Lion of the Blogosphere

Serena Williams to marry nerdy white guy

Wow!

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Absconding an image of the nerdy white guy is the most likely case where some grumpy pissed-at-the-world photographer will sue me for copyright infringement.

To see what the nerdy guy looks like, use Google.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 30, 2016 at 1:01 am

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  1. It was a surprise to me, but I’m not sure “nerd” is the best descriptor for Alexis Ohanian. He’s a techie, but he’s also a prominent public speaker, author, investor, plays in a band, etc. IOW, he’s not a socially awkward type that the term “nerd” often connotes.

    David Pinsen

    December 30, 2016 at 1:36 am

    • I agree. Just going by the photos, he’s a heck of a lot more hip than Mark Cuckerberg.

      Hermes

      December 30, 2016 at 11:58 am

  2. He’s half Armenian. I’d call that more whitish than white.

    destructure

    December 30, 2016 at 1:48 am

    • Armenia is in the Caucusus so he’s inherently Caucasian.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2016 at 8:00 am

      • Caucasian and whitish, then.

        Much like the Kardashians, his preference is the brown meat. Something regional?

        Glengarry

        December 30, 2016 at 11:42 am

      • Most caucasians aren’t white. arabs, indians and even somalians are technically caucasian, too. I’m not equating armenians with those groups. Rather I’m pointing out that there’s a spectrum of genetic distance.

        destructure

        December 30, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    • Come on, this isn’t Stormfront. We’ll take any pinkish person who doesn’t have six kids out of wedlock.

      SFG

      December 30, 2016 at 8:23 am

    • They’re a gender-flipped Kardashian-West.

      IHTG

      December 30, 2016 at 10:11 am

    • Armenians are white.

      The only reason the altright has been trying to turning up the hate against Southern Europeans, and non-Muslim Caucasians like Armenians and Lebanese Christians and redefine them all as racially non-white is because genetics has confirmed over recent years that Ashkenazi Jews are over 50% Southern European.

      The Armenians will be in even hotter water if it turns out Jewish Near Eastern DNA is closer to Armenians than Arabs.

      If you thought Southern Europeans and Armenians were white before Jewish genome studies, destructure, you don’t to get weasel out of your past position by declaring them non-white just beacuase they are both closely related to Jews.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 30, 2016 at 10:46 am

      • “The Armenians will be in even hotter water if it turns out Jewish Near Eastern DNA is closer to Armenians than Arabs.”

        It is. The Arabs invaded the land of Israel after the Jewish diaspora happened. Jews aren’t related to Arabs. Jews aren’t really racially “semitic.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 11:52 am

      • Maybe the Levant was more Armenoid before the rise of Islam?

        This could have been hinted at by the bible with the story of Abraham having origins in Ur which is now Southeastern Turkey. There the inhabitants resemble other groups from the Caucuses.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 12:20 pm

      • “The Armenians will be in even hotter water if it turns out Jewish Near Eastern DNA is closer to Armenians than Arabs.”

        Muslims in the Middle East today are quite distinct from ancient Middle Easterners. The ancient ones derived from prehistoric farmers, and they had dark hair, dark eyes and pale skin.

        Muslims have enslaved women for ages from all over the world. Middle Eastern Muslims, therefore, tend to have significantly higher amounts of African ancestry than Middle Easterners of pre-Islamic times.

        Religious minorities in the Middle East, such as the Christians, look much “whiter” than the Muslims do.

        The problem is that while the racial category “Caucasoid” is fairly clear (Europeans, Middle Easterners and Indians share more physical similarities with each other than they do with East Asians or Africans), but “white” as a subcategory within Caucasoids is fairly fuzzy. In general, being “white” means your skin is sufficiently pale and you’re culturally related to Europe. For example, a Dutchman is certainly white, whereas a Saudi Arabian will most likely be “brown,” even though they’re both racially Caucasian.

        The English, French and Germans are unquestionably white. Northern Italians are almost always considered white too. Southern Italians are more ambiguous, as are Greeks, but they’re generally considered white because they’re Christian and they speak Indo-European languages. Turks and Caucasians are even more ambiguous, and their skin colors vary enough within their populations to make calls difficult. I lived in Azerbaijan (a Muslim Turkic country in the Caucasus) for a couple of years, and some people looked “white.” Others looked “brown,” the way Saudis do. The majority were somewhere in-between: black hair, black eyes and fair but slightly brown skin were the norm.

        Armenians and Georgians are Christian, so that helps make them “white.” Azerbaijanis are Muslim, so that makes their situation ambiguous. Ultimately, there was no consensus on whether they were white or not among people who talked about the matter.

        Are Jews white? While they tend to have darker hair and eyes than, say, Germans, their skin is white enough, and they’ve been part of European civilization for so long that I find the claim they aren’t to be ridiculous.

        Sid

        December 30, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      • My Jewish grandmother had red hair and blue eyes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 3:15 pm

      • Turks and Caucasians are even more ambiguous, and their skin colors vary enough within their populations to make calls difficult.

        Turks are not ethnically homogeneous.

        Along the coast, especially Istanbul, the natives are often ethnically Greek because the Greeks colonized the Aegean coastline of Turkey.

        If one automatically excludes Muslims, the other borderline cases you mention are a small number of remaining Christian groups in the Near East that do not have as much Southern Arab admixture as surrounding Muslim populations do. Thus they can usually pass for white in European countries.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 4:03 pm

      • “My Jewish grandmother had red hair and blue eyes.”

        Right. My point is that Jewish people usually have darker features than Northern Europeans, but they qualify as white, and many of them do have light hair and eyes colors.

        “Turks are not ethnically homogeneous.”

        Right, which is why I noted that there’s a lot of skin color variation among their population. The Turkish nationality was superimposed on a lot of formerly distinct ethnic groups. To be an ethnic Turk in modern Turkey, you essentially need to speak Turkish, be a Muslim and be loyal to the state. Ataturk really didn’t want people to think too much about whether their great grandparents were Circassian, Armenian, or Assyrian. Turkish nationalists also like to keep the matter of whether they originally were Hittites or nomads somewhere in Asia fuzzy.

        “If one automatically excludes Muslims, the other borderline cases you mention are a small number of remaining Christian groups in the Near East that do not have as much Southern Arab admixture as surrounding Muslim populations do. Thus they can usually pass for white in European countries.”

        The Greeks and Romans had all kinds of ethnic stereotypes about Middle Easterners and Persians which would have triggered SJWs, but what stands out to me is that they didn’t consider Middle Easterners to be “brown” the way modern Europeans and white Americans consider Muslim Arabs to be.

        Sid

        December 30, 2016 at 5:06 pm

      • I have white skin and blue eyes (which I got from my maternal grandmother, everyone in her family had blue eyes). I don’t have any dark features at all. I plan on getting a genetic test soon. I am curious how my DNA compares to Jews who look more stereotypically Jewish. I wonder if I have less Southern European in me? Or perhaps my ancestors mixed more with gentile Northern Europeans?

        I remember when I asked my relatives with blue eyes about this subject they always blew me off “It doesn’t matter, we’re Jewish”. One mentioned it was a positive our family could blend in with the general population. I don’t understand how they could have no curiosity about our genetics.

        Jay Fink

        December 30, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      • I had an Armenian-American co-worker who I became close friends with for decades. He passed away earlier this year at age 79. I bonded with him so well, he really seemed like family to me…as much as anyone I met in my life. That friendship probably has nothing to do with genetics but I still find it fascinating to learn Jewish and Armenian DNA are close.

        One thing genetics have taught us is that being Jewish is as much a race as a religion. This was a taboo thought for many years after World War 2 but it’s the truth. In my case as someone who is not religious at all it is much more my race/genetic history than my religion.

        Jay Fink

        December 30, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      • >>My Jewish grandmother had red hair and blue eyes.

        I read somewhere (can’t recall) that in medieval, late medieval and early modern times European Jews were noted for red hair. I would bet that it comes from their Italo/Celtic maternal ancestors.

        One still encounters quite a few red headed Jews. Eg. do a Google search on Ryan Kavanaugh.

        I think that Kavanaugh is a hilarious presence. He’s got an Irish name, a goofy Irish mug and goofy Irish red hair but he is 100% Jewish.

        Daniel

        December 30, 2016 at 6:25 pm

      • I don’t have red hair but when I grew a beard in the early 90s it was red! That really surprised me. That was the only time I had a beard and at the time I seemed to be the only young man that had one. Little did I know that 25 years later every young man would have one in a never ending fad.

        Jay Fink

        December 30, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      • Examples of two very Arabic/Semitic looking Ashkenazis:

        Hollywood actor Jeff Goldbum and Former CEO of Lehman Bros. Richard Fuld

        Both are swarthy and not very “White” in appearance. They look the kind of guys who could run a falafel joint.

        JS

        December 30, 2016 at 11:15 pm

      • Judaism is a religion and not a race. Jews from the Middle East (Sephardic) look Middle Eastern. Jews from Europe (Ashekanazi) look European. Jews from Ethiopia look black.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 11:33 pm

      • Both Jeff Goldblum and Richard Fuld are Ashkenazi Jews. Occasionally, the slip up happens and you’ll find European Jews with a “Middle Eastern” look.

        Most Askhenazim are light skinned, some are darker, and usually not too distinctively “Semitic” in appearance.

        Another guy who falls in the Semitic category is the late Abe Vigoda, who died recently. He played Salvatore Tessio in the Godfather movie.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 12:29 am

      • JS — Richard Fuld doesn’t look that bad. But there’s no way Jeff Goldblum is white. He’s not even whitish.

        destructure

        December 31, 2016 at 1:12 am

      • He looks very Italian. Are Italians white? He certainly doesn’t look like a black man. Or like a Chinese man.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:06 am

      • Lion, if being Jewish is only a religion how do genetic tests pick up on it?

        Jay Fink

        December 31, 2016 at 1:48 am

      • Jews have been closed religion for many centuries, with people rarely joining except by birth. But gentiles CAN convert and have always done so, it just was pretty rare. Because Jews were victims of Christian discrimination for so long, it’s unlikely that Christians would want to convert to a hated group (and possibly face punishment by the Catholic Church). So blaming Jews for having similar genes is like blaming them for being discriminated against.

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        And there’s also the fact that the religion sucks. Who in their right mind would want to convert to Judaism and trade Christmas for Yom Kippur?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:07 am

      • Judaism is a religion and not a race

        Come on, Lion. That’s lame. Plenty of agnostic, atheist, and secular Jews consider themselves Jewish ethnically, which is supported by the religion’s practice of defining a Jew as someone born to a Jewish woman.

        If Judaism were just a religion, “looks Jewish” would be as meaningless a phrase as “looks Catholic”. Outliers like Ethiopian Jews and converts don’t change that.

        David Pinsen

        December 31, 2016 at 1:57 am

      • An ethnicity is also not a race. Germans are a different ethnicity than British, but they are both white.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:09 am

      • Do the various sub-categories of Jews intermarry frequently?

        Glengarry

        December 31, 2016 at 5:45 am

      • Once upon a time, Sephardic Jews (the less white Jews) looked own upon the Ashkenazi (the more white Jews) and didn’t want their children to marry Ashkenazi.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:11 am

      • I am curious how my DNA compares to Jews who look more stereotypically Jewish. I wonder if I have less Southern European in me? Or perhaps my ancestors mixed more with gentile Northern Europeans?

        You would probably have the same Southern European background as darker skinned Jews. Two people from the same ethnic group can vary on phenotype on some traits such as skin color, but still be part of the same ethnic group.

        One thing genetics have taught us is that being Jewish is as much a race as a religion.

        No, Judaism is still only a religion.

        “Ashkenazi” is an ethnicity, but “Ashkenazi” is not the religion of Judaism.

        You wouldn’t have much genetically in common with Persian or Yemenite Jews.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • Come on, Lion. That’s lame. Plenty of agnostic, atheist, and secular Jews consider themselves Jewish ethnically, which is supported by the religion’s practice of defining a Jew as someone born to a Jewish woman.

        Jews are not all of the same genetic background. Persian Jews are genetically distinct from Ashkenazi.

        Ashkenazi are an ethnic group (which is what you mean when you’re talking genetics), and with over 50% European ancestry they really should be considered a white ethnic subgroup within the white race as a whole. They don not constitute a race by themselves.

        The religion of Judaism, however, is still neither a race or an ethnicity.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 11:29 am

      • Swarthier Jews Such as Goldblum and Fuld both look more like swarthier Armenians than Arabs. This is another characteristic that leads me to believe Ashkenazi Middle Eastern DNA is Armenoid.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm

      • Jewish Peoplehood denial is the highest form of anti semitism. Jews are a people, not a religion. Jews have never been just a religion. Saying that Jews are just a religion is not just total idiocy, it’s offensive.

        Anybody who denies that Jews are a people are on the same side as the Palestinians and left wing whites.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 31, 2016 at 12:39 pm

      • Lion, You mentioned Christmas is an advantage Christians have over Jews. My parents didn’t want my brother and I to miss out on the fun of Christmas so we celebrated it. We had a Christmas tree, Santa Claus, Christmas dinner etc. I remember the excitement and pure joy of waking up Christmas morning and opening up presents. We even had stockings over the fireplace. I am thankful I had that experience. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Years later I asked my dad (who was no fan of Christianity, he laughed at born again Christians as being a bunch of crazies) why he decided our family should celebrate Christmas and he said it had become a secular holiday and he knew we would enjoy it. He was right

        Jay Fink

        December 31, 2016 at 2:32 pm

      • Leon — “He looks very Italian. Are Italians white?”

        Not if they look like him.

        destructure

        December 31, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      • Not if they look like him.

        Very dark skinned Italians are not necessarily non-white because of their dark skin.

        Phenotypes, especially ones controlled by only a small number of genes such as skin tone, can vary significantly on one trait while the whole genome matches up perfectly with their ancestral group.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      • Jews are a people, not a religion.

        But they aren’t a genetic group either.

        Iraqi, Yemenite, Ethiopian, and Persian Jews are very different genetically from Ashkenazi Jews, but all are still considered part of the same cultural peoplehood.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    • Altright logic – if Italians are white and Armenians are white, then Jews must be white too – which the altright cannot accept under any conditions. Therefore to avoid admitting Jews are white, nimrods like destructure will “solve” this problem by classifying Italians and Armenians as not white!

      Oh, and we’ll double down on the bogus idea Ancient Romans and Greeks were Germanic!

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 30, 2016 at 10:49 am

      • Do any of you know the difference between maternal and paternal DNA? Jewish paternal DNA is Near Eastern, maternal is “local.” (Which in Europe means European.)

        Anyway there is no real scientific definition of the word “white”. It’s a term of art. People from the Near East are “white” IMO, but I know that the 1488ers would disagree w/me. And I give zero effs.

        This man had African ancestry:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_L._Gibson

        It was quite remote.

        gothamette

        December 30, 2016 at 6:58 pm

      • Nimrod doesn’t mean what you think it means.

        CamelCaseRob

        December 30, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      • “Do any of you know the difference between maternal and paternal DNA?”

        Here’s a pretty good start:

        “Your mtdna result is unique among all other types of dna results because it alone shows you an unbroken lineage going back thousands of years all the way back to genetic ‘Eve’. This is your matrilineal line – your mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s….mother. Full genome results, such as 23andme or Family Finder, can help you locate relatives no farther back than five generations or so due to recombination. If you’re a man, Y-dna results trace your patrilineal line back to genetic ‘Adam’. Only your mtdna result gives both men and women complete insight into the matrilineage of their family and allows remote common ancestors to be identified.”

        As you can see from the above, your mtDNA haplogroup can tell your most recent distinctive maternal mutation(s) along your mothers,mothers,mothers (times X) line and your paternal your most distant mutations along your father’s paternal line (which you have to obtain from a male relative if you are female). But, this is only one string of ancestors among an ever expanding list of ancestors (discounting the doubling back due to endogamy). Neither is overly helpful as a means of telling what you are mostly composed of. Autosomal results try and solve that problem by finding correlations with other persons who have highly isolated and somewhat regionally defined set of results and reliable regional family histories. The services providing those results will show your distance from some ideal profile to determine your regional background. They also now, at least geno 2, isolate for Ashkenazi but not Sephardic. I believe that Ashkenazi are the only people listed with geno 2 as purely ethnic as opposed to mostly regional association. If you are Ashkenazi and your mother was you should get pretty good results showing a high percentage for this category (on geno 2). If you are Sephardic, I believe you are more likely to get some mixture of Ashkenazi results (often a low percentage) and an elevated Southern European autosomal percentage compared to an average northern European. Do take this explanation with a grain of salt. I’m still trying to figure this out myself.

        There’s a lot more at this site. http://thecid.com/

        Type ‘what does it all mean’ into find and it will take you to a longer version of the section copied above.

        Curle

        December 30, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      • Italians and Armenians are White as in White Christians with certain behavioral/cultural norms, and Jews are not White Christians.

        Non-ethnic White Americans are also more accepting of assimilated Levantine Arabs who are usually Christian, more so than Jews, and it all has to do with cultural values. Jews might appear White, but they act differently from Whites who come from a Christian denomination.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 12:38 am

      • Ashkenazi Jews are usually more white than Italians or Armenians, so I don’t think this solution is going to work. It is interesting to note that most Caucasian Jews (Mountain Jews) are from Jewish communities that immigrated to Persia and Babylon after the destruction of the first temple. Therefore they are darker than many other more northern Caucasians like Chechens, Georgians or Circassians and maybe that’s why people decide they are closer to Armenians even though I don’t think they are. They also spoke a dialect of Tat called Juhuro, which is a Persian language.

        Hashed

        December 31, 2016 at 5:12 am

      • I’ve seen a number of articles written by Jews claiming that Jews aren’t white.

        I assume it makes for better positioning when hectoring whites about racism, plus it will entitle Jews to preferential treatment once there is a MENA category to check for race.

        Glengarry

        December 31, 2016 at 5:53 am

      • They are making that argument for bad reasons. There are Israeli Jews who think that being a different race gives them more claim to Isreal. there are liberal Jews who think that not being white makes them better people, because everyone knows whites are evil racist oppressors. And there are even alt-right Jews who are now saying they aren’t white because they buy into the Jew-hating arguments of the alt-right.

        If a Jew looks white THEN HE IS WHITE. Ethiopian Jews aren’t white. Sammi Davis Jr. was not white. The vast majority of Jews in America ARE white.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:15 am

      • I’ve seen a number of articles written by Jews claiming that Jews aren’t white.

        That’s usual twisting and lying of the facts by Steve Sailer about Jews – the GSS clearly shows Jews identify overwhelmingly as white and those articles are outliers. That he intentionally won’t refer to the GSS shows he’s interested in spreading lies, not facts.

        I assume it makes for better positioning when hectoring whites about racism, plus it will entitle Jews to preferential treatment once there is a MENA category to check for race.

        That’s another stupid theory by Sailer – most people who choose a MENA category on the Census will be Muslims, which means very few Jews or Near Easter Christians will choose the category if it ever becomes available.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 11:35 am

      • What if ticking the MENA box means you get your kid into Harvard? etc.

        Glengarry

        January 1, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    • Come on, this isn’t Stormfront.

      The increased altright hostility towards Italians and Armenians was brought about by Jewish genome studies. See my other comments.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 30, 2016 at 10:51 am

      • Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from Italians and Armenians. Both history and genetics show that the core DNA of the ashkenazic population comes from the near east. After settling in northern Italy and Germany they mixed somewhat with the locals before being mostly endogamous for ~1400 years.

        Ashkenazi Jews: white? Yes (so are the overwhelming majority of Arabs and Iranians). European? No.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 30, 2016 at 1:31 pm

      • Whether they are European depends on whether Turkey and Armenia are part of Europe.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      • Arabs don’t look white at all–at least not the ones from Saudi Arabia. There are a lot of Saudi students at my university and they definitely are not white. In my department there is an Iranian who looks to be white, an Egyptian woman who looks entirely white, and an Egyptian man who is very dark.

        I don’t think the alt-right should be equated with Storm Front. Breibart is often called alt-right, but is not at like Storm Front. The people at Storm Front seem to be really crazy.

        Rosenmops

        December 30, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      • “Italians” consist of two distinct groups: northern and southern. Northern Italians from regions around Florence and Milan (re)invented Western Civilization. The notion that Dante, Marco Polo, Michelangelo, Leonardo, Caravaggio, Titian, Raphael, Galileo, Columbus, Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Corelli, Rossini, Verdi, Puccini, Toscanini and DiMaggio weren’t white is preposterous.

        Mark Caplan

        December 30, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      • “Italians” consist of two distinct groups: northern and southern.

        Both groups look the same though – Pope Francis I is Piedmontese (Northern Italy) and the Pope could pass for a brother of Rudy Giuliani who is Southern Italian. The main difference between North and South is that the South has more Greek ancestry leftover from the days of Ionian domination of Sicily.

        And American Italians are overwhelmingly from the South of Italy, yet have been highly successful in America.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 3:52 pm

      • Southern Italians in America are successful because there was a lot of back-migration to Italy. The less successful ones went home. Southern Italians in Italy have significantly lower IQs than their northern counterparts.

        JayMan

        January 1, 2017 at 9:38 am

      • Both history and genetics show that the core DNA of the ashkenazic population comes from the near east. After settling in northern Italy and Germany they mixed somewhat with the locals before being mostly endogamous for ~1400 years.

        Wrong. It is a fact over 55% of Ashkenazi (as well as European Sephardi) DNA is Southern European.

        The origin of their Near Eastern ancestry has not been settled yet. The assumption is that it is Levantine Arab but I suspect a good portion of that will turn out to be Armenoid since what became European Jewry spent several centuries in the Byzantine Empire.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 3:58 pm

      • “The origin of their Near Eastern ancestry has not been settled yet.”

        Yes it has. It’s Israelite. That is why Ashkenazic Jews share a massive portion of their genome with both North African Sephardim in addition to Iraqi and Iranian Jews. All groups share considerable ancestory with Samaritans who are likely the closest thing we currently have to the ancient Israelites.

        Saying the Ashkenazic genome is 55% Southern Euro is meaningless when groups like the Palestinians, Lebanese and Samaritans also have a massive “Southern Euro” component to their genome. And no, it isn’t all, or even significantly, from the Crusaders.

        “The assumption is that it is Levantine Arab but I suspect a good portion of that will turn out to be Armenoid since what became European Jewry spent several centuries in the Byzantine Empire”

        Greek Jewry did, but we know that the Ashkenazi population came overwhelmingly through Germany/Central Europe by why of Italy. Studies have shown that Central European Jews have more armenoid DNA than Eastern European Jews, so the Armenoid ancestory was already present in in the central euro core of Ashkenazi Jewry and was actually watered down with the migration east.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 30, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      • like the Palestinians, Lebanese and Samaritans also have a massive “Southern Euro” component to their genome. And no, it isn’t all, or even significantly, from the Crusaders.

        It is much smaller than what Ashkenazi have.

        Greek Jewry did, but we know that the Ashkenazi population came overwhelmingly through Germany/Central Europe by why of Italy.

        The ancestors of those Italian Jews who moved on to Northern Europe originated in Greek dominated areas of the Roman Empire. The Romanite Jews of Greece are descendants of Hellenic Jewish residents of Byzantium who did not move to the Western Empire.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 5:48 pm

      • >>Whether they are European depends on whether Turkey and Armenia are part of Europe.

        My vote is that Anatolia and the Caucuses are definitely part of Europe:1) heavily influenced throughout their history by Greek, Roman and Christian civilization, the foundation stones of European civilization. 2) For the past several hundred years, at least, this area has been fought over, sought after, and challenged by several European powers, (Russia, Hapsburgs, Britain, France, Venice) and lesser states (Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria).

        The Ottomans were a European civilization, a multinational empire. Muslim non-Kurd Anatolians took pride of place, but peoples of the other nationalities played significant roles in the state and military.

        Daniel

        December 30, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      • “And American Italians are overwhelmingly from the South of Italy, yet have been highly successful in America.”

        I recall reading somewhere that in addition to large scale return migration of southern Italians, those that stayed, perhaps as much as 80+ percent of first generation Italians intermarried not with other southern Italians but with Germans and that this explains away the supposed conundrum associated with southern Italian IQ in the US and why it is on par with Northern Italian IQ. I don’t live in a part of the country with a lot of Italians, but those I know fit this description, Italian surnames but of mixed Italian-German heritage. I’d love to re-find the article making the high intermarriage claim.

        Curle

        December 30, 2016 at 9:59 pm

      • Right groups don’t like Jews, because of behavioral/cultural reasons, and it has very little do with race, phenotype or whether Jews are White or not.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 12:47 am

      • So you admit that Jews have reason to be paranoid, because it’s not paranoia if people really don’t like you.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 8:04 am

      • Yes, and Jews aren’t White as in Christian White. Conversely, they have certain behavioral/cultural traits that White gentiles might be wary of.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 10:00 am

      • Jesus was Jewish and he came from the same racial origins as Jews.

        Judaism and Christianity are more alike than they are different. They both share the exact same holy texts, plus Maimonides drove Judaism towards a Christian moral outlook back in the 12th century.

        True white supremacists realize that Christianity is a non-white religion and they have switched to Asatru. Get with the program.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 10:14 am

      • Not really TUJ — the Alt-Right knows Ashkenazi Jews are very different from White Gentiles (who come from a Christian background), and Judaism is also a culture, so it’s both religion and culture that separates the 2 types of “Whites”.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 12:55 am

      • I recall reading somewhere that in addition to large scale return migration of southern Italians, those that stayed, perhaps as much as 80+ percent of first generation Italians intermarried not with other southern Italians but with Germans and that this explains away the supposed conundrum associated with southern Italian IQ in the US and why it is on par with Northern Italian IQ. I don’t live in a part of the country with a lot of Italians, but those I know fit this description, Italian surnames but of mixed Italian-German heritage. I’d love to re-find the article making the high intermarriage claim.

        A very questionable and weak explanation.

        The vast majority of successful first and second generation Italian Americans had two Italian parents.

        In terms of marriage, Italians seem most inclined to marry Irish, then Jews and other ethnic white populations. Germans not so much. And btw, if Lynn’s IQ scores for Ireland are correct and the Irish do have 90 IQs, then Southern Italian-Irish offspring, of which there are many in the Northeast, ought to be at an educational disadvantage. As far as I know both groups have educational outcomes as good or better than the white American average. Which is yet another point suggesting Lynn’s numbers are junk.

        As for the possibility those Italians who remained in the United States were smarter than those who went back, there are two problems. First it assumes that the least successful Italians would be much more inclined to return than those who made in America. But it could also be true that those who returned were already successful at home and were those smarter than those that remained.

        But even if this is true, the greatest problem is that, assuming Southern Italians have IQs in the low 90s, is the math.

        For the remaining Italian Americans to get a 5-10 point IQ boost once the less intelligent Italian immigrants returned would, under a normal distribution, require all of the remaining Italians to be in the top 10 to 20 percentiles in terms of intelligence for that immigrant group.

        It’s quite unlikely that the returning Italian immigrants were that different from the remaining population to give Italian Americans that kind of IQ boost.

        It’s more likely that this whole theory about Southern Italians being far below the European IQ average was cooked up by white trash who had no idea what they were talking about, and then had to come up with a clumsy explanation for why Italian American performance was so high.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 11:57 am

      • You’re assuming the ones that came in the first place were close to the Southern Italian average, which is NOT the case (it never is – rarely are immigrants representative of their home populations).

        Indeed, one of the lowest performing White groups in America are French Canadians. There immigration selected for poorer performers.

        JayMan

        January 1, 2017 at 9:42 am

      • Not really TUJ — the Alt-Right knows Ashkenazi Jews are very different from White Gentiles

        The altright knows nothing about any subject.

        Their closeted leader endorsed Britain remaining in the European Union before Brexit.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 11:59 am

      • The dumbest white American populations are Appalachian Scots-Irish, not Italian. But for some reason the altright isn’t keen on bringing up Scots-Irish IQ.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 12:00 pm

      • The Alt-Right knows Jews are not synonymous with White Christian gentiles, and that’s all they need to know.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 12:45 pm

      • Well of course Jews are not Christians. Duh. Different religions you know.

        But secular Jews are more Christian in their outlook on life than they are Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 12:48 pm

      • Regarding the rate at which second generation Italians intermarried.

        “The vast majority of successful first and second generation Italian Americans had two Italian parents.”

        No.

        As early as the 1891-95 time period second generation Italian immigrant men were out-marrying at a rate of 48%. This dipped to 43% in the 1901-05 time period and bottomed out at 40% in the 1906-10 time period but rose back to 48%, 51%, 62%, 70%, ending at 83% in the 1936-40 time period. In other words, the norm for second generation Italian men was to out-marry. Combine this with the prior presence of northern Italians and the near 50% return rate for southern Italians during the period of mass migration it should be clear that third generation Italian IQ tests were reflecting much more than pure or even majority southern Italian IQ. (Plus, haven’t we since learned that mothers contribute more to IQ?).

        Also, there appears to have been a quite considerable amount of intermarriage between second generation Italians and Jews.

        TABLE 9. ITALIAN INTERMARRIAGE RATES BY COHORT AND GENERATION, Demographic Outcomes of Ethnic Intermarriage in American History: Italian-Americans Through Four Generations by Joel Perlmann
        Levy Institute, August, 2000.

        Curle

        December 31, 2016 at 3:25 pm

      • Above should read ‘second generation Italian men’ not ‘second generation Italian immigrant men.’

        Also, I should not have disputed the claim that ‘second’ generation Italian men mostly had Italian parents. That’s true, but starting in the late 1800s the third generation was approximately 50% intermarried and kept growing as a proportion of marriages by Italian men. This calls into question any survey of Italian IQ that assumes it is reflects southern Italian genes.

        Curle

        December 31, 2016 at 3:36 pm

      • As early as the 1891-95 time period second generation Italian immigrant men were out-marrying at a rate of 48%. This dipped to 43% in the 1901-05 time period and bottomed out at 40% in the 1906-10 time period but rose back to 48%, 51%, 62%, 70%, ending at 83% in the 1936-40 time period.

        Second generation Italians in the late 19th century were descended from a smaller population of first generation Italian immigrants who arrived in the mid 19th century, or earlier.

        First generation Italian Americans from the Great Wave dwarfed in size whatever Italian population already existed by the 1890s. Had the IQ of this later wave of Italians been lower than the existing Italian American community we would expect their children to perform worse in school, for which there’s no testing evidence to support.

        Combine this with the prior presence of northern Italians and the near 50% return rate for southern Italians during the period of mass migration it should be clear that third generation Italian IQ tests were reflecting much more than pure or even majority southern Italian IQ. (Plus, haven’t we since learned that mothers contribute more to IQ?).

        80% of all Italian Americans are descended from Southern Italy, most of the rest Central Italy. Northern Italians have never been more than 10% of the total.

        As for the 50% return rate, even assuming there was a significant IQ gap between those remained and those who returned to Italy, 50% isn’t enough to boost the remaining Italian American IQ rate significantly.

        80% to 90% of the least intelligent immigrants would have had to return for the remaining ones by 5 or 10 IQ points.

        At best for you case this means Southern Italy’s average IQ is in the high 90s, still comparable to other Europeans.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      • Most Italians in State Island are Sicilian.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • Richard Lynn’s IQ estimates are crap. He also has Irish IQ at 90, which isn’t supported by academic results of second generation Irish immigrants.

        Stop wasting time trying salvage it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 31, 2016 at 5:40 pm

      • Lynn’s IQ scores for Italy are accurate.

        The latest IQ score from Lynn for Ireland pegs it at around 95, which is quite believable.

        Like I said, immigrants aren’t representative of their source populations, because the very lowest classes don’t migrate, unless there is a short barrier to overcome (as was the case with French Canadians).

        JayMan

        January 1, 2017 at 9:46 am

      • Between 1876 and 1930, out of the 5 million Italian immigrants who came to the United States, 4/5 were from the South but of the southerners approximately 50% (some put the number as high as 73%) returned. Using the lower number, and assuming according to popular narratives that the northerners by and large stayed, this means that remainers from the high period of immigration favor the South by a 2-1 split. However, northern Italian immigrants were coming to the US as early as the 1830s, with years exceeding 1000 immigrants being common (1,699 in 1833). This means there was a long period of near exclusive northern Italian immigration covering a forty plus time span, a time period when birth rates averaged 7 per woman. In other words, in at least twenty of the forty years of northern Italian near exclusive immigration there would be an approx. 700 percent increase per immigrant which brings the earlier northern Italian totals just shy of 50% of peak year totals in the early 20th century. In other words, there were a lot of northern Italians in the US when the southern Italians arrived. Add to this the fact that the northern Italians were higher on the social ladder and may very well have been the more likely candidates to take an early IQ test, renders any reliance on a belief that Italian IQ = southern Italian IQ spurious.

        It is certain that southern Italians are more common in the New York area but northern Italians settled throughout the US, places in the West (NM, CA, WA) and the mid-Atlantic (MD, DC). In these non-NYC regions it is common to meet an Italian whose male immigrant ancestor married either a Slav or a German woman. There is a world outside of NYC.

        Curle

        December 31, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      • Otis –

        Ashkenazi Jews are an almost even mixture of Levantine and European genetic components. The European component is mostly of Southern European origin, but there has been minor East European admixture since the time the Southern European admixture was introduced to the Ashkenazi ancestral population. See the article (full text available) at this link:

        http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/10/063099

        nebbish

        December 31, 2016 at 8:41 pm

      • In other words, there were a lot of northern Italians in the US when the southern Italians arrived. Add to this the fact that the northern Italians were higher on the social ladder and may very well have been the more likely candidates to take an early IQ test, renders any reliance on a belief that Italian IQ = southern Italian IQ spurious.

        Curle suddenly becomes an IQ test denialist!

        Northern Italians would still be a negligible share of the Italian American population once the Southern Italians arrived – at most a few hundred thousand compared to the over 2 million Southern Italians who remained. That’s not nearly enough Northern Italians to make up an IQ deficit among Southern Italians that you’ve provided no hard evidence for.

        Also, the most influential Italian Americans had immigrant parents or grandparents who came during the late 19th to early 20th centuries, very few had Northern Italian heritage from before the Civil War. Most of the descendants of the early Northern Italians by the 1930s would have already been intermarried into the broader white population and wouldn’t have their successes counted with the most recent Italian immigrant wave.

        If the mean IQ of Southern Italians was significantly below 100 then Leftists would have pointed to their early under performance, and then improvement, on IQ tests to show that Hispanic immigrants will also eventually catch up. That they haven’t made this argument (despite there being good records of Great Wave immigrants and their children since the 1920s, and possibly earlier) shows there wasn’t an intelligence gap to begin with.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 1, 2017 at 11:21 am

      • The only source you have for Southern Italians having IQs in the low 90s is Lynn.

        Lynn also made national IQ estimates for two other European nations that were important sources for American immigrants – Ireland and Greece.

        Lynn pegs both of them with IQs of 90. Yet, in their case as with Southern Italians, Irish and Greek immigrants also wound up with educational achievements similar to or better than the white American average.

        That is three examples of immigrant groups in America performing on multiple indicators over many decades as if they have mean IQs of 100, and Lynn claiming their national IQs are in the low 90s.

        Is Lynn also right about Irish and Greeks? If he isn’t right about Irish and Greeks, why are you taking his word as gospel about Southern Italians when his research is plagued with inaccuracies?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 1, 2017 at 11:29 am

      • Lynn’s IQ scores for Italy are accurate.

        He had Italy as a whole at 102.

        I was disputing his score for Southern Italy, which he had in the low 90s.

        The latest IQ score from Lynn for Ireland pegs it at around 95, which is quite believable.

        By the standard’s of IQ testing that’s a big miss from his original estimate of 90. Is Ireland actually 95 or is he just covering his ass for the criticism he got for his original, but he doesn’t want to admit to a more than 5 point mistake on his part?

        If he wasn’t accurate before – and unlike third world nations where record keeping is poor there’s no excuse for not having from the start good numbers for Western Europeans – I’m not inclined to believe him again.

        You’re assuming the ones that came in the first place were close to the Southern Italian average, which is NOT the case

        Greeks, Southern Italians, and Irish were imported to do blue collar work. They were probably a bit smarter than the average back home because America screened out criminals, but not significantly more so. If they were their children should have regressed back to their homeland’s mean, or dragged down the IQ average of the white Americans they intermarried with.

        But ever since they’ve landed their children have scored about on par for other white Americans indicating an IQ of average of 100, maybe high 90s at worst in the homeland, for all three groups.

        The fact of no regression to the mean, no dumbing down of other white American ethnic groups they intermarried with, and no reason to think the original immigrants were much higher in IQ on average means all three have either IQs of 100 or close to it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 1, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    • Armenia is in the Caucusus so he’s inherently Caucasian.

      In the Northeast I’ve never heard anyone question that Armenians or Italians or Greeks were not white. Even in the South I think they’ve always been classified as white when segregation, and, before that, slavery were legal. Only on the altright internet have I seen anyone question their whiteness.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 30, 2016 at 10:54 am

      • In additions, Armenians have very pale skin. Pale skin is surely an indicator of whiteness.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 11:55 am

      • I doubt most of these people have even met any Armenian Americans. They are paler than Italian Americans who, altright rumors to the contrary, also look European. Even the Jim Crow South would have agreed both groups are white.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 12:25 pm

      • Thank G-d he isn’t Jewish!

        Yakov

        December 30, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      • Armenians are white to me, but in Russia they, like all the people from the Caucasus, are called niggers ‘черные’.

        Lion, if Jews aren’t semitic, why do the speak a semitic language?

        Yakov

        December 30, 2016 at 1:33 pm

      • That was the language of that part of the world, and a similar but different language spread to Arabs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 30, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      • Armenians in California have more ethnic consciousness than in other areas and consider themselves to be a distinct group. That’s not necessarily to say that they consider themselves non-white, it’s more of an ethnic than a racial self-identification.
        Orthodox Jews might be a similar case: they regard themselves as a distinctive, non-mainstream group but not as a race.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        December 30, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      • The Persians of Beverley Hills are more ethnic conscious than …ians

        JS

        December 30, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • Ukrainians are no better than Georgians or Armenians, when it comes to class. Everyone in that part of the world are sub-prole to lumprenprole. The same goes for anyone who lives north of Macedonia.

        JS

        December 30, 2016 at 2:34 pm

      • Armenians are white to me, but in Russia they, like all the people from the Caucasus, are called niggers ‘черные’.

        Do Russians tell them apart by looks or cultural indicators such as accents?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 30, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    • My description of Armenians as whitish is based on the evidence; genetic as well as visual. While many Armenians are indistinguishable from other whites there are also many who aren’t. Most people who are less than 30% mixed are visually indistinguishable. Therefore, if a significant minority of a population looks non-white then the population carries a significant amount of non-white ancestry I’ve personally known several and could easily tell most of them weren’t typically white. Which shouldn’t be surprising since genetic distance tends to follow geographic distance.

      As I’ve previously said on this very blog, the genetic distance between european jews and other whites is no greater than between other whites. This is because jewish ancestry is half european and half levantine. With the european half being recent and the levantine half predating the arab invasion which began in the 8th century. Not to mention europeans and levantines were pretty close to start with. Moreover, europeans have 40% near eastern ancestry from the neo-lithic expanion. In other words, jewish and european ancestry both derive from the same populations. It just occurred at two different times and two different places.

      destructure

      December 30, 2016 at 2:47 pm

      • So was Armenian Christy Canyon a top love goddess (pron actress) of the 80s because she was distinguishable or indistinguishable or something in between? Kardashian, another love goddess, is Armenian IIRC. Seems the Armenians do pretty well in the American love goddess market.

        https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Aarc7EetzrvgZeWPISIAywDzEs&pid=15.1

        Curle

        December 30, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      • The test for whiteness is if one can blush. If there is no red in the face then they aren’t white.

        B.T.D.T.

        December 30, 2016 at 4:16 pm

    • If someone is half Armenian and half northwest European, he’s white.

      Stealth

      December 30, 2016 at 6:58 pm

  3. lion is forgetting that serena has created at least $100m in value.

    Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!

    December 30, 2016 at 1:57 am

    • And she has a self-actualizing career that can’t be automated by robots to boot!

      Hermes

      December 30, 2016 at 12:04 pm

  4. andreaostrovletania

    December 30, 2016 at 3:19 am

  5. Nerds (cerebromorphs) are nice sensitive and often well-off guys with very long penises, or so women tell me.

    Robert

    December 30, 2016 at 3:21 am

  6. An unlikely couple.

    JW Bell

    December 30, 2016 at 3:25 am

  7. Links, photos.

    IHTG

    December 30, 2016 at 3:31 am

  8. Well, Mick Jagger did say “XXX girls just wanna get f**ked all night.” Add steroids to the mix and you’ve got to wonder how long Mr. Reddit’s health will hold out.

    Curle

    December 30, 2016 at 5:02 am

  9. Lion I thought you had solid pro-80’s music tastes. I know those girls in Hey Violet look hot because they are young and cute, but it is depressing when women in their 20’s wear that awful heavy makeup and ugly clothing when they dress up.

    That song was pretty bad too.

    I feel bad I missed this era, the Bangles looked and sounded better than any recent attempt at girl rock:

    This might have been the last great rock hit ever released by talented and hot women

    (1993 – Cannonball – The Breeders)

    Kim Deal with minimal makeup, a short sleeve white dress shirt, and a very simple and conservative gold necklace was a sex goddess. She also had the brains to hire an unknown Spike Jonze to do their music video. He had never done a hit music video before, but after this one became the best.

    The following year he did two of the best and most memorable music videos ever, Buddy Holly by Weezer and Sabotage by the Beastie Boys.

    Togo

    December 30, 2016 at 5:06 am

    • Well yeah, the Bangles are pretty good, and they have great eighties hair.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2016 at 8:03 am

    • You didn’t even use Susannah Hoff’s best pic. Try the vid from “If she knew what she wants.” Really hot there.

      Marty

      December 30, 2016 at 10:26 am

    • Kim Deal sealed the deal, so to speak, when she was with the Pixies and sang Gigantic. The sound imagery of her pixieish voice, a song about a girl heading into a shady place with a boy followed by the urgency of the chorus ‘gigantic’ was pure gold.

      Curle

      December 30, 2016 at 11:30 am

    • From the era when non-homos were (semi-covertly) called ‘breeders’.

      Glengarry

      December 30, 2016 at 11:52 am

    • “This might have been the last great rock hit ever released by talented and hot women.”

      Suggest you look up Sleater-Kinney. OK, they don’t make the hot list, but great rock, yes.

      And if you want hot and talented, look up Jenny Lewis.

      peterike

      December 30, 2016 at 2:48 pm

      • And I suggest you look up Joan Jett!

        E. Rekshun

        December 30, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      • Sleater-Kinney? Please. Homo femininist band.

        Full throttle homo band

        December 30, 2016 at 9:05 pm

      • Prime Jenny Lewis: 5/10. Would not bang.

        Prime Joan Jett: 7.5/10.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 30, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    • I wouldn’t call the Deal twins “hot” exactly – they had that breathy-voice thing that was kind of sexy for a while, and were moderately attractive in an alt-chick way. Kim hasn’t aged well since the 80s/90s – gained a lot of weight, and her heavy smoking has taken its toll on her face. But she seems pretty cool – I saw a Breeders show maybe 10 years after their heyday and she hung around at the front of the stage afterward, chain smoking and doing a meet ‘n greet with any fans who wanted to say hi, shake hands, etc.

      L7 was another pretty good all-women band from the same time period, though they were all rather plain-looking (except for a couple of their bass players from the mid-90s).

      Alex

      December 30, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  10. My best guess is she wants a family and figures with an entertainer or athletic figure he’ll be fooling around on the side.

    SFG

    December 30, 2016 at 8:22 am

    • Your best guess, SFG, is correct. She wants to be (I hope) a Proverbs 23 Wife (the best thing that happened to her was not being born a future tennis star but being born in a Judeo-Christian world). Even the uber-ambitious Patty Smith realized, one day, that all she needed to be happy in life was a partner in life who loved her. Anyone who mocks a man who simply wants to spend the rest of his life with a woman who loves him, or who mocks a woman who simply wants to spend the rest of her life with a man who loves her, needs to stop for a moment and think: we all should want each other to be happy.

      howitzer daniel

      December 31, 2016 at 12:19 am

  11. You missed your chance, Lion. Serena has dated more than a few Jewish guys, too. A few years back she talked about being on JDate:

    http://cowbell.typepad.com/forty_deuce/2009/05/serenas-on-jdate-yall-.html

    Camlost

    December 30, 2016 at 8:31 am

  12. A Reddit co founder isn’t just a simple nerd.

    Mike Street Station

    December 30, 2016 at 9:53 am

  13. The photos of living people on their Wikipedia pages will always be free to use, sometimes requiring attribution.

    snorlax

    December 30, 2016 at 10:12 am

  14. She was fucking Brett Ratner for a while (Hollywood hack director of Xmen 3: the last stand). I think she just likes rich Jews.

    ———–

    All of that a Testosterone in Serena (from Steroids or even just from her muscles) probably makes her horny all of the time but unable to have children.

    Serena’s 35, she may be unable to have children if she doesn’t quit and start soon.

    Rotten

    December 30, 2016 at 10:14 am

    • Oh no

      Glengarry

      December 30, 2016 at 11:52 am

  15. There is a fair amount of upset over this on Black Twitter, and most of it from black men. The women seem more ok with it, and why wouldn’t they? Serena is living the dream.

    peterike

    December 30, 2016 at 10:38 am

    • Darke is part Canadian Jewish.

      JS

      December 30, 2016 at 12:42 pm

  16. It’s still thirst to make a lifetime commitment to a girl before she’s second-trimester pregnant.

    The only reason for an easily bored intelligent guy to stick with Mrs. Same for every remaining day of his life is to provide his kids a functional, stable home. No need to marry until you are certain there are no fertility problems.

    It’s the 50th-percentile IQ guys who should marry before kids are in the picture, because they need the bourgeois structure.

    Fiddlesticks

    December 30, 2016 at 10:46 am

  17. I condemn their relationship, but to me, his appearance does not suggest nerdishness at all.

    S.J.

    December 30, 2016 at 11:51 am

    • He looks classic beta to me.

      Richard

      December 30, 2016 at 1:34 pm

  18. well, she’s definitely strong enough to carry him across the threshold

    Brendan

    December 30, 2016 at 12:39 pm

  19. A thick-muscular, black woman like her doesn’t have many options in the mating world, if she’s looking outside of the ghetto.

    JS

    December 30, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    • Except Serena Williams has been with a number of rich and powerful men, so there must be some exceptions.

      GondwanaMan

      December 30, 2016 at 4:30 pm

      • A screw and commitment are not the same.

        Kingsley Davis

        January 7, 2017 at 10:30 am

  20. They’re both gonna be regretin’ this. . .

    It goes to show, people with a high capacity to achieve are really good/specialized in just one area. They have very little breadth of knowledge and wisdom and are superficial at best in all other areas.

    Meanwhile, those with great breadth of knowledge (not specialization) usually don’t achieve much and have to be dictated to by the superficial high achievers.

    fakeemail

    December 30, 2016 at 12:54 pm

  21. I’m a bit surprised that Serena Williams is getting married at all. I wouldn’t think a man would be attracted to her. She looks almost like a man herself.

    Rosenmops

    December 30, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    • Don’t be mean. It’s nice that she’s marrying a nerdy white guy and not some roided-up black gangsta with tattoos.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      • Right. I don’t like all this negativity. It’s deplorable. (BTW have you heard about the Deploraball fight? It’s a hoot!). I wish Serena well. Two high net worth individuals.

        I think it will be more successful than Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher. Bitter black men can suck it. Mazel tov, Serena!

        gothamette

        December 30, 2016 at 7:04 pm

      • At least with her genes, if they have a boy it will probably be less beta than the father. If they have a girl, well that’s up in the air.

        Full throttle homo band

        December 30, 2016 at 9:09 pm

      • Serena, seriously, looks a little enhanced herself.

        Stealth

        December 30, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    • And thus, her only option are nerds (rather big pool, though). There are very few black nerds, if any …

      krakonos

      December 30, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    • Serena Williams is plenty attractive – yeah, bigger muscles than most women, but also big boobs, big butt, good waist/hip ratio, and prettier than most black women. Totally would if the opportunity came up.

      Alex

      December 30, 2016 at 5:40 pm

  22. Serena has a pretty face but an extremely masculine body. Keep in mind some guys go for masculine bodies. Wrestler Triple H once had an affair with steroid using female wrestler Chyna.

    Trump tweeted praising Putin for not expelling American diplomats immediately. Putin is saying he is going to wait until Trump is President before he reacts. On NeoGaf they think that Trump has walked into a trap set up by Obama that is finally going to take Trump down. They think this because they are retards who think that the American public gives a rat’s ass about Russia.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 30, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    • The average American loves Russia just fine.

      It’s the US/Euro extreme Left that can’t forgive Russia for listening to the Libertarians and wisely ditching the commies, or for that matter China for going commie-soft.

      Robert

      December 31, 2016 at 12:58 am

  23. The 2016 American left really fucking hates Russia. On Dkos and NeoGaf they all sound like a bunch of patriotard Cold Warriors.

    I consider myself a patriotic American, but if there was ever a war between Putin’s Russia and Obama’s America, I would side with Russia and do everything in my power to ensure Russia triumphed. I believe that the overwhelming majority of white America would do the same.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 30, 2016 at 3:35 pm

  24. NeoGaf post: “t what point does the GOP Congress and Obama just coalition and arrest Trump before he even takes office? Pence will be president, but at least its not a sock-puppet.”

    Left wing idiots still don’t realize that moving against Trump would cause civil war. A war that they would certainly lose. I really thought the left had a better grasp on reality than they actually do.

    Otis the Sweaty

    December 30, 2016 at 3:43 pm

  25. Lion, could we have a poll? How many posters here have been beaten up by a black thing? I first got the polar treatment in 1987.

    Explainer21

    December 30, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • I was never beaten up by a black.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm

      • Incidentally, I had to go to Sailed’s to learn that the new hubby is 6’5″.

        Explainer21

        December 30, 2016 at 4:27 pm

      • I have never been beaten up by any one. Never even imagined such a thing. I went to school in 1960’s and early 70’s in British Columbia . Everyone was white . Wait…there was one Chinese girl in my high school. 1 out of 2000 students. We survived and prospered in our non-diverse, non-vibrant society. Nobody ever thought about race. It just wasn’t an issue. We scarcely knew other races existed.

        Vancouver is very, very different these days.

        Rosenmops

        December 30, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    • When I was 6 or 7, this old colored drunk would throw rocks at me if I crossed his path. Never hit me but once he chased me into this 3 story brownstone apartment building and cornered me, but he realized he was getting too far and got out quick.

      2 Minute Alpha

      December 30, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    • I’ve been bullied by whites, so it’s not a one-way street!

      Granted, it wasn’t physical.

      GondwanaMan

      December 30, 2016 at 4:29 pm

      • were they proles? Most whites won’t fuck with a black guy. Even prole whites.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 30, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    • I was jumped by two puerto ricans in my early teens.

      E. Rekshun

      December 30, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      • Puerto Ricans no longer have a violent reputation like blacks. I would be more concerned with Guidos-IA proles than Puerto Ricans in terms of propensity for violence.

        JS

        December 31, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    • I narrowly avoided being beaten up once, but since it was the result of an argument, I don’t know if that really counts. I was threatened with being stabbed once, though, for not giving my bike to a few black kids who wanted it. They backed off.

      Stealth

      December 30, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    • “beaten up by a black thing”

      Explain this explainer? Sounds pretty gay.

      Full throttle homo band

      December 30, 2016 at 9:12 pm

  26. As a black man, I would fuck Serena Williams sweet chocolateness, and I’m not ashamed to say that.

    Come at me if you want a fight!

    GondwanaMan

    December 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    • There are jillions of black women I’d rather have sex with than either of the Williams sisters.

      Stealth

      December 30, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    • I’m kinda black. I’d hit it.

      Full throttle homo band

      December 30, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    • What do you like better, black women or white women?

      Ludacris has a song where he mentions that African women are the best looking in the world. I thought it was just a shout out to the motherland but it seems like most black guys really do prefer black women to non black women.

      There are plenty of black women that I can recognize are objectively attractive: The Williams sisters, Michelle Obama and the younger Obama daughter for example, but I’m not actually attracted to them. The black women that I am attracted to like Ray Rice’s gold digging hoodrat wife, Ashanti and Maya all obviously have massive white admixture.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 30, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      • There are plenty of attractive black women, but Venus and Serena are not among them.

        Stealth

        December 30, 2016 at 11:08 pm

      • I understand the distaste of white Americans for the Williams Sisters and Ms. Obama, because their facial features and broad shoulders are much more masculine than the typical white woman’s, but I still think they are attractive. Although in general, I enjoy Puerto Rican and Ethiopian women even more than African American women.

        GondwanaMan

        December 31, 2016 at 2:03 am

  27. I despise discussions of who’s white and who’s not.

    Stealth

    December 30, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    • What else are we supposed to talk about, who’s prole?

      Full throttle homo band

      December 30, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      • Maybe it’s just because I don’t like the term “white.” I would rather be called European or Euro-American.

        Stealth

        December 30, 2016 at 11:09 pm

  28. The SJWs at The New Yorker sentimentalize miscegenation on the latest cover. The black guy appears to be sharpening his lock-picking skills.

    Mark Caplan

    December 30, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    • The girl looks Asian. I do see some hipster Asian/black couples. No he’s not picking the lock. There’s a pat of the Brooklyn Bridge where people for some reason place locks.

      Forget SJWs, look at the mainstream print ads. I saw an ad today for (I think) Morgan Stanley. It showed an uber respectable white family with the handsome patriarch and distinguished matriarch sitting in the middle, all silver hair, etc. Then the family is gathered around them: grown children and grand children. On the right is the black-daughter in law, pregnant with her 3rd kid, and her two other kids in with the white kids, everybody smiling broadly. Perhaps this is the Obama effect. We did have a mulatto President for 8 years.

      But I think that this will be with us for a while, especially since the snotfaced left is in open revolt against Trump. Look at how they are taking aim at his inauguration. They will do anything to destroy his presidency.

      gothamette

      December 30, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    • What the cover art depicts is the practice of attaching padlocks to the Brooklyn Bridge. It began in France, as a way for couples to express their love, and later spread to New York. As far as I know only the Brooklyn Bridge is involved.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      December 31, 2016 at 12:11 am

    • Poignant. Bridge built by whites, but no whites around anymore.

      Glengarry

      December 31, 2016 at 5:54 am

    • Exhibit A of libsofts’ pathological craving to have blacks act and dress as they do. They can’t accept black behavior at face value and condescendingly libsplain that blacks would engage in the same pastimes and behaviors as whites, in the same proportions, if it weren’t for EVIL SPIRITS, I mean “systemic racism.”

      Libsoft to black man: “You don’t really like obstructing the sidewalk in groups, and yelling. You’d rather be birdwatching! But SYSTEMIC RACISM keeps you from doing that!”

      Fiddlesticks

      December 31, 2016 at 11:25 am

    • By the way, I bean-counted the New Yorker’s masthead.
      http://www.newyorker.com/contributors/

      145 total contributors
      White: 126 (86.9%)
      Black: 8 (5.5%)
      Asian: 8 (5.5%)
      Hispanic: 3 (2.1%)

      I’m being reaaaally generous with the already pathetic Hispanic count (New York City’s population is 29% Hispanic) – it includes Francisco Goldman, whose father is American, and Ana Juan, who is from Spain. Libsofts clearly have no faith in the “power of diversity” and are terrified of applying their favored policies to their own enclaves.

      Fiddlesticks

      December 31, 2016 at 12:12 pm

  29. White is not equal to caucasian. We now know native Americans (except the late arriving Eskimos) are a Turkic people, so even they are caucasian.

    CamelCaseRob

    December 30, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    • I’ve read speculation to the effect that NAs have some European admixture, but last I read on the subject their closest genomic relations in the old world were the Kalash. Kalash, are an Indo-Aryan Dardic indigenous people residing in the Chitral District of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. They speak the Kalasha language, from the Dardic family of the Indo-Aryan branch.

      http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297(15)00137-8?cc=y=

      Curle

      December 30, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    • I read somewhere Geo. Washington viewed AmeriIndians and Chinese/Japanese as White.

      Robert

      December 31, 2016 at 1:09 am

  30. Absconding?

    rivelino

    December 30, 2016 at 9:44 pm

  31. rivelino

    December 30, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    • He’s not “feminine,” he a normal non-tattooed non-roided-up man. Nerdy isn’t the same thing as feminine.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      • Agreed–he’s a nerdy 6’5″ and could probably take out the lot of ya’.

        BTW, how White is Williams?

        Robert

        December 31, 2016 at 1:11 am

      • He looks a little bit like a taller version of Lion himself.

        GondwanaMan

        December 31, 2016 at 2:05 am

      • He looks feminine to me

        Deal with it!

        December 31, 2016 at 10:51 am

      • lion, that is a feminine, beta smile on his face.

        rivelino

        January 1, 2017 at 8:00 am

  32. Black women are not as beautiful in the classic sense but have more raw, animal sexuality due to higher t levels. I’ll bet Serena is way more aggressive in bed than the average white girl. I could enjoy that for a night, but not for a lifetime.

    B.T.D.T.

    December 31, 2016 at 9:11 am

    • And with her muscles, she can do stuff in bed that a skinny white girl can’t. (A Hispanic-Asian friend of mine said something like that once.)

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 31, 2016 at 9:53 am

  33. Armenians have an extremely broad range of looks. You can have basically white looking guys like Serena’s soon to be hubby and then you can have people like Kim Kardashian who looks like Osama Bin Laden’s swarthier niece. And then even with her sisters the one looks like a Sasquatch while the other looks borderline white. My favorite Armenian is that chick from Westworld with the sweet boobs and exotic eyes.

    I’m not surprised Serena married a white guy. She’s been completely immersed in a culture that is 99.9% white since she was a tiny girl. Her best friend on tour is a blonde Danish girl. Serena probably has less contact with black people (other than her own family) than Lion.

    PerezHBD

    December 31, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    • A lot of Armenians look like Ashkenazim. The late Robert Kardashian could pass as Jewish.

      JS

      January 1, 2017 at 12:38 am

      • You mean he could pass as a Sephardic Jew. No one in my Ashkenazi family is that dark.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 1, 2017 at 1:44 am

      • He isn’t swarthy, perhaps his hair isn’t brown enough.

        JS

        January 1, 2017 at 2:03 am

      • And Robert Shapiro — the other lawyer for OJ Simpson is Jewish (that’s a no brainer, because of his last name) and he appeared darker than Rob Kardashian.

        JS

        January 1, 2017 at 2:13 am

      • While watching the 30 on 30 OJ Simpson doc earlier this year, I remember thinking Rob Kardashian and Bob Shapiro could be related.

        GondwanaMan

        January 1, 2017 at 9:31 am


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