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Trump Wednesday

It seems to me that the mainstream media has reached another new low in its reporting on President Trump. In articles (not editorials) throughout the mainstream media, they say things like “Trump fraudulently claimed” or “Trump lied.” The New York Times used that language. “Trump Repeats Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers” is a headline from the New York Times. Normally they make someone out as a liar by pretending to be neutral, but then quoting from an authoritative source to demonstrate the falsehood of the claim.

The media refuses to understand Trump at all. Trump is a bad liar. He only says what he believes, but is prone to exaggeration, sometimes outrageous exaggeration, or at least changing numbers by a factor of ten is deemed outrageous by the mainstream media. Of course it’s prole that Trump does that. I wish we could have a president with the demeanor of Mitt Romney but with Trump’s policies on immigration and Trump’s willingness to stand up to the leftwing media and political correctness.

So on Tuesday, the press demanded of Trump’s press secretary, “if Trump really believes that there were so many illegal votes, why isn’t he investigating it?” Well Trump called their bluff and is now calling for an investigation.

A victory indeed for Trump, even though there is no way that Trump will find three million illegal votes. However, If you look hard enough, I am sure you will find that there were some illegal votes, and Trump will say he was right, and then there will be impetus for election security laws. Democrats hate such laws because they know that illegal votes always benefit the Democrats.

Remember when Obama was asked a question by a Hispanic interviewer in which she poses a scenario where an illegal alien votes, and Obama refuses to say that’s illegal and instead answers a different question while the interviewer nods in rapturous agreement, creating the impression that Obama is giving the OK for illegal aliens to vote? Not only did the MSM ignore that wink-and-nod in favor of lawbreaking by Obama, they attacked those who criticized Obama for it.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 25, 2017 at 5:21 pm

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  1. Can somebody explain the wall to me, please? Is it going to be a full lenght wall or just about 1/2 of the border, the rest being covered with fence and “rivers”? And if so, wouldn’t be the symbolism missing? I want a wal that can be walked from one ocean to the other!


    January 25, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    • A wall sends a clear message that you are not allowed to cross the border, and combined with patrols and video cameras, it will indeed prevent people from crossing. Israel had huge success in reducing terrorist infiltration after building walls.

      There is also the problem that once someone sets foot across the border, even though we catch them, we don’t just shove them back to the other side. Walling off the border avoids those issues, and keeps people OUT of the United States.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 25, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      • Let’s do a minefield. *Way* cheaper and more effective.


        January 25, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      • I think that the wall should have high voltage running through it. Anyone who touches it is zapped! Dead meat! Otherwise they’ll continue playing games. Also, I think we should employ deadly robots to hunt illegals trying to cross. This is something robots should be used for because they have no values or morality. Say a robot makes a mess of some illegal family of Indian midgets, think he is gonna agonize over it or have nightmares? No way! We can just shift the responsibility for for what can be nasty business to robots. Lion, are robots up to it or not quite there yet? I don’t think we should make Mexico pay for the robots though. It just sound weird, even though it’s perfectly fair. Vincent Fox will just collapse in a fit when he hears about paying for robots. Lion, what do you think is more expensive a brick and mortar wall or an army of robots to secure the border?


        January 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      • I’ve seen the wall in Israel; in a lot of places it’s just two fences, presumably with electronic monitoring equipment between them. The point is not to have an impenetrable barrier but to make it difficult and time-consuming to get across so that the border patrol people have a chance to react. Of course, near built-up areas it really is a wall and in some places, the wall is quite high to discourage snipers.

        Perhaps ironically, on Israel’s most tense border – the one with Lebanon — there is just a simple chain-link fence in many places. Presumably this is because Southern Lebanon is tightly controlled by Hezbollah so there is little danger of random dudes deciding to infiltrate.


        January 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

      • Perhaps ironically, on Israel’s most tense border – the one with Lebanon — there is just a simple chain-link fence in many places.

        Perhaps also heavy fencing is absent to help Israeli armor and infantry move across it quickly in a campaign.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 25, 2017 at 10:06 pm

      • yes, but I was under the impression that the guards are corrupt and the fence/electronic sensors can be easily ignored by them -> hence the wall, which offers less plausible deniability and thus it should be full lenght (or tripple fence where building a wall would be costly). Remember, the democrats can go back and order less border controls, much easier done than demolishing a wall

        that was my point…

        two layers of wall would be better because tunnels


        January 26, 2017 at 8:51 am

    • Not all of the Southwestern border is easily passable on foot.

      If walling closes off the most navigable parts Trump can concentrate more border patrol agents per mile on the areas that do not have a wall.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 25, 2017 at 8:00 pm

      • It’s more efficient and cost effective to hire Whites from Middle America as border agents instead of building a wall, which cost millions. Trump is stupid in this regard. Besides, he’ll be creating jobs for those who don’t have college degrees. Essentially, his idea of eliminating cushy DC-office work for NAMs, so funds could be redirected for border enforcement is a sound idea.


        January 26, 2017 at 1:12 am

    • Another wall question: I’ve heard it said MANY times (there’s one in this thread) that there are areas of the border where a wall (or fence) simply can’t be built. Has anyone seen any photos of such areas? I can’t seem to find any. Maybe it’s too rugged for cameras as well as walls…

      Richard Bicker

      January 26, 2017 at 12:46 am

  2. “Says increasingly nervous man for the seventh time this year…”



    January 25, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    • If the wall keeps getting 10 feet taller, pretty soon it’ll be visible from San Antonio.


      January 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

  3. Hillary got millions of illegal votes (whether through fraud, illegals or otherwise). Trump will put a stop to this to a very great extent and is just one of the reasons his re-election in 2020 is a sure thing (on 2020, watched Corey Booker for the first time during these confirmation hearings. The man is utterly unimpressive and a total dud with none of the natural talent of Obama. He is no threat to Trump).

    Andrew E.

    January 25, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    • I don’t believe she got millions of fraudulent votes. A few hundred thousand at most.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

      • yeah wishful thinking on trumps supporters behalf therre. she probably got a lot of fraudulant votes but not enough to bridge the gap. is it really that hard to believe that winning the popular vote has become an uphill climb for republicans; its demography 101 at this point

        james n.s.w

        January 25, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      • It’s more about the demography of California specifically.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 25, 2017 at 7:11 pm

      • “I don’t believe she got millions of fraudulent votes. A few hundred thousand at most.”

        Thing is, the media are trotting out their pet experts that say there is no such thing as voter fraud. At all. Studies show! That sets the goalposts very near.

        If Trump’s investigation can show tens of thousands of fraudulent votes, then he can declare victory and move on to enacting stricter voting laws. Remember, a few thousand votes could have changed the results of the elections in key Midwestern states.


        January 25, 2017 at 11:20 pm

    • I think it’s quite plausible that a million votes or more (out of about 129m) were fraudulent. Nor would I be surprised if it was much more than that.

      Anyone remember that the recount was dropped like a hot potato once they started looking at Detroit? I think voting fraud is endemic and systematic in black districts, and augmented by illegals voting in latino districts. (Though legend has it that latinos aren’t into voting, on the other hand, the situation was special this year.) And on top of that, there can be more spontaneous shenanigans by party machines as the situation may require.

      That’s without even counting the morally fraudulent votes of the offspring of illegals, amnestied illegals, etc.


      January 26, 2017 at 5:09 am

  4. Trump is not so dumb. He understands that when he says “illegals voted,” the subtext is that all the immigrants who came here under the Hart-Cellar Act changed the ethnic composition of the country so that he would have won by a larger margin (and Romney and McCain would have beat Obama) if we didn’t have so many Hispanics here. That’s my take on it, at least.

    Also, fudging some numbers isn’t lying to the degree that the Left lies. Trump says, “I’ve got X amount of dollars” when he really has “Y.” Liberals say an X or a Y chromosome don’t really determine anything. You can only lie effectively when the truth is concealed. People with eyes can see Trump’s enemies are full of it on race, gender, Islam, immigration, etc. He’s a liar but less of a liar than we’ve had in the White House in a long, long time.


    January 25, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    • The number of US citizen descendants of illegal aliens is substantially larger than Hillary’s margin of victory.


      January 25, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    • I sometimes go on reddit, and have many times seen people saying that race is a social construct and has nothing to do with genetics. This is apparently taught in universities now. And a lot of people seem to really believe it–a lot of really stupid people I guess. It boggles the mind that anyone could think that. Do they think that it just a coincidence that, say, Chinese people have Chinese babies?


      January 25, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      • It’s understandable that you being a White Canadian from British Columbia, aren’t too fond of the Chinese who overpopulate much of the province.

        I just want to reiterate that this is ongoing problem with all White-majority Anglosphere domains. I’ve met quite a number of White Americans in French Speaking Canada, who are studying science/engineering in a French Speaking University, simply because there aren’t many East Asians enrolled in their programs due to the language barrier.

        French Canadians are generally not very fond of non-Whites, unless they are come across as a native and well versed in their culture, which is not common at all. The Chinese faces that I saw in Québec city were all tourist types. In Montréal, most East Asians study in Anglophone schools and congregate in English speaking neighborhoods like the Westmount and my neighborhood of Mont-Royal, which has a lot of Anglophones.


        January 25, 2017 at 10:40 pm

      • You’re right; it’s insane. And yet, as stupid as it is, to believe race is a social construct is so much less stupid than to believe that GENDER is a social construct, which they all also believe. It is really astonishing, and actually somewhat frightening.

        Two in the Bush

        January 26, 2017 at 12:39 am

      • And by the way, beside East Asians, Pakistanis/Hindus are hardly on the radar in French Speaking Canada. Any brownies you come across are North Africans. It makes a lot sense since it was the British who taught them the game of cricket. I saw more Hindus in Newfoundland-Labrador than in Montréal.


        January 26, 2017 at 1:00 am

      • “…when it comes to aspects of the biological basis of human behavior, with the exception of homosexual orientation, liberals are highly resistant to accepting any differences across groups because of their adherence to social constructionism… To give a concrete example of how far this goes, there are many liberal Left people who won’t even accede to the proposition that men are, on average, stronger in terms of upper body strength than women. A few years ago this came up on social media, where a friend who has a biology background from an elite university, even expressed skepticism at this, when I was trying to get her to be open to behavioral differences between the sexes by starting with something I thought she would at least agree with as reasonable. When I saw the lack of unequivocal acceptance of this point I decided to opt out of the conversation. This was basically face to face with Left Creationism.”

        Razib Khan


        January 26, 2017 at 4:47 am

      • @ JS

        ” I’ve met quite a number of White Americans in French Speaking Canada, who are studying science/engineering in a French Speaking University, simply because there aren’t many East Asians enrolled in their programs due to the language barrier.”


        UBC is almost entirely Chinese in the sciences. My son said he was almost the only white student in a class of over 100.


        January 26, 2017 at 12:24 pm

      • @ Two in the Bush who wrote:
        “as stupid as it is, to believe race is a social construct is so much less stupid than to believe that GENDER is a social construct, which they all also believe. It is really astonishing, and actually somewhat frightening.”


        Unbelievable. And these lunatics accuse Trump of being anti-science.


        January 26, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • “I sometimes go on reddit, and have many times seen people saying that race is a social construct and has nothing to do with genetics. This is apparently taught in universities now.”

        The idea that race is a purely social construct began in the 1950s. Later on, professors like Steven Jay Gould, Richard Lewontin, Leo Kamin, and Ashley Montagu argued for an extreme environmental position vis-a-vis race and IQ and then sociobiology.

        Lewis Medlock

        January 26, 2017 at 3:59 pm

      • The idea that race is a purely social construct began in the 1950s.

        As a science radical environmentalism originated from a number of different theories and academic fields.

        In America the two major ones were the radical Behaviorist psychology of John B Watson in the early 20th century which was then managed by the equally extreme BF Skinner. The second were the successors to Franz Boas’ original anthropology such as Ruth Benedict, Alfred Kroeber, and Meade. There were also numerous other environmentalist Progressives such as Lester Frank Ward who denied racial differences.

        It should be pointed out that Boas himself was a moderate on race differences. It was his successors who took his initially centrist ideas in a direction he did not originally plan for.

        Physical anthropologist Peter Frost discards the myth Boas was an extreme environmentalist here:

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 26, 2017 at 5:14 pm

  5. Comments from NeoGaf:

    On restricting travel to the US from 7 Muslim countries: “This is the closest America has ever come to turning into the Reich.”

    On reporting crimes by illegalsl: “This is literally the sort of thing the Nazis did, except they were targeting the Poles.”

    On the same issue: “So how long until they force undocumented immigrants to wear a distinctive sign?”

    Yet another poster on the same issue: “Holy fuck! How much hatred is his going to stir up amongst his brown shirted supporters?? How many more hate crime attacks will this give rise to against innocent minorities? This is beyond terrifying, this is insane third reich shit.”

    General reactions: “How a whole country turned from “the land of the free” into a fascist, demagogue-lead, anti-science semi-dictatorship, led by nazis and censorship within a week.”

    “He’ destroying the very core of America in mere days. It’s fascinatingly scary. He’s unstopabble. Your system have failed you.”

    By the way, these are all comments from the first 2 pages of a single thread. They have about 50 more threads just like it.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 25, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    • Since you love going there Otis why not create an account and go along with the hysteria and post increasingly bizarre tirades about how horrible Trump is.

      Feed the beast!


      January 25, 2017 at 11:32 pm

      • I can’t. It’s a “closed” site. The only way to get an account is to have an Xbox live account or a similar gaming network account.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 26, 2017 at 5:36 am

      • An Xbox Live account is the same as a Microsoft account, which is free.


        January 28, 2017 at 2:34 am

  6. NeoGaf (referencing Reddit) starts talking about an armed uprising:

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 25, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    • My son takes it very seriously. He says we should all get weapons and form militias. I think militias are a good idea. You never know.


      January 25, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    • If you were a woman, The Undiscovered Jew would call you a pussy, or ask you if you are panicking.

      I hear what you’re saying, Otis. There’s a tremendous amount of rage on the left, and it’s gonna be coming out in the next four years.

      On twitter, the war is about DACA. The Kaus wing is accusing Trump of reneging on DACA. The Conservative Treehouse (total Trump fanatics, who can blame them, they were behind him 100% from the start) is saying he’s right to wait until Sessions is confirmed. I tend to agree with them.

      What do people here think? Lion, what say you? I’m with the Treehouse. For substantive reasons but also, I don’t think it’s a great idea to be so pushy with your guy in the first week. I mean, geez, none of us thought he’d be president. All during the campaign we were nervous that he’d wimp out, he hasn’t so far, so let’s cut him some slack.

      I still find it surreal that he was even elected, and was inaugurated.


      January 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm

      • Did you read the Vox leaks? Trump is going to end DACA as well.

        I agree that there is no reason to touch DACA at all in Trump’s first term. It’s a fight we don’t need. Let’s just build the wall, end sanctuary cities, cut off illegals benefits, have mass deportations from the interior (I’d like 1.5 million deported by the midterms) and mandatory e-verify. DACA is a distraction.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      • No, haven’t read the Vox leaks. I’ll look around but in the meantime do you have links?

        I’d love for Trump to end DACA as soon as possible, after Sessions is confirmed. I agree with the Treehouse that ending DACA before confirmation would place a noose around Sessions’ neck.

        I don’t know what “end sanctuary cities” means. Can you clarify?

        Deportations? In your dreams. In the same world where we pour molten lava into the drug cartels’ tunnels.

        I do think that with E-verify we would have self-deportation.

        We’ll know that the program is working when restaurant help wanted signs are in English again. But who will fill those jobs? Blacks? Be careful what you wish for.


        January 25, 2017 at 10:37 pm

      • I enjoy Otis’ updates from Neogaf. To know the other side is to be a better shitlord.

        Also, there’s no harm in keeping the pressure on. At the margins it helps prompt Trump to act and/or avoid backsliding, while also helping make him look more moderate whether he acts or doesn’t.


        January 25, 2017 at 9:37 pm

      • “I enjoy Otis’ updates from Neogaf.”

        Me too. In fact I even read some of it. Good for a laugh.


        January 25, 2017 at 10:37 pm

      • On twitter, the war is about DACA. The Kaus wing is accusing Trump of reneging on DACA. The Conservative Treehouse (total Trump fanatics, who can blame them, they were behind him 100% from the start) is saying he’s right to wait until Sessions is confirmed. I tend to agree with them.

        I’ll side with the Treehouse faction for now.

        According to Robert Costa the Trump team is still deliberating over what specifically to do with DACA but that Trump’s instincts are to favor the recommendations of Sessions, Miller, and Bannon.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 25, 2017 at 10:08 pm

      • At the margins it helps prompt Trump to act and/or avoid backsliding, while also helping make him look more moderate whether he acts or doesn’t.

        True, but independent of the question whether Trump has gone pussy on DACA or is sneaking up from behind to grab it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 25, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      • I’m ok with a quick dispatch of DACA as well as a slow one.

        In general, I prefer starting with the low-hanging fruit, the easy stuff, and then slicing ever larger chunks. Piece by piece…death by a thousand cuts. The left is so unhinged that even over very reasonable things they go nuts. It’s fun to watch.


        January 25, 2017 at 10:48 pm

      • OK, I found the Vox leaks webpage, it was pretty easy. Leaking already? I don’t like this, unless they were intentional.

        There is a demonstration, hashtag #cair4all, going on in Washington Square park now. As long as the direct action is confined to stupid shit like this, I’m all for it. I especially love the idea of NYC’s Jewish establishment being forced to support this. My state assemblywoman is Linda Rosenthal, an orthodox woman who wears a wig, my council member is Helen Rosenthal, my congressman is Jerry Nadler. Let them be forced to take a stand in favor of CAIR. I love it.

        Probably the demonstration is peaceful because really, NYers don’t like violence. Portland and Seattle will be a different matter altogether.


        January 25, 2017 at 11:06 pm

      • “’m ok with a quick dispatch of DACA as well as a slow one.

        In general, I prefer starting with the low-hanging fruit, the easy stuff, and then slicing ever larger chunks.”

        I don’t think DACA is low hanging fruit. I think going after DACA this early would cause a Republican Party rebellion. The party is still controlled by Ryan/Establishment types and DACA represents the single most sympathetic group of illegals. It’s such a small number anyway I would just keep deferring a decision on them until the second term.

        Mike Street Station

        January 26, 2017 at 7:50 am

      • I have to say, I don’t understand why DACA became *the* thing, but it has, and very quickly.

        I think everyone should calm down, and let Reagan be Reagan, oh sorry, let Trump be Trump for a while. There’s nothing more annoying than camp followers that get pissy at every little thing. This is different from the Romney for SecState, which caused a rebellion.

        That all seems so long ago. Trump is not going to wuss out. He meant what he said about immigration & trade.


        January 26, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    • At the political forum I go to, there have been several threads created on using the 25th Amendment to stage a coup d’etat. These people are insane.

      Mike Street Station

      January 26, 2017 at 7:45 am

      • There was a pretty decent 1994 HBO film with Forrest Whitaker called The Enemy Within which deals with an attempted coup by the military using the 25th Amendment.

        Andrew E.

        January 26, 2017 at 11:19 am

  7. >>“So how long until they force undocumented immigrants to wear a distinctive sign?”….

    Well, many Muslim women already willingly wear a distinctive sign, the Hijab. In fact that agitate at every opportunity to impose it’s presence on the rest of us, eg. driver’s license.

    If you live near Queens, Brooklyn or New Jersey you will note that a fair number of Muslim mean also wear distinctive clothing, those white pajama looking outfits, funny knitted hats and beaded necklaces.

    Being the crybabies that they are, many Muslims can’t resist drawing attention to themselves.


    January 25, 2017 at 7:42 pm

  8. On NeoGaf one guy said that after 80 years, Hitler has finally won.

    Uh, yeah Hitler won by the US enforcing its immigration laws, something it did very aggressively before, during and for decades after WW2.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 25, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    • That neogaf stuff is awesome in its over-the-top silliness.

      The best was the guy who wondered how he would defeat the conservatives when the government and the right-wingers are so heavily armed, while he is basically out of shape and unarmed.

      This is a wise man.


      January 25, 2017 at 10:50 pm

  9. The view from Canada: Canada being the lefty paradise that it is has always taken a very dim view of Trump. Things are however starting to improve markedly. Yesterday’s news that the President had signed an agreement to build 2 new pipelines was greeted with delight in the Western Canadian region where the pipelines will flow and create new jobs and the CBC comments section was flooded wth pro-Trump comments. The MSM in Canada though continues to be resolutely hateful of Trump, with a popular columnists churning out column after column of pure bile. Our hyper-progressive Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s biggest accomplishment since getting elected has been to bring 38,000 Syrian refugees into Canada. Incidentally, here’s a picture of our Prime Minister at Pride Parade last years:


    January 25, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    • man that guy is handsome. How old is he?

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      • He is 45 and has really nice hair. You can have him if you give us Trump.


        January 25, 2017 at 9:54 pm

      • I could hook you up with his grindr account if you’re interested.


        January 25, 2017 at 10:13 pm

      • Being a person in my 30s, seeing a Turdeu/Trudope is refreshing to say the least.

        Most of our American politicos (including Trump-Dump) are rotting fresh.


        January 26, 2017 at 1:21 am

      • * rotting flesh…


        January 26, 2017 at 1:21 am

    • Now that Trudope has appointed a Somali as immigration minister and Trump has barred Somalis from the US, I suppose we will be flooded with them. Somalis are the worst immigrants in the world and cause nothing but trouble where ever they go.


      January 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      • Yes Trudeau is truly the anti-Trump, making Canada pathetic.


        January 26, 2017 at 12:42 am

    • The Prime Minster’s mom got the Stones to write a song about her. Here’s part of a verse:

      You don’t worry about the things that you used to be
      You’re a rag-trade girl, you’re the queen of porn
      You’re the easiest lay on the White House lawn

      I wonder if the boy hipster is ashamed or proud of her. Hey, Dad got cucked by Mick Jagger!


      January 26, 2017 at 12:12 am

      • Very interesting…is this a confirmed story?

        Btw, has anyone actually read the lyrics to “Brown Sugar?”


        January 26, 2017 at 4:06 am

      • From People magazine, 1977:

        ““President Carter didn’t frown at my short dress,” she says. “Pierre said I should wear it. He used not to like me wearing my sexy clothes, but not anymore. If I don’t feel like wearing a bra I don’t wear one. I’d never let my nipples show at a state function though—I’d be frightened the old men would have heart attacks.”

        “But it was her spending the night at the Stones’ Toronto hotel after being Mick’s guest at their El Macombo Club concert that set tongues clucking.”


        January 27, 2017 at 12:50 am

    • “Trudeau’s biggest accomplishment since getting elected has been to bring 38,000 Syrian refugees into Canada.”

      Yes but has he brought in gay and transgender Syrian refugees? There is still much work to be done…

      Mike Street Station

      January 26, 2017 at 8:04 am

      • Yes true, like he makes every effort to appeal to the lowest denominator of liberal idiocy.


        January 26, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    • University educated Canadians don’t like Trump, but i have yet to find a single white non-university educated white Canadian who doesn’t like him except for one white Muslim from Eastern Europe. There are many bars and restaraunts in Canada where everyone is pro-trump. Ethnic Genetic Interests trump Canadian liberalism


      January 26, 2017 at 4:35 pm

  10. Of course illegals vote in elections.

    1. Democrats repeatedly boasted from after the end of election 2012 to the end of 2016 that they now enjoyed a permanent electoral majority. I’ll never forget Stephen Colbert gloating about it when Romney lost. The long term strategy for the Democrats to reduce the proportion of white American voters to those of ethnic minorities. This is why they’re so upset about Trump issuing executive orders which bar Muslim refugees from ISISland from entering the country and building a wall.

    2. With this in mind, why would Democrats in principle stand against illegals voting? All this does is expedite their long term strategy. Really, if you think millions of people should break the law to come to America so their children will vote Democrat, why would you be against those same millions breaking the law again to vote Democrat?

    3. Democrats in general have a poor record of respecting electoral integrity. JFK won in 1960 because of voting irregularities. LBJ won races in Texas because of ballot stuffing. Democrats think it should be easier to vote than to buy a beer (behold their outrage regarding voter ID laws).

    Were there three million illegal votes in Hillary’s favor? Let’s find out. The left pressed for recounts in a number of Rust Belt states and have propounded conspiracy theories about Russians hacking the election. They have no right to complain about countervailing charges.


    January 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    • Of course illegals vote. What prevents it? Just show up at a polling station and give your name and address.


      January 25, 2017 at 10:54 pm

      • I personally know a “Dreamer” who rented an Astro van and filled it up with all her amigos muchos times to take them to vote against Trump. Anyone who doesn’t think they vote – especially against Trump – is naive. Now, do I think 3 million of them voted? No, but that’s just Trump exaggerating like usual.

        Two in the Bush

        January 26, 2017 at 9:19 am

  11. For most of the past week I’ve been feeling more and more upbeat every day. I guess that’s what WINNING! ™ feels like.


    January 26, 2017 at 12:17 am

    • Yes winning has been an unfamiliar feeling for a long time. I think I might get used to it.

      Mike Street Station

      January 26, 2017 at 8:08 am

  12. Semi-OT: What do we think about the potential move of the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem? Having thought about it a little, it seems like Trump’s boxed himself in a bit here.

    If he reneges, a lot of the ex-NeverTrumper neocons in the conservative media who’ve warmed to him will go back to hating him. And the MSM will hit him for breaking a campaign promise.

    On the other hands, I’ve been seeing a lot of MSM thinkpieces like this one which are pretty blatantly dogwhistling that they’d welcome another Intifada if Trump goes through with it. The MSM would start blaming Trump and his embassy move for every act terrorism everywhere in the world.

    Worse, if it provoked another OPEC embargo like in the 70’s, it would almost certainly send us into recession, and in that case the chances of Trump being reelected drop to close to zero. He could maybe get Putin to bail us out, but that would be perceived as confirmation of all the conspiracy theories, and would cause immense political damage in its own right.

    As I see it there are three ways the administration can try to effectively finesse the issue:

    Don’t move the embassy:
    * Do a good cop/bad cop routine with David Friedman and Jared Kushner. Friedman wants to move the embassy but Kushner says no. (This is probably the safest choice, and it seems like it may be the option they’re actually going with).

    Move the embassy:
    * Wait for Bibi to do something that provokes Fatah into restarting its armed campaign (probably annexing West Bank settlements), then only afterwards move the embassy to Jerusalem, so Bibi shoulders most of the perceived blame in the foreign media for provoking violence, not Trump. (Still doesn’t address the OPEC issue, so I’d be wary of this one).

    * Lean on or bribe [Egyptian President] Sisi and/or the Saudis to in turn use their influence with Fatah and OPEC to keep the response to the embassy move minimal. (This presumes they’re willing and have the ability to do so, which is not necessarily a safe assumption).


    January 26, 2017 at 3:52 am

    • Fourth option that just occurred to me is to see if Bibi would do us a favor and make a public statement to the effect that he’d prefer the embassy weren’t moved at this time. (This would presumably hurt Bibi domestically, so it may be a non-starter).


      January 26, 2017 at 4:00 am

  13. That second paragraph is spot on.

    3 million illegal votes may sound like a lot. But that’s only 2%. And there are lots of ways people can vote illegally. They may not be eligible such as illegals and felons. They may vote in a state they’re not allowed. The may vote under another person’s name. Or it may just be stuffing the ballot box. Regardless of the actual numbers, I’m sure they’ll uncover a few organized voter fraud schemes at various places. I think it’s worth investigating and making an example of them if only to scare people out of doing it.

    I support walls and fences for heavily traveled areas near towns, roads, etc. But there’s no point in rural, isolated areas that aren’t monitored. Because the border patrol will just end up spending all their time repairing fences that have been cut.

    Plus, the further you get from towns and roads the less necessary walls and fences become. There’s no point in putting a fence in the desert 50 miles from the nearest road. Because someone would have to walk 50 miles to get to the road once they crossed. That’s a big hurdle. They’d be walking several days through the desert carrying several gallons of water. And if smugglers arranged for a vehicle to pick them up it would be easily spotted by unmanned drones. Even at night, thermal imaging cameras easily pick up people and vehicles.

    So the best thing is walls and fences near easily accessible areas. Drones and sensors in rural areas. And make it impossible to live illegally in America by requiring employers and landlords to use e-verify. But the violations have to be prosecuted with heavy fines and jail time.


    January 26, 2017 at 2:45 pm

    • “They’d be walking several days through the desert carrying several gallons of water.”

      Well they do, so maybe requiring them to add fence-cutting equipment makes it impossible.

      The problem with drones is that once illegal border-crossers set foot in the United States, there is a lack of political will to immediately transport them back across the border. Under the Obama policy, they are allowed to go free and are expected to report to a deportation hearing later on their own recognizance. Like that’s going to happen.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 26, 2017 at 2:53 pm

      • Yeah, if the drone spots a vehicle it’s too late. As soon as they set foot on US soil they’re entitled to fight deportation in court, claim asylum, claim to be “dreamers” etc, to say nothing of catch-and-release. And the Border Patrol can’t cross over to the Mexican side.


        January 26, 2017 at 3:10 pm

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