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Obama, Putin, and Heinlein

Gothamette writes in a comment:

What do you call today’s press conference? Obama said the Russians hacked the election, and that Trump embraced it.

I realize this might not be as important as an old Robert Heinlein novel, or a Christmas video about Jews, but still.

Gothamette, perhaps, is not following my Tweets. I tweeted:

This is really the same-ol’ same-ol’ that I’ve been writing about for months. An old Robert Heinlein novel is more interesting, isn’t it? I thought people were tried of all the Trump posts and wanted me to write about other stuff.

Or maybe it’s worse than the same-ol’. Now that I think about it, of course the Russians have been trying to read the emails of our nation’s top decision makers, for the regular purposes of gathering intelligence. That’s why it’s so outrageous that HRC was using a private email server free from the normal government security. But that doesn’t mean that WikiLeaks got the emails from Russia. Julian Assange is probably telling the truth about that. Who do you believe, Assange who’s mission is telling the world the truth about everything, or the CIA which previously said that Iraq had nuclear weapons because that’s what George W. Bush wanted them to say? If Russia has been reading our emails, why let the cat out of the bag and put everyone on guard, preventing emails from being read in the future? And there is also the fact that HRC said that Trump is too dangerous to be in charge of the nuclear weapons, and all of the nuclear weapons are pointed at Russia; if we are to believe HRC, Russia wouldn’t want to let the U.S. nuclear weapons fall into the hands of Donald Trump.

Since it’s impossible for any meaningful retaliation to happen against Russia in the month that Obama still has left in office, this is something that should be passed on to the next administration instead of being used as propaganda to weaken the next administration. One of the alleged reasons Russia allegedly did this is to cast doubt on our democracy, and if that’s true, using this to weaken Donald Trump and cast doubt as to whether he fairly won the election is doing exactly what Putin intended the hack to do. If we believe the CIA.

Someone needs to tell Obama that the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back, because the Cold War has been over for 25 years. Maybe Mitt Romney can deliver the message.

There is certainly a huge overreaction to this, making as if it’s the worst thing that a foreign country ever did to the United States, as if we aren’t also secretly hacking other countries to gather intelligence, and as if we don’t try to influence elections in other countries. Sending a few emails to Wikileaks is more like a college prank than a grave national threat. The government should be a lot more worried about the billion Yahoo accounts stolen by hackers. In fact, I am absolutely sure that our intelligence agencies know about worse hacks, but they are kept classified and not leaked to the press because they don’t serve any liberal anti-Trump propaganda narrative.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 16, 2016 at 7:15 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Sending some emails to Wikileaks is more like a college prank than a grave national threat.

    You need to honestly ask yourself if you would say the same thing if they had release RNC emails and Trump had just lost in a very close election.

    magnavox

    December 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    • The RNC emails would have shown that they were plotting against Trump and trying to get him to lose to Cruz or Rubio or Jeb. How would that have caused Trump to lose votes?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 16, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      • I think you’re deliberately (I hope) missing the point. Outside of its effects on helping one party over the other what happened isn’t good on any level, even if the Russian government had nothing to do with it. If nothing else it hurts the country because people need to be able to enter government service without worrying that their emails will be published and obsessed over by the public.

        And Trump doesn’t seem to have anything like the professionalism and restraint of Clinton. So this kind of openness is worse for Trump than Clinton, even if he happened to benefit from it here.

        magnavox

        December 16, 2016 at 8:59 pm

      • And Trump doesn’t seem to have anything like the professionalism and restraint of Clinton.

        What the f*ck are you talking about you moron!? Clinton is a goddamned traitor to the United States and you’re saying somehow her losing, in whatever way she may have lost, wasn’t a wholly good and wonderful mercy upon this country by the Man upstairs??

        Just get lost.

        Andrew E.

        December 16, 2016 at 10:24 pm

      • Magnavox,

        You’re not getting something important. Assume any Russian involvement was there, which I don’t, what was the extent of this “hacking?” Did Putin change any physical or electronic ballots? Did he MK-Ultra any Americans into voting for Donald Trump? Did he air drop tens of thousands of Russian troops with fake id’s into precincts to have them vote for Trump? None of this happened.

        What was released was evidence of soft conspiracies against the public, corruption, lies, cheating and all kinds of sordid details. I mean, they were using Gmail, for God’s sake.

        If they wanted more privacy then they should have used more discretion.

        map

        December 17, 2016 at 12:23 am

      • Trump doesn’t treat the Russian hacking/CIA stuff with any kind of seriousness because it’s obvious bullshit. It’s rhetoric being used to undermine Trump, so Trump uses rhetoric right back to undermine their authority instead. Anyone with sense can infer that. But Trump doesn’t need to infer it. He knows it for certain. Because he has White Hats within the government and in intelligence (Flynn, et al) giving him regular briefings and they know who leaked the DNC materials to Wikileaks and what the Black Hats in the CIA are trying to do by lying about the Russians.

        Andrew E.

        December 17, 2016 at 12:24 am

      • I think you’re all really emotionally immature if you can’t imagine things slightly as slightly different and realize how outraged you would all be if Trump had lost and a criminal act by a foreign government plausibly swung the election. You’re all just mindlessly aping fringe internet commentary on the contents of the emails and in the alternate universe I’m describing you would be making the same kind of unhinged comments about whichever foreign power cost Trump the election.

        magnavox

        December 17, 2016 at 11:15 am

      • And how do we know that Angela Merkel and other leftwing world leaders WEREN’T secretly helping HRC?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 17, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      • If nothing else it hurts the country because people need to be able to enter government service without worrying that their emails will be published and obsessed over by the public.

        So what you’re saying is that Hillary is unfit for government service because she didn’t secure her computer system.

        I do believe magnavox is finally learning!

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 17, 2016 at 11:37 am

      • “I think you’re deliberately (I hope) missing the point. Outside of its effects on helping one party over the other what happened isn’t good on any level, even if the Russian government had nothing to do with it. ”

        That’s always the case though. There are constantly news stories that help one side and hurt the other. The Hollywood Access tape was dug up by NBC with the help of a couple Republican #nevertrumps for the sole purpose of hurting Trump; not because there was anything particularly newsworthy about it.

        Mike Street Station

        December 18, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    • Its fake news.

      The Iraq war was an IQ test.

      This is another IQ test.

      Its so transparently fake. I can’t say anything more other than Assange himself implicitly confirmed who the leaker was to Sean Hannity.

      Seth Rich has been buried a few months now.

      The Philosopher

      December 17, 2016 at 5:15 am

      • On a related subject. Stop looking at the MSM. Its 80% horsehit and distortion. This is the same MSM that promotes abolishing the border and then says other countries with borders are a threat to national security.

        ITS A JOKE.

        The Philosopher

        December 17, 2016 at 5:16 am

      • The murder of Seth Rich is very strange. Can it be investigated in some way? If wikileaks actually knows that Mr Rich gave the emails to them I would like Assange to reveal it. That would certainly settle things.

        Hillary lost the election for so many reasons, it is hardly worth bothering about. Even when she was healthy in 2008, she was hardly a people person. This time around, even the Dems admitted she was unlikeable, and I don’t think she was healthy enough to really campaign in places like Michigan, a state she apparently never visited. Who does that?

        So for the next two weeks we’ll have some boring bullshit about how Trump is illegitimate because “the Russians” hacked some emails, and the media people will say he should be impeached and then it will fade into the next news cycle, which will probably focus on Trump’s business interests, since they seem to have that one simmering on the stove already…..But will be the story after the story after the story? Can it even be predicted?

        The Shepherd

        December 17, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      • Yes. The media was very angry after Trump bitchslapped them all.He gathered them all into a room and shivered their timbers. http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-media-meeting-press-cbs-nbc-cnn-fox-2016-11?r=US&IR=T
        They are now deranged and looking for anything. Including made up stuff like this. It’ll get easier and easier for Trump though. After the 10 women (remember them?) came forward, there’s nothing much more they can do on the Richter scale short of accusing him of cold blooded murder.

        The Philosopher

        December 17, 2016 at 12:22 pm

  2. Lion,

    Correct, I haven’t been reading your tweets. But that’s not my point. You really aren’t getting this. I am watching the PBS News Hour now. Judy Woodruff put it this way, “this puts a cloud over our democracy.”

    Now, I know that you and everyone here is going to laugh at this. I laugh at it myself. But that’s what the Dems are saying. Hillary is saying this. Obama is saying this. Further, they are saying that Trump himself by rejecting this “demeans and delegitimates” the CIA.

    This is leftist gaslighting par excellence, the point of which is to delegitimate Donald Trump as President.

    I’ve never seen anything remotely like this. It’s not the Russians that the Democrats are after. It’s Trump – and his voters. That’s not same old, same old. That really is something new.

    gothamette

    December 16, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    • Further, they are saying that Trump himself by rejecting this “demeans and delegitimates” the CIA.

      Rifleman

      December 16, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      • I’m not sure why you quoted Ann Coulter. I don’t believe in this hacking bullshit, and I don’t think the CIA is always right.

        The Democrats (and a few Republicans, among them McCain, who has called this alleged hacking “an act of war”) are saying that criticism of the CIA is by definition unpatriotic, and that supporting Trump is participating in an act of treason. They are saying that he is was not legitimately elected. They are saying he’s a Russian puppet. A traitor.

        Capisce?

        gothamette

        December 16, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      • I’m not sure why you quoted Ann Coulter.

        Because Ann is pointing out that the CIA has a history of bumbling incompetence and that to be critical of them is NOT inherently unreasonable or unpatriotic.

        Capisce?

        Yes, I understood your original point and was calling in Coulter to criticize the CIA worshipers, either the Dems or McCain.

        Rifleman

        December 16, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      • I don’t know how accurate the CIA was or even if reports of what the CIA is actually claiming are correct. But does anyone think for a second that Trump gave some reasoned and mature response to what happened? I think it’s pretty obvious he just shot his mouth off.

        magnavox

        December 16, 2016 at 9:02 pm

      • We know that Trump is low-class, but therein lies his charm, and the Constitution doesn’t say that a low-class person can’t be President. There was Andrew Jackson and Harry S Truman.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      • We know that Trump is low-class, but therein lies his charm, and the Constitution doesn’t say that a low-class person can’t be President. There was Andrew Jackson and Harry S Truman.

        You an’t get much lower class than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

        Rifleman

        December 16, 2016 at 9:46 pm

      • Do you like my new gravatar? It’s a Malinois.

        gothamette

        December 16, 2016 at 10:13 pm

      • Do you like my new gravatar? It’s a Malinois.

        https://tineye.com/search/16ca0eb16a8712105a1972e7fbb2d2e3420dd638/

        Cute pup but I miss the cat.

        Rifleman

        December 16, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      • We know that Trump is low-class

        What I said isn’t being low class it’s being impulsive and irrational.

        magnavox

        December 16, 2016 at 11:13 pm

      • Trump doesn’t play buy upper-class rules, but I don’t see that it’s irrational, it was very effective in getting the proles to vote for him, almost as if there was a master plan to it all.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 16, 2016 at 11:25 pm

      • You can always tell how corrupt a government agency is by how positively it is portrayed on fictional television. The more you see modern TV shows about government officials being brilliant, whether in the CIA, FBI, NCIS, the more incompetent and corrupt it is in reality.

        See “Quantico.”

        map

        December 17, 2016 at 12:27 am

      • @Rifleman,

        You’re preaching to the choir here. Bump it up a bit. We already know that intel is often faulty, or compromised. That’s not a response to the point I’m making.

        Grade: C (and that’s with modern grade inflation)

        gothamette

        December 17, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • @Rifleman,

        You’re preaching to the choir here. Bump it up a bit. We already know that intel is often faulty, or compromised. That’s not a response to the point I’m making.

        Grade: C (and that’s with modern grade inflation)

        As I said it’s just a continuation of the same hatred they have had for Trump and his supporters since the beginning. But now they lost the election, they are in shock and denial. They are desperate. Laugh at them. They are emotional spastics at this point.

        They have said Trump and his supporters are racist, White supremacist, anti-Semitic, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, that his ideas are “not who we are as a country”, that “he will not win, take that to the bank”…”Donald Trump will not become the nominee, will not become president…..”

        So now he’s a stooge of the Soviets, the KGB, the Czar, he’s dangerous and reckless, a threat to national security..this is war!!!

        We’ve heard it all. They are children throwing a temper tantrum. They are going to hold their breath and turn purple unless the EVIL ONE is prevented from taking over America.

        The crazier the better. They are going to alienate the American middle by representing Trump’s opponents as paranoid, Russophobic crazy war mongers.

        Great! Laugh at them and watch Trump roll over them.

        Rifleman

        December 17, 2016 at 10:46 am

      • Do you like my new gravatar?

        I’m not impressed.

        The cat icon had more attitude and personality.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 17, 2016 at 11:39 am

      • The CIA was intended to be an *intelligence* agency. It was supposed to basically be an in-depth newspaper for the state department and DoD covering everything that’s going on in foreign countries with regard to politics and economics. They’d use human intelligence to write this newspaper, where HUMINT basically means driving around overseas under-cover with envelopes full of cash and talking to insiders. It does that (badly), but it also does two other things. It does covert operations, including with what amounts to another branch of the army; the first casualties in the Afghan war were all technically CIA guys. And the CIA does all this silly propaganda and cultural manipulation stuff globally and domestically; soft manipulation. These other functions dwarf and warp the original idea of a top-notch newspaper with non-public information.

        The core original idea is quite fine. It should be a very small agency of elite people who speak multiple languages and have a decade of elite private industry experience. The rest of it with the exploding cigars and training camps needs to be shut down.

        bob

        December 20, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    • I agree that this is unprecedented hysteria, but I think the public has become so unmoored from the mainstream media that the depth of this hysteria actually helps us.

      I saw someone citing a poll to the effect that more than 50% of Americans don’t believe that Russia influenced the election. The public has simply stopped responding to the dominant media narrative, and because of that they are more and more likely to automatically distrust these same media narratives in the future.

      I think the 2016 election began a trust death spiral between the average Joe and the elites that will end up completely destroying any remaining credibility they have with the masses. In effect, we are becoming like the old Soviet Union where the masses are offered nothing but propaganda but they don’t take it seriously because everyone knows it’s propaganda.

      Maj

      December 16, 2016 at 8:02 pm

      • Large numbers of people believe in all sorts of stupid stuff (e.g ghosts and aliens). And the media was certainly against Trump in a pretty outrageous way but the problem is when people, and you didn’t do this here, start turning to sites like breitbart and infowars as some kind of improvement over the mainstream media. I hate a lot of what the times represents and does but conciliatory polite Trump is 100% right that it’s a gem and we are lucky as a country to have it.

        magnavox

        December 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      • It IS unprecedented, and I agree with you about how disaffected Americans are. What does this portend? We really might break up.

        This is a good article by Judge Napolitano. He points out that even if the Russians were involved in the “leaking” this is not “hacking.” Obama and Hillary are misusing the language.

        http://www.unz.com/anapolitano/did-the-russians-hack-hillary/

        gothamette

        December 16, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      • Gothamette: Napolitano is completely wrong on both the definition of hack and leak. Consult any dictionary. Why would you possibly goto a 66 year old for insight on computer crime?

        magnavox

        December 16, 2016 at 11:18 pm

      • IF Russia stole the emails remotely by getting into their computer systems, it’s a hack. Even if they obtained the password by phishing, it’s a hack.

        WikiLeaks alleges that an insider gave them the emails, and that would be a leak (an intentional disclosure of secret information) and not a hack.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 16, 2016 at 11:27 pm

      • “It IS unprecedented,”

        Perhaps part of what’s unprecedented is that it’s become easy for skeptical people to click a few buttons and find the facts and arguments necessary to refute this Leftist nonsense. A perhaps even more importantly, to see that there are lots of like-minded people out there.

        sabril

        December 17, 2016 at 4:59 am

    • This is leftist gaslighting par excellence, the point of which is to delegitimate Donald Trump as President.

      I’ve never seen anything remotely like this. It’s not the Russians that the Democrats are after. It’s Trump – and his voters.

      So what? Trump is a honey badger. He doesn’t care and you shouldn’t either.

      Do you want to trade places with the old corrupt loser media? With Hilary and her cabal of failures? With Obama?

      They lost. They’re bitter and arrogant and entitled. They are going to hate and vilify the same people they have hated and vilified since forever.

      They hated Reagan. How did he deal with it? With a dismissive smile.

      Now Trump is different, the hatred for him and his supporters is more extreme but now we have new media so the old dinosaur media can’t control things and that makes them more hateful.

      Be happy about it. LOL. Enjoy their hate and hysterics.

      Like enjoying Kurt the Nebish going full psycho on Tucker Carlson. This guy was trying to say Trump is a drugged up psychotic being controlled by Putin and the CIA is trying to save America so electors must not vote for Trump.

      Enjoy the freak show. I know you wish there was more integrity and fair play but it ‘s not going to happen.

      Appreciate Trump’s style, it’s exhausting, anti-intellectual…but this is modern media, information warfare.

      Check out Kellyanne countering her haters here:

      Rifleman

      December 16, 2016 at 8:10 pm

      • LOL.

        Rifleman

        December 16, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      • I got that off the ‘net to fool people. Fooled you, didnit.

        (KAC was funny. Eichenwald seems to have melted down, he’s off Twitter now, probably consulting with lawyers about his mental hospital charges against Trump.)

        gothamette

        December 16, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      • I got that off the ‘net to fool people. Fooled you, didnit.

        No. I TinEyed a reverse search on the image.

        https://tineye.com/search/1b4e8dc4378a0363ff2419c0add96bb97e8f06d6/

        Rifleman

        December 16, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    • I pretty much agree with everything gothamette is saying about this. I particularly agree with her comment that Leon isn’t “getting it”. Which is surprising because he usually does on this kind of stuff. I don’t think he got the real point behind the MSM’s and Big Social’s “fake news” scheme either. That’s troubling because it’s pretty obvious to me that the PTB on the left are taking things to the next level. This isn’t business as usual. This is something new.

      I also agree with maj’s comments that the MSM is in a death spiral. The thing is, that doesn’t loosen the left’s grip on the MSM or other instruments of power and control. They still own the cathedral. It’s also pretty much guaranteed that a smart organized group will beat a disorganized mob in the long run. And while there are plenty of disorganized mobs on both sides the left is the only one with a smart organized group in the game. There is no equivalent opposition to Soros and and his billionaire buddies.

      destructure

      December 16, 2016 at 9:20 pm

      • I thought Gothamette was an angry cat.

        Mind blown!

        Maj

        December 16, 2016 at 10:38 pm

      • There may be some sinister master plan behind all this, but so what?

        It’s a matter of capabilities. What can the left do? They can’t stage a coup, as much as I wish they would. The only thing they can do is try to delegitimatize Trump’s win. That keeps Trump from expanding his popularity much but Trump is so polarizing that he was never going to be particularly popular anyway.

        Meanwhile, soft liberals like my mom, who voted for Hillary, are just sick of this bullshit and want the left to shut up.

        Greasy William

        December 16, 2016 at 11:14 pm

      • @destructure,

        Thanks for getting it. I agree w/your “cathedral” point.

        I wrote a long response and deleted it. I’m wasting my time. What will be will be, and I’m no longer interested in commenting here.

        gothamette

        December 17, 2016 at 10:23 am

      • There is no equivalent opposition to Soros and and his billionaire buddies.

        The email leaks demystified Soros’ role in lefitsm, which turns out to not be that important overall (In the Clinton leaks he doesn’t come up that often as a subject in the tens of thousands of emails released by Wikileaks.)

        What his organizations primarily do is write up reports and distribute them to other liberals who already agreed with his positions, or they hand out donation dollars to existing liberal organizations. The non-profits he did found by himself such as Moveon.org are newer than more established leftist non-profits because he was a late comer to politics – before Clinton’s impeachment in the late 90s and the second Iraq War in 2003 his political engagement was minimal. Apparently, what really drove him over the edge was his opposition to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, which he somehow interpreted as a far-right project.

        He gets more publicity because he’s brazen about his donation activities and political beliefs, but the Leftist machine itself would still operate much as it does if he had never existed.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 17, 2016 at 12:03 pm

      • It’s a matter of capabilities. What can the left do? They can’t stage a coup, as much as I wish they would. The only thing they can do is try to delegitimatize Trump’s win.

        The emails exposed the Left is a disorganized mess plagued with internal squabbling over petty matters, fragile egos, paranoia, mediocre to awful talent, and delusional.

        The only reason they win is because Conservatives won’t fight dirty. Trump’s ludicrous, cartoonish, campaign essentially defeated the whole world leftist establishment simply because he was willing to fight as degenerate and loathsome campaign as any Democrat.

        The International Left is run by rank amateurs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 17, 2016 at 12:11 pm

      • Of course, the GOPe was also a disorganized mess. They thought that Jeb was their champion! And historically they sucked at groundwork and IT compared to Democrats.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • That’s spot on Undiscovered Jew.

        The Philosopher

        December 17, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      • Of course, the GOPe was also a disorganized mess. They thought that Jeb was their champion! And historically they sucked at groundwork and IT compared to Democrats.

        The GOPe is stupid but I must disagree over it being disorganized. Thanks to its pro-business mentality the GOPe has been consistently better organized than the Democrats.

        The George HW Bush’s administration, for example, was run by no-nonsense characters like James Baker and Sununu and they ran that White House like clockwork. They lost the 1992 race not because of organization (Clinton’s was in chaos as that old documentary of his campaign amply proved) but because they wouldn’t fight dirty.

        Trump’s campaign was also disorganized but he won because he fought like a Democrat.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 17, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    • Its one globalist faction of the elite fighting the new upstarts of the old guard. Notice how the FBI/NSA isn’t going along or Clapper.

      The NSA can find out very easily who did it. Watch the Snowden movie.

      The CIA has been a globalist parasite for a long time within the body politic. The last time anyone tried to reform it and sacked its creator, Allen Dulles (who you need to understand fully to figure out 20th century history), he got shot in Dallas.

      It’s a power struggle in the Deep State. More important than the election per se. I expect a lot of people will be suicided, bribed and blackmailed over the coming months. The public won’t know anything beyond glitches in the Illusion. The more cognitively gifted among you will see evidence of conflict. Snowden’s leaks and Assange’s leaks have instigated a rebellion by the last patriots in the Deep State. We have to pray for them now to succeed.

      The Philosopher

      December 17, 2016 at 5:23 am

    • Since when does the Left like the CIA?

      These are intelligent people, they may all be self loathing narcissists at heart but they are not dullards. At the mid and upper levels, they have to know this is all bullshit. There really is no other way to describe it, Bull Shit; Russia hacked the DNC, probably, but the Wikileaks themselves most likely came from someone inside the DNC, everyone with any intelligence knows this. Let’s say Russia did it though, what exactly did they do that derailed our democracy other than give the commoners a look into what really goes on behind the scenes and an idea of who these people truly are? That’s bad? For that matter, what did they do that wouldn’t have earned a journalist a Pulitzer prize were it directed towards the Republicans? This is all bullshit and it is no longer funny.

      All action is purposeful, discuss amongst yourselves if you like but for now take that as a first cause. So what is the point of it all?

      The republicans are the easier group to figure out and it boils down to 2 choices; they have made common cause with the democrats or they are asserting themselves to establish relevancy in this burgeoning Golden Age of Trump. I would assert McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc. are Manchurian Democrats. Now, after 8 years of continuing resolutions, missed budgets, unabated spending they’re worried about the budget and taxes? My guess is guys like Richard Burr are jockeying for position, they’re just really bad at it.

      Categorizing the democrat motivations fall to the existential or aesthetic. I would suspect the majority of democrats prattling on are primarily motivated by aesthetic concerns, that somehow the gauche Trump will reflect poorly on them and they’ll be abandoned by the globalist tribe to fend for themselves in the wild. I doubt that any of them are overly concerned about the plight of the illegal alien, they certainly don’t spend a lot of time worrying about the working conditions for Hector in the Purdue processing facility or how the Bairds failed to pay social security taxes for their maid. They camp out to buy Apple products made by practical slaves after all.

      The ones motivated by existential concerns see that the democrats were routed this election and it is coming to resemble the collapse of a civilization, gradually, then ballistic. It certainly feels they’ve entered the ballistic phase. These are not sober minded adults and they are presented with a loss in power that translates into fewer jobs, lower pay, less prestige and for some, (many?), jail is not out of the question. It seems inconceivable that a former president could face charges, but in this new age, why not? It seems Trump is exactly the kind of guy who could do that. We know the FBI hasn’t ceased investigating the Clinton Foundation, we know that reaches far and wide, we know the President lied through his teeth about knowledge of Clinton’s email server, etc. etc. so the question is: Are there revelations yet to come?

      What is the endgame for the existential democrats? It would be hard to believe the idea they’re laying the groundwork for future wins, pissing off 50% of the country seems an ineffective strategy to me. I will suggest the purpose of the action is to stay out of jail, what would you do to stay out of jail or even just being charged? Unless they are just completely oblivious, they have to understand that simply weakening Trump politically won’t accomplish anything, he’s got to be removed entirely. How far will they go? How far has Black Lives Matter gone without any protest from them?

      There’s a lot of Ivy League types in the CIA, they overthrow governments all the time, is that in question? Why not here, now? Certainly the odds are still strongly against but the odds are non-trivial that between now and January 20th the train can go off the rails somehow. Certainly there are intelligent people probing for a way to make that happen the only question is how far they will go.

      2 Minutes Alpha

      December 17, 2016 at 11:08 am

  3. I take it these liberals are less bothered by Chinese hacking.

    Rogal Dorn

    December 16, 2016 at 8:43 pm

  4. Magnavox, above, adjusted for LotB’s rebuttal: “You need to ask yourself if you would say the same thing if the Russians had released Trump campaign emails, and Trump had just lost in a very close election.”

    Fair question.

    For myself, I’d be annoyed at the Russians, Perhaps “3” on a scale of 1 to 10, for their meddling. Although as Lion points out, we expect countries to try to spy and meddle, based on their views of their national interests.

    Magnavox’s hypothetical misses a couple of key points.

    As far as informing voters about Trump’s shortcomings, the mainstream media did its job. Most or all of the things that reflect poorly on Trump — Americans who cared enough to read the paper or watch TV were already aware of them. Heck, on multiple occasions, media organs coordinated with the Clinton campaign to maximize the negative impact of the dirt on Trump.

    On the Clinton side, it was siesta time — the dogs that didn’t bark. Accounts I have heard (CBS, NBC, NPR) frame the discussion as “Putin hacking the election” or “Russian meddling pushing Trump over the top.” At the start of the week, the implication was that the evil masterminds had somehow altered vote tallies. By now, the media has quietly conceded that the accusations are about the Podesta hack, i.e. WikiLeaks. Reporters are careful to omit discussion of exactly what the claimed Russian influence stemmed from. Reminder: it was revelations about the corruption, dishonesty, secret dealing, hypocrisy, incompetence, and backstabbing of Clinton and her campaign. And the disdain of Clinton’s circle for flyover-country white proles. (And, of course, that circle’s transgressive tastes in avant-grade art.)

    At the time, journalists downplayed the WikiLeaks leaks. Now, of a sudden, the way they came to light is the determinative factor of 2016. So which is it?

    [sarc] Imagine how much better it would have been, if only the mainstream media had been able to completely stage-manage the flow of information in the runup to November 8th. [/sarc]

    amac78

    December 16, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    • Trump was definitely screwed over in a much more significant way, in terms of actual effect, by his own party and by the media than Clinton was by the emails. I agree there.

      Although as Lion points out, we expect countries to try to spy and meddle, based on their views of their national interests.

      This may be unprecedented. So hacking the emails of a countries ruling political party and publicly releasing them is not something anyone “expected” to happen. Most people not accepting the DNC spin are denying that the Russian government is actually responsible, not saying that they did it but it doesn’t matter and people should just get over it. I’m not aware of a single prominent figure publicly taking your position.

      As far as informing voters about Trump’s shortcomings, the mainstream media did its job.

      They really didn’t do their job at all. It was almost all about how he awful he was for being vaguely pro white, pro male, and pro christian rather than legitimate criticism. And you see the same thing in reporting about his transition where the media is focusing on issues like russian influence and “antisemitisic” appointees. What about the fact that his cabinet appointments are full of establishment figures when he pledged to drain the swamp? Supply siders when he said he would be economically populist? Goldman Sachs alumnae when he criticized Clinton relentlessly for her connections to the firm? Or the fact that he still refuses not only to put his assets in blind trust, but to even acknowledge that his position as president of the united states presents any significant conflicts of interest.

      You’re assuming because the media are so unhinged in their hatred of Trump that they must have covered all of the legitimate criticism before getting to the unreasonable stuff, but that simply isn’t the case.

      magnavox

      December 16, 2016 at 11:04 pm

      • Magnavox,

        “This may be unprecedented. So hacking the emails of a countries ruling political party and publicly releasing them is not something anyone “expected” to happen. Most people not accepting the DNC spin are denying that the Russian government is actually responsible, not saying that they did it but it doesn’t matter and people should just get over it. I’m not aware of a single prominent figure publicly taking your position.”

        The problem with this view is that Democrats downplayed the seriousness of this position by trying to whitewash Hillary’s private server scandal. How can you be outraged by foreign hacking when you refused to take precautions against ordinary hacking? After all, it was Guccifer that hit Clinton’s email server, not the Russians. You can’t blame a sovereign power for that kind of mistake.

        That is the key point. Huma Abeddin, Anthony Weiner, Hillary Clinton, were all hit by these attacks due to their own carelessness and negligence caused by operating outside of the security guidelines established by the US Government. It was failure on their part, not the army of hackers that are always operating in the wild. Now they want to reverse the results of an election so their carelessness and negligence will be the modus operandi of the government.

        This is why nobody is concerned about the “Russian” angle. Government resources were not actually breached. These idiot Democrats opened up rogue access points within their own network to conduct clandestine business, running their corrupt side-schemes and engineering dead-drops for cash. They will be very lucky if Trump does not unleash the FBI on these emails and have all of these traitors put in prison.

        map

        December 17, 2016 at 12:56 am

      • Is it really news to you that people are going to assign significance to events based on their preexisting political ideologies? The fact that democrats opinions are filtered through their ideology doesn’t mean they don’t contain certain truths. If that were the case then noone anyone ever said, including you , would have any truth to it.

        magnavox

        December 17, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      • Magnavox,

        “Is it really news to you that people are going to assign significance to events based on their preexisting political ideologies? The fact that democrats opinions are filtered through their ideology doesn’t mean they don’t contain certain truths. If that were the case then noone anyone ever said, including you , would have any truth to it.”

        People are entitled to their own ideological filters, but they are not entitled to their own facts. The fact is that Democrats had their private computers hacked, not government systems. The fact is that, if the Russians hacked the election, then how did Hillary win the popular vote? Their outrage is factually baseless and what their tantrum reveals is they want power too much, that such people should not be allowed anywhere in government.

        map

        December 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm

  5. Obama traveled to the UK to try and influence the Brexit vote.

    Unless the Russians changed the votes in the computers, they really didn’t do anything.

    All the emails were legit.

    ttgy

    December 16, 2016 at 9:51 pm

  6. the least appreciated effect of truthiness…

    all subsequent claims are made suspect.

    no one is believable, because everyone has political motivations.

    very odd that obama wasn’t irate.

    if the russians really did it…there must be consequences…serious consequences.

    vancouver! vancouver! this is it!

    December 16, 2016 at 10:28 pm

  7. if you want to see the left at their most insane, check out the comments at this DKos thread about the hack controversy: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/16/1611804/-Republicans-move-from-Russian-denial-to-Russian-apologists#comments

    I have to hand it to the left, every time I think they can’t get any crazier, they do just that.

    Greasy William

    December 16, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    • It was common sense to stand firm against Soviet aggression during the Cold War, but that ended in 1991.

      It’s not a double standard or hypocritical for former Cold Warriors to want better relations with Russia.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 16, 2016 at 11:39 pm

      • It’s not a double standard or hypocritical for former Cold Warriors to want better relations with Russia.

        The problem is that the paranoid idiots don’t understand that the old term “the Russians” meant the Soviet Union and the communist mega-state.

        They haven’t realized that it’s GONE.

        The Russians now are just a large legitimate historical people and nation.

        Just like the “Germans” and “Japanese” of WWII are gone.

        They can’t get over that.

        I understand why the warmongering right is doing it. Russia isn’t a client state of our military industrial complex. We need them as an imaginary threat to support our overbuilt military and the careerists at NATO.

        But the left is so irrational and hateful towards Trump and his White peasant army that they are hostile to basically an old fashioned pro America, pro worker, anti war leader in Trump. Who also happens to be a lifelong pro gay New Yorker.

        Just more irrationality from the left.

        It’s all driven by Oedipal rage mixed with lower status male envy of a rich playboy who has it all and flaunts it.

        Rifleman

        December 17, 2016 at 11:00 am

  8. Lion,

    Don’t hesitate to write about Heinlein or other good, important writers. There is more to life than politics. I know you are down on libertarians, but a real piece of libertarian wisdom (that I think many conservatives embrace) is that the real stuff of life, like love and friendship and art, are beyond and above politics, and we should strive to confine politics to as small a part of our lives as possible.

    Gozo

    December 16, 2016 at 11:48 pm

  9. Let’s see if I get this: Putin hack (assume rather than insider leak) alerts voters to Hillary sloppiness re diplomatic info. To be aware of it, voters have to read newspapers. At same time, voters watch nignogs rioting in Ferguson, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Oakland. Hillary lost because e-mails. I think I get it.

    Marty

    December 17, 2016 at 1:21 am

  10. Here is my current list for 2020 Dem contenders, in no particular order:

    Harris
    Booker
    Duckworth
    Sanders
    Newsom
    Kander
    Biden

    I don’t see Cortez Masto going anywhere because the hispanic vote is a fraud. Deval Patrick has been out of the game too long so cross him off the list. Warren is a shrill old woman.

    There seems to be a meme now that the Democrats have a weak bench and it just isn’t true. Certainly their bench is stronger than the Republican bench was after Romney’s defeat. There are no Newts or Santorums amongst the serious Dem contenders.

    The strongest candidate is Booker. Charismatic, likable oreo. Ambiguously gay. Corpro Dem which plays great to suburban whites. Can turn out the blacks at Obama levels (worth an extra 1.5% of the vote nationally and even more than that in the rust belt). Doesn’t talk about race which was a huge part of Obama’s appeal in 2008 and 2012. But does the post racial stuff still work anymore? Especially without Obama’s personality cult? And after 4 years of the Dems taking the side of immigrants and blacks against white people?

    Next is Harris. As a black woman, she can turn out blacks better than Hillary, but may not be able to replicate Obama’s numbers due to being a woman and being half Indian. Should do well with suburban whites.

    The strongest white candidate is probably Biden. He can lessen the bleeding amongst working class whites and plays great with suburban whites. Also can turn out blacks and douchebag millenial white liberals better than Hillary could. Age is a bit of a concern but he seems up to task.

    4th strongest candidate is Kander. He is basically a poor man’s Biden, but much younger. Shouldn’t do too horrifically with working class whites and suburban whites will go gaga for him. Doesn’t have much of a record to attack.

    Tami Duckworth is strong too. Wounded severely in the military and can play better amongst the WWC than Hillary did. Centrist corpo Dem who should be strong with suburban whites. I think the Dems are better off with either a black candidate or a white man, however.

    Newsom is the closest thing you will ever see to a Democratic version of Romney in that he is a caricature of how people see Democrats: coastal, elitist, loathsome. He is tall and handsome but he is so noxious that he would be annihilated amongst the WWC and would alienate a big chunk of winnable suburban whites. His California record of sheltering illegals will not play well in the general.

    Sanders is an especially weak candidate because not only is he not going to staunch much of the Dem’s bleeding or the WWC, but his “raise taxes” platform would be toxic to suburban whites.

    Regardless of who is the strongest in the general, who is the most likely to make it through the Dem primaries? Again I have to go with Booker. He can appeal to centrist corpo Dems and probably has the most appeal to douchebag white Millennials of any candidate in the field besides Sanders. He will command bloc support from black primary voters.

    Will he beat Trump? I doubt it. Dem brand is too toxic amongst whites. But he certainly *could* win, especially if there is a recession that we haven’t recovered from by 2020.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 17, 2016 at 2:15 am

    • For a moment, I thought we were talking about Sam Harris

      Greg Pandatshang

      December 17, 2016 at 11:15 am

    • It will all come down to how effective the Trump government is in cleaning up some of the systemic problems we have in the country. If he is able to keep even a fraction of his campaign promises, no one the Dems throw at him will beat him. If he doesn’t (and he will have a significant headwind from the sleazy, dishonest media), then a Booker will probably beat him. We can’t forget, it took a once in a lifetime electoral miracle for him to beat the truly odious Hillary.

      Two in the Bush

      December 17, 2016 at 11:32 am

      • Trump’s poor performance against Hillary is 100% the fault of #NeverTrump. If not for #NeverTrump, instead of losing the popular vote by 2.1%, he would have won the popular vote by 1.5%. And while a 1.5% victory against a candidate as horrible and inept as Hil is not great, it is acceptable given the extreme polarization of the electorate.

        Now that #NeverTrump has been exterminated, it’s a whole new ball game. He is in great shape for 2020, even against as strong a candidate as Booker, as long as he builds the wall and carries out the destruction of the immigrant community.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    • Sanders never said raise taxes on the middle class – purely the 1%. That’s wilful gamma semanticology the cuckolds always play on low IQ repub voters. Nobody outside the top 0.01% pays the estate tax for example.

      Bory Hooker is a poor man’s Obama. I would hazard if even Obama ran against Trump, Trump would beat Obama. So the lower IQ closeted gay even more corpo bot person isn’t it.

      Don’t forget repubs will have booted out illegals and put in voter ID laws. I also expect race relations to decline even further as the internet reveals the truth about human biodieversity and whites to vote as a bloc like blacks/hispanics/asians have been doing.

      I listen to a lot of real left wing materials, and they are in despair about the party. As I have repeatedly said, the Dem party is more cucked than the Repub party by globalist donors. They have no bench. Until they stop with the racial divide and conquer anti white death march stuff, they’re toast. Their stance on open borders is their problem, not their anti free trade, anti Wall Street, anti-war stance.

      The state, governor, local, house, supreme court and soon senate will reflect the complete annihilation of the openly white cleansing open borders party. May that be a lesson to the globalists one world government paedophiles.

      The Philosopher

      December 17, 2016 at 12:38 pm

      • Philosopher,

        This is actually a good point. The Democrat Party is undone by its anti-White, open-borders policy that runs at odds with everything they want to do, from taxation, to the environment, to wages.

        map

        December 18, 2016 at 12:18 am

  11. No one is complaining about Russia hacking anything. As far as hacks go it’s pretty minor. They are complaining how the information was used to influence our election. This is a potentially serious issue but the media and others are blowing it out of proportion. They’ve been throwing things against the wall to sow doubt about Trump and this is the first thing that has stuck so they are running with it. The only way this should delegitimize Trump and justify the electoral college not voting for him is if Trump would put Russian interests above US interests. Short of that, there are other issues but there is no need to get hysterical about them.

    We need to assume foreign governments and individuals will attempt to influence US elections and it is up to us to prevent that. This should not be a partisan issue. There should be negative foreign relations consequences for influencing US elections regards of the result. I don’t want to see the US being fought over by foreign powers, with the winning side being rewarded and losing sides being punished. I don’t trust foreign powers to “do us favors” and neither should you.

    I also don’t see how this is significantly different from other foreign influence that goes on all the time like from Saudi Arabia and Israel. Actually I do see a difference and that difference is some influence is acceptable because it’s part of an established global network and welcomed by certain powers in the US, but Russia is hostile to this network.

    There are aspects of the situation I don’t like. If Russia really did this then they probably influenced the election in other ways like online forums. Apparently Obama and some congressmen wanted to report on this in September but McConnell blocked the report and now his wife has a cabinet position. And Trump seems to welcome the Russian influence.

    Aric

    December 17, 2016 at 2:52 am

    • There is no evidence, none, that Russia hacked the DNC or attempted to influence the election with info. It’s all just words from Obama and rogue factions of the CIA. It’s obviously just another excuse to try and keep Trump from power.

      Andrew E.

      December 17, 2016 at 12:47 pm

  12. Oh, and you should write about whatever you want to write about.

    Aric

    December 17, 2016 at 2:56 am

  13. Fat kek

    December 17, 2016 at 3:48 am

    • “crostini is served with both hummus and ricotta, two exotic ingredients that should still never be combined.”

      haha hummus & ricotta are exotic donchaknow, (maybe she needed more dog)

      2 Minutes Alpha

      December 17, 2016 at 9:29 am

  14. While this nonsense is going on, China continues to strip factories and factory jobs out of the US. China now has a larger and much more comprehensive manufacturing base than we do. Today, compared to China, we are pretty much in the same place as Japan vs. us in 1940.

    And no one cares, except the Trump voters.

    bob sykes

    December 17, 2016 at 7:41 am

    • I agree. But the economy is about much more than jobs and paychecks and buying cheap consumer groods. It’s also about national security and even survival. The economy is what allows a country to build up its military capabilities through research and spending. This is precisely why China is getting more militaristic and aggressive.

      destructure

      December 17, 2016 at 1:34 pm

  15. An often seen Drudge headline is RUSSIACHINA to emphasize the deep anti-American friendship between Putin and Xi Jinping. It’s nonsensical that Putin would strive to secure Trump’s election since that would antagonize Xi who evidently loathes Trump.

    Mark Caplan

    December 17, 2016 at 8:20 am

    • Exactly right. I am amazed that your comment is the fist time I’ve seen this expressed anywhere.

      Two in the Bush

      December 17, 2016 at 11:37 am

    • Their “friendship” is indeed motivated by their adversarial relationship to America i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. With China growing stronger it’s changing the balance of power. It makes sense Russia would improve it’s relations with America at some point.

      I think this is am interesting article.

      http://www.fairobserver.com/politics/russian-chinese-security-relations-friends-or-foes/

      destructure

      December 17, 2016 at 3:31 pm

  16. As others have said, this is all part of a program by the Democrat/MSM group to begin the delegitimatization of the Trump presidency. Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. If Clinton had won, the Dems would be telling the GOP to suck it up and accept that they lost.. Tough noogies, as they say. But when the Dems are on the losing side, well, it’s just ….. different. The warfare never ends.

    I read the Russian hack stories in the NYT, and they are all smoke and mirrors. Stuff like “senior officials revealed” and. “closed-door briefings showed.”. No real evidence. But so what? Even if the Russians did it, which I doubt, the MSM ignore the contents of the emails, which show the depth of their collusion with the MSM to influence the election. Isn’t that important? They ignore the message and concentrate on the (alleged) messenger. What hypocrisy!

    Of course, there’s still the matter of Hillary’s use of an open server to transmit confidential (and non-confidential) documents. Hacking an open (non-encrypted) server is pretty easy for experts. I. think we can be sure that everything our Secretary of State put in those emails ended up in Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, and probably quite a few other places. But this obvious connection isn’t important to the lapdog MSM. If the contents of the emails were true (and nobody seriously contends that they weren’t), isn’t it reasonable that some voters might change their minds after reading them? If they were true, it seems like fair game to me. But I doubt very many votes were influenced in the end.

    Black Death

    December 17, 2016 at 9:44 am

  17. What is more a threat to our elections? Leaked podesta and dnc emails, or millions of Mexican citizens voting in the US? What about voter fraud where you have 50 ballots cast in a precinct in Detroit and the precinct give 300 votes mostly to clinton

    Sean c

    December 17, 2016 at 10:06 am

    • Indeed. It is nothing short of tragicomic how once the extent of the funny business in Detroit began to become public, all talks of a recount were immediately silenced as if they had never been.

      Two in the Bush

      December 17, 2016 at 11:39 am

    • Trump should order a recount of California. I would bet 5% of the vote their were illegal aliens.

      The Philosopher

      December 17, 2016 at 12:41 pm

      • Tellingly you never see Republicans advocate thorough investigations into voter fraud. You just see them take for granted that in person voter fraud is a major issue and push through legislation that will increase security at the expense of democratic turn out.

        magnavox

        December 17, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      • Didn’t Republicans sign a 1983 consent decree agreeing to never challenge elections?

        map

        December 18, 2016 at 12:25 am


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