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Trump 2020

The big advantage Trump has going into 2020 is that in 2016, the Dems said Trump was racist/the next Hitler/not to be trusted with the nuclear “button.” Four years from now, people will see that there are no pogroms, no concentration camps, no nuclear war, and Trump will have all the advantages that incumbent presidents normally have.

How Trump could lose, besides health problems, is if the repeal of Obamacare becomes a mess and PR disaster, there’s some international crisis that Trump appears not to handle well, or there’s a recession and Trump is unable to deflect blame to the previous administration. Or if Trump’s enemies manage to manufacture some scandal that sticks.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 21, 2017 at 4:34 pm

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  1. I think the main threat to Trump is a competent black or Hispanic Democratic nominee. Hillary Clinton couldn’t get huge numbers of non-white Obama voters to show up at the polls, but I bet someone like Cory Booker could.

    RomanCandle

    January 21, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    • I think the main threat to Trump is a competent black or Hispanic Democratic nominee.

      The main threat remains the hostile entrenched Republican power that hates Trump and his supporters and loves, loves, loves wall street, war, Mexican illegals and hates, hates, hates Russia.

      …but I bet someone like Cory Booker could.

      As her VP he could have motivated enough blacks to vote in Mich/PA and Wisconsin. Game over.

      Kane offered basically nothing but a neutered White man.

      Rifleman

      January 22, 2017 at 12:10 am

      • He offered Virginia. HRC thought she was running against GWB in 2000 when VA would have been the key to victory. It’s why I think if Jeb! had somehow won the nomination, he would have lost to HRC.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 22, 2017 at 12:14 am

    • >>I think the main threat to Trump is a competent black or Hispanic Democratic nominee….

      Any names to put forth? Don’t mention Corey Booker. He is more of an empty suit than Obama, and he is probably on the down low. The Latino Dem bench is even worse. One loser after another.

      Daniel

      January 22, 2017 at 12:57 am

      • Empty suit sounds like just what the Democrats need. Particularly if it’s a black guy in the empty suit.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 6:25 am

    • [Corey Booker] “does not speak publicly about his personal life. But, the mayor tells the Washington Post that he doesn’t mind the gay rumors that have bubbled up from time to time during his political career.” –Huffington Post.

      Mark Caplan

      January 22, 2017 at 6:08 am

  2. Let’s hope the Don keeps his Teflon in good condition. He’ll need every inch of it as it is.

    Know this though, nobody has taken on the Don and won so far. Facing the Don is a death sentence and most are starting to get it now. Chuckee Schumaher sure got the gist quickly.

    OldTimer

    January 21, 2017 at 5:30 pm

  3. Trump won because the job market sucks for most people, period. He will win or lose on the basis of the job market. After the primaries, all the other stuff was peripheral media noise.

    We will roll over into a bad recession in one of the next three years and it will last at least two years. If we get a sharp and severe recession starting right about now, Trump can blame it on Obama and Trump will win re-election on the back of the ensuing recovery in four years. If the economic game of musical chairs continues another couple years before a contraction then Trump will be campaigning during a recession that happened on his watch and he’ll be a one-termer. That’s just how it works.

    bob

    January 21, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    • >>Trump won because the job market sucks for most people, period. He will win or lose on the basis of the job market.

      For low to medium wage earners we are in a permanent shitty economy. This is structural. There is really little that can be done with surging populations and automation. There just aren’t enough jobs to go around.

      Daniel

      January 22, 2017 at 1:00 am

      • A couple million deportations and a stop to ongoing mass Chinese, Mexican, and Central American immigration will create a tight job market for most Americans. Even with a mild recession, that would create wage increases and keep unemployment low.

        If Trump has the nards to make it happen, his immigration policy could keep him viable in 2020 even if the worst part of the business cycle hits him.

        Owen

        January 23, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    • @Bob — If there’s a recession then it will be a world-wide recession. And it will be hard to blame Trump for a recession that started in Europe or China. In fact, I suspect that many of the changes Trump pushes for regarding trade, taxes, regulation, repatriation, entitlement reform, immigration enforcement, etc could very well give the economy a boost to take us past 2020. Regardless, recession is inevitable. So we’ll get one eventually.

      @Daniel — The working class doldrums are definitely structural. Which is why it’s so critical not to import any more people to “do the jobs Americans don’t want to do.” In 20 years most of those jobs will be automated. But will still be stuck with those people who can’t do anything except dig a ditch and wash dishes.

      destructure

      January 22, 2017 at 4:53 pm

  4. I’m worried Corey Booker will be tough to defeat. The Democrats’ national strategy of running a smart, squeaky-clean, articulate black guy hasn’t failed them yet.

    But I honestly don’t know too much about him besides what I’ve read. I’ve never seen video of him speaking or anything. So he may have a downside I don’t know about.

    Jokah Macpherson

    January 21, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    • Obama was a disaster. There is no way for them to win with another black president. Obama will be the last elected one.

      map

      January 22, 2017 at 12:31 am

      • To Black America, the Democratic Party, and the Media, Obama was a deity. They will paint his administration as a massive success. Frankly, I think their best path to power is picking an Obama-like Black guy who isn’t too black, and connects with the SWPL faction of the Democrats who actually fund and decide things. Cory Booker is probably the best example of that currently.

        Mike Street Station

        January 22, 2017 at 9:48 am

    • The rap on Booker is that he’s a Wall Street Democrat, and there’s a lot of hate for him on the activist left because of that. If he ran he’d face a Sanders-like challenger, although Clinton’s win despite muted black enthusiasm is pretty strong evidence that Booker would win anyway if the field was cleared for him.

      Richard

      January 22, 2017 at 11:12 am

      • The Bernie Sanders left is not going after a black guy in the same way they could go after Hillary. They’ll just be pushed away from the microphone by black girls and shut up.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 6:28 am

  5. I don’t see Trump getting us into any wars and I think the repubs will be cautious about Obamacare. Trump is going to have scandals, he isn’t squeaky clean like Obama was. I don’t think they’ll hurt him too much though.

    A recession could be a problem. It depends when it comes and if we have recovered by the time 2020 rolls around. The destruction of the immigrant community should raise wages and reduce unemployment, however.

    I agree the 2016 playbook that the Dems used against Trump won’t work in 2020. Trump lost by 2.1 points in the popular vote but that was only because #NeverTrump cost him a net 3% of the vote. The Dems get an extra .5% percent of the vote simply from demographic change but that still leaves Trump with a .05% edge. If Booker gets the nom the Dems get an extra 1.5% because of the black vote so Trump will have to win over some Hillary voters to win. With incumbency and a united party behind him it is certainly doable, but it isn’t necessarily an easy task.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 21, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    • “squeaky clean like Obama was”

      LOLZ!! The Obama Residency was a scandal-a-rama. They were just deep sixed by the media. This outlines a few of them. There are more.

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/02/18-major-scandals-obama-presidency/

      “Trump lost by 2.1 points in the popular vote but that was only because #NeverTrump cost him a net 3% of the vote.”

      The “popular vote” is a false artifact. Hillary’s lead is due largely to California and New York. In both those places, Republicans have huge disincentives to vote. In other words, why bother? There is no way your vote will count. There isn’t even much chance of winning downstate elections. In fact, in California you literally get two Democrats competing for state-wide offices. There is no reason for a Republican to show up at the polls, other than to possibly elect the local dog catcher.

      If we actually had a popular vote, people’s behavior would be very different, as would campaigning strategies. In other words, Hillary’s popular vote lead means nothing.

      peterike

      January 22, 2017 at 11:26 am

      • If the election was determined by the popular vote, there is 0 question Hillary would have won and would have won big. #NeverTrump was much stronger than we realized. You are engaging in NeoGaf levels of wishful thinking. Take away discouraged Republicans and voter fraud and you still have Hillary winning by 1.5 at minimum, and likely closer to 2.

        Now if the election were held again today, Trump would win the popular vote thanks to the extermination of #NeverTrump.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 22, 2017 at 1:17 pm

      • ” In both those places, Republicans have huge disincentives to vote. In other words, why bother? ”

        Agree with you on California, not NY State. In NY State there are plenty of potential republicans, but the party is run by a bunch of upstate doofuses. (Do you remember Pierre Rinfret?)

        I really think that with the right leadership and a voter reg drive, the Republicans could re-take NY State. It wont happen, but it’s possible. CA is gone, alas, although a lot can change in a generation. I think on Sailer’s blog I read that CA’s birthrate is below replacement level. Perhaps demographics will do what an earthquake won’t, yet.

        gothamette

        January 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm

      • I agree that NYS isn’t as far gone as CA, but it’s pretty far gone. NYC was 33.3% non-Hispanic white at the last census, and it’s probably dropped to below 30 by now.

        The NYGOP is also hurt by the horrible fusion nomination system NY has, with the Conservative Party always threatening to veto any candidate who isn’t an unelectable hardcore SoCon. Of course like all the minor parties the Conservatives only pretend to be hardcore SoCons to improve their bargaining position so they can solicit a larger bribe for their endorsement.

        So any candidate the NYGOP nominates for statewide office is going to be unelectable and/or have serious corruption issues.

        snorlaxwp

        January 25, 2017 at 9:53 pm

  6. He has ample opportunity to screw up. But fortunately at this point people are already expecting outright lies and hostility from the propaganda media. The better the dismantling of the media, the better his chances of reelection.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    January 21, 2017 at 6:14 pm

  7. The media attacks won’t change. Even if the repeal of Obamacare and it’s replacement goes perfectly, and the plan is a real improvement on Obamacare, it’s still going to be reported in the media as a disaster. As far as scandals go, the media made up non stories like the Valerie Plame and AG firing stories and made them scandals that lasted years…Seriously, they were on the news every night. Meanwhile, Obama had multiple scandals starting with his IG firing scandal in his first months that just vanished. Ask any reporter and they’ll tell you the Obama administration was scandal free.

    With the lügenpresse , perception will be bigger than reality.

    Mike Street Station

    January 21, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    • Yes, but Trump has done a good job destroying the already low approval rating of the media. 4 years from now he will have successfully painted the media as a wing of the Democratic media in the eyes of many people.

      steven

      January 22, 2017 at 8:23 am

    • The problem for Trump is the relentless media barrage. I gave up watching the MSM around Obama’s second administration, but for Trump, I began monitoring it out of sheer curiosity and I was astounded at the bias. And I thought I was pretty shock proof.

      Yesterday’s demonstrations are only the beginning. I expect that Lion and his “cubs” will dismiss them with a sneer, but I don’t. I think it was the opening shot in a campaign of delegitimation. The emboldened hard core left will carry on Portland style violence. Cops will fear for their lives. I’m quite serious about all of this. Four years of domestic instability, with the cultural elite behind them.

      Did anyone catch Madonna’s act?

      gothamette

      January 22, 2017 at 11:01 am

      • I think there is a good possibility that your assessment is correct. Masked, black clad rioters could well become the norm; particularly if they are media praised and supported.

        Mike Street Station

        January 22, 2017 at 11:40 am

      • PS – Most of the demonstrators at these “Women’s Marches” weren’t masked or black clad, they were out, loud and proud, with signs that said, “Black Women Built This Country,” etc.

        The demonstrators in Portland will be the type you describe, and very violent, but elsewhere, no. I foresee that demonstrations will be a routine feature of urban life now.

        What else have they got to do?

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 1:12 pm

      • And then there’s this, Mike:

        http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/will-donald-trump-be-assassinated-ousted-in-a-coup-or-just-impeached/

        It’s grim. Again, Otis & Co. will dismiss it as the ramblings of a pussy liberal, but I don’t think so. The oppo is watching Trump like hawks, and will be ready to swoop at an opportune time, and unlike Clinton, impeachment will lead to removal. (Clinton was a morally compromised establishment catspaw, why remove him?)

        This not NOT like Nixon. I lived through all that. Nixon was loathed but respected. He won convincing majorities. His enemies conceded his superior intellect and ideological nimbleness. The phrase “Nixon goes to China” has entered the lexicon. Trump has no such respect and frankly, his behavior doesn’t compel it.

        Reagan? Don’t make me laugh. He won a convincing victory over an incumbent president and I think his victory over Mondale was the biggest in history. No comparison. No matter how much they mocked him, he sailed on above the fray. Trump loves petty arguments.

        This is going to be a terrible four years. If it lasts four years.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • Yes they are the ramblings of a pussy liberal. Exactly. Trump isn’t going to be impeached now for the same reasons he was never going to be impeached:
        1. It would be political suicide for the Republicans to do so
        2. It would be *literal* suicide for the Republicans to do so. It would cause a civil war.

        The Russia stuff is meaningless without a smoking gun. Everybody knows that there are people on team Trump who are very close to Russia, this isn’t news. It also isn’t illegal. For this stuff to go anywhere you would need smoking gun proof that members of Trump’s campaign were involved with Russia in hacking the election and you would need a further smoking gun to tie it to Trump. Remember the only reason that Nixon was impeached was because he idiotically tape recorded himself actively leading the cover up.

        As for a coup, not only is it not going to happen but it would be a *good* thing if it did. We have the support of over 2/3 of the rank and file military and over 80% of the law enforcement rank and file. We are much better armed and we are more cohesive. We are tougher and have control over all the regions of the country where food is grown and where our water supplies are.

        The only way the left will be able to get rid of Trump is at the ballot box. All these fantasies they are spinning up about impeachment and assassination are just further signs of how deranged they have become.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 22, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      • Correct, a coup won’t happen. I also agree it would be better than an impeachment. But I don’t put that past the Republicans, civil war be damned. You’re putting too much faith in rationality.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 5:32 pm

      • “http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/will-donald-trump-be-assassinated-ousted-in-a-coup-or-just-impeached/”

        Wow these guys won’t quit. You’re right that it could be a terrible 4 years. Good thing Trump likes a good scrap. A lessor man would fold and submit.

        Mike Street Station

        January 22, 2017 at 1:45 pm

      • No, they won’t quit. It’ll be four years of Women’s Marches, of Madonna saying she wants to blow up the White House, etc. And she’ll get away with it. And all the while Obama in Kalorama plotting and scheming. I wonder when his next interview is. Should be soon.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      • The oppo is watching Trump like hawks, and will be ready to swoop at an opportune time

        Yes, Catlady tthey are watching him like hawks ….BUT they are watching an Angus Bull in a field not a rabbit or squirrel.

        They can wwatch all they want and dream of swooping in but why should the bull care?

        Rifleman

        January 22, 2017 at 3:06 pm

      • Better a catlady than a pussy boy!

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      • This not NOT like Nixon. I lived through all that. Nixon was loathed but respected. He won convincing majorities.

        He only got 43% of the vote in 1968.

        His enemies conceded his superior intellect and ideological nimbleness. The phrase “Nixon goes to China” has entered the lexicon. Trump has no such respect and frankly, his behavior doesn’t compel it.

        Nixon had intellect, he was a reader, was in the Senate and was Ike’s VP for 8 years. But he had terrible people skills and bad judgement. Vietnam, Cambodia and Watergate are not the signs of good judgement.

        Reagan? Don’t make me laugh. He won a convincing victory over an incumbent president and I think his victory over Mondale was the biggest in history. No comparison. No matter how much they mocked him, he sailed on above the fray. Trump loves petty arguments.

        Reagan was not a threat to the military industrial complex or the establishment. He put others in charge, got out of the way, made speeches and pretty much cloistered himself with Nancy in DC and Santa Barbara.

        This is going to be a terrible four years. If it lasts four years.

        It’s going to be an uncomfortable 8 years in many ways but I have hopes that it will be successful and positive in substance and policy.

        Rifleman

        January 22, 2017 at 3:15 pm

      • It’s grim. Again, Otis & Co. will dismiss it as the ramblings of a pussy liberal, but I don’t think so. The oppo is watching Trump like hawks,

        I will dismiss it. Tactfully.

        The few remaining, non-transgender, portions of the Federal government – FBI, Military – that would be capable of eliminating Trump are pro-Trump. The CIA seems to have it in for him, but don’t assume that means they are the same kind of power they were when Eisenhower had them bring down Mossadeq of Iran, or even the early 90s under former spook George HW Bush.

        CIA opposition comes from liberal snowflake Twitter-jockeys such as Valerie Plame who are used to doing reports on human rights in the Third World, giving university lectures on diversity in the CIA, and attending crap modern art exhibits .

        These soy-latte drinking CIA employees have no idea how to carry out an actual coup. The few remaining CIA members who do vaguely remember how coups and serious intelligence operations were pulled off are all white males over 60 who, like FBI agents, voted Trump.

        The Left has antagonized all of the elements of government that know how to load firearms without shooting themselves, and therefore has no ability to execute a violent overthrow.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 22, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      • PS – Most of the demonstrators at these “Women’s Marches” weren’t masked or black clad, they were out, loud and proud, with signs that said, “Black Women Built This Country,” etc.

        Yes, those signs were really important! They were HISTORIC!

        Yuge waste of time and energy …………………………for losers.

        Rifleman

        January 22, 2017 at 4:08 pm

      • And without black women, we never would have been able to land men on the moon.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 22, 2017 at 5:33 pm

      • “Reagan was not a threat to the military industrial complex or the establishment. ”

        Right -what happens to those?

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 6:19 pm

      • @TuJ,

        I appreciate the tact.

        I’m not suggesting that “the left” is going to succeed in doing anything. I’m suggesting that Trump is a threat to segments of the elite. The demonstrators are basically savages who don’t realize that when their utility is exhausted, they would be eliminated.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      • Lion,
        I’m sorry I called Rifleman a name. It was a rash response. Can you please make a “no name calling” rule? Name calling drags down the atmosphere. Name calling is prole.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 7:58 pm

      • Women demonstrating and protesting means nothing. It’s furniture that can be safely ignored, at least in terms of street demonstrations.

        Outside of these people, where exactly are these street thugs going to riot? LA, New York and Chicago? Hardly. Red-State cities? Trumps Justice Department will gladly back felony charges and prison sentences for rioters, as will happen to the 270 people arrested in DC.

        Without the White House, mass demonstrations in hostile territory are not possible.

        map

        January 22, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • Gothamette is depressed.

        You all missed the reason for my posting that article, which was not to agree with its assertions, either singly or in total, but to point out that no president has ever been greeted upon inauguration with such loathing, such insubordination, such a display of contempt.

        The “Women’s March” was a further demonstration of utter civic decay. It was shameless, vicious provocation. We will have four years of Korea style demonstrations. Do you really think that the PTB will allow this? Their way of dealing with it is to appease the mob.

        gothamette

        January 23, 2017 at 6:23 am

      • “And without black women, we never would have been able to land men on the moon.”

        Ha! As I predicted, it’s now become official history!

        Next up on Timeless: The Lone Ranger was black, and with Tonto, POC saved the West from White outlaws.

        It’s history now.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 7:58 am

      • @Mike,

        A commenter at Sailer mentioned a leftie named Ian Welsh. I think his take is more accurate than the British gossip. Basically he’s saying that if Trump doesn’t stick to his populism, the Priebus crowd will impeach him.

        http://www.ianwelsh.net/does-trump-get-impeached-or-get-two-terms/

        Yes, I know Otis, civil war. But doesn’t destructure say that we’re too nice to do that stuff?

        Again, I’ve never seen a presidency like this. At the very beginning, people are willing to sign their names to articles predicting his impeachment. Never seen this.

        gothamette

        January 25, 2017 at 11:29 am

  8. I don’t think it will be a manufactured scandal. We’re inoculated. I do fear an international crisis. OTOH, if he handles the crisis well, he’ll be a lock for 2020.

    Don’t look too far in advance. I think Thatcher said that in politics, a week is a long time.

    gothamette

    January 21, 2017 at 6:35 pm

  9. You left out another possibility; that in the next four years we will finally develop a general theory of equality that will permit us to engineer equal outcomes for all populations and all sexes and gender identities that will result in the closing of the various achievement gaps thereby discrediting the cynical pessimism of Trump and his supporters and ushering in a new era of hope and goodwill. . . Or not.

    Curle

    January 21, 2017 at 7:15 pm

  10. There will likely be a CIA-related scandal like Iran Contra that Trump has no involvement with aside from signing off on. Reagan survived Iran Contra. Obama survived Fast and Furious. Kennedy didn’t survive Bay of Pigs though.

    The POTUS is a fall man for CIA shenanigans.

    Entity

    January 21, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    • Maybe CIA should be reorganized into three or four agencies, with part of it merged into somewhere else. Let’s stringently review their new budget while we’re at it.

      Glengarry

      January 22, 2017 at 5:19 am

  11. If the Democrats continue doubling down on their disarray, he’ll win in a true landslide in 2020. After that is anyone’s guess… but the Democratic Party needs to be remade from the ground up. If Trump is successful at remaking the Republican Party and the Democrats do not reciprocate, they’ll be out of power for at least a generation.

    Look for the next Democratic President to be a moderate from the South. I’d pay close attention to John Bel Edwards, the current governor of Louisiana.

    Bilbo Baggins

    January 21, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    • Such a candidate could NEVER survive the Democratic primaries.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 22, 2017 at 7:00 am

      • You forget that Democratic primaries are rigged, as was the case this time around. I see Trump getting re-elected and Pence serving at least one term: if that’s the case, then it would be just like 1992 where the Democratic Party’s survival pretty much depends on them winning the Presidency. That’s how Clinton won along with help from Perot. I could see something similar play out in 2028 or 2032.

        Bilbo Baggins

        January 22, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    • I don’t see anti-Trump Democrats in their current mood nominating a white Southern man. Their bench is so thin that 2020 could be the year one of the big city mayors breaks through.

      Richard

      January 22, 2017 at 11:19 am

  12. That’s assuming there are no Bush II-scale screw-ups before then, which are strong possibilities.

    JayMan

    January 21, 2017 at 7:47 pm

  13. Or everyone is is sick to death of the non stop drama. It was already too much with the two years leading up to this November. Now we get another 4 years of a leftist flight 93. I don’t want my government to be so needy and demanding.

    The only real hope is a dull Pence administration via some shameful leftist violence. Or Calexit. Maybe Trump can bait them into it.

    Lion of the Turambar

    January 21, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    • So you’re still too scared to actually face your enemies? Still thinks the left will let you live peacefully if we just get the right constitutional conservative in power… You don’t deserve America.

      OldTimer

      January 23, 2017 at 2:27 am

  14. Trump will lose if he does NOT build the Wall and control immigration. That is do-or-die for him. Like Bush saying “read my lips no new taxes” then raising taxes, he will be crucified if he fails to deliver.

    Tarl

    January 21, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    • Agreed. At the very least Trump must build the Wall, deal with H1-B visa scams and deport illegals who have been arrested or are gang members. He must also do something about sanctuary cities and the myriad of benefits that illegals receive.

      Lewis Medlock

      January 23, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      • That’s what the Ian Welsh (links here) article says. If he doesn’t stick to his populist base he’ll get torn apart – by the Republicans.

        He’s already “cut funding” to sanctuary cities. I think this is symbolic bullshit. They must be made ILLEGAL.

        gothamette

        January 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

  15. My number one concern is the coming stock market crash (or severe decline) that is due any year now, due to the normal business cycle. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Remants of the Clintonian Wall Street/Corporate Media complex will try to pin it on Trump and his “reckless” agenda.

    B.T.D.T.

    January 21, 2017 at 8:05 pm

  16. I think that barring any big disaster, Trump will be a more traditional Republican candidate in that he’d get the usual Republicans to vote for him. If the Dems choose someone not as bad as Hillary (i.e. Anyone) then you don’t get as much for the third parties. I’d say McMullin votes go almost all to Trump. Johnson votes go 60% to Trump and 20% to the Democrat and the remaining 20% stay Libertarian because they’re committed. If this happens Trump starts up in MN and NH. So the Dems need to peel enough votes on MI MN WI PA NH WI NC and FL. Not that hard as margins were low in these states. They will presumably hone their message. At least you’d think they would.

    GMR

    January 21, 2017 at 8:24 pm

  17. The most likely scenario where Trump loses in 2020 is if we have another “9/11” terror attack and Trump looses his cool and gets us into another war in the Middle-east.

    Abelard Lindsey

    January 21, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    • He gets to do it right this time, that is, start at home.

      Glengarry

      January 22, 2017 at 5:22 am

  18. Trump lost the popular vote by 3,000,000. GWB lost the popular vote by 500,000. You can spin it any way you want but unless Trump institutes radical – and unpopular – measures with respect to illegals as well as decimation of the power centers seeking his end, demographics is destiny and he will lose dramatically in 2020 (dems won’t forget about the rust belt next time).

    JC

    January 21, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    • Best comment.

      Only whites vote republican. Less whites, less republican. End of story.

      jjbees

      January 22, 2017 at 1:45 am

      • “Only whites vote republican. Less whites, less republican. End of story.”

        George Soros operates using the same line of reasoning.

        Lewis Medlock

        January 23, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    • The Dems and POCs already overplay their hand by vilifying everything white too soon. So there’s the vilification by our popular culture, and there is more and more exposure to diversity that also alarms and awakens Whites. Ultimately, demographics will prevail, but there will still be an opportunity for non-self-hating White politicians to prevail on a national level if the rate at which Whites turn to the GOP (and away from Dems) as the de facto White Party exceeds the relative gains that POCs make as a percentage of the population. I understand that that’s still a closing window, but if Whites wake up and start voting as a block, as other groups do, there are at least a couple more cycles where winning is possible.

      johnhd1

      January 22, 2017 at 2:23 am

    • I’m getting increasingly worried. Trump promised numerous times and in writing that he would sign executive orders to start building the wall and revoke DACA “on day 1.” We’re now into day 3. He also once again made Zuckerberg-tier pro-H1B expansion comments.

      I took a “wait and see” attitude at the time, but I’m beginning to fear appointing Priebus CoS was a catastrophe. Note the conspicuous absences of Bannon and Miller from any of the Inauguration Day or Oval Office photographs.

      snorlaxwp

      January 22, 2017 at 2:28 am

      • Obviously, Trump doesn’t write his own executive orders, he just signs whatever Priebus (of “autopsy” fame) chooses to put in front of him.

        snorlaxwp

        January 22, 2017 at 2:33 am

      • No president writes their own executive orders, not even Obama or Nixon.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 22, 2017 at 11:29 am

      • Calm down, Trump talks with exaggeration. “Day 1” meant Monday, the first business day of his presidency.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 22, 2017 at 11:29 am

      • The Trumpening is already happening. Check this out, alien protesters stopped at the border. Glorious: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38694437

        Curle

        January 22, 2017 at 12:34 pm

      • They wrote the frickin’ speech. What more do you want? There is no reason for either of them to be publicly present. There is currently a bipartisan bill to restrict H1B’s in the works that will be introduced soon, and Trump is certain to sign it if it passes.

        By all accounts the anti immigration EO’s are set to start on Monday.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 22, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      • Calm down, Trump talks with exaggeration. “Day 1” meant Monday, the first business day of his presidency.

        Then it better happen Monday.

        snorlaxwp

        January 22, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      • Even if Trump signed any executive orders, there’s no one at work to start carrying them out until Monday.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 22, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • What more do you want?

        I want their policies to be put into practice.

        There is currently a bipartisan bill to restrict H1B’s in the works

        The Issa bill is carefully written to do absolutely nothing. Facebook et al are actually lobbying for the Issa bill, it’s so bad. If it passes they can claim H1Bs have been “reformed” so it’s time to quintuple/remove the cap.

        http://cis.org/miano/toothless-h-1b-bill-back

        Trump’s giving lots of reasons to worry about this:

        http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-plan-233748
        http://www.computerworld.com/article/3159121/it-careers/trump-turns-to-h-1b-advocates-for-advice.html

        I work in tech. If Trump f***s me over, I’ve got two $2020 checks with Ted Cruz’s name on them.

        snorlaxwp

        January 23, 2017 at 4:12 am

      • “Calm down, Trump talks with exaggeration. “Day 1” meant Monday, the first business day of his presidency.”

        Day 4 today and Reince Priebus announced that DACA is now the permanent policy of the Trump administration. over 200 new DACA amnesties have been issued by Trump today.

        Owen

        January 23, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    • “GWB lost the popular vote by 500,000. You can spin it any way you want…”

      It isn’t “spin” to point out that GWB didn’t have #NeverTrump to deal with. No #NeverTrump and Trump beats Hillary by a point instead of losing by 2.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 22, 2017 at 7:04 am

      • Plus, no Republicans running in Cali senate race (two liberal Democrat women) or house. Low Republican turn out.

        No nevertrumpers plus interesting Republican opposition in California races = several million more votes for Trump.

        Still, Trump is flawed and hated but he still got a higher percentage of the popular vote than winners Nixon in 1968 43% or Clinton in 1992 43% or Lincoln in 1860 39%.

        And remember not only did Hillary lose the EC she also LOST the MAJORITY of the popular vote despite spending $600 million more than Trump and being endorsed by every media outlet and newspaper except the New York Post, Fox news and Adelson’s silly paper in Vegas.

        Rifleman

        January 22, 2017 at 5:50 pm

  19. It’s really difficult to predict how Trump will govern, given that he’s never held political office until now. I expect the first two years will be quite bumpy for him. Furthermore, he’ll remain grating and reactive.

    (For example, he’s mad at the media for saying the turnout to his inauguration was low and is issuing counter statements. Donald, no one cares. We know that the Dems are a bunch of unemployed losers and DC is an extremely liberal city. Of course they were going to turn out to see Obama, whereas Trump’s supporters in Ohio were busy taking their kids to school and driving to work.)

    Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that the ideas he’s bringing with him to Washington are superb. For simply not taking in millions of illegals and Muslims, and not seeking a hot war with Russia, the country will be in much better shape in four years than it would have been under Hillary.

    The Democrats may very well win if they run a black candidate and the black turn out is higher. Then again, right, in four years people aren’t going to be antsy about Trump being Hitler ready to start a nucelar war at Putin’s bidding, so his share of middle class white votes may go up.

    Sid

    January 21, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    • On second thought, a black candidate may turn off other members of the Coalition of the Fringes. We were supposed to have our first woman President, if not in 2008, then certainly in 2016! And shouldn’t we have a Hispanic president too?

      Obama was also unique in that he was half white, so he understood how to reach out and appeal to whites, and what kind of black leader appeals to them, better than a Jesse Jackson would.

      Can Cory Booker pull it off? I suppose he’s a shoo-in, but he has always come off as someone better suited for being mayor of a city than president. What are big things he’s accomplished? He already seems to have reached the Peter Principle as a senator.

      Sid

      January 22, 2017 at 12:34 am

      • What had Obama accomplished?

        The criticisms of Booker are basically, “he isn’t Obama”. Well you aren’t going to find another Obama. Booker is the best you can do. Remember that the Dems can’t win without a black man leading the ticket because the blacks don’t turnout at white levels if there is no black guy to vote for.

        If Biden runs, Booker will definitely be the VP. But is a black running mate enough to get Obama level turnout amongst blacks?

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 22, 2017 at 1:52 pm

      • “What had Obama accomplished?”

        Practically nothing, but he was a superb orator (I never cared for his speeches but enough people did!), and there had been a massive demand for decades for the first black president. Booker’s speaking ability is above average, but he doesn’t get people going crazy the way Obama did at the DNC in 2004.

        “Booker is the best you can do.”

        I’d say Cory Booker has the best shot of being the next black president, but Deval Patrick might be able to pull it off. I haven’t heard anything about whether he’s thinking of running in 2020, whereas Booker is already pulling off publicity stunts.

        I suppose I’d say: if Cory Booker runs, he will get the nomination, because blacks will almost unanimously get behind him. In 2008, blacks lined up behind Obama and in 2016 they lined up behind Hillary, and that was the end of the matter.

        What I’m not sure of is whether Cory Booker can pull in the amount of white support that Obama did during his campaigns. I’m also not sure if Hispanics or women will be glad about a black man being the Democratic president AGAIN. The Coalition of the Fringes tends to form itself into a circular firing squad. Low liberal women and Hispanic turnout might put Nevada and Colorado in play for Trump, in that case.

        Sid

        January 22, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    • “For example, he’s mad at the media for saying the turnout to his inauguration was low and is issuing counter statements. Donald, no one cares”

      The Media cares…a lot! Most of Meet the Press has been dedicated to it. If you can pull it up on line or on demand, I highly recommend it. The interview with Chuck Todd and Kelly Anne Conway was pure gold. It was full on media on the attack about the crowd size.

      Then..later on another interview with Trump advisor Tom Barrack , who perfectly undercut the media’s “Trump’s lying” about the crowd size point. Fantastic!

      Mike Street Station

      January 22, 2017 at 10:00 am

      • Well shoot! Fake news is consistently more scummy than Trump is petty.

        Sid

        January 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm

  20. His main constituency will continue to shrink.

    Dave

    January 21, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    • Not if we can register a few million of the 47 million whites who aren’t registered.

      gothamette

      January 22, 2017 at 11:05 am

    • Yes, demographics is the main issue. Don’t pay attention to the rest of the noise.

      Trump, and all of us, have a tough road to hoe when:

      1) feminism has infected white women who force late marriages and less kids

      2) white tax payer money subsidizes R-selected aliens who have no compunction having lots of kids on whitey’s dime. Even if the wall were up RIGHT NOW, they would still be overrunning us.

      3) soulless globalists/employers don’t give a shit about the dystopic long-term that’s a’coming; all they care about is CHEAP LABOR NOW.

      Western Civ. is in critical systemic failure. Trump presidency can’t save it; can only serve as a delay tactic until or if a revolution comes.

      fakeemail

      January 22, 2017 at 11:15 am

  21. Good point. The ‘it’s too dangerous to trust a non-political establishment candidate’ scare tactic probably cost Trump 4-5 %.

    trey

    January 21, 2017 at 10:16 pm

  22. Trump is going to have a big advantage in key swing states when low information centrist suburban Republican women that believed the lies see the truth about Trump.

    Those women are Republican by inclination and they will be coming right back to Trump. They’re especially concentrated in places like PA and WI. If Trump can hold FL, keep a campaign promise or two, and avoid any major disasters, he should have clear sailing in 2020.

    Obviously he should try not to shoot himself in the foot by repealing Obamacare or getting into any foreign wars.

    owentt

    January 21, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    • Owentt has a good point here.

      Remember that the Democrat Party is at saturation. It’s anti-white message represents ample upside for many whites switching to the Republicans. There will be very few whites switching to the Democrats. Minorities are already at Democrat saturation.

      map

      January 22, 2017 at 12:45 am

    • But those women are predominantly Catholic and there is a ceiling there. There isn’t a lot of wiggle room with the various constituencies. You’re not going to suddenly persuade blacks to vote like white southerners and so on. It’s set. You have to appeal to constituencies. The trick is to get a higher turnout of those groups favorable to you and a lower turnout of those groups not favorable to you. Not you personally, but you know what I mean.

      Dave

      January 22, 2017 at 5:25 am

      • There are 46 million whites that are not registered to vote. There are fringe Democrat whites that will get shed out of the Hive over time.

        map

        January 23, 2017 at 4:55 am

    • Trump will also attract a much greater percentage of Hispanics once they realize that he’s not going to round up 11 million and deport them. Many middle class Hispanics are small “c” conservative and are highly family oriented.

      gda

      January 23, 2017 at 2:46 am

  23. The only way Trump is gonna lose in 2020 is if he fails to build the wall and deport the illegals.

    Yakov

    January 21, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    • Completely agree. In fact, I think he’ll win additional states if he does that and all else goes reasonably well: he’ll pick up all of Maine, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Colorado, and Nevada at that point.

      Bilbo Baggins

      January 22, 2017 at 9:13 pm

  24. Trump will lose if he doesn’t keep his promises on immigration, free trade, and less foreign wars.

    I am afraid he will get snookered by Paul Ryan into supporting entitlement cuts, tax cuts for the rich and deregulation of financial industry.

    Jimi

    January 21, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    • I am afraid he will get snookered by Paul Ryan

      If Trump can get “snookered” by a dork like Paul Ryan then he DESERVES to lose!

      Rifleman

      January 22, 2017 at 12:15 am

      • Yes, Paul Ryan isn’t some evil genius. The more I’ve watched him the more I see that Nehlen’s description of “soulless globalist” is spot on. He’s just a sniveling yes-man/butt-kisser with no will of his own who has used his clean-cut image to do very nicely for himself.

        fakeemail

        January 22, 2017 at 11:18 am

      • Ryan is a graduate of Miami University in Ohio, the 155th ranked college for entering freshman SATs with a 75th percentile average of 1330. He’s a big fan of Ayn Rand. He’s one of those guys who works hard to slough off any serious discussion of group differences with faith in the free markets to cure all social ills. He doesn’t possess sufficient curiosity regarding the world around him to explore whether his equalist faith is compatible with the known record regarding such things.

        Curle

        January 22, 2017 at 12:00 pm

  25. It would be quite depressing if Lion is still blogging in 2020.

    JS

    January 22, 2017 at 12:25 am

    • I’ve been blogging for 12 years, why wouldn’t I be blogging for 4 more?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 22, 2017 at 12:32 am

      • Because a single person in their middle years would find a better and more productive outlet with self-actualization. And given America’s trajectory to a complete fragmentation/decentralization, it would be time consuming and repetitive to blog about its demise, which is now in its initial stages. Worse, to be in the middle of it, is quite depressing.

        Trump’s only hope to save America with its sanity is to destroy all of its institutions which have run their normal course. He does not have time to prod like a turtle. He must act fast like a demolition crew, ruthlessly eliminating anything that is no longer effective.

        JS

        January 22, 2017 at 1:17 am

    • It will be quite depressing if you’re still this shitty a poster come 2020.

      driveallnight

      January 22, 2017 at 1:36 am

    • JS, how long have you been commenting here? I think that you gonna move back to the USA by 2020.

      Yakov

      January 22, 2017 at 7:27 am

      • I think 2020 America will be a very different world not to my liking. 2012 is already ancient history, when Obama was in his 2nd term.

        I previously said that Manhattan is my only calling in America. What do you think the rental rates will start in Manhattan by then? $4K/month for a one bedroom in 2020?

        JS

        January 22, 2017 at 12:07 pm

      • ‘What do you think the rental rates will start in Manhattan by then? $4K/month for a one bedroom in 2020?’

        So it’s obviously not for low earners like you. Why do you want to live beyond your means? I’m investing, so for me it’s pretty good. You have to operate on your level, mate, and banish envy from your heart.

        Yakov

        January 22, 2017 at 12:14 pm

      • My issue is not trying to live beyond my means, but the fact that America is expensive, only because it’s a de-civilization.

        JS

        January 22, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    • It would be quite depressing if Lion isn’t still blogging in 2020.

      Jokah Macpherson

      January 22, 2017 at 10:00 am

      • Agreed.

        Curle

        January 22, 2017 at 11:42 am

      • Only if he is blogging from a Red State or outside of the country.

        JS

        January 22, 2017 at 12:07 pm

  26. Here is my prediction…you guys can hold me to it.

    There is a small crisis brewing in the next year or so regarding the economy. Corporations borrowed approximately $2 trillion over the Obama years to take advantage of low interest rates and their bonds are coming due. Roughly 10% of these companies have very shaky financials and won’t be able to either pay off these bonds or roll over the debt. Essentially, these companies will go bankrupt. This will have an effect on the market and job growth. You can count on the media blaming Trump for this.

    It becomes an even worse problem if the Federal Reserve raises interest rates in the face of these bond rollovers, which will increase the degree of market volatility and slow job recovery.

    I am very curious if this will spark a Trump attack on the Federal Reserve itself and a discussion on withdrawing the charter. It should be obvious by now that the Fed is basically engineering volatility to help Wall Street.

    map

    January 22, 2017 at 12:43 am

    • The Fed is not going to raise rates. The Fed raises rates when borrowing costs get too high, and borrowing costs are currently at all time lows. When the next recession hits, the FED will do QE and congress will pass a stimulus. This has been Japan’s playbook for the past 30 years and it’s worked like a charm.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 22, 2017 at 1:58 pm

      • I’ll take the opposite side of that. The FED will raise rates.

        Yellen already raised them a quarter point a few months ago. I suspect you’ll get a total full point raise by the end of the year. The Fed is now after Trump, and what better way to get him than to try to instigate a recession in his first year of office?

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 8:29 am

      • “The Fed is now after Trump, and what better way to get him than to try to instigate a recession in his first year of office?”

        Wait three years in order to do maximum damage before his re-election.

        An immediate recession can be easily deflected onto Obama and forgotten by 2020.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 23, 2017 at 10:05 am

      • “Wait three years in order to do maximum damage before his re-election.

        An immediate recession can be easily deflected onto Obama and forgotten by 2020.”

        I don’t think the Fed is that competent when it comes to timing. I figure they raise rates this year, in order to instigate recession next year, which will be a midterm election year.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 11:13 am

    • I suspect a raise in rates will hurt trump’s enemies more that it would hurt him. The budgets of the core blue states are in a bad position. Imagine what a small increase in rates would do to California. If it leads to a drop in real estate prices and deflates the silicon valley bubble CA will find itself in a lot of trouble.

      If there is a recession, and trump is able to blame it on the fed, it would present an opportunity to re-imagine the financial system. Unfortunately trump seems to have appointed very conventional posts in this area.

      Sterling

      January 22, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      • Trump’s warning about the dangers of a recession/major correction are out there on video. The MSM may try to blame him, but he will be able to point to these warnings and say “don’t blame me – I told you this was coming”.

        gda

        January 23, 2017 at 2:53 am

  27. One should look to Allan Lichtman, one of the only prognosticators to correctly forecast the 2016 election, for clues as to what will happen in 2020.

    Party Mandate – Supposedly, the Republicans are well positioned in 2018 congressional elections. Let’s assume this is in his ADVANTAGE for reelection.

    Contest – If Trump is not completely sucessful, it’s likely a quisling religious fanatic or open borders type will run against Trump for the nomination. I suspect this will be to his DISADVANTAGE.

    Incumbency – Trump will use the bully pulpit of the White House to his ADVANTAGE.

    3rd Party – I think a third party will run against Trump in 2020 and receive more than 5% of the vote, to his DISADVANTAGE.

    Short Term economy – Early indicators are good, so the recent economy will be to Trumps ADVANTAGE.

    Long term economy – The economy should continue to grow, even at an anemic pace, under Trump to his ADVANTAGE.

    Policy Change – Will Trump build the Wall and create an immigration party for Americans, not Wannabe Americans? If not, it will be to his DISADVANTAGE.

    Social Unrest – The protests today are a flash in the pan, but violent demonstrations – perhaps associated with Black Lives Matter and police shootings – would hurt him. However, we seem to have grown beyond 1968 style uprisings generally, to Trump’s ADVANTAGE.

    Scandal – Too late I think. Trump is inherently scandalous, and this will work to his DISADVANTAGE.

    Foreign Military Failure – To get the ADVANTAGE, Trump just has to not do any worse than Obama.

    Foreign Military Success – unless Obama defeats ISIS, visits North Korea or becomes a war-leader, this will be to his DISADVANTAGE.

    Incumbent Charisma – No. DISADVANTAGE Trump.

    Challenger Charisma – Who would be charismatic on the Democratic side. George Clooney? Likely ADVANTAGE Trump.

    Only 7 keys in Trump’s favor – you need a super majority of 8! Likely, Trump will be a one term president even if the economy is good. However, victory is within his grasp if he gambles as he has done in the past and delivers the policies HIS supporters want. We will see!

    Paul Rise

    January 22, 2017 at 12:44 am

  28. OT: Ben Swann has a Pizzagate segment on CBS news…it was not about debunking it:

    map

    January 22, 2017 at 1:10 am

    • It’s a very good video.

      #pizzagate is a valid conspiracy theory, not fake news.

      But I think the real story is not that a pizza shop is HQ for a child sex ring, but rather that gay men have sexual preferences that they keep hidden that, if regular hetero people knew about, they’d be disgusted by them.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 22, 2017 at 11:27 am

      • +1 Lion.

        It’s a great video – one of the things Swann points out, which had escaped me, was common sense: how the hell did a pizza shop owner get to be so connected?

        My question is, how the hell did such a good investigation end up on the MSM? Never heard of Ben Swann. I will be watching him.

        Wikileaks tweeted about this. That’s something we’ve forgotten to mention: the importance of Wikileaks in the next four years. They are firmly in Trump’s camp. Which is kind of …. interesting.

        Bob Kuttner better watch out for them.

        gothamette

        January 22, 2017 at 1:06 pm

      • Color me unconvinced by the Swann video. Reliant on innuendo and the classic “lack of evidence = evidence” trope.

        But I think the real story is not that a pizza shop is HQ for a child sex ring, but rather that gay men have sexual preferences that they keep hidden that, if regular hetero people knew about, they’d be disgusted by them.

        That’s true of men (and maybe even women?) in general. Pussygate (and earlier stuff, “shock jocks,” “objectification” and so on) is [upper-middle-class] women being disgusted and outraged upon learning how heterosexual men talk in private.

        snorlaxwp

        January 23, 2017 at 4:57 am

    • Though this isn’t the first I’ve heard of the ‘scandal’ it is the first time I’ve paid attention. I’ll say that few people in the UK ten years ago would have believed that the BBC was well aware of a predatory pedophile on their payroll, http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-entertainer-rolf-harris-stripped-5245708, and yet did nothing. At least there politicians finally admitted they had a problem. Labour MP Simon Danczuk , who campaigned for the move [to remove his CBE], said: “The extent to which the British establishment has harboured sex offenders has become disturbingly clear.” And then there was the Rotherham sex abuse rings where officialdom looked the other way http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089. Since the political cultures are so similar between the two countries, it hardly seems likely that we would completely avoid their fate in this regard. If so, even if this isn’t the ring, is there one and where is it? Are we even looking?

      Curle

      January 22, 2017 at 11:38 am

  29. My fear is if Trump doesn’t play ball with the globalists they will tank the stock market they have been artificially propping up these past 8 years.

    Jay Fink

    January 22, 2017 at 1:18 am

  30. I think Lion is underestimating how much the Republican establishment hates Trump, and if they get a chance to depose him without looking bad they will take it. This is why the “Trump loves Putin” stories aren’t going away, that keeps the distrust among core Republican voters alive. What the Republicans really don’t want are energized young and minority voters coming out in droves to vote Democrats into Congress or state offices in 2018. If Trump remains this unpopular he will become a liability to the GOP and he will be best case asked to step down for “health reasons” or worst case impeached on some conflict of interest charge. Trump made a risky move taking over a party and political movement he has never belonged to and that doesn’t like being humiliated by him. It may pay off, it may not.

    Peter Akuleyev

    January 22, 2017 at 4:52 am

  31. Trump will not seek a second term.

    E. Rekshun

    January 22, 2017 at 6:07 am

    • This. Trump thought he could win last year, which is why he ran and stuck to it. If he doesn’t think he can win in four years, he will step aside.

      Seth Long

      January 22, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    • If Trump has really made the kind of enemies that everyone claims, then it is not possible for him to go back to civilian life. He’s been too disruptive and he brought out to many issues and opened too many old wounds. How does he expect to be forgiven? What compromise can he possibly make that secures cooperation from the other side once he is out of power? No, Trump has no choice but to remake the government and stack it with like-minded people.

      I was fully convinced that, had Trump lost the election, he would certainly be bankrupt by the end of 2017 and possible in jail or dead. Nothing will be forgiven.

      We’re also forgetting one other important factor: there are young turk Republicans who would rather wield power instead of carrying water for the Democrats. Why would they step aside for the McCains, the Lindsey Grahams, and Paul Ryans of the world when they can hitch a ride with Trump and displace the old guard?
      The war among the elites is certainly very real.

      map

      January 23, 2017 at 5:10 am

  32. You people see how white the Woman’s March was?

    Look at the photos, count the number of minorities, then look up the racial demographics of their cities.

    The European race has leftist shittery built-in their genes, I swear.

    Jason Liu

    January 22, 2017 at 7:35 am

    • I understand that many East Asians like you, similar to a subset of Jews, want to ally themselves with WNs. America has welcomed greedy parasites of all colors with dire consequences.

      JS

      January 22, 2017 at 1:21 pm

      • What the hell are you talking about? Liu is correct. The urban centers were flooded by white do-goody suburbanites who came out because celebrities.

        Seth Long

        January 22, 2017 at 1:39 pm

      • And the average person who voted for Trump is middle age and up, with his entire transition team consisting of individuals with their days numbered.

        Now what does this tell you about America and its future?

        JS

        January 22, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      • JS — Of course, if a country imports large numbers of 3rd worlders and institutes leftwing policies it will end up being a 3rd world country itself. But one shouldn’t mistake Trump’s supporters being middle aged with future generations being liberal. A not insignificant percentage of middle aged conservatives were once young liberals — much to the disappointment of hippies from the early 70’s. “Never trust anyone over 30” don’t you know. And though the country has certainly slid leftward over the last 50 years it has been due more to the influence of the cathedral than the general public among whom conservatives still outnumber liberals by almost 2 to 1. Without the influence of the MSM that ratio would be much larger.

        destructure

        January 22, 2017 at 10:35 pm

      • How is siding with the only sane force trying to save this country being a greedy parasite? What is your official position on all this anyway, aside from your occasional snooty comments about how much America sucks and how great your heavily subsidized Ontario is you’ve never really attached yourself to a position. Probably so we can’t pin you down later.

        OldTimer

        January 23, 2017 at 2:47 am

      • America doesn’t need more foreign nationals from China to invest in America, the same way it doesn’t need Hispanics and black immigrants for its menial work.

        JS

        January 23, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      • I’m not in Ontario, which is Anglo Prole territory and is becoming another 51st State. I’m in French Speaking Canada, surrounded by architecture that reminds you of Europe.

        What’s wrong with being subsidized by the Canadian gov’t if the province looks like this?

        Or Montréal, which is a gritty 80’s version of New York City, without the crime and high rents — a haven for creative types.

        JS

        January 23, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    • Most whites don’t support that. After all, Trump did get 2/3 of the white vote including a majority of white women. The women at those protests may be a highly motivated fringe but they’re still fringe.

      destructure

      January 22, 2017 at 5:34 pm

      • A bunch of menopausal and post-menopausal cat ladies are of little interest or importance. If your leader is a former hottie like Ashley Judd who hit the wall hard, bitter by her lack of attention from successful men, and screaming her loathing out to the world, then you have little to worry about. Watching this parade of losers, I fully understand the Salem witch trials.

        There is a reason why witches are portrayed as old, childless and lonely women.

        map

        January 23, 2017 at 2:59 pm

  33. Trump hits the ground running – One of his trade promises already kept and it’s only Day One!

    Report: U.S. Announces Withdrawal From TPP Within 24 Hours of Trump Inauguration…
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/22/report-u-s-announces-withdrawal-from-tpp-within-24-hours-of-trump-inauguration/
    January 21, 2017 3:05 am JST

    US announces withdrawal from TPP
    http://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Trump-era-begins/US-announces-withdrawal-from-TPP

    Nedd Ludd

    January 22, 2017 at 8:37 am

    • It makes sense. If they had lolly-gagged it would have only made it harder. Just rip the band aid off and let the Dems squeal.

      destructure

      January 22, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    • Should be major headlines but the msm is ignoring it.

      Mike Street Station

      January 23, 2017 at 8:45 am

    • The TPP was already pretty much dead. Hillary had said she wanted to renegotiate TPP also.

      China, Russia, Japan are now all going to push ahead with free trade deals that do not include the US, effectively putting US products at a disadvantage in those markets.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-01/russia-china-and-japan-fill-the-trump-trade-gap

      mikeca

      January 23, 2017 at 11:22 am

      • ” Hillary had said she wanted to renegotiate TPP also.”

        Yeah sure, when her back was pushed up against the wall.

        gothamette

        January 23, 2017 at 12:55 pm

      • Right…

        China, Russia and Japan are all going to abandon their mercantilist policies and free trade among themselves.

        Sure.

        Watch as nothing comes from this. Do you really think Russia and Japan are just going to allow China to flood their markets with products? Japan will certainly impose the same tariffs as they have on US goods.

        map

        January 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm

      • “China, Russia, Japan are now all going to push ahead with free trade deals that do not include the US, effectively putting US products at a disadvantage in those markets.”

        Don’t be absurd. We have a huge trade deficit with China. We’d be better off not trading with them at all. Our trade with Russia is insignificant and mostly deficit as well. Their economy is anemic and struggling under the weight of international sanctions for invading Ukraine. And while we have significant trade with Japan, we’re their second largest trading partner while they’re only our 4th. We have a large deficit with them as well. And with a large population crammed into a handful of islands they’re heavily dependent on international trade to stay afloat.

        If you liberals understood anything about economics you’d realize that the country with the deficit holds all the cards. But our greedy corporations were too busy outsourcing and selling the country out from under us and bribing pols with campaign donations. I consider it treason. Of course, liberals don’t care about treason because you’re all traitors.

        Trump is absolutely right to pull out of these trade deals with cheaters. I say let the cheaters rip each other off for a while. Trump said 30 years ago that they were ripping us off. He was right then and he’s right now.

        destructure

        January 23, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      • Destructure is right.

        It can’t be stressed enough that this is not the 1920’s. This is not a Smoot-Hawley tariff situation because the US was a leading manufacturer and exporter back in the day. Getting killed by European competition at the time after it recovered from WWI was devastating.

        Now, with mercantilism the standard form of economic development, the nation with the biggest trade deficit wins because it its the market of last resort. There is no other market to sell their products if the US closes off.

        map

        January 23, 2017 at 11:20 pm

      • Irrational greed dictates America’s business climate.

        A good question to ponder: Trump’s meeting with business leaders on tax reform so jobs can stay in America is a crap shoot.

        How would Mr. CEO of Nike save a lot of money by hiring Joe Jones of Indiana/Kentucky who demands a living wage, sick leave, medical benefits and a pension, when none of this is required of Lu Sah Wang at a factory in China?

        JS

        January 24, 2017 at 10:29 am

      • “The TPP was already pretty much dead. Hillary had said she wanted to renegotiate TPP also.”

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/hillary-clinton/what-hillary-clinton-really-said-about-tpp-and-gol/

        Website does it’s level best to help HRC out but can’t get around that she really did support it, and yes, really did say it was the “gold standard” of trade agreements.

        gothamette

        January 25, 2017 at 4:36 pm

  34. DKos post from liberal toughguy: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/22/1623376/-Today-I-got-paid-for-telling-a-Trump-Nazi-I-was-going-to-knock-his-teeth-down-his-throat

    Same type of sentiment all over NeoGaf, they really think that we are scared of them. The fact is that everybody (except apparently Kostards and Gaftards) knows that the typical Trump supporter would kick the living shit out of the typical Hillary supporter. I have never met any of these liberal tough guys in real life so who knows if they actually exist.

    They also think that we are scared of the women’s march. I’ll admit it was waaaaaay more successful than I expected, but Hillary did get 65 million votes and the Dem base is made up of the types of losers who like to go to these types of events (I have several in my family).

    It reminds me a little bit of the early 80s protests in Israel against the Lebanon war or the anti Reagan protests in that same period where the left managed to generate awesome turnout despite being in the minority.

    Also, credit where credit is due: that drawing of the Muslim girl with the American flag hijab really does trigger me.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 22, 2017 at 9:30 am

    • Make sure to read the comments on the post where the Kostards compare their violence against Trump supporters to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 22, 2017 at 9:32 am

    • Welcome to Post America 2017!

      The artist who designed this poster graduated from one of the most prestigious art schools in America. — Rhode Island School of Design

      JS

      January 22, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      • After the CIA is reformed to work for America again, they can rendition him to Syria where they can hang him, cremate the body, and scatter the ashes on the plains of Afgahnistan.

        OldTimer

        January 23, 2017 at 2:50 am

      • Yet what’s the meaning? Women should wear American hijabs? Is it suggesting that hijabs are bad? Or are hijabs good? Are hijabs only bad when they are American flags, but acceptable when they are Muslim? Or maybe it’s the recognition that women need strong leadership, and the seductive woman is an encouragement of Nationalist politics?

        Still trying to figure this out, since it seems highly incoherent.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        January 23, 2017 at 3:45 am

      • When was America in the last 40 years ever coherent?

        JS

        January 23, 2017 at 9:57 am

      • “Yet what’s the meaning? Women should wear American hijabs? Is it suggesting that hijabs are bad? Or are hijabs good? Are hijabs only bad when they are American flags, but acceptable when they are Muslim? Or maybe it’s the recognition that women need strong leadership, and the seductive woman is an encouragement of Nationalist politics?”

        The meaning is that this is your future America.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2017 at 8:47 am

      • No, we live in a Post America.

        JS

        January 23, 2017 at 10:18 am

      • “The artist who designed this poster graduated from one of the most prestigious art schools in America. — Rhode Island School of Design”

        I never would have guessed that in a million years.

        Lewis Medlock

        January 23, 2017 at 5:37 pm

      • Lion and most of us think prestigious schools only applies to the Ivy Leagues/the academic world, when in fact, art/design schools have their own realm of status signalling, more so, because the creative fields are all about self actualization.

        This is the guy who designed this poster, also designed the Obama poster with Hope n Change.

        http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/art/shepard-fairey-net-worth/

        He’s worth $15 million dollars, not bad for a designer.

        JS

        January 23, 2017 at 7:49 pm

  35. Trump will win re-election and his chosen successor will win in 2024.

    Andrew E.

    January 22, 2017 at 1:41 pm

  36. I think Trump has made a strong start, but will throw cold water on the second term idea.

    First, the record holder for the oldest person elected President was Ronald Reagan, in 1984. Its generally conceded now that Reagan was starting to suffer dementia in his second term, and I’m pretty sure that the Reagans seriously considered not running for re-election. Reagan was 73 that year. The second oldest person elected President happens to be Trump, followed by Reagan in 1980. Age related health issues did come up in 1984, in the first debate, though Reagan put them to rest, and also came up in 73 year old Bob Dole’s 1996 campaign, when he promised to serve only one term in office.

    Trump at 74 would quite simply be too old or close to too old to run (I happen to think there should be a maximum age for election as President and Vice President, though I think it should be 75). Not running for re-election would also give him more freedom to challenge established interests during his term. However, he would be smart, largely because it is expected, to give every appearance of seriously running for a second term and then to drop out at the last minute, even if he really doesn’t intend to run for a second term, as Lyndon Johnson did.

    Second, the globalists are in full control of both the Democratic and Congressional caucuses. It appears that Trump is dealing with this by enacting alot of stuff the Republicans wan in return for getting parts of his own nationalist agenda through. But there is always the possibility/ threat of the Republican establishment just making a deal with the Democratic establishment, in which case good bye Trump. This would be unpopular, but the possibility strengthens the GoPe in negotiations with Trump, and they want to do some unpopular things, such as entitlement cuts, that in many instances contradict Trump’s own promises.

    Ed

    January 22, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    • G-d watches over Trump. His health will carry him through 2 terms. Maybe he will seek to extend presidential term limits if he sees no qualifying successor. Maybe he will tie it along with another amendment of some legislation that is very popular.

      Trump could offer the democrats a socialized medicine amendment to the constitution in exchange for ultimate power… or some such.

      OldTimer

      January 23, 2017 at 2:54 am

    • I wonder. Trump is probably an exception to the general rule, given his prodigal ability to work phenomenal hours, and his seeming ability to get by on minimal sleep. Can he keep that up? Or will the job grind him down in 4 years? It remains to be seen. But there is so much to accomplish, 4 years just isn’t enough time to get it done, and I suspect he will continue on unless medically challenged in some way (which is quite possible).

      gda

      January 23, 2017 at 3:08 am

    • Trump is phenomenally energetic and healthy for a man his age. I don’t think such comparisons apply.

      map

      January 23, 2017 at 5:18 am

      • When people get old, they can get sick and die at any time, even if they are phenomenally energetic and healthy the day before.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 23, 2017 at 8:18 am

  37. Sorry to go OT, but this is an update on my criminal case, whch Yakov predicted “will never go to trial.” You may recall that I’m charged with battery on a restaurant parking attendant, who bashed my Mom’s car (she’s 93) because he didn’t want us driving into his handicaped space. I just got the police report, and the officer wrote that I deliberately smudged my thumbprint in order to be uncooperative. In reality, what happened was the printing officer (different from the writer) remarked at the time, “wow, first try, perfect.” And I’m not even black! I’ve been offered diversion, but with the condition that I attend anger mgmt. classes. So I’m resisting that, trial set for 2/6.

    In The Maw

    January 22, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    • I’d taken anger management. Was a very goodprogram. I benefited greatly and did change my attitude to resolving conflicts. It’s a win-win situation. What are you facing if convicted.

      Yakov

      January 23, 2017 at 5:04 am

      • Anger management is prole.

        OldTimer

        January 23, 2017 at 11:29 am

      • Loss of gun righfs for 10 years.

        In The Maw

        January 23, 2017 at 11:41 am

      • What’s the consequences of accepting the plea? Look, it’s a pretty good program in NYC and I was pretty bad, so it worked out for me good. You know how bad you are, if you are bad though, take the program – you gonna learn a lot. I don’t think you can take it if you are acquired even you you want to. Let us know what happens. Is gonna be a jury or a judge trial? You are better off with a jury.

        Yakov

        January 23, 2017 at 2:08 pm

      • If you can, then take the plea and make sure that whatever charge you end up with is expungeable.

        map

        January 23, 2017 at 11:21 pm

  38. Heart warming news being reported on the Daily Mail that Anti-Trump protesters caught yesterday will face up to 10 years in jail and a $25,000 fine. May this set a precedent.

    roli

    January 22, 2017 at 3:34 pm

  39. O/T: four white QBs are playing today.

    gothamette

    January 22, 2017 at 6:40 pm

  40. I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but starting at 14:45 it is pure Fussell/Lion of the Blogosphere. Assange explains the efforts of the Clinton campaign to malign the social status of Trump supporters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4. Also interesting is discussion of Libya at approx. 9:40.

    Curle

    January 23, 2017 at 1:09 am

  41. Susan Collins and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana are giving the national GOP a face-saving out on Obamacare repeal: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=Some+Republicans+Wary+of+Repealing+ACA+Without+Replacement+Plan

    Hopefully the Stupid Party is smart enough to take it.

    snorlaxwp

    January 23, 2017 at 7:35 am

  42. The whitest football team imaginable is going to the Super Bowl. Uber-white Tom Brady connects for lots of yardage with former lacrosse playing white wide receiver.

    Doesn’t ANYBODY here care about that?

    gothamette

    January 23, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    • I’m sure Steve Sailer has something to say.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 23, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      • So far, he hasn’t. Maybe he’s waiting for the Super Bowl. The Patriot/Belicheck machine grinds on. They found a white former lacrosse player who played a little college football and he was the star receiver of the game.

        Yes, a former lacrosse player. Can’t get much whiter than that.

        gothamette

        January 23, 2017 at 4:34 pm

  43. “Does Trump get impeached or get two terms”

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/does-trump-get-impeached-or-get-two-terms/

    Repeats alot of the points made by commentators here but still worth reading.

    Ed

    January 23, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    • I think this is pretty good summary. The True Cons in Congress want abortion restrictions, big tax cuts, de-regulation, Obama care repeal, and big cuts to Medicaid. After that, then big cuts to Medicare and smaller cuts to Social Security.

      The abortion restrictions do nothing for the working class.

      The tax cuts will do nothing for the working class.

      The de-regulation will do nothing for working class.

      The Obama care repeal will hurt the working class unless it is replaced by something as good or better. Republicans in Congress have no intention of replacing it with anything as good, so this will hurt the working class.

      Medicaid cuts will hurt the lower end of the working class.

      Medicare cuts will badly hurt the core of Trumps supporters. Furthermore Trump promised not to cut Medicare. If he allows the true cons in Congress and on this staff to do this, I think he is dead. Of course, probably many of the Republicans in Congress would be dead too and they know it, so I don’t expect this to ever happen.

      Same for the SS cuts.

      Problem is if Trump allows the True Cons to push through a giant tax cut, then without huge cuts to Medicaid, Medicare and SS the budget deficit will explode.

      mikeca

      January 24, 2017 at 10:10 pm


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