Lion of the Blogosphere

“Intelligence” report is bogus, in my opinion

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Link to declassified government report.

Basically it boils down to:

1. We know that Russians have a lot of propaganda, and the Russian propaganda favored Trump.
2. We know that Russians are involved in a lot of cyber-espionage.

Therefore the Russians did it!

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And what about the fact that the mainstream media was acting as HRC’s propaganda wing, and that the power of Russian propaganda was tiny compared to the power of domestic mainstream media propaganda?

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The majority of the government report is about how Russia Today has a pro-Russian-government spin. Duh! If they have to devote such a large part of the report to something everyone already knew, then it’s an indication they are trying to bulk it up with a huge bun to obscure that there’s so little beef in there.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 6, 2017 at 5:29 pm

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  1. You sound stupid. They did it. Espionage isn’t new. Infowars thinks the Sandy Hool massacre is fake. Stop listening to them.

    A Reader

    January 6, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    • The Evidence is clear – the Russians did it!

      Now on to WW3

      Rifleman

      January 6, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    • You ought to read the report for yourself. It is embarrassing.

      There is literally *nothing* presented as evidence. They’d like to have the press report that they cant reveal their methods, but in this case its a complete sham! All they did was say “we assess with high confidence that Putin didnt like Hillary, therefor Russia is behind the hacking”. By that logic HS is behind the hacking and so am I.

      Here is one excerpt from their “proof”:
      “RT’s coverage of Secretary Clinton throughout the US presidential campaign was consistently negative
      and focused on her leaked emails and accused her of corruption, poor physical and mental health, and
      ties to Islamic extremism.

      Except for the part about the Islamic extremism thats the damn news! Unless you actively suppress stories now you are automatically guilty of hacking!?

      The report is an embarrassment. And whats worse is they wait to the last minute to brief Trump and then release it- how is that not basely political?

      Someone needs to clear house on all these idiots.

      Lion of the Turambar

      January 6, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      • David Stockman said the same thing – the report is garbage.

        I didn’t read it. I trust David Stockman – and Lion.

        Or perhaps David Stockman and Lion are one and the same.

        gothamette

        January 6, 2017 at 9:09 pm

      • I wish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 6, 2017 at 10:39 pm

      • When your key findings are all “analysis” and not data or evidence driven, it’s a big tell.

        Mike Street Station

        January 7, 2017 at 7:02 am

      • OK, I downloaded the report and I’ll try to read it, but it begins with this:

        “Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order,” (p. 7)

        Hm. If we didn’t know about the so-called interference (even if it occurred) then how could their hacking undermine the ‘liberal democratic order”? They don’t claim that the Russians directly hacked voting machines. Are they saying that somehow the Russian interference (even if it occurred) contaminated the information pool?

        Moreover, on page 6, they write, “We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election.”

        Does anyone else think that these two statements directly conflict?

        gothamette

        January 7, 2017 at 9:00 pm

      • Everyone ought to read the released report- it gives great insight to the Fake News of Russian hacking.

        Half of it is complaints about rt.com. Irrelevant since no one thinks they are involved in any hacking. The remainder is in fact 0 evidence.

        Tellingly the report doesnt even use the term “hack” (even though it does use the colloquialism “troll”) in reference to any of these events. The Times breathlessly reports on Russian hacking when the report doesnt even support “hacking”. There is a lot of spinning going on.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        January 8, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      • “Half of it is complaints about rt.com”

        So shocking that a government-owned news agency pro-government that owns it. Who knew?

        On the other hand, they can provide more honest reporting about the U.S. because the mainstream U.S. media is a propaganda machine for the liberal establishment.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 8, 2017 at 1:36 pm

  2. Another terrorist attack. This plus the BLM kidnapping is great for our agenda.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 6, 2017 at 6:05 pm

  3. It’s a review of Russia Today. They could have taken every public or n°1 info channel of any country that speaks in english too and say they spread news in favour of their own interest. Less than 0. Trump could be even more adamant …. except if the real beef isn’t in this report. Anyway, even if the russian, had interfered massively, that’s absolutely normal practice since ever and everywhere.

    Bruno from Paris

    January 6, 2017 at 6:12 pm

  4. This is an embarrassingly amateur report. There’s much higher quality analysis on Wikipedia.

    PoorGradStudent

    January 6, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    • Yeah I expected there would be at least ONE new, pertinent thing but so far, I’ve not heard it. I’m sure they will say it’s all in the classified version.

      Mike Street Station

      January 6, 2017 at 6:44 pm

      • And…Morell on Face the Nation today…sorry the real evidence is all in the classified version! Called it.

        Mike Street Station

        January 8, 2017 at 11:05 am

  5. I think Seth Rich’s death was a hit.

    gothamette

    January 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm

  6. There was another mass shooting today.

    There has been a record number of mass shootings during Obama’s 2nd administration. No one has ever blamed this on Obama. When a Republican is president, they blame the violence on the president.

    Just sayin’.

    gothamette

    January 6, 2017 at 6:23 pm

  7. This is all you need to know about the alleged hacking.

    destructure

    January 6, 2017 at 7:18 pm

  8. This could be the downfall of the establishment: a two front war. McCain, Lindsey, Clinton and team E have been at war with the People, now they declare war on Putin. An icy Arctic chill sweeps the nation.
    Obama orders no retreat and plans to blow the bridges until he realizes he never repaired the bridges in the first place.

    KnoMad

    January 7, 2017 at 3:39 am

  9. This is the declassified version of the report which does not include any details. I do not completely understand why they removed all that part from the declassified version.

    I heard interviews with private security contractors that said that the basic techniques, phishing emails and fake web sites, are widely used by hackers, but the malware that the hackers deposited onto the DNC computers with those techniques are sophisticated tool developed by the Russian Intelligence services. Those particular tools have previously only been used in Russian government directed hacking. I believe this is what is the strongest indication that the hacking was sponsored by the Russian government.

    The declassified report says the Russian Intelligence used Guccifer 2.0, who claims to be a Romanian hacker, to pass the information to Wikileaks. The report suggests that Guccifer 2.0 may not be an actual person. Details of how they know any of this is not in the declassified version.

    Whether Guccifer 2.0 is the Wikileaks source or not, someone using that identify did leak DNC documents to other journalists. It was reported that during an online chat with journalists Guccifer 2.0 was asked to use the Romanian language. The Romanian he use in chat was grammatically poor and used words incorrectly, leading journalists to believe he was using an online translation program. Some of the emails from Guccifier 2.0 to journalists indicate that they were sent using a Russian language only VPN while Guccifier 2.0 has claimed not to be able to speak or read Russian.

    I think independent of this report there is already enough evidence publicly available to make it plausible that Russia was the source of the hack. Certainly enough evidence to justify a Congressional investigation.

    mikeca

    January 7, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    • I don’t buy any of these arguments about special “tools.” Computers are machines, no different from combustion engines, and they more or less follow the same principles of design. Worse, there are basically three different standardized operating systems running on every computer on the planet so they are all susceptible to the same vulnerabilities, plus, hacker tools are pretty open source nowadays.

      There is no “signature” Russian tool. What, is this tool have someone’s embedded name in hex characters somewhere in the comment lines? C’mon.

      map

      January 8, 2017 at 3:12 am

    • “… but the malware that the hackers deposited onto the DNC computers with those techniques are sophisticated tool developed by the Russian Intelligence services. Those particular tools have previously only been used in Russian government directed hacking. I believe this is what is the strongest indication that the hacking was sponsored by the Russian government.”

      Then that’s a problem since it turns out that neither the FBI, NSA, or Cyber Command ever did a forensic analysis of the servers.

      Mike Street Station

      January 8, 2017 at 11:08 am

    • “The declassified report says the Russian Intelligence used Guccifer 2.0, who claims to be a Romanian hacker, to pass the information to Wikileaks.”

      Assange and Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador actually met the source and say it was a DNC leaker, not an anonymous hacker.

      Interesting that no US news organization has interviewed Murray.

      Mike Street Station

      January 8, 2017 at 11:11 am

    • I think independent of this report there is already enough evidence publicly available to make it plausible that Russia was the source of the hack. Certainly enough evidence to justify a Congressional investigation.

      Nothing you mentioned is evidence of Russian hacking.

      Given the Obama administration’s incompetence the evidence about hacking tools and malware may not exist in the unreleased report either. It probably doesn’t exist because they would have included their best evidence in the report with the administration having only a few days left until Trump takes over.

      If they do they aren’t necessarily tools that would be unique to Russian intelligence. Freelance hackers will share code snippets that may resemble or actually come from code used by intel agencies.

      You admitted Guccifer 2.0 may not be the Wikileaks source. The use of a Russian language VPN is not an indication of anything because individuals working on their own can access publicly available VPNs hosted in Russia.

      The Russian government does not use publicly available VPNs. They like all other intelligence agencies use secure channels available only on their government intranet.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 8, 2017 at 11:44 am

    • If all of you are so sure that there is no evidence of Russian hacking or attempts to interfere in the elections, then why not have a Congressional investigation that shows that there is no evidence.

      The sort of interference by a foreign government that is being suggested in the USA elections is a serious matter. Democrats are mostly not pushing this issue because they don’t want to look like sore losers, but this is an issue that is not going to go away unless there is an investigation.

      mikeca

      January 8, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      • If all of you are so sure that there is no evidence of Russian hacking or attempts to interfere in the elections, then why not have a Congressional investigation that shows that there is no evidence.

        In two weeks I will tell you on my blog why there should be no investigation, and if the Trump administration follows anything close to what my explanation will be you will wish you had never been born.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 8, 2017 at 11:24 pm

      • Wasn’t the congressional investigation of Benghazi a “partisan witch hunt?”

        Nobody died, and we’re #DTS, so no more partisan witch hunts. 🙂

        snorlaxwp

        January 9, 2017 at 1:59 am

      • It is obvious that Trump and all his followers are afraid what a real investigation might reveal. They don’t want the Russian interference in the US election to taint legitimacy of their hero.

        In two weeks I will tell you on my blog why there should be no investigation, and if the Trump administration follows anything close to what my explanation will be you will wish you had never been born.

        LOL.

        And in two weeks I will tell you all about Trump’s secret plan to sell Alaska back to Russia in return for cheap oil.

        mikeca

        January 9, 2017 at 10:29 am

      • There was no Russian interference in the election, no more than there was interference by the multitude of world leaders who said negative things about Trump. There has always been Russian propaganda, since before I was born.

        There’s no proof that Russia gave the emails to WikiLeaks. Julian Assange said it wasn’t the Russians. And yes, I do believe him more than I believe our own government which is controlled by Obama who obviously hates Trump and wants to sabotage his presidency before it starts.

        As far as cyber-espionage goes, the Chinese and Russians are spying on us and we’re spying on them. If they’re doing a better job at it than we are, well it’s Obama who has been running the government for the last eight years.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:34 am

      • And in two weeks I will tell you all about Trump’s secret plan to sell Alaska back to Russia in return for cheap oil.

        That sounds like it will be a more creative fiction than this lightweight intel Report about Russian hacking which was mainly based on Russia Today’s twitter feed.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 5:10 pm

  10. Lion,

    This is something interesting that has been making the rounds:

    http://phys.org/news/2017-01-social-instability-lies.html

    What’s most interesting is his theory of elite overproduction. “A large class of disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access to elite positions.”

    I think that much of the alt-right can be explained this way, as disgruntled elite-wannabes. Think Richard Spencer. I do think Turchin underestimates the importance of proles in this. True, most instability doesn’t come from proles. They are happy with a wage, entertainment, family and religion. But proles no longer have any of that, except the entertainment. So you have elite overproduction, resulting in Richard Spencer (& Heartiste) types, and a mass of disgruntled proles. This is a recipe for chaos.

    gothamette

    January 7, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    • I think there is a simpler explanation here: a major political party (the Democrats) decided to point a gun at at least half of the population, pulled the trigger, and then discovered that the gun was unloaded. Now the other side has that gun…and is proceeding to load the magazine.

      A Theory of Envy and a Polemic on Despair are powerful tools, but the better interpretation is that a large fraction of the population woke up to a looming threat.

      It really is that simple.

      map

      January 8, 2017 at 3:21 am

    • You should have a blog. You bring up a lot of off topic, yet interesting points.

      Mike Street Station

      January 8, 2017 at 11:12 am

      • Thank u so much Mike. I’m in the middle of another project & can’t blog. I prefer to squat on Lion’s palace, with his gracious permission.

        @Lion-

        Your commenters really appreciate all you do!

        gothamette

        January 8, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    • So you have elite overproduction, resulting in Richard Spencer (& Heartiste) types, and a mass of disgruntled proles.

      Spencer would never be part of an elite.

      In a less chaotic political era he would at most be another cog in the governmental machinery.

      What’s most interesting is his theory of elite overproduction. “A large class of disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access to elite positions.”

      I would put it that the overproduction of degrees led to the disappointment of a large number of mediocre college graduates when they discovered that having a degree was not enough to catapult them to high society.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 8, 2017 at 11:57 am

      • Even a well above average college student with prole parents often finds that good careers are denied them.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 8, 2017 at 1:34 pm

      • Even a well above average college student with prole parents often finds that good careers are denied them.

        But they usually aren’t as hungry for status as students with SWPL parents.

        Prole children are usually happy to get a middle class salary out of attending StateU.

        Those from SWPL backgrounds at posh private schools have dreams about immediately working under the Secretary of State, landing a tenured job as an Ivy League professor, working at the UN, or some other value-signalling position. The truth is there are even fewer of those positions available than there are middle class jobs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 8, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      • value-signalling position

        that should be status-signalling

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 8, 2017 at 3:12 pm

      • Re: Spencer, fair enough.

        I do think Turchin is on to something WRT elite overproduction.

        gothamette

        January 8, 2017 at 4:26 pm

      • On 2nd thought, whether RS would have been part of the elite isn’t really the point. (I think you’re right – no one forced him to drop out of his Ph.D. program.) The point is, he and his followers think they are an elite that’s been unfairly usurped, and they are resentful.

        Turchin’s theory works for me.

        gothamette

        January 8, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      • In reality, many “SWPL” types aren’t pursuing those things. Wall St, BIGLAW and consultancy are what drives them. We’re talking about the upper middle class.

        The UN — I know a few Euro women who were born and bred in the Old World working in the UN as foreign language interpreters. There isn’t anything prestigious about them to an Ivy League Educated-SWPL type.

        JS

        January 8, 2017 at 6:02 pm

      • On 2nd thought,

        You’re not escaping that easily.

        The point is, he and his followers think they are an elite that’s been unfairly usurped, and they are resentful.

        There have always been egotistical mediocrities who have thought would be elite if they weren’t denied their role unfairly.

        The question is whether Spencer’s followers would be an elite, regardless of their self-importance, in a normal historical period.

        The answer is a clear ‘No’.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 8, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    • Now the other side has that gun…and is proceeding to load the magazine.

      Too bad for the altright it’s as guilty of shooting blanks as the left.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 8, 2017 at 12:01 pm

  11. The main problem is not who did the hacking. Rather, that publicly blaming Russia comes across as weakness, stupidity, whining and sore losers needing a scapegoat. Because they cannot admit that they were stupid enough to lose to the bumbling buffoon Trump. Whoever did the hacking did not hack voting machines or faked any scandals but simply leaked *genuine* emails. So the first point is that the democrats suck at internet security to allow such a leak. The second is that the hacks/leaks only added transparency, they did not make up anything. If you suck and suck at keeping this sucking secret, you suck twice and it is in public interest that it becomes obvious. so the voters can decide not to vote for idiots.

    Finally, it shows the Democrats and the US in a very bad light because such hacks/leaks is just par for the course as stuff foreign powers try and you have security and intelligence services to avoid it and/or fight back (and of course the US is doing similar things, usually far more blatantly, like engineering regime change in the Ukraine etc.). So you keep quiet about it and try to improve your security instead of public whining (showing weakness).
    And then they make it even worse by giving Putin a very cheap opportunity to show “maganimity”. It really is a failure at almost all levels and the best one could do was to forget about it ASAP instead of keeing it in the news for weeks.

    parrhesia

    January 8, 2017 at 5:27 am


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