Lion of the Blogosphere

Monday morning reading

Sorry I haven’t made a new post in two days. Writer’s block?

You may want to read these interesting articles from this weekend:

Reasonably fair and balanced article about Jeff Sessions in the NY Times (when mostly the NY Times runs blatant anti-Trump propaganda).

Article about Jared Kushner in New York Magazine, also reasonably fair and balanced.

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And it was very cold this weekend. And snowy. Of course one weekend of weather has nothing to do with the overall climate, but you can be sure that if we had a very warm weekend, there’d be an article in the mainstream media about global warming.

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And here’s something I posted in a comment responding to something about Putin and hacking:

There was no Russian interference in the election, no more than there was interference by the multitude of world leaders who said negative things about Trump. There has always been Russian propaganda, since before I was born.

There’s no proof that Russia gave the emails to WikiLeaks. Julian Assange said it wasn’t the Russians. And yes, I do believe him more than I believe our own government which is controlled by Obama who obviously hates Trump and wants to sabotage his presidency before it starts.

As far as cyber-espionage goes, the Chinese and Russians are spying on us and we’re spying on them. If they’re doing a better job at it than we are, well it’s Obama who has been running the government for the last eight years.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 9, 2017 at 10:28 am

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  1. OT- courtesy of Ramzpaul, meet your new Miss Helsinki 2017. Also, contestants from an earlier year – see any common theme?

    Camlost

    January 9, 2017 at 10:31 am

    • Much of the Western World isn’t a Brazil yet. I would expect no.5 and no.10 counting from the left to be winners, if we like race mixing so much.

      JS

      January 9, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      • They still have a black girl in Finland.

        ttgy

        January 9, 2017 at 6:22 pm

  2. Here is a topic. Is there any reason why the GOP *wouldnt* do this?
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sunday-reflection-repeal-the-hollywood-tax-cuts/article/2503964

    Lion o' the Turambar

    January 9, 2017 at 10:39 am

    • Sure. But better, if you must choose, to ruthlessly pursue pedo charges against Hollywood and take away their cultural authority and not just their economic monopoly.

      Andrew E.

      January 9, 2017 at 11:20 am

      • Finally. A comment from a tactician.

        Curle

        January 9, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    • Trump should look at taking away tax privileges for public universities and tax privileges for endowments from all universities. That would also strike at the heart of the institutional left.

      Andrew E.

      January 9, 2017 at 12:48 pm

    • The author of the article is wrong; people with mortgages on houses worth over $250,000 are most assuredly not a Democrat-voting group. I’d estimate that’s a group that votes at least 2-1 Republican.

      snorlaxwp

      January 9, 2017 at 7:44 pm

      • In the PAST, that was a solid Republican voting group, but every presidential election more of the rich vote Democratic, and in this most recent election that group voted for HRC more than Trump.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:29 pm

      • Also (hoping my previous reply wasn’t eaten), a $250k house is well within the range of the middle class. You’d need to set the cutoff significantly higher to predominantly affect “the rich.”

        snorlaxwp

        January 10, 2017 at 1:56 am

      • Looks like my previous reply did disappear into the aether, so here it is again:

        You’re confusing this group for the rich in general.

        Housing-wise, you can basically separate the rich into three categories:

        1. Homeowners with mortgages. (This is the group we’re discussing).
        2. Renters and other non-homeowners.
        3. Homeowners who own their property outright, no mortgage.

        It’s not perfect, but #1 is a pretty good proxy for rich proles – mostly blue-collarish small business owners (like Yakov), the people who’ve littered Prolemerica with tacky McMansions and to whom Detroit sells millions of new $60,000 trucks per year.

        Rich proles went yuge for Trump.

        snorlaxwp

        January 10, 2017 at 10:53 am

      • Homeowners with big mortgages describes any professional working in a liberal city.

        Prole are poor and have small mortgages, if they don’t rent (although strong majority of white proles are homeowners after they marry, but with stable marriages declining, so is prole-white home ownership).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 10, 2017 at 11:20 am

      • I like the whole McMansion moral panic like that is even on the top 100 problems that the country has.

        There is some number that could be arrived at for the mortgage deductible that could be arrived at that would have a 90% impact on Blue State Dem voters. People ought to be out there data mining to come up with the correct target number.

        Bonus- increases the impetuous of CAExit, which this country sorely needs.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        January 10, 2017 at 12:09 pm

  3. We need to ask Yakov, how religious is Jared Kushner? He tells the world he is an Orthodox Jew. He hangs out with a White Supremacist and is very high profile.

    JS

    January 9, 2017 at 10:46 am

    • He does NOT hang out with any white supremacists.

      Kushner is “modern Orthodox” which is a dying breed of Orthodox. Its members observe all Jewish laws but they don’t believe in segregating themselves from secular society, and that includes dressing like regular members of secular society.

      It’s dying. Once you hang with the secular society, it’s so much more better than Orthodox Judaism. How was Kushner able to get his beautiful blonde shiksa to convert to Orthodox Judaism? Pretty amazing, he must have a lot more going on than people think. I would convert to Scientology or Mormonism to marry a blond shiksa of Ivanka’s quality.

      It’s the “black and white” Orthodox Jews who are experiencing rapid growth in their numbers, while the modern Orthodox are shrinking.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 9, 2017 at 10:47 am

      • By Ivanka’s “quality” are you referring to her beauty, intelligence, personality, or wealth/pedigree?

        Golem

        January 9, 2017 at 11:21 am

      • There’s a topic for a post: religious conversions for sex/marriage.

        I actually have a blonde cousin who married into a Jewish family and is raising her kids Jewish. I don’t know that she and her husband are particularly devout, though. I think it’s more of a cultural thing.

        My college roommate’s parents were the opposite: Jewish father converted to Catholicism for blonde shiksa mother.

        I also used to work with a guy who grew up devoutly Catholic but converted to Judaism when he married. His wife totally pushed him around all the time so it’s not surprising he would have been the one to convert.

        Other than Luke Ford, has any living person converted to Judaism for reasons other than marriage?

        Jokah Macpherson

        January 9, 2017 at 11:43 am

      • “Other than Luke Ford, has any living person converted to Judaism for reasons other than marriage?”

        Sammy Davis Jr.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 2:21 pm

      • Kushner comes from a family of Jewish real estate tycoons. Ivanka married up. Trump is a small player in NYC’s real estate which is mostly dominated by Jews, and his buildings are very prole or one would say tacky. Trump does branding, he’s not a developer. Kushner’s family initially didn’t want him to marry a shiksa. I guess her conversion would ease the tensions between the in-laws.

        Jeff Session is purportedly a “White Supremacist”.

        JS

        January 9, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      • Mainstream liberal media lie, and you know that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 2:22 pm

      • Modern Orthodox Judaism is dying? How sad. I have a lot of cultural affinity with Modern Orthodox Jews. As a gentile from the Midwest who attended a fundamentalist church growing up, it’s hard for me to relate to secular Jews on a cultural level. I’ve gotten much better at it over the years, as I’ve gotten to know many secular Jews, but to be honest it’s still hard sometimes. Two of my closest friends are secular Jews, but I still feel out of place in large group social functions. I work with a lot of secular Jews, in a predominantly Jewish industry (an industry where I’m pretty much the only Christian), and there was a lot of…friction…at first. We just rubbed one another the wrong way. It’s gotten better over as we’ve gotten to know one another, but I still have to put a lot of extra effort into social interactions. Today everyone in that industry automatically assumes that I am Jewish, since everyone else is Jewish and since I have learned to fit in, but it took me many years to get to that point. But I still don’t feel like I am on the same cultural wavelength as my colleagues, they continue to surprise me and I continue to surprise them.

        It’s different with the Modern Orthodox. I’ve always felt right at home with them. We are sort of on the same wavelength, culturally. Even though some of the women are wearing headscarves, I just feel like I fit right in. They strike me as very solid people. We’re basically the same, the only difference is that we attend a different house of worship each sabbath. The Modern Orthodox with strong ties to the Middle East aren’t quite as easy to relate to, but I still feel like I know where they are coming from on a fundamental level. We click right away.

        The Hasidim are completely alien to me. One time a crazy relative of a prominent Hassidic family was employed as a paralegal of a law firm that I worked at. He seemed like a good guy at first, but he was crazy paranoid so it was hard to get close to him. I still made an effort, but I stopped working there soon after I met him, so I never got to know him well. There was a Hassidic girl in my law school class — her parents were NOT happy about the fact that she was in law school — who was a very, very nice girl. But those are the only Hasidim I’ve ever known. I see them on the street, and I used to have my briefs printed at a copy shop that was owned by Hasidim until it went out of business. I also had a client who grew up Hassidic but became either Modern Orthodox or secular (it would have been rude to ask) but still had a lot of investors from the Hasidic community. Other than that handful of extremely limited interactions, I don’t know them at all.

        In law school I went to dinner at kosher restaurants a few times with friends who were Modern Orthodox. The Hassidim patronized the same restaurants, so I briefly got to see the two groups interact. They seemed to HATE each other, the Hassidim thought the Modern Orthodox Jews had weak faith, and the Modern Orthodox saw the Hassidim as crazy members of a primitive and embarrassing part of the faith, people who were unreasonably fanatical about things that aren’t even necessary, kind of like how mainline Protestants view black Christians or the Amish. . I thought that was kind of sad and counterproductive, because both groups were sincere religious believers and to me, an outsider, they were both very devout. I admire the religious devotion of both groups. I do think the Hassidic men look ridiculous, and their clannishness is a little offensive to me as an outsider — it’s obvious that they don’t want to get to know me — but when I drive home on Fridays during the summer i see them going to shul with their families and I know they must be solid people.

        If the modern orthodox really are dying out, I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that trend turns around. Here in Los Angeles a lot of secular professional Jews are starting to go the modern Orthodox route — i.e. they come from families that didn’t keep kosher while growing up, but they keep kosher now, etc. They aren’t super strict — they’ll eat at regular restaurants and don’t strictly observe the sabbath — but they are adopting parts of the modern orthodox lifestyle. I think this is fantastic and I hope it continues.

        Joe Schmoe

        January 9, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      • The goal of Hasidim is not to have any contact with corrupting gentiles.

        Remember that between Modern Orthodox and Hasidim are the “black and white” (Haredi/Frum/Yeshivish/Ultra) Orthodox.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm

      • Is Modern Orthodox Judasim really dying. I work with alot of them and they seem to have pretty large families, although not nearly as large as Hasidim, etc. What is the burn off rate of Modern Orthodox? Also, are they and Hasidim mostly Ashkenazi?

        JerseyGuy

        January 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm

      • One of the curious things about “secular Jews” is that they will often refer to themselves as “Jewish atheists.” What other religion in the world does this besides Judaism? You’d never hear of a “Catholic atheist” or a “Hindu atheist.” To me, this is further proof that Judaism is as much an ethnicity as a religion. Though you can get called an anti-semite for saying this, even though Jews effectively say the exact same thing (or else “secular Jew” has no meaning whatsoever).

        peterike

        January 9, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      • “I would convert to Scientology or Mormonism to marry a blond shiksa of Ivanka’s quality.”

        Sounds like you might be willing to pray five times a day to Mecca and Medina in order to marry Ivanka.

        Lewis Medlock

        January 9, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      • What is the difference between the Modern Orthodox and the Haredi/Frum/Ultra Orthodox? I thought that “frum” was the phrase that Modern Orthodox jews used to refer to one another. Sometimes they’d ask another Jew, “are you frum?” Like the people who attend the synagogue on West 86th (I forget what it’s called) — are they Modern Orthodox?

        Also, are there any non-Hassidim women who wear wigs? Modern Orhodox women would wear hats on Saturdays, really nice old-school ladies’ hats, the kind women used to wear in the 1930’s — colorful, feminine. But I didn’t think that Modern Orthodox women wear wigs. Is that right?

        also, to what extent is this all a matter of personal choice? Like among Catholics, some of the really devout women wear lace head coverings to Mass. But it’s a matter of personal choice. My wife is super-devout but she doesn’t wear one. A few women wear them to Mass at our church but only a handful, out of 150-200 women maybe 3 or 4 will wear the lace head covering. It’s a matter of personal choice, some of your super-religious Catholics who attend the Latin mass and homeschool their kids wear veils more often, but many don’t.

        Jewish life work the same way — there are individual differences, sort of a continuum between orthodox and secular? To a degree, some things are a matter of personal choice? Like you can’t be a Hassidic Jew in jeans in a t-shirt, but a Modern Orthodox lawyer can wear the yarmulke on weekends but not to the office, etc?

        Joe Schmoe

        January 9, 2017 at 4:01 pm

      • I’m always amazed at how many lawyers there are on blogs. Is it because lawyers like to argue?

        SJ, Esquire (formerly Samson J)

        January 9, 2017 at 4:02 pm

      • Peterike is right. Everyone knows it including Leon.

        destructure

        January 9, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      • I’m not sure if Modern Orthodox is “dying”, but it’s probably in a state of constant bleeding.

        IHTG

        January 9, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      • To me, this is further proof that Judaism is as much an ethnicity as a religion. Though you can get called an anti-semite

        Antisemite is not working so we’lll call you an idiot – Ashkenazi is the ethnicity, Judaism is the religion, not all Jews are ethnically Ashkenazi.

        Ashkenazi Jews don’t become any less genetically Ashkenazi if they stop practicing the Jewish religion to become scientific atheists.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 5:20 pm

      • It’s dying. Once you hang with the secular society, it’s so much more better than Orthodox Judaism. How was Kushner able to get his beautiful blonde shiksa to convert to Orthodox Judaism? Pretty amazing, he must have a lot more going on than people think. I would convert to Scientology or Mormonism to marry a blond shiksa of Ivanka’s quality.

        The mother of the oldest patriarch of the Rothschild family, Jacob Rothschild, was an Englishwoman who converted to Judaism to marry his father:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild

        Born in 1936, he is the eldest son of Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild by his first wife Barbara Judith Rothschild (née Hutchinson). His father was born into a Jewish family, while his mother converted to Orthodox Judaism when they married.[3] Rothschild was educated at Eton College and then at Christ Church, Oxford, where he gained a First in history, tutored by Hugh Trevor-Roper.[4]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 5:28 pm

      • Lion and TUJ are both Jewish People deniers and proudly are on the same side as the Palestinians.

        Judaism is a nationality. It has ALWAYS been viewed as such. Genetic studies clearly show that all major Jewish populations except for the Ethiopian fake Jews share a common Israelite ancestry, even though they have also mixed heavily with their respective local populations.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 9, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • Judaism is a religion. Ashkenazi is an ethnicity.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 5:56 pm

      • He does NOT hang out with any white supremacists.

        Kushner, and the Jews generally, will be running white supremacy from now on.

        The white supremacists lost any hope of political relevance after wasting decades not understanding very simple facts about Jews, such as destructure and peterike’s failure to understand the Ashkenazi ethnicity is not the religion of Judaism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 5:41 pm

      • Catholic atheist:

        What Jews mean when they call themselves “Jewish atheists” is Ashkenazi atheists. It’s no more sinister than calling oneself a “French atheist”, “Irish atheist”, “Japanese atheist”, etc.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 5:45 pm

      • TUJ: Well, he has formed an alliance with Stephen Bannon.

        IHTG

        January 9, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      • Jews are a nation. There are several different Jewish ethnicities, but all real Jews (not fake Ethiopian Jews) share a common Israelite ancestry making up ~1/2 of their respective genomes.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 9, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      • I think it’s less than half. And remember that ancient Isrealites were less dark than the current residents of that Middle East today and are more closely related to Greeks and Anatolians (before Turks invaded Anatolia).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      • There’s that old groaner about the guy who goes to Belfast and is accosted by a group of thugs, who demand to know whether he’s a Catholic or a Protestant. Not wanting a beating, the traveler says “I’m an atheist.” The biggest thug thinks a moment, and asks “so’s you a Catholic atheist, or is you a Protestant atheist?”

        (There’s another version where the man says he’s Jewish, which is IMO funnier).

        snorlaxwp

        January 9, 2017 at 8:01 pm

      • I’m always amazed at how many lawyers there are on blogs. Is it because lawyers like to argue?

        Yes.

        There are also way too many lawyers, and so lots of lawyers who are un/underemployed and have lots of free time to spend on blogs.

        Not to mention plenty for whom there’s no such thing as wasted time as long as you bill it to the client.

        snorlaxwp

        January 9, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      • The word “Jewish” signifies an ethnicity and a religion. Lion and TUJ are trying very hard to convince others differently. No one uses the term Ashkenazim to denote an ethnicity, but a branch of the Jewish religion, with its various denominations.

        JS

        January 9, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      • When Jews in the U.S. use Jewish as an ethnicity, what they REALLY mean is Ashkenazi.

        Now the reality is, as you should very well know, the average American, both Jew and gentile, is a LOT less aware and spends a LOT less time thinking about race and ethnicity compared to people who read this blog, so they use inaccurate terms. Ashkenazi, mestizo, mulatto, all terms we toss around here that the regular person doesn’t use.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:32 pm

      • You left out Guido and we now have Québécois.

        Ashkenazi is Jewish in America, simply because of their omnipresence. How many Sephardic Jews does one encounter among a sea of Goldsteins and Finkelmans?

        But being Jewish is an ethnicity in itself, the same way Northern Italians and their Southern counterparts are all Italians, with a shared history, customs and written language.

        JS

        January 10, 2017 at 12:11 am

      • Ashkenazi is the ethnicity, not Jewish which is the religion. Jews are confusing the two because they don’t pay attention to these matters.

        For example, foods considered “Jewish,” like gefilte fish, are totally alien to Mizrahi Jews.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 10, 2017 at 9:05 am

      • TUJ: “What Jews mean when they call themselves “Jewish atheists” is Ashkenazi atheists. It’s no more sinister than calling oneself a “French atheist”, “Irish atheist”, “Japanese atheist”, etc.”

        So after all that you’re going to say Jews are using “Jewish” to denote ethnicity? I believe that’s what we said to start with.

        destructure

        January 9, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      • ivanka is fugly. if she were a mormon or scientologist she’d just be dumb and fugly.

        Mr Creosote

        January 9, 2017 at 9:22 pm

      • Ivanka is beautiful. Amazingly beautiful.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      • Since I don’t practice Judaism I guess this means I am not Jewish. That’s a strange thought for me. I am Ashkenazi but not Jewish. My opposite would be someone who converts to Judaism and practices it. They are Jewish but not Ashkenazi.

        Jay Fink

        January 9, 2017 at 10:13 pm

      • I’d take Lizzy Caplan over Ivanka any day.

        Curle

        January 9, 2017 at 10:27 pm

      • Lizzy Caplan is an extremely average looking woman considering that she’s an actress.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 9, 2017 at 10:37 pm

      • So after all that you’re going to say Jews are using “Jewish” to denote ethnicity? I believe that’s what we said to start with.

        No you didn’t.

        peterike said – and you agreed with him – that the religion of Judaism is nearly interchangeable with ethnicity:

        To me, this is further proof that Judaism is as much an ethnicity as a religion.

        Which is wrong. The religion of Judaism is not the Ashkenazi ethnicity.

        Therefore there is nothing inherently illogical about an Ashkenazi atheist referring to himself as a “Jewish atheist” since “Jewish” is, in this case, not referring to Judaism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 11:07 pm

      • There are several different Jewish ethnicities, but all real Jews (not fake Ethiopian Jews) share a common Israelite ancestry making up ~1/2 of their respective genomes.

        The genetic relationship to original Israelites is probably tenuous for all Jewish ethnicities.

        Yeminite Jews are identical to Muslim Yeminites, and have no connection to the ancient Israelites, whatever ethnicity the Israelites were. But Yemini Jews have existed longer than Ashkenazi Jews and are considered every bit as part of the Jewish nation as Ashkenazim.

        I believe Persian Jews and Iraqi Jews are also almost identical to Persians and Iraqis.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 11:13 pm

      • Since I don’t practice Judaism I guess this means I am not Jewish. That’s a strange thought for me. I am Ashkenazi but not Jewish. My opposite would be someone who converts to Judaism and practices it. They are Jewish but not Ashkenazi.

        Yaakov would call you a religious apostate?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 11:40 pm

      • When Jews in the U.S. use Jewish as an ethnicity, what they REALLY mean is Ashkenazi.

        Ashkenazi Jews are what antisemites mean (without quite realizing it) when they talk about Jews and confuse Ashkenazi with all of the Jewish world.

        Even at Stormfront nobody actually cares about Persian or Iraqi Jews.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 11:43 pm

      • “Kushner, and the Jews generally, will be running white supremacy from now on.”

        That’s just funny!

        Mike Street Station

        January 10, 2017 at 9:15 am

      • “peterike said – and you agreed with him – that the religion of Judaism is nearly interchangeable with ethnicity:”

        You’re trying to muddy the waters with something that appears similar but distorted to skew the meaning. Anyone can go back and read what was said for themselves. Whether people are smart enough to parse it is another matter. But I suspect most people here are.

        destructure

        January 10, 2017 at 2:13 pm

      • Anyone can go back and read what was said for themselves.

        What did he mean by this?

        One of the curious things about “secular Jews” is that they will often refer to themselves as “Jewish atheists.” What other religion in the world does this besides Judaism? You’d never hear of a “Catholic atheist” or a “Hindu atheist.” To me, this is further proof that Judaism is as much an ethnicity as a religion. Though you can get called an anti-semite for saying this, even though Jews effectively say the exact same thing (or else “secular Jew” has no meaning whatsoever).

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 10, 2017 at 7:27 pm

      • That’s just funny!

        Isn’t that basically what’s happened?

        All of that energy antisemites spent on Jews for decades and they wind up with American nationalism being defined by a philo-Zionist with his Jewish son in law serving as his senior adviser, and another Jew (Miller) as his senior policy advisor.

        Hitler himself would agree American antisemites have lost control of their own movement.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 10, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    • Jared and Ivanka seem to be what would be called “Dati Lite” in Israel.

      IHTG

      January 9, 2017 at 11:12 am

    • Is that like a jewish supremacist?

      the media is fake news

      January 9, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    • “Yeminite Jews are identical to Muslim Yeminites”

      No they are not.

      They very clearly cluster separately from Muslim Yeminites despite the fact that we know that there was an instance of mass conversion to Judaism there in the late ancient Himyar kingdom.

      Essentially no serious genetic historians deny the fact that all the major real Jewish groups have massive Israelite ancestry. All major Jewish groups share a large chunk of their genome with the Samaritans, the best proxy we have for the ancient Israelites.

      The Jewish communities of late antiquity, who modern Jews are descended from, were regarded by both themselves and their hosts as literal Israelites because they had all migrated from the Land of Israel within memory. So unless you are going to argue that those diaspora Jews simply disappeared or were overwhelmed by mass conversions that we have no record of (except in Yemen) then obviously the core component of our ancestry is Israelite, despite the undoubtably large amount of admixture that took place over ~2000 to ~2700 years.

      The only people who support the thesis that you and Lion are making are neo-nazis, Palestinians and extreme leftists. Israeli Leftist nutjob Shlomo Sand even wrote a book called “The Invention of the Jewish People” which made the same argument you two are making. When you are on the same side of an issue as those people, you need to rethink your position.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 10, 2017 at 10:08 am

      • They very clearly cluster separately from Muslim Yeminites despite the fact that we know that there was an instance of mass conversion to Judaism there in the late ancient Himyar kingdom.

        Wrong. Yeminite Jews are closer to Saudi Arabians than any other Jewish ethnic group.

        But their genetic history does not make them any less part of the House of Israel.

        Essentially no serious genetic historians deny the fact that all the major real Jewish groups have massive Israelite ancestry. All major Jewish groups share a large chunk of their genome with the Samaritans, the best proxy we have for the ancient Israelites.

        Probably less than 20% for most Jewish groups. And that’s if they have that much – Persian Jews and Iraqi Jews do not show much connection with Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or North African Jews.

        The last three Jewish groups are similar in their levels of European and Near Eastern DNA, but not all of their Middle Eastern DNA is Levantine Arab. There seems to be a large Armenian ethnic component from outside Israel common to them.

        The Jewish communities of late antiquity, who modern Jews are descended from, were regarded by both themselves and their hosts as literal Israelites because they had all migrated from the Land of Israel within memory.

        The various Jewish ethnic groups don’t have to have a genetic link to the ancient state of Israel to be part of the Jewish people.

        If they have followed the Torah and been religiously observant – And Yemeni, Persian, and Iraqi Jews have been practicing Judaism longer than Ashkenazi Jews have existed – then they are 100% Jewish even if they have not a drop of Israelite DNA in them.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 10, 2017 at 7:39 pm

      • The only people who support the thesis that you and Lion are making are neo-nazis, Palestinians and extreme leftists.

        Genetic origins does not have anything to do with the rightness of Jews owning the land of Israel.

        So long as all of the Jews there are practitioners of Judaism, the Bible gives them a divine right to occupy the land no matter their racial background.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 10, 2017 at 7:42 pm

      • And for anyone secular who objects to the Jews holding Israel, the Jews have the guns over there and anyone from the West who objects can get lost unless they are ready to physically remove the Jews from Israel themselves instead engaging in a circle-jerk on neonazi websites.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 10, 2017 at 7:44 pm

  4. IHTG

    January 9, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    • IHTG

      January 9, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      • Are we sure he’s Jewish?

        Glengarry

        January 10, 2017 at 7:35 am

    • An Israel first administration is long overdue.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      • Are you saying that an American administration should put foreign interests ahead of America’s?

        destructure

        January 9, 2017 at 9:54 pm

      • Are you saying that an American administration should put foreign interests ahead of America’s?

        Yes – and if you don’t like it feel free to complain to (((Jared))).

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 9, 2017 at 11:09 pm

  5. I’d like to recommend some “Monday morning reading” regarding the rump administration. By the way, I agree with their assessments.

    Make no mistake. Trump will build that wall on the Mexican border
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/06/trumps-border-wall-with-mexico-will-happen.html

    When Trump shames Toyota, here’s what he’s really trying to do
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/05/why-trump-is-shaming-toyota-commentary.html

    Cramer outlines exactly how Trump plans to ‘roll back years of regulations’
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/cramer-outlines-exactly-how-trump-plans-to-roll-back-years-of-regulations.html

    Citadel’s Griffin: Don’t expect massive tax cut
    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000582356

    destructure

    January 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    • Vox had a good article about how the wall is going to be built.

      Read NeoGaf and DailyKos and you will quickly be disabused of the notion that liberals are smart. They aren’t total retards like your typical “I don’t see race” conservatard, but they aren’t very bright either.

      Vox, however, really is intelligent liberalism. They are liberals, but they see reality clearly and provide real analysis of it. They know that Trump is legit and is serious about the wall and destruction of the immigrant community, whereas the Kostards and NeoGaffers are still in deep denial.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 9, 2017 at 7:55 pm

  6. What Jews mean when they call themselves “Jewish atheists” is Ashkenazi atheists. It’s no more sinister than calling oneself a “French atheist”, “Irish atheist”, “Japanese atheist”, etc.

    In fact ‘Catholic atheist’ is a very common term. Catholic convert and novelist Graeme Greene called himself a ‘Catholic agnostic’. The term makes a lot of sense, moreso even than calling yourself a French atheist or a German agnostic, because your religious faith has a bearing on the way you see the world that is second to none, and will obviously inform the kind of atheism you have. A Catholic atheist is not the same as a Jewish one. No-one can escape their past, even when they choose to reject it; they reject it in a way that it informed by it. A good example of this would be Unitarians. They are basically a monotheist religion like Islam or Judaism, but clearly they will always be considered alongside the Christianity from which they sprang, because their monotheism is borne from a conscious rejection of the Trinitarianism of Christianity which preceded it. They only make sense with a Christian backstory in the same way a Catholic atheist only makes sense with a Catholic one.

    I’ve always thought Unitarianism was an odd religion. Imagine how it must have seemed to someone with a primitive, tribal faith meeting a Unitarian and asking what they believe. So the Unitarian has to explain the Old Testament and Jewish history, and then the split that came with Christianity and the emergence of the complex doctrine of the Trinity. ‘Right…so that is what you believe?’ ‘No, we believe all that was wrong’. It’s like they are defined entirely by what they are not. Funny.

    prolier than thou

    January 9, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    • In fact ‘Catholic atheist’ is a very common term. Catholic convert and novelist Graeme Greene called himself a ‘Catholic agnostic’.

      Liberalism has been called Christianity without Christ. Which is in many ways true, Liberals have no understanding of Pagan European religious principles to use as a frame of reference when they try to reinvent morals for a secular world. The only moral tradition they have real experience with is Christianity and its cultural legacies.

      A Catholic atheist is not the same as a Jewish one. No-one can escape their past, even when they choose to reject it; they reject it in a way that it informed by it.

      True, but the Ashkenazi also have a cultural tradition that differs from that of Mizrahi Jews in important ways. An Ashkenazi atheists use of the Polish shtetls as a cultural frame of reference is a significantly different one from Yemeni, or Persian, or Iraqi Jews, but all experiences are part of the Jewish nation even if American Jews have only a vague understanding of Oriental Jewry and its cultural particulars.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 9, 2017 at 11:50 pm

    • I actually attended a Unity Church for several weeks a few years ago. I was curious what it was all about plus the fact that they call it a “spiritual life center” instead of a church appealed to me. I thought maybe I could get something spiritual out of it.

      The first thing I noticed was that every other car in the parking lot had a “co-exist” bumper sticker. I never liked those stickers because it blames the victim, the non-Muslim world always wanted to co-exist in the first place.

      It was a mostly an older crowd, ex-hippie types. They did more singing than I expected, songs that were exclusive to the Unity church. They do some big song at the end where everyone holds hands on a circle, that kind of made me uncomfortable. All of the lyrics had nicey-nice we can all get along, we are all one themes. There was a female pastor. She never mentioned Jesus and any reference to God was in the feminine, they would pray to “mother God” or something like that. The sermons had new age themes. None of this offended me. It was interesting to me how far they deviate from traditional Christian churches. But ultimately it wasn’t interesting enough for me to attend every week so I quit going.

      Jay Fink

      January 10, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    • It was a mostly an older crowd, ex-hippie types. They did more singing than I expected, songs that were exclusive to the Unity church. They do some big song at the end where everyone holds hands on a circle, that kind of made me uncomfortable.

      Unitarians have long been the most leftwing of all New England offshoots of Christianity, but the mainline Protestants were and are also liberal. Episcopalians are not far from Unitarian politics.

      Btw, Adlai Stevenson was a Unitarian.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 10, 2017 at 7:48 pm

  7. “What is the difference between the Modern Orthodox and the Haredi/Frum/Ultra Orthodox? I thought that “frum” was the phrase that Modern Orthodox jews used to refer to one another”

    ‘Fromm’ is German for ‘pious’, so I suppose the term must have a Yiddish root.

    prolier than thou

    January 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    • As I’ve explained several times, Modern Orthodox dress like normal Americans and work in and participate in normal American society. But they keep kosher and keep the Sabbath. I believe that Yakov is modern orthodox.

      The ultra-Orthodox dress in a Jewish manner (black and white, beards, hats, etc), the women shave their hair and wear wigs over their bald head (I know, yuck!), and to at least some extent they try to avoid the secular society. The Hasidim (a division of ultra-Orthodox) don’t even teach their kids English so that they can’t find out about the secular society, and they are not allowed to watch TV or read non-Jewish books.

      The division between modern and non-Hasidic ultra-orthodox has grown more distinct over the course of my lifetime.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 9, 2017 at 10:21 pm

      • Bald eagles?? No glorious natural pelt??

        Glengarry

        January 10, 2017 at 7:42 am

  8. Don’t forget, Russia infiltrated academia a long time ago. It never went away!

    the media is fake news

    January 9, 2017 at 8:27 pm

  9. I got to the “white, nationalistic” jab in that article and tapped out. That’s a big slap.

    Dave

    January 9, 2017 at 9:55 pm

  10. Obama pens new law review article. The guys at Volokh discuss it. A real snooze. Not one unconventional thought. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/05/president-obamas-new-harvard-law-review-article/?utm_term=.50057a5d345d

    Curle

    January 9, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    • From the title (“The President’s Role in Advancing Criminal Justice Reform”) it appears Obama, the brain of the left, still enjoys talking about himself at length. Though it’s merely 56 pages this time.

      Glengarry

      January 11, 2017 at 7:12 am

  11. Lion: would you be willing to convert to Scientology for the Hey Violet girl?

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 10, 2017 at 12:58 am

  12. What’s it with the cold weather, here in the Vancouver area we’ve had snow on the ground for 35 days running, that’s unheard and there doesn’t seem to be an end in sight. It’s certainly interesting watching immigrants from warmer climes dealing with it.

    Roli

    January 10, 2017 at 3:32 am

  13. Here’s a strange story: an African American who converted to Sikhism.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04nm9qw

    He seems like a smart, well-brought-up and intelligent young man, but he does allude to a misspent youth. Perhaps he was in the market for a faith without the whiteness or European baggage of Christianity, but at the same time he’s too smart to find the hatred and violence of Islam appealing. He could certainly have done a lot worse than Sikhism…although I’m not sure how easy it would be to find a Sikh wife. Indians are pretty racist, in a casual, off-hand way.

    prolier than thou

    January 10, 2017 at 2:51 pm


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