathies toward antisemitism.

        Philosopher – As for the Iraq war I agree but Bolton himself didn’t create America’s global corporate empire. It has been in existence for a long time at least a hundred years now although its origins go back likely earlier to the 19th century with the war of northern aggression being the first US regime change.


        December 20, 2016 at 4:50 am

  17. It doesn’t mater because the people who are behind #pizzagate are higher status than the NYTs writers.

    white girlz for all

    December 10, 2016 at 5:41 pm

  18. Those emails are written in code, and that is beyond dispute. Precisely their real subject matter is the question, and we know it’s something loathsome and/or criminal; otherwise, why speak in code?

    #pizzagate is far from over, regardless how hysterically the gaystream media screeches FAKE NEWS!


    December 10, 2016 at 5:49 pm

  19. Quote for new article on DailyKos:

    “On Saturday, the nation seemed poised on the edge of a genuine constitutional crisis, with information leaking out that not only did Russia deliberately interfere with the election, they did so with the explicit purpose of supporting Donald Trump.”

    Can’t make this stuff up, folks.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 10, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    • I don’t understand…I thought Donald Trump was a dangerous lunatic with his finger on the button and all the nukes pointed at Russia.

      Why would Russia want him as president?


      December 10, 2016 at 10:45 pm

      • no one on te left ever said he had nukes pointed at russia, just that he would use nukes. never specifically at russia. i mean most of the foreign policy criticisms of him have been lame so far (but putting bolton as deputy secretary of state??? thats eye brow raising yet again) but ive never heard anyone say that. lame straw man.

        james n.s.w

        December 11, 2016 at 12:36 am

      • Now they have switched it to Trump going to war with China or Iran.

        I think we’ll do okay with Iran. Obama worked out a pretty good deal with them. I don’t know what the deal is with China. I really don’t have a problem with them but the way the left has suddenly gone crazy defending China’s honor makes me think their must be something bad about China.

        What I don’t get is why Trump is breaking China’s balls. I thought we wanted to avoid unnecessary foreign policy problems?

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 11, 2016 at 2:49 am

  20. “Now why would anyone take children to a restaurant where gay people hang out instead of Chuck E Cheese?”

    Chuck E Cheese is notorious for ghetto fights. Lots of brawls on youtube.


    December 11, 2016 at 6:55 am

  21. A bit rich after reporting every zinger by Trump as if it were an awful, awful fact. The Walter Duranty award is in the mail.


    December 11, 2016 at 7:49 am

  22. Remember in the first Clinton admin they got their hands on all those FBI files? Maybe now we know some of what was in them.


    December 11, 2016 at 5:30 pm

  23. The merit of pizzagate lies not in it being true. It lies in it being a rhetorical device that the right can use to whip up a frenzy/moral panic/witch-hunt against the left to disempower them. The left does this all the time with their racism and sexism moral panics. I.e. patriarchy theory in feminism could be described as a ‘conspiracy theory’ as it attributes malevolent intentions to men and institutions which cannot possibly be known due to their subjective nature (how do you know what someone is thinking?). The same with racism and sexism.


    December 12, 2016 at 1:45 am

    • Chris is right.

      I’ll add Marxism and all its derivations are basically crackpot conspiracy theories by and for people who have no idea what’s going on in even simple things, like a business.


      December 12, 2016 at 10:18 am

  24. Well, I hate to say I told you so.

    If people knew 10% of what I know, we’d all be para shiz. Hahahahaha.

    I’ve come to bitterly realise that one must never underestimate human nature.

    The Philosopher

    December 12, 2016 at 5:55 am

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