Lion of the Blogosphere

Santa Monica vs. Coney Island

Santa Monica, the most famous beach in Los Angeles County, is also one of the most desirable places to live in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.

Coney Island, the most famous beach in New York City, is prole. No one rich or famous would be caught dead living there.

Why did these two beach areas have such different outcomes? That’s the question to answer this Christmas.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 25, 2016 at EST am

Posted in Proles, Wealth

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  1. Maybe Coney island is undervalued and it’s time to buy.

    Jjbees

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • You’d have to live a seedy area for a long long time before your investment pays off, if it ever does pay off.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 25, 2016 at EST am

  2. New York is cold 6 months out of the year. Lot of pollution. Many overweight, out of shape people. Not a good beach scene.

    Two in the Bush

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • There are hardcore surfers who surf all year round.

      But you can live in Manhattan and take the subway out there to surf.

      David Pinsen

      December 26, 2016 at EST am

  3. LA’s rich and famous gravitate towards Santa Monica? I thought that was Malibu and Carmel?

    Brendan

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

  4. New York has Manhattan to aspire to. Los Angeles has Manhattan Beach. Big difference.

    ice hole

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • I’d rather live in Manhattan Beach than Manhattan, personally.

      Tarl

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  5. Santa Monica is an entire city and is vastly larger than Coney Island. It’s very misleading to compare the two.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • I agree. SaMo’s least desirable population is hanging out at the actual beach or pier (rather than shopping in the pricey stores, eating in the pricy restaurants, or living in pricy beachfront real estate. Too bad you didn’t come in summer, then you’d get a better idea of who uses the actual beach. And I assume you already knew the Pacific in SoCal is really cold and no one swims in it in the winter.

      Sheila Tone

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • You so rarely comment here any more. Welcome back.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • If you want to see a more traditional SoCal beach scene, head south to Venice or Hermosa. Malibu, to the north, is nice and famously rich, but hard to find public access to the beaches.

        Sheila Tone

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  6. Weather!

    IHTG

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • Although, Florida is kind of prole too.

      IHTG

      December 25, 2016 at EST am

      • Yes, Florida are for proles who like the warm clime by the ocean, albeit it is significantly cheaper than California, because it’s prole, humid and hurricane-prone.

        Steve Sailer once made a remark about the paucity of East Asians in Florida, despite having a similar scenery with that of California. Why would East Asians live in a town populated with feisty Cubans and Puerto Ricans?

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Asians live in CA because it’s closer to Asia.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • In part it’s true. But Florida is close to the Northeast, so why aren’t more SWPLs settling there, who would prefer California? The answer has to do mostly with its demographics.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Asians live in CA because it’s closer to Asia.

        Why do they live in Fort Lee, NJ?

        David Pinsen

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Because it’s a suburb of NYC and NYC is the most important city in the world.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Only successful Koreans live in Fort Lee NJ. It’s a very nice place and NYC is right across the river and it’s is where the money is. Why them and not say Indians? I dunno. They wanted to stick together somehow. They’ve been there since forever.

        Yakov

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Different ethnicities like to stick together in their own little enclaves. Only SWPLs seek diversity.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Duh! Why would I want to live among Koreans or NAMs? I got nothing in common with them. This is plain common sense. Look, a cow and a donkey don’t like each other that much. You might think what’s the big deal? But you see they have problems.

        Yakov

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Florida is too hot and humid in the summer to do outdoor sports. It is also totally flat and not much nature other than swamps. California has mountains, skiing, redwood forests, deserts, the Hollywood film industry, good universities, and a lot of culture that SWPLs love. SWPLs look down on Florida because of all the stereotypes of gated communities, Trump hotels, the elderly, and Miami Vice linen suits.

        DataExplorer

        December 28, 2016 at EST pm

  7. Coney Island populaiton: 24,711
    Santa Monica population: 92,472

    Google “coney island section 8”: 300k hits
    Google “Santa Monica section 8”: 1.200k hits

    Coney Island Site 4a1 has a total of 334 units, 132 of which are Section 8 assisted living units.

    The Housing Authority of the City of Santa Monica administers 1,092 Section 8 housing vouchers. According to HUD, Housing Authority of the City of Santa Monica is designated as Medium High, meaning it administers 500 – 1,249 Section 8 vouchers.

    trooogdooorblog

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • Section 8 doesn’t mean a tenant is poor. At least not in this city. Not in Brighton for sure. You think Russians are stupid? Think again.

      Yakov

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Section 8 housing is really a NAM program for blacks. Hispanics who live in subsidized housing usually do alright and are not poor. Urban blacks are poor, but you can’t say the same of Hispanics.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  8. To ponder this silliness on Christmas is ridiculous. I’m not telling Christians what to do, but if you are a Jew or anything like that, think of George Washington crossing Delaware on Christmas night. That was a huge deal! I walked 6 miles along Hackensack river, or whatever it’s called, and thought of that this morning and it was good.

    Brighton was an amazing real estate investment. People made fortunes. Russians love Brighton and there is demand. And why not? The sea and the people are great. Russians love the sea.

    Yakov

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

  9. The entire Los Angeles County is not really desirable to most SWPL types. It is only desirable to a certain ethnic demographic which I refrain from naming. Your readers know what I’m talking about. The same reason Orlando is desirable to many Puerto Ricans in New York. The same reason why Miami is desirable to Cuban Americans.

    JS

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • The westside is very white

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • The westside of LA is very Upper West Side.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • And the east side is very brown, the San Fernando Valley very Russian and Armenian, the San Gabriel Valley very Asian and Long Beach very gay.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Mar Vista, east of Venice, seemed to have a lot of Mexicans. I lived there for a while. I think that counts as part of the westside, although it’s further south than what people are usually talking about when they say westside.

        Rogal Dorn

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

    • Most everything between the 405 and the ocean from Santa Monica to San Clemente is desirable to SWPLs.

      Tarl

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Yes, anyplace within LA country is barbarica. Only people with bad taste live in Los Angeles.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • And Tarl — the coastline of Western LA is not on the same level of desirability with anything north or south of it. Essentially, Santa Barbara is very desirable for SWPLs, San Clemente less so, but more than Santa Monica, and San Diego is similar to SB.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Remember this — East Coast SWPLs generally head out to the West Coast for solace, relaxation from their usual hectic lifestyle back home. Los Angeles and its surrounding areas are not these places, and this includes Santa Monica. Furthermore, pretentious SWPLs from the East usually aren’t looking for another haughty town to make their life uneasy, and LA county is full of pretentious people.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • (shrug) I see a shitload of SWPLs every time I am in Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach, El Segundo, Santa Monica, Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, Laguna Beach, etc., so it is obvious from the number of SWPLs who live there that this coastal area of LA is attractive to them.

        Tarl

        December 26, 2016 at EST pm

      • True SWPL beaches aren’t infested with people walking on a long boardwalk or pathway alongside beach homes, where many of them also look like proles. They tend to be short within a mile or so at max.

        Good examples of these small SWPL beaches in Southern California are the Coronado Beach and La Jolla Cove in San Diego, and the Butterfly and Leadbetter beaches in Santa Barbara.

        The Santa Monica beach is no different from the coastline of the Jersey Shore and Southern Brooklyn’s sandy area. It’s overcrowded and draws a large gathering of people who aren’t even from the area. We’re talking about a long stretch of sand that spans more than 20 street blocks in Manhattan.

        JS

        December 27, 2016 at EST am

  10. The beach season is much shorter in NYC. For most of the year there’s no use in living next to the beach here.

    The expensive places outside of Manhattan are either right next to it or beyond the reach of the subway (the Hamptons, Greenwich). Coney Island is an hour-long subway ride away from all the jobs. The subway stinks.

    Glossy

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

    • For most of the year there’s no use in living next to the beach here

      I cannot understand this mentality. When I lived in coastal Canada I’d go for walks on the beach even mid-winter.

      Samson J.

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  11. Demographics.

    GondwanaMan

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

  12. IIRC, the Manhattan Beach end of Coney Island is still quite desirable.

    sestamibi

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

  13. The beaches are nice and very wide in Santa Monica. I’m sure that has a lot do with it. The beaches there are great. Cold water but great sand. Really wide with paths. The pier is very touristy but right next to it are nice hotels and restaurants and expensive condos.

    Gmr

    December 25, 2016 at EST am

  14. Manhattan Beach is wealthy and, as the name implies, right on a beach. It’s not super wealthy though and most of the beach areas in NYC aren’t wealthy at all. The relatively new Oceana development in Brighton is more upscale than Brighton generally.

    Glossy

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  15. From the history on wikipedia, it looks like it hasn’t taken off because competing interests keep blocking each other legally and politically. Interestingly, Fred Trump bought a chunk of it in the 70’s planning to build luxury apartments but couldn’t get it rezoned.

    destructure

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

    • Could be true, but when I wrote that it was amazing investment, I’d meant for little guys like me. I don’t know about Trump. They have enough opportunities, Brighton was something for us, the little guys.

      Yakov

      December 27, 2016 at EST am

  16. I’ll venture a guess. New Yorkers, unlike SoCal people, are not “beach” people. They are late-night city people. They want to live in Manhattan or anywhere as close to it as they can. They do not value living near a beach like SoCal people do.

    Abelard Lindsey

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

    • Hamptons, New Yorkers love the Hamptons.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Most Manhattanites would never live in a beach town long term.

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  17. Rich people go to the beach somewhere sunny, proles go to the beach near where they live.

    snorlax

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  18. Is there mass transit to Coney Island? Ever read Sailer’s pieces on how cheap transport out of Chicago increased crime in nearby cities on the train lines? See Sailer http://www.unz.com/isteve/it-takes-forever-to-get-anything-done-in-california/. Sailer seems to suggest that mass transit makes it easier for undesirables to get to nice places and ruin them. Santa Monica won’t let the subway into their town.

    I seem to recall Sailer also discussing the advantages that rent control brought to Santa Monica (along the lines of desirable people are better at hanging on to rent control apts), but perhaps I’m dreaming.

    Curle

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  19. NY jews = diamonds, office cubes, no nature what-so-ever, only understand east coast urban women, hate masculine Irish men, some of them literally avoid all other people and only speak their own language, money is everything, where is California?

    LA jews = have seen a beach, have seen the outdoors, tan, have been around off-the-cuff fake tit shiksa women at their porn-cube media job, wear different colors besides black, money counts but so does the boardwalk, NYC is for the stiff jews.

    I'm done here

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  20. You can get to Coney Island by subway, but Santa Monica is inaccessible by public transit (well, until this year).

    George S

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  21. Coney Island is not on the ocean; its on a bay.

    TonyM

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

  22. Lion you have a serious fanbase in Santa Monica. If you ever are planning a drive around California let us know we will organize a few celebratory events. We can show you the TOOS places and the prole places

    Wencil

    December 25, 2016 at EST pm

    • Again, why would an East Coast SWPL (not Lion) vacation in Santa Monica, when San Diego and Santa Barbara offer more of a peace of mind? The entire stretch of the Southern California coastline seems identical, with the exception of the surrounding demographics.

      JS

      December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • The Southern California Coastline-Cities and their respective class markers:

        Santa Barbara – SWPL
        Santa Monica – NAM/Prole
        Santa Ana – NAM
        San Clementine -SWProle
        San Diego – SWPL

        JS

        December 25, 2016 at EST pm

      • Have you ever been to Santa Monica? It is on the west side of Los Angeles, and its real estate is expensive. By Los Angeles standards, Santa Monica has low numbers of NAM’s and proles.

        nebbish

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Not recently. But real estate in SaMo is too expensive to be prole, and SaMo is one of the few majority white areas of greater Los Angeles.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • I see many proles and Hispanics on the boardwalk.

        JS

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

  23. No photos?

    Sheila Tone

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

    • Beach Proles of the East Coast vs the West Coast

      Seaside Heights, NJ

      vs

      Santa Monica, CA

      JS

      December 26, 2016 at EST am

  24. Lion — what about Southern California vs the Jersey Shore?

    JS

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

  25. Coney Island, the most famous beach in New York City, is prole.

    To be honest, even the nice areas with beaches tend to be prole in the region. Nobody thinks of Brighton Beach as “upscale”, nor the Rockaways or the South Shore of Staten Island. Atlantic Beach and Lido Beach on Long Island skew nicer, but nobody would compare that barrier beach to Santa Monica. In contrast, the Westchester and Connecticut shore have limited beach access, but those areas skew upper middle class at minimum.

    IIRC, I suspect that Santa Monica benefits from being near a favoured quarter of the LA region, versus being a weird playground for urban planners (Coney Island or majority black areas of the Rockaways) or an isolated area with limited access but amenities favoured by prole civil servants (majority white areas of the Rockaway) or a place popular with immigrants (Brighton Beach).

    David Alexander

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

    • With the exception of Manhattan in the NYC tri-state area, its entire surrounding environs is old, stuffy, and populated with White ethnics who are neither relevant to the greater American dialogue nor culturally sophisticated like their counterparts in the Old World, and thus are greatly disliked by anyone west of the Hudson and east of the Atlantic.

      JS

      December 26, 2016 at EST pm

  26. As someone who actually lives in the beach cities of California, I can give you a more detailed explanation. Assuming that money is not an issue, people choose where to live based on three criteria
    1. What is the crime rate
    2. How exciting is the place you are living
    3. How long is the drive to other exciting places

    On these three criteria you can evaluate each of the many beach cities in Southern California

    Wencil

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

  27. Montecito and San Clemente and La Jolla are all beautiful, nearly all white crime free places. But they are considered to be boring, and also a long drive away from exciting places

    Wencil

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

    • Santa Barbara and La Jolla are clean, safe, expensive and boring, and that’s what East Coast SWPLs want, when they are vacationing in California’s beach cities.

      JS

      December 26, 2016 at EST am

  28. On the other hand, Venice CA is sort of filthy and contains violent criminals but is considered to be very zesty and exciting and is a short drive to ther exciting places. So many people who could easily afford La Jolla or Montecito choose venice instead. Spend time here and you will understand

    Wencil

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

  29. Lion. There are a few things you should know about Santa Monica. Traditionally the
    Northern end of Santa Monica was expensive and the Southern end was more middle class. The Northenmost street in the city is La Mesa. Almost no one who doesn’t live on
    La Mesa wver viisits it. The houses cost an average of $9 million each. Just South of La Mesa is the “North of Montana” neighborhood where average house is on a quarter acre lot and costs $4 million.

    Shlomi

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

  30. By far the whitest neighborhood in the whole Los Angeles metro region is Manhattan
    Beach. Manhattan beach is where the majority of The white professional athletes in the region live, It is a very all american whitebread place where all the kids rush to the beach as soon as school lets out each day. Half the kids grab surfboards and the others play beach volleyball. You need to see it.

    Shlomi

    December 26, 2016 at EST am

    • If Santa Monica is the Coney Island of Los Angeles, then Manhattan Beach is the Breezy Point (which is actually a LOT whiter neighborhood than Manhattan Beach CA, clocking in at 98% white). In both cases, the NYC equivalent is prole and the LA equivalent is not.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • Quite a number of Californian Whites I’ve met think Northeastern Whites are too ethnic “or what we call prole”, and wish to avoid them.

        JS

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

      • In other words, many of the California Whites are originally from transplanted southern families who did well and they don’t like northerners to this day.

        Curle

        December 26, 2016 at EST am

  31. Coney Island has wayyyy too many high rise buildings. The project complexes in Coney Island sprawl across that part of south Brooklyn. Summer nights off of the Coney Island Boardwalk are populated by shirtless teens in jeans. The only things that may bring a change to Coney Island are the Chinese, who gate up their windows like little forts in hostile territory. But as soon as they make money they leave to Jersey. A lot of middle easterners living just outside of Coney Island, too, these days. I can recall the days of Oceanview Avenue being a side street of a few blocks where the prostitutes would peddle their wares. Now the bungalows there are becoming little buildings, though I haven’t driven by there in a while.

    BrooklynOutpost

    December 26, 2016 at EST pm

  32. apples and oranges.

    what about long beach? or oxnard?

    what about nassau and suffolk counties?

    Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!

    December 26, 2016 at EST pm

    • The only guy I know who lives in Long Beach is pretty prole.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 26, 2016 at EST pm

    • You have more social proof when you tell others that you have a home in SoCal vs one in the Jersey Shore or any guido infested nabe in the Northeast!!!

      JS

      December 26, 2016 at EST pm

    • long beach CA!

      i didn’t know there was a long beach in NYC.

      Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!

      December 26, 2016 at EST pm

  33. Santa Monica was not such a nice arra back in the 80s, at least not like today. Back then there were 2 Santa Monicas, north of Monrana Blvd and South of Montana Blvd. My dad used to tell me to never ride my skateboard to the southside. I think the line demarking the good and bad parts of SM gradually moved farther and farther south, by the late 90s all of SM was gentrified and Venice Beach to the south was next.

    DataExplorer

    December 27, 2016 at EST am


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