Lion of the Blogosphere

Male vs female doctors

I have found too many male doctors to be annoyingly arrogant, a trait a lot rarer in female doctors.

Therefore, on that basis alone, I recommend female doctors.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 19, 2016 at 4:18 pm

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  1. I don’t really believe a lot of the “men are equal to women in every possible way” BS that gets spewed around a lot these days. But I can actually see females being better doctors than males. A lot of being a good doctor these days is CARING enough about your patient. Doctors see 1000’s of people per year. I often do believe that misdiagnosis is more often just not caring enough, rather than a lack of medical knowledge. Women in general are more likely to care about a random person.

    Yup

    December 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    • I absolutely believe that giving a shit can make the difference between life and death.

      destructure

      December 19, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    • Yes, all things equal, that’s a massive relative performance factor.

      The Philosopher

      December 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    • For God’s sake, it is about the skill and knowledge, not about the feelz.

      Tarl

      December 20, 2016 at 8:32 am

      • As a former engineer I can tell you that EVEN engineering is “about the feelz”. I’ve known a number of otherwise brilliant engineers who blew it because they were too arrogant and unconcerned “about the feelz” to listen to their customers, managers and co-workers. Everyone needs information and feedback from others in order to get it right.

        destructure

        December 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      • I’m an engineer right now, and it’s not about the feelz. Either the plane flies or it doesn’t. Either the bridge stays up or it doesn’t. Feelz will not keep the plane in the air or the bridge up.

        Tarl

        December 21, 2016 at 9:20 pm

  2. they are! lion is right. but, in a way, this is a good thing.

    why?

    because in an ideal world no one has to sell himself and nothing need be sold. if you can do the work and it can get ‘er done…that’s all that matters…or all that should matter.

    “the customer is always right” is a foreign idea to most doctors.

    so, in a way, the medical profession is the last redoubt of pure value creation.

    Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!

    December 19, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    • Hey Mugabe

      ruhkukah

      December 19, 2016 at 10:05 pm

  3. This is like IQ in general. Ie. Your average female doctor will be slightly better than your average male doctor, but in terms of Nobel Prizes in Medicine, frontier psychiatry/neurosciences, surgery and new techniques in nutrition and human optimization medicine, most of the leading minds and practitioners are men. There’s just not enough studies to say anything conclusively however.

    The Philosopher

    December 19, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    • The corollary is of course that if we looked at the data I would bet most malpractice suits, medical quacks and incompetent doctors are men.

      The Philosopher

      December 19, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      • That would be some evidence that men are disproportionately found among the best and the worst.

        With women clustering more in the middle.

        It’s a pattern between the sexes that shows up a lot.

        Rifleman

        December 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    • “Your average female doctor will be slightly better than your average male doctor”

      She will? Why? No reason to believe that.

      Tarl

      December 20, 2016 at 8:33 am

  4. Objectively, isn’t the best doctor the one who makes the most accurate diagnoses and prognoses, and the best prescriptions and treatments? Isn’t the caring stuff what nurses are for?

    Tom

    December 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    • Prescriptions and treatments are mostly of no effect. There’s little correlation between healthcare spending and longevity.

      JW Bell

      December 19, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      • Antibiotics work. Vaccines work.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 19, 2016 at 7:33 pm

      • Surgery works.

        Yakov

        December 19, 2016 at 7:48 pm

      • Dude’s got a point, though – it is consistently amazing to me how much stuff we do STILL amounts to basically, “we’re going to help you feel a little bit better until your body heals itself.”

        Samson J.

        December 19, 2016 at 7:59 pm

      • You must have never had a condition requiring medication. Trust me, if your blood pressure is 175 over 130, you’ll develop faith in those pills really fast – or you’ll die. Ditto for when your blood glucose shoots through the roof.

        Stealth

        December 19, 2016 at 10:28 pm

      • Does surgery, vaccines and antibiotics work? Absolutely. But that misses the point of where the true medical costs lie. Healthcare spending isn’t distributed evenly. Most healthcare spending goes to a fraction of the population with serious and costly diseases; many of whose fates are already sealed, in the hope that some of them can beat the odds.

        Everyone knows about the 80/20 rule. In this case, 50% of healthcare spending goes to only 5% of patients, mostly very sick newborns and the elderly. And while it may very well have saved the lives of some of those patients, it doesn’t have a strong correlation to longevity because so much was spent on so few with poor odds to start with.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/#727db8964781

        destructure

        December 21, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      • And then for the other 95%, half of their healthcare spending is on unnecessary tests.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 21, 2016 at 2:31 pm

  5. You’re just mailing it now, huh?

    Dave Pinsen

    December 19, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    • Nah, lion’s just trolling. He used to troll more before trump cornered the market

      driveallnight

      December 19, 2016 at 8:19 pm

  6. Many doctors are indeed ridiculously arrogant. However, whether that is a good or bad depends on the circumstances. If I’m going to a doctor for something unusual and non-life threatening then I need them to care enough to listen and get it right. But once it reaches the stage that I need a specialist for something life threatening (ie brain tumor, etc) then I’m not looking for someone to care and listen. There’s nothing I can tell them about cancer that they don’t already know from the tests, etc. What I want is someone so arrogant and overconfident that when they remove my skullcap and cut into my brain they think God is merely impersonating them.

    destructure

    December 19, 2016 at 5:01 pm

  7. If it’s a good doctor it doesn’t matter: however, for bad doctors, I personally find it easier to deal with a man; a woman might find a lousy female doctor easier to handle.

    dried peanuts

    December 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm

  8. The average female doctor is probably more caring and attentive than the average male doctor. Caring and attentive count for a lot when you’re there for a checkup or if your problem is routine and easy to diagnose.

    But in my experience female doctors are not as strong at thinking outside the box — diagnosing stuff they don’t see every day, or coming up with aggressive treatment plans when a problem persists.

    As I mostly care about my doctors keeping me alive and healthy, not being my friend, I think I will stick with men.

    But I would be curious to see if my experience is commonplace, or if I’ve just had a bad run of mild, none-too-bright lady docs.

    Jonah

    December 19, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    • I haven’t been to as many female doctors as I have male, but I find them to be equally competent and thorough. As a matter of fact, I would give the edge to the women. Maybe I’m just lucky with female docs, though.

      Stealth

      December 19, 2016 at 10:23 pm

  9. Women doctors tend to like some patients over the rest and treat them accordingly. You do not want her emotion to be a major factor in your treatment.

    My Two Cents

    December 19, 2016 at 6:46 pm

  10. I prefer woman doctors, they have smaller fingers.

    dbp

    December 19, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    • LOL!

      E. Rekshun

      December 20, 2016 at 11:34 am

  11. It’s interesting – in general I’m opposed to female participation in the professions, etc., etc. (because they belong in the kitchen), but as a physician I’m glad that women have altered the traditional lifestyle expectations of a career in medicine.

    Samson J.

    December 19, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    • It’s one of the better uses for an IQ of 130+ in a woman, honestly. A lot of times they wind up getting stuck in politically correct academic subjects spewing leftist nonsense or writing incomprehensible literary novels, but in medicine and biological research they can do a lot of genuine good.

      SFG

      December 19, 2016 at 9:55 pm

  12. I’ve had female patients who prefer male doctors for their pap smears because we’re “gentler”.

    Samson J.

    December 19, 2016 at 7:14 pm

  13. I think Sailer had the right idea: get Dr. House.

    Dave Pinsen

    December 19, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    • House was great. A show about a white man crippled by political correctness teaching a bunch of minorities and women how to do their jobs. It’s like real life.

      map

      December 19, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      • Hahahaha

        The Philosopher

        December 19, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    • House was one of the top 10 shows of the 2000s.

      ruhkukah

      December 19, 2016 at 10:07 pm

      • je suis cosby.

        Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!

        December 20, 2016 at 1:27 am

  14. I had a ridiculously arrogant female dermatologist. One visit and gone. The guy she studied under, a derm hall-of-famer, was much less arrogant, or at least hid it better.

    Explainer 21

    December 19, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    • Most GPs and specialists look at dermatology as a fluff specialty. The dermatologist’s rule of thumb is, “if it’s wet – dry it; if it’s dry – wet it!”

      Although, I wet to this old-time male dermatologist last year. His waiting room is completely jammed up w/ old Floridians every day from 7:00am – 5:00pm. This doc spent 15 seconds with me and gave me a prescription to cure an irritating rash on my arm – it worked flawlessly. He diagnosed it as neuro-dermatitis. He’s making a killing on these Medicare patients.

      On the other hand, I went to a female dermatology PA a couple of months ago and, while she spent 20 minutes with me and gave me a thorough skin cancer screening, she couldn’t help me w/ the recurring rash on my arm.

      E. Rekshun

      December 20, 2016 at 11:43 am

      • I forgot to mention, my Mom has a dermatologist who looks exactly like the 50-year old Steve Martin. Same jollyness too.

        Explainer 21

        December 20, 2016 at 12:52 pm

  15. This is very simple: male doctors for men, female doctors for women. Unless you need a specialist, then it’s the best that you should be using.

    There were tons of female doctors in Russia as you well know. So when our bixing team was being examined by a cutty in a white coat, the whole team was standing there with huge erections. This makes no sense. I don’t think she could focus on what she was doing. This is bad medicine. Who came up with this stupid idea?

    Yakov

    December 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    • I know that guy – Hugh G. Rekshun.

      E. Rekshun

      December 20, 2016 at 5:40 pm

  16. Medicine is a technical profession like anything else and men simply make better technicians. Women go into medicine because society is in “rah-rah, you go grrlll” mode and is simply trying to promote as many women as possible into the profession. This is a bad thing since it reduces prestige, medical man-hours, and salaries and will reduce the likelihood of smart men going in medicine going forward.

    The worst aspect of this is that the vast majority of medical problems are basically age-related. The longer we live, the more our bodies break down, leading to all kinds of medical complications. The problem is that the vast majority of old people are hated whiteys that leftism is trying to get rid of. Thus, quality technicians are not needed in medicine. What are needed are girls with the bedside manner to deliver hospice care and end-of-life solutions in a friendly and “caring” manner. The rest of the time the girls can play Grey’s Anatomy while the real work is done by a male doctor specifically paid to prevent the hospital from getting sued.

    I would not be surprised if the quality of medical instruction has also gone down with the quality of care.

    map

    December 19, 2016 at 8:13 pm

  17. OT, but every time they keep dropping the Barbara Lerner Spectre video on you in immigration arguments, here’s a Jewish guy interviewing Swedes about how diversity’s messed them up.

    SFG

    December 19, 2016 at 9:57 pm

  18. I know you’re trolling, but I actually agree with this, although one of the most arrogant doctors I have ever visited was female. Still a good doctor, though.

    I like female doctors mostly because they seem to be less dismissive of my concerns than male doctors.

    Stealth

    December 19, 2016 at 10:21 pm

  19. False !
    “The surgeon who would cry for his patient during an intervention would kill him “

    Bruno from Paris

    December 20, 2016 at 1:30 am

  20. Actual quote from RedState: “Well, I can’t exactly say that Merkel ruined Germany. They elected her, afterall. Perhaps it was when West Germany had to absorb East Germany and all the socialists. West Germany was doing fine up until then.”

    Muh free markets.

    Extermination of the TruCons is back on.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 20, 2016 at 3:33 am

    • A good example of how correlation is not causation. (Although IIRC the Turkish immigration started in the 60s or 70s. Not that Turks are remotely their biggest problem nowadays).

      snorlax

      December 20, 2016 at 8:51 am

  21. I went to massachussets general hospital (the 3rd best hospital in the USA, Harvard and MIT hospital) and the proportion of woman vary dramatically between specialties : around 30 to 50% in obstetrics, dermatology, ophtalmology, psychiatrics …. 15% in radiology. Only 5% in neurosurgery. It’s not easy to see why because, for example, dermatology and ophtalmology are the most difficult specialty to get into into scholastic results – much more than neurosurgery, and they are not into. It feels like some specialty are more feminine : i would say the principal criteria is family life balance and lowest financial risk (both litigation risk (neurosurgery) and low financial investment necessary mitigated by some “natural or cultural” preferences (obstetrics is risky in terms of litigation but women love it, like anesthosiology).

    It would be intersting for a sociologue to study women versus men residency choices at a given USMLE score level (300 points scale)

    Dermatology : 256
    Otolaryngology : 253
    Plastic surgery : 252
    Orthopedic surgery : 251
    Vascular surgery : 250
    Diagnostic radiology : 249
    Radiation oncology : 248
    Neurological surgery : 247
    General surgery : 245
    Internal medicine : 245
    Obstetrics : 244
    Emergency : 243
    Internal medecine : 242
    Pediatrics : 241
    Neurology : 241
    PAthology : 241
    Child neurology : 240
    Physical medicine and rehab : 234
    Family medicine : 233
    Psychiatry : 231

    All specialty average (except family medicine pondering by size) : 243

    1) –> The most g loaded specialty, internal medecine and neurosurgery, don’t attract the brigthest students. Internal medicine wich is the paramount of IQ loaded activity has an underaverage recruitment level.

    2) The most coveted specialty are the coolest in terms of working conditions (off time) : Dermatology and Otolaryngology

    3) The following best specialties are the best in terms of net income : Plastic surgery and Orthopedic Surgery.

    Two big conclusions :

    1) The brightest students in medecine go for money first, except the women who go for work/life balance and pushed the dermatology and ORL to the roof
    2) The brigthest students are not really interested in fields where they have the highest chances to advance research.

    It’s sad but at the same times, quite logic.

    Bruno from Paris

    December 20, 2016 at 3:47 am

  22. The internal medecine score is 242 and not 245. Some years, it is slightly above specialy average, but always in the middle of the pile. It is never in the first quartile of specialties.

    Bruno from Paris

    December 20, 2016 at 3:52 am

    • This sounds like an auction type process for places where people throw scores at limited places. You wouldn’t have average scholastic or IQ scores by specialty would you?

      The Philosopher

      December 20, 2016 at 8:07 am

  23. Wow, obama and the dem establishment have dropped so low as to assassinate 2 Russian ambassadors because they’re so angry they got defeated in Syria.

    Who is they?

    Neocons.

    The neocons want to start a war with Russia. They’re so crazy. As if Iraq and Afghanistan hasn’t destroyed America enough…now Russia via a proxy war with Turkey?! America has to find a way to remove these parasites like Dan Senor, Jake Sullivan, Bolton and Kristol before millions die.

    As I said, in the Vox Day comment section – how Trump deals with the neocons matters far more than the neocon controlled dem media/establishment and the cucked repubs (under neocons). The neocons are the true enemy of all the American and Western people. They operate in the shadows.

    I call the establishment cucks all the time, because they work for the neocons. Either party.

    Let’s pray the patriots in the deep state can foil them and in time assassinate them.

    The Philosopher

    December 20, 2016 at 9:01 am

  24. By the way Senor (behind the Trump locker room tape) and Kristol (behind Evan McMullin) tried to sabotage the repub candidate for Hilary even though they’re nominally repubs.

    But as we all hopefully know by now….the necons are not repubs, or dems.

    The Philosopher

    December 20, 2016 at 9:03 am

  25. I have four kids. My kids’ pediatrician is a brusque, gruff guy who never wastes time with niceties. He is also the best doctor I know. His diagnostic accuracy has been perfect so far and his detailed knowledge of every condition is reassuring.

    Dan

    December 20, 2016 at 9:12 am

  26. Eighty-one percent of all surgeons are male. Surgery is the heavy duty medicine. A guy in my church had failing lungs and was dying. He got a lung transplant and is doing great. The scope of that surgery blows my mind.

    Dan

    December 20, 2016 at 9:21 am

  27. Male docs are more arrogant than female docs. Female lawyers are more arrogant than male lawyers.

    Also, if there is a huge glut of lawyers and, especially, 3rd and 4th tier toilet grads, why is it that the few times I wanted to hire a lawyer (real estate or civil matter) I couldn’t get anyone for less than $250 per hour if I could get anyone at all? None would take a flat fee to review a contract.

    Although, way back in 1992, I was able to hire a young brand new lawyer out of Nova Southeastern to handle a for-sale-by-owner real estate negotiation and closing for $200. She did a nice job and later asked why I didn’t ever ask her out on a date and asked if it was because she was Jewish.

    E. Rekshun

    December 20, 2016 at 11:55 am

    • When I was in law school a Jewish chick in the class ahead of me got a couple drinks in her and begged me to ball her, but I turned her down. Now she’s the leading celebrity divorce lawyer in H’wood.

      mel belli

      December 20, 2016 at 9:44 pm

  28. A very interesting 2008 article from NY times on dermatology being the most scholastic elite specialty in medecine, but who doesn’t give a clear explanation of the reason of that fact :
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/fashion/19beauty.html

    Bruno from Paris

    December 20, 2016 at 1:59 pm

  29. I don’t consider myself much of an expert with doctor comparisons, as I have little reason to visit them with the exception of my annual check-up and a few mild (but unfounded) scares. During my last check-up, my (male) doctor half-jokingly said I was a boring guy to examine as he was reading through my blood & urine results.

    I do notice a trend in the comments that female doctors are nicer and more thorough. Perhaps its a matter of being at the wrong place and wrong time, but it seems like the complete opposite, in my experience.

    The most thorough, professional, and accurate doctors have been men. To date, every female doctor I have seen has either been arrogant or downright grumpy. I always wonder why. To my knowledge, I don’t do or say anything to make them feel uncomfortable. I talk to them as respectfully as I would a male doctor.

    Don’t even get me started with nurses (which I recall commenting about on this blog, a long while back).

    markus

    December 20, 2016 at 2:19 pm

  30. Dizzy Dean said ” It ain’t bragging if you can do it” . Female MDs who are competent are just as arrogant as male MDs. Most patients can not tell if an MD is competent. The 4 A’s in medicine are affability, availability, affordability and ability with the last a distant 4th for most people. BTW- the study is flawed since hospitalized patients are taken care of teams, male & female. Sick patients are taken care of by multiple MDs. Non statistical noise/BS data.

    regularjoeski

    December 20, 2016 at 3:53 pm

  31. Female docs are better GPs. Male docs are better sepcialists. Female GPs are more caring and willing to investigate potential issues further. But once referred to a specialist, I want a male aspie to diagnose and treat me.

    Bobo

    December 21, 2016 at 4:19 am


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