Lion of the Blogosphere

The George Soros scare

InfoWars thinks he’s an evil mastermind, but based on the hack I previously noted in a blog post, it seems to me that Soros’ organization primarily provides a lot of make-work jobs for SJW types to write long papers that no one reads but other SJWs.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 26, 2017 at 6:06 pm

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  1. No he’s a bad guy. He and his people get access at the highest levels.

    Victor Orban believes he was an the center of causing the migrant flood in Europe:
    http://www.vdare.com/posts/europes-muslim-immivasion-hungarys-pm-blames-george-soross-circle-of-activists

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-soros-heres-my-plan-to-solve-the-asylum-chaos-2015-09-29

    He and his people were top advisors to Hillary and she seemed to go almost full open borders. Please read this article and tell me Soros is no big deal:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/20/hillary-clinton-embraces-george-soros-radical-visi/

    Dan

    January 26, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    • So he wastes a lot of money by giving it away to liberal groups.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 26, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      • Soros is extremely influential and is therefore dangerous. And he’s a globalist, his influence stretches across the liberal world. He lost in the US this time, but he hasn’t gone away. To my mind, he’s a bit like Holmes’ nemesis, Moriarty. And Holmes never underestimated him!

        The lioncub

        January 26, 2017 at 6:50 pm

      • It’s like the old joke about advertising: 90 percent of it’s wasted, but you have no idea what 90 percent!

        He throws a lot of money at liberals. Most of it goes to buy kale and Manhattan apartments. A little of it goes on to do liberal things.

        SFG

        January 26, 2017 at 8:31 pm

      • It’s like the old joke about advertising: 90 percent of it’s wasted, but you have no idea what 90 percent!

        He throws a lot of money at liberals.

        The money he gives is not terribly relevant since liberals would have exactly the same policy objectives if Soros had never existed. Do you think they would not be for open borders without him?

        He was also late donating to all this nonsense – his donation activity indicates he didn’t really start until he founded Moveon.org to save Bill Clinton from impeachment.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 12:16 am

      • Please read this article and tell me Soros is no big deal:

        He isn’t. Count the number of times he appears the thousands of Wikileak emails from Podesta’s files with the number of times Soros appears in them. It’s a small fraction.

        And as for Europe’s immigration crisis, the hacked emails from Soros’ organizations indicate he was not pleased with Merkel trying to act as an intermediary between the West and Russia over Ukraine. Why is that Soros did not have control over Merkel on Ukraine but is controlling her on immigration?

        As badly as Brimelow needs his +$300,000 salary made up of donations largely from dumb antisemites, you don’t suppose that maybe Merkel freely chose her own actions on refugees instead of Soros?

        We can’t have gentiles ever accept blame for the immigration problems they caused, that fundraiser for VDare’s advanced 1994 web graphics isn’t going to pay for itself.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 12:45 am

      • This “canard” that Soros funds liberal anarchists, sounds just as bad as fluoride in the water, which are linked to various cognition impairments prevalent in America like ADHD.

        JS

        January 27, 2017 at 12:46 am

      • Brimelow has a +$300,000 salary? Where’d you hear that?

        Tom

        January 27, 2017 at 1:18 am

      • Some of Soros’ apparent projects have gotten quite a lot of attention, e.g. J-Street and Black Lives Matter. Money helps these groups get attention by paying for conferences, buses for rent-a-mobs, etc.

        What’s interesting about J-Street is that Soros attempted to hide his involvement as I recall. It came out through luck.

        Probably Soros secretly funds a lot of things. I think he was probably behind the women’s march on Washington last week. Which was obviously an anti-Trump march dressed up as a womens’ rights march.

        I also agree with Lion that Soros wastes a lot of money. Probably 90% of his largesse goes to liberal nonsense which is a complete waste of time. So basically I agree with SFG on this point. He wastes a lot of money but he’s still bad news.

        Incidentally, this sort of manipulation is a big problem in Israel. There are a decent number of Jewish Israelis there who are extremely anti-Israel almost to the point of mental illness. Nobody would listen to them or take them seriously except that some of them are quietly funded from overseas by anti-Israel people and groups with money.

        sabril

        January 27, 2017 at 5:49 am

      • Again, Soros funding anarchists is unfounded.

        JS

        January 27, 2017 at 10:14 am

      • Nobody besides maybe a few weird schizophrenics is claiming that Soros invented or personally controls all of leftism. Even the antisemite Nazi types would concede a role for the Rothschilds, “neocons,” Rahm Emanuel, Lloyd Blankfein, that Barbara Specter woman in Sweden that they’re obsessed with, etc.

        What people are saying is that Soros is the #1 individual donor to leftist causes worldwide, and in the US and Europe in particular, which is an objectively true statement (if not every year then certainly in total over the past 20).

        Soros is also unusual in that he funds every kind of left-wing group, from the Davos-Brookings-neoliberal-globalist side to the SJW-antifa-anticapitalist side, and everything in between (environmentalists, gun control, pro-Palestinians, and so on). Usually, the big donors stick to the Davos types and/or a single pet cause (i.e. Steyer).

        snorlaxwp

        January 27, 2017 at 11:20 am

      • There are a decent number of Jewish Israelis there who are extremely anti-Israel almost to the point of mental illness.

        Israelis are less afflicted by this mental illness than most white people (which reflects well on Israelis as a people).

        The proportion of Jewish Israelis who are anti-Jewish Israelis nearly to the point of mental illness is maybe 10% (Meretz vote peaked at 9.6% in 1992; some Labor voters also qualify but Israel is a lot more right-wing than it was back then).

        The proportion of white Americans and western Europeans who are anti-white nearly to the point of mental illness is in the 30-40% range (which is a pretty consistent figure; the suicidal parties always got that in old South Africa, which you’d never see in Israel, see also McGovern/Nixon, Giuliani and Bloomberg’s elections, Louise Day Hicks vs. Kevin White in Boston, California 1992-98 — after the LA riots! OJ verdict! Startlingly-obvious immivasion!).

        The Israeli crazies are also somewhat less suicidal than the Americans/Europeans; withdrawing from the West Bank and letting African illegals stay is crazy, but not quite as crazy as #RefugeesWelcome-#NoBorders-We-want-pigs-in-a-blanket-Whites-must-suffer-for-their-racism.

        snorlaxwp

        January 27, 2017 at 11:56 am

      • Nobody besides maybe a few weird schizophrenics is claiming that Soros invented or personally controls all of leftism. Even the antisemite Nazi types would concede a role for the Rothschilds, “neocons,” Rahm Emanuel, Lloyd Blankfein, that Barbara Specter woman in Sweden that they’re obsessed with, etc.

        That doesn’t strengthen their case.

        The Rothschilds are Anglo-Saxon socialites – even the eldest patriarch of the family, Jacob Rothschild, has an ethnically English mother. The neocons have been out of power since Obama was president, Emanuel discouraged Obama from passing comprehensive immigration reform and has nothing to do with Europe’s self-inflicted crisis, Blankfein I haven’t seen put himself out there for amnesty, and Specter is a nobody in Sweden.

        What people are saying is that Soros is the #1 individual donor to leftist causes worldwide, and in the US and Europe in particular, which is an objectively true statement (if not every year then certainly in total over the past 20).

        The donations are still not essential to the left. They would work just as well without his political contributions.

        The focus on Soros (in the US at least) has more to do with American antisemites trying to deflect blame from Europe’s self-created problems onto Soros.

        Jacques Delors is objectively worse than Soros is; the former created an entire currency designed not to serve economic prosperity to dissolve European nationalism as a force (and the EU wonders why the currency is failing!).

        If Soros (or another Jew like Dominque Strauss Kahn) had led the pre-Maastricht committee that prepared the way for the euro, Soros’ chairmanship would be the first thing antisemites would mention about.

        But because Delors is a Catholic French bureaucrat, none of the antisemites care. Their complete hypocrites who just want to blame Jews for immigration problems caused by gentiles.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      • Undiscovered Jews,

        “For example, there was much made about a Soros organization handing out pamphlets to the “refugees” explaining what their legal rights in Europe were. What wasn’t mentioned was that the EU had already mandated immigrants have their numerous “rights” explained to them by lawyers, so Soros’ actions were largely redundant with what immigration bureaucrats had already imposed years before Soros became a political player.”

        C’mon, what are you talking about? You think refugees would have had the wherewithal to read and understand EU edicts and then be able to act on them? Or even seek out the attorneys all on their own to help them navigate the system? And how would these attorneys be paid to help all of these refugees once they showed up at the door? Imagining that some edict actually does anything without the money and personnel to back it is like imagining the Trail of Tears never happening because the “Supreme Court” made some ruling.

        It’s beyond naive to think that a multi-billionaire angel investor in left-wing causes is having none to minimal impact on the spread and acceleration of leftism in Europe and America. It’s even more naive to imagine that his billions don’t afford him outright control over personnel and policy. Remember, the issue is not whether leftists would still be leftist without George Soros. The issue is whether leftism remains dorm-trash discussion fodder or it manages to take to the streets and govern. The fact that leftism is an institutional force is directly due to the funding provided by people like George Soros. Why do you think leftists are so hysterical over EMILY’s lists and the Koch Brothers?

        No less a personage and fellown Jew than Michael Savage has called George Soros the most evil man in America. Savage has singularly berated Soros on his radio show, which reaches millions of people. As for evidence? Well, the absence of any libel suits against those who accuse Soros of being this master manipulator. I guess he doesn’t welcome discovery.

        You can criticize overtly anti-white and anti-gentile Jews for their activities without overtly criticzing their Jewishness, you know. Mike Savage does it all of the time.

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 1:16 am

      • “It’s beyond naive to think that a multi-billionaire angel investor in left-wing causes is having none to minimal impact on the spread and acceleration of leftism in Europe and America. ”

        It’s quite reasonable to believe that his impact is relative to the amount of money he donates compared to total donations to left-wing causes, which could be minimal. Also, there’s evidence that a lot of his donations create make-work jobs for SJWs without actually accomplishing much.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      • Proles representing!

        Rifleman

        January 28, 2017 at 2:27 am

      • C’mon, what are you talking about? You think refugees would have had the wherewithal to read and understand EU edicts and then be able to act on them? Or even seek out the attorneys all on their own to help them navigate the system?

        I told you they are given legal representation as mandated by EU law. Since the EU is a government they can spend even more money than Soros is worth by just raising taxes. Because they can tax they need his money at all, though they will take what he gives.

        They can also force member states to waste billions of euros in welfare of various kinds on the immigrants.

        It’s beyond naive to think that a multi-billionaire angel investor in left-wing causes is having none to minimal impact on the spread and acceleration of leftism in Europe and America.

        It’s not naive if you would bother to read about basic facts in the history of post-WWII European integration and realized that the whole nation dissolving objectives of the European Union predate Soros political activities by decades:

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/08/ukips_nigel_farage_your_moment_is_here_greece_take_back_your_country.html

        NIGEL FARAGE: Thank you. What we’re seeing in this chamber this morning and indeed across the whole of Europe is an irreconcilable cultural difference between Greece and Germany. A split between the North and the South of Europe. The European project is actually beginning to die. Nobody in this room will recognise that the peoples of Europe are saying, we were never asked whether we want in this. This has been foisted upon on us and we need to understand why the EMU doesn’t work. Those monsters Kohl and Mitterrand, backed up by the clever but dangerous Delors believed that if they put in place an economic and monetary union then as night follows day, there would be political union and there would be an acceptance of this project and the North and South of Europe would converge. That we would all start to love each other and we would all start to feel a European identity, that we would all start to show allegiance to the flag and the anthem.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    • No he’s a bad guy. He and his people get access at the highest levels.

      He’s an evil man but not essential to Globalism and not the cause of immigration or Globalism generally. He made few contributions to politics before 1998. What prompted him to become a big donor and apparently go bonkers was the impeachment of Bill Clinton and then the Iraq War. He opposed both impeachment and the war because he thought they were extreme right projects.

      He was so angry about Bush’s (supposed) militarism that he spent hundreds of millions to elect Kerry in 2004 where he came within one state (Ohio) of seeing Bush dethroned.

      The Europeans largely screwed themselves by tying themselves down with “Human Rights” legislation that makes it almost impossible for member states of the EU to enforce immigration laws. What laws are passed are often struck down by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. For example, there was much made about a Soros organization handing out pamphlets to the “refugees” explaining what their legal rights in Europe were. What wasn’t mentioned was that the EU had already mandated immigrants have their numerous “rights” explained to them by lawyers, so Soros’ actions were largely redundant with what immigration bureaucrats had already imposed years before Soros became a political player.

      I can name a number of founders of the EU who are worse than Soros in terms of Globalist crimes. One example of this is Jacques Delors who chaired the committee that set the foundation for the launch of the euro currency as a way to repress nationalist sentiments.

      But few people in the US pays attention to the actions of the EU bureaucrats over many decades who are mainly responsible for all of the problems in Europe, both those related to immigration and not related to immigration:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Delors
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delors_Commission

      He and his people were top advisors to Hillary and she seemed to go almost full open borders. Please read this article and tell me Soros is no big deal:

      They agreed with Soros but there’s no evidence didn’t already think the same thing before 1998. He also isn’t mentioned that often in the tens of thousands of emails released by Wikileaks. If had never been born Clinton would still be for open borders.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 26, 2017 at 7:04 pm

      • Of course he is essential to globalism because he funds the machinery needed to push the edicts.

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 1:22 am

      • Not the only guy providing funding.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    • So he wastes a lot of money by giving it away to liberal groups.

      Aside from donations to existing activist groups, most of what they do is write reports and then circulate them to other liberal politicians. The elite politicians were fully for open borders decades before his donations and research papers but it gives a false appearance he is the one giving orders to liberals who would otherwise be for closed borders. In truth he’s mostly participating with elites in projects they started decades before he got involved with them.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 26, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      • He funded the Ferguson Riots to the tune of $40 million.

        52 groups represented at the Ashley Judd Slut Walk were funded by George Soros.

        He funded BLM with $80 million.

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 1:23 am

      • He didn’t personally write a check, groups that alt-righters associate with Soros (because he donates to them) provided the money. His influence is being exaggerated because they need a bogeyman (just as leftwingers often look at the Koch family as bogeymen).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2017 at 12:21 pm

      • Lion,

        “He didn’t personally write a check, groups that alt-righters associate with Soros (because he donates to them) provided the money. His influence is being exaggerated because they need a bogeyman (just as leftwingers often look at the Koch family as bogeymen).”

        Soros organized the raising of those funds, as well as provided his own. How do you think he got the credibility to do that? The Koch family funds cuckservatism and churchianity, the greatest allies the left after had.

        map

        January 29, 2017 at 7:26 am

    • No I am pretty sure that he is evil.

      All theses hundreds of millions to promote an “alternative constitutional framework” thats super creepy.

      If he actually wanted to help poor people that would be one thing but as I pointed out in your last post his committees zeroed out actual aide to the poor.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      January 26, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      • All theses hundreds of millions to promote an “alternative constitutional framework” thats super creepy.

        If he actually wanted to help poor people that would be one thing but as I pointed out in your last post his committees zeroed out actual aide to the poor.

        Or in other words he’s a Democrat.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 12:03 am

      • That Wall Street was rife with insider trading does not mean Soros wasn’t distinctive and noteworthy as an insider trader nor that he doesn’t have real crimes under his belt about which he needs to be concerned.

        This is probably true, but my point was he didn’t need excessive political protection to shield himself from the SEC. Many other bad actors get away with insider trader without spending much on political donations.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    • Soros is a convicted insider trader in France and he’s done the same thing but on a much larger scale in the US. The only thing keeping him out of jail here is he figured out, correctly, that making large enough contributions to politicians is the only fail safe route to avoiding a sentence. He liked Hillary because he knew she was for sale. Enough on both sides of the aisle are for sale to keep him out of jail (in all probability). Nevertheless, it would be nice to see Trump’s DOJ take him on. https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/soros-loses-challenge-to-insider-trading-conviction/

      Curle

      January 27, 2017 at 1:00 am

      • Soros saw how great things worked out for Marc Rich and he’s following his lead. The Leftism crap is just an effective cover . . . in other words, because the causes he finances are enlightened in the SJW universe the SJW media cannot taint themselves or him by going after him for his crimes. It would be a little like a 1st century Christian accusing Paul of some crime or the other, breaks up the whole narrative. A brilliant strategy if you think about it.

        Curle

        January 27, 2017 at 1:03 am

      • Fascinating perspective.

        Two in the Bush

        January 27, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      • Soros is a convicted insider trader in France and he’s done the same thing but on a much larger scale in the US. The only thing keeping him out of jail here is he figured out, correctly, that making large enough contributions to politicians is the only fail safe route to avoiding a sentence.

        Wrong.

        Wall Street is rife with insider trading. Soros’ investment activities and methods for getting around the SEC before 1998 were probably no different than any other offender.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 6:25 pm

      • “Wrong.

        Wall Street is rife with insider trading.”

        That Wall Street was rife with insider trading does not mean Soros wasn’t distinctive and noteworthy as an insider trader nor that he doesn’t have real crimes under his belt about which he needs to be concerned. After all, France has already convicted him. In this book Sam Israel, a convicted insider trader, describes at some length Soros’ role as a purveyor of insider trading schemes (apparently teaching others including Israel). http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/octopus-review-sam-israel-the-ponzi-schemer-who-got-duped.html

        That antisemites don’t like Soros doesn’t mean he isn’t a scumbag. He is a scumbag.

        Curle

        January 29, 2017 at 3:28 am

  2. The definitive work on the creation of the European Union and how it has always been a project to repress Nationalism is the book The Great Deception by British authors Christopher Booker and Richard North.

    It never gets reviewed in American far right circles (I recommend it to Lion) because it doesn’t blame decades of European immigration policy or the creation of the EU on Jews. But it should be the primary history for anyone interested in a truthful analysis of modern Europe. If you follow through it you will see the idea of a “United States of Europe” originated in the inter-war years and that Europe’s current political crisis has been the result of almost seven decades of dissolving European democracy in favor of a Globalist elite.

    That a history this well done hasn’t been reviewed by the American far right simply because it doesn’t blame Jews is a testament to the American far right’s moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

    https://www.amazon.com/Great-Deception-European-Union-Survive/dp/0826480144

    The Undiscovered Jew

    January 26, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    • Booker and North also have a website at http://www.eureferendum.com/ .

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 26, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      • Several times I’ve pointed out the real malefactor — this time — was Erodogan, but no one seems to want to listen. I’ll keep shouting it from the rooftops, but it gets tiresome.

        Weapons of mass migration as a policy tool is a time-honored trick.

        http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100627270

        But if you’re stupid, it’s easier to blame the Jews.

        @Dan,

        I looked at your links. Orban is accusing Soros of being “a prominent member of a circle of activists” that are pushing the migrant invasion on Hungary. No one is denying that. But these articles don’t furnish proof that he’s Sauron, the way the alt-right continually makes him out to be. What he says in MarketWatch is typical Eurobabble. I don’t like it, I don’t agree with it, but it’s not unique to him. It’s the kind of shit European pols have been saying for 30 years. Its day has come and gone.

        I prefer this: “To help potential targets better respond to—and protect themselves against—this kind of unconventional predation,” (see link above)

        The really ridiculous thing is the at the alt-right thinks that he’s pushing some kind of Jewish agenda, because the Jewish agenda is always to create chaos, because….Jews. These guys are sick. They are bankrupt nihilists, who project their inner chaos onto Jews.

        gothamette

        January 26, 2017 at 11:33 pm

      • Several times I’ve pointed out the real malefactor — this time — was Erodogan,

        Erdogan has been waving ISIS ‘refugees’ on to Greece – from which they can than get a passport that will let them travel anywhere in the EU – just as the Mexican government has been encouraging Mexicans to cross the Rio Grande.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    • Or maybe the early history of the EU just isn’t that interesting to Americans?

      snorlaxwp

      January 26, 2017 at 11:14 pm

      • If you are constantly claiming that the EU is a tool of International Jewry(tm) then you should at least read a few books.

        gothamette

        January 27, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    • Or maybe the early history of the EU just isn’t that interesting to Americans?

      The American far right claims it does know about European politics yet they don’t acknowledge the definitive work about the EU. I find it unlikely they don’t know about it. They simply don’t refer to it because they will not acknowledge the truth that the problems the EU is facing are the direct result of gentile Globalist EU bureaucrats who had dreamed of erasing European ethnic identity since the 1920s.

      It’s much simpler to blame Soros who got involved in European integration very, very late in a Supranationalist (the European word for Progressive Globalist) project that was in already in full agreement with his current views many decades before Soros became wealthy.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 26, 2017 at 11:44 pm

      • In the aftermath of the Great War, there was widespread revulsion toward nationalism/patriotism. “You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.” –George Bernard Shaw, 1919. “Nationalism is an infantile disease.” –Albert Einstein, 1929.

        Mark Caplan

        January 27, 2017 at 9:57 am

      • The American far right – is this your personal new name for the alt-right? I kind of like it.

        They proved they know nothing about European politics with the Hungary farce, which I’ve already described here three times but what the hell, I’ll do it again. Richard Spencer waltzed into Hungary with his Russian slut wife and thought they would be so happy for him to preach white nationalism to them. Not understanding that Hungarians just want to be Hungarian, and to them, there is no difference being invaded by white Christians, Muslim Turks, or Christian Nigerians.

        If there is logic to the “white nationalism,” and there is, on a very primitive level, Hungarians should have welcomed being invaded by Russians, so that they could be little brothers in a big white ethno-state.

        Anyway the Hungarians jailed Spencer and kicked him out. I find it funny that the man who babbles on about whiteness, with no issues except for the odd punch or two in the US, was actually deported from a white country.

        (I love Orban. Good guy.)

        gothamette

        January 27, 2017 at 11:17 am

      • I’d like to think I’m fairly knowledgeable about European politics, but I’m not all that motivated to read extremely long polemics about the early history of the EU.

        I also suspect that the book is one of those ones that cherry-picks facts, quotes and individuals to highlight that might technically all be accurate or at least plausible, but together present a highly-distorted version of events, much like those books all about how the Civil War was really all about tariffs and states’ rights and not slavery at all, or leftist accounts of Latin American history.

        The broad-strokes history of the EU that matters is that it started out as an old-left-globalist Bretton Woods-type central-planning org (European Coal & Steel Community), then morphed into a 50’s-liberal-globalist UN-type world-government org, then a right-globalist NAFTA-type free-trade org, then an even more right-globalist pre-WWI-gold-exchange-standard-type Friedmanite-fiscal-and-monetary-policy-enforcement org, then a left-globalist LBJ-Trudeau-type third-world-immigration-and-leftist-social-policy-enforcement org.

        Maggie and Tony didn’t take the positions that they did because they were confused about what they stood for. They’d have taken the opposite ones if they could’ve seen the future, but it all made perfectly obvious sense at the time. (For all their respective political acumen, neither ever intuited Conquest’s Second Law).

        I’m less interested in what dead people did than what Soros et al are doing right now. If we’re talking history, the EU is a symptom, not the disease.

        Lots of historical blame to go round; I’d put a lot of it on the Dutch, whose extirpation of the Stuarts and Habsburgs marked the point of no return for the ascendency of leftism and decline of Western civilization. With those acts they probably managed to do even more damage-per-capita than either Jews or New Englanders.

        It’s one of those paradoxes that the nicest, most fun places to live/visit — the Netherlands, coastal-America, London — have always been the nexūs of the forces destructive to our civilization.

        snorlaxwp

        January 27, 2017 at 1:54 pm

      • In the aftermath of the Great War, there was widespread revulsion toward nationalism/patriotism.

        That is where it started, again I can’t recommend the book enough. Pay attention to the chapters on the inter-war years and you will be surprised at how similar the thinking was to today.

        The American far right – is this your personal new name for the alt-right? I kind of like it.

        A synonym. Use as you see fit.

        Anyway the Hungarians jailed Spencer and kicked him out.

        What was he deported for?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 6:39 pm

      • but I’m not all that motivated to read extremely long polemics about the early history of the EU.

        It’s a long history, but you can skim through it.

        I also suspect that the book is one of those ones that cherry-picks facts, quotes and individuals to highlight that might technically all be accurate or at least plausible, but together present a highly-distorted version of events,

        Unlike the hatchet jobs against Lincoln, the quotes from the book all match the actions of the individuals. EU Bureaucrats have been bragging about the EU being “post-democracy” for decades.

        I’m less interested in what dead people did than what Soros et al are doing right now. If we’re talking history, the EU is a symptom, not the disease.

        The EU, and all its precursor organizations setup from the 1950s, was the disease.

        Look through the book and see for yourself.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 6:44 pm

      • (Apparently can’t directly reply to Mark Caplan)

        “In the aftermath of the Great War, there was widespread revulsion toward nationalism/patriotism. “You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.” –George Bernard Shaw, 1919. “Nationalism is an infantile disease.” –Albert Einstein, 1929.”

        The problem with this “post-war revulsion” theory is that your examples are famous Marxists who were already fanatical opponents of patriotism before the war.

        Among ordinary people of course the Great War tended to produce either a triumphalist sense of patriotism among the victors or revanchist nationalism among the losers. None of my elderly relatives who lost friends and relatives in the wars were revulsed by patriotism, they were only revulsed by socialist scumbags like Shaw and Einstein who were nowhere near the trenches and still couldn’t stop using their supposed war traumas in their propaganda.

        These are the people who were already convinced of the Marxist line that nations are a phase of history that’s about to be replaced by international socialist revolution and rather many of them were initially thrilled about the war as they imagined the masses would rise up against their leaders instead of charging into machine gun fire. Instead the masses largely chose patriotism and rallied behind their nations.

        Jaakko Raipala

        January 28, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      • @TuJ,

        This is all I know:

        http://www.politics.hu/20141007/organiser-of-racist-conference-leaves-hungary/

        @Lion et al,

        The French/German movie “Joyeux Noel,” about the Christmas truce of 1914/15, begins with little European school boys reciting genocidal poems about the other nationalities. This is what kids were taught in the late 19th century in Europe. This all erupted in two catastrophic wars. It’s understandable that nationalism got a bad rap. Europeans don’t understand that American patriotism isn’t racial. Oh wait, it is, according to the alt-right.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2017 at 3:56 pm

      • This all erupted in two catastrophic wars. It’s understandable that nationalism got a bad rap. Europeans don’t understand that American patriotism isn’t racial.

        American patriotism has had a pan-European identity, albeit with an Anglo-Saxon cultural basis. European Nationalism was never pan-European, at least until recently.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      • Here’s more about the Hungarian fiasco. Yes, it’s from the SPLC, but read it anyway.

        https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2014/10/06/white-nationalists-gather-hungary-richard-spencer-arrested

        gothamette

        January 28, 2017 at 7:29 pm

      • Here’s more about the Hungarian fiasco. Yes, it’s from the SPLC, but read it anyway.

        Not much of an explanation for why is given in either article.

        I wonder the actual backstory was; Hungary not only deported him in a rush but they banned him from entering the other 26 member states of the Schengen area for 3 years. He even lost the endorsement of Jobbik.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    • UJ,

      What exactly is your point? Have you not heard of walking and chewing gum at the same time? If you go after the EU edicts on their own, then Soros operatives will attack you for doing so. So, you go after the EU edicts, the street trash and the billionaire who funds them all at once.

      map

      January 28, 2017 at 1:27 am

  3. Wonder what his IQ is.

    Stealth

    January 26, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    • He must be highly intelligent, probably not genius level. He has certainly understood currency trading very well.

      In any case, whether you are pro, or anti, Soros, keep in mind that he was born in 1930.

      The Shepherd

      January 27, 2017 at 11:19 am

      • “In any case, whether you are pro, or anti, Soros, keep in mind that he was born in 1930.”

        Which means he will be dead pretty soon. And after he dies… the world will remain pretty much the same.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm

      • The world will be a completely different place in 5 years whether Soros dies or not, It’s already much different than it was a year ago. And I believe there will be even bigger changes in the next year or two. The world is going through a major revolution at the moment. The kind of changes that change the course of history.

        destructure

        January 27, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      • I hope to see an implosion of big government, including our tax and welfare agencies. Also, I want to see Social Darwinism take hold on America’s lower IQ individuals.

        JS

        January 27, 2017 at 11:54 pm

  4. Soros is the epitome of hypocritical, champagne socialism. He made his fortune off of currency manipulation that bankrupted nations. He is a globalist snake.

    B.T.D.T.

    January 26, 2017 at 7:38 pm

  5. Yeah, but Alex Jones is pretty cool sometimes.

    Andrew E.

    January 26, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    • Do you suppose that Alex Jones has hot babe groupies?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 26, 2017 at 10:14 pm

      • Don’t stick it in crazy.

        snorlaxwp

        January 27, 2017 at 1:54 pm

      • “Don’t stick it in crazy.”

        Cuts the available pool down a lot doesnt it?

        Curle

        January 27, 2017 at 11:19 pm

      • Crazy is in the eye of the beholder. Plenty of owls in Alex’s grove.

        snorlaxwp

        January 28, 2017 at 1:04 am

      • “Don’t stick it in crazy.”

        That’s something that can only be learned through experience.

        Stealth

        January 28, 2017 at 9:15 am

  6. There are times I think that Lion’s blog is run out of a basement cubicle in Langley, Virginia.

    map

    January 26, 2017 at 9:53 pm

  7. It’s long past time a sophisticate such as yourself realizes that the term “liberal” is outdated. Liberalism was relevant for a world whose problems centered on whether pubic hair could be shown in films, nit one where you lose your livelihood for saying “illegal alien.” I’ll never forget the time at a Berkeley flowerstand, around ’00, when I referred to an old woman as a liberal. She replied, ” I’m not a liberal, I’m a radical! ” Musta bveen a smoker, because she sounded just like Broderick Crawford.

    Explainer 21

    January 26, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    • A “liberal” traditionally is someone who believes in free markets, limited government intervention, and no government support for religion (no established church). This is still what it means in Europe for the most part. In Europe that is a right-of-center position.

      In the 1960s American leftists started using “liberal” as an insult to abuse moderate Democrats, who were maybe left on social issues, but who wouldn’t get on board the socialist agenda. From there “liberal” got a connotation of wishy-washy and soft, and the Republicans picked up on it. There is still a whiff of excitement in being a leftist, like Che Guevara or the Baader Meinhoff gang. Hard people not afraid of violence. A liberal is Dukakis or Nancy Pelosi, not too threatening.

      Peter Akuleyev

      January 27, 2017 at 9:15 am

  8. Doesn’t it seem unlikely that a man as rich and successful as George Soros would be happy to throw his money away on creating pointless make-work jobs that achieved nothing? I’ve heard that Soros was a funder of the Black Lives Matter movement, and it’s certainly possible to imagine what a man like that would be hoping to gain with this venture: political leverage and influence.

    Clinton wanted to win the presidential race, and to do this she needed to energise the black vote. Soros could have assured his friends the Clintons that he could use BLM to whip up hysteria within the black community in order to get them behind Hillary for the election. He would do this on the understanding that once in power the Clintons would owe him, and perhaps even come to rely on him in future.|

    I remember hearing on BBC news that Soros was funding charities that were sending ‘Syrians’ to Poland, one of the few sane countries left in Europe, and using his cash to try and ‘change attitudes’ to migrants in Eastern Europe. I have no idea if his motives in this case are money, power, or anti-white/Euro hostility. But I wouldn’t be too upset if he dropped dead tomorrow.

    Interesting factoid: he grew up as a native Esperanto speaker, and his surname means ‘to soar.’ In a probably vain attempt to stop this thread from becoming another boring discussion of Jewishness and anti-semitism, perhaps it would be worthwhile speculating on what it means for your sense of ethnic identity to grow up with your native language being an artificial and deliberately constructed attempt at one-worldism?

    What, after all, is more basic to your sense of community and history than the language you grow up speaking?

    prolier than thou

    January 27, 2017 at 11:43 am

    • “Doesn’t it seem unlikely that a man as rich and successful as George Soros would be happy to throw his money away on creating pointless make-work jobs that achieved nothing? ”

      No. It’s par for the course with lots of “philanthropy.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 27, 2017 at 12:53 pm

      • http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/dumped-files-show-influence-of-george-soros-on-western-politics/news-story/937a225e62420ea3807bd8308b0dad83

        According to this article Soros funds groups that aim to smear and deligitimise right-wing politicians who speak out against Islamism and immigration. Opening art galleries, funding opera houses or drug rehab centres, trying to find the cure for cancer: these are philanthropy. What George Soros is doing seems something else entirely. Having said that I commend the fact that in these polarised times you are willing to view the possibility that liberals are simply acting in accordance with their beliefs and have no ulterior motives.

        prolier than thou

        January 27, 2017 at 2:20 pm

      • “Having said that I commend the fact that in these polarised times you are willing to view the possibility that liberals are simply acting in accordance with their beliefs and have no ulterior motives.”

        In Soros’ case there is no ulterior motive. He’s a one-world liberal who sincerely believes that ethnic/racial differences are harmful retrograde social constructs that lead to fascism.

        The obsession with Soros is anti-Semitic both implicitly and explicitly.

        gothamette

        January 27, 2017 at 4:49 pm

      • What George Soros is doing seems something else entirely.

        How?

        The EU legal system, which is overwhelmingly made up of gentile judges, routinely mandates “Islamophobia” and “intolerance” be fought with legal penalites, while the EU bureaucracy has been funding or legally mandating these sorts of diversity programs for decades.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 6:35 pm

      • The obsession of Soros belongs to that of morons.

        2017 marks the breaking point of America as we know it. It’s Trumpocalypse vs Sorosaurus Rex.

        Seriously, Trump will destroy all of our liberal institutions while he tries to reforms them, and Liberal Extremists will exact vengeance for their destruction. It will get very ugly.

        JS

        January 27, 2017 at 11:38 pm

      • JS,

        “Seriously, Trump will destroy all of our liberal institutions while he tries to reforms them, and Liberal Extremists will exact vengeance for their destruction. It will get very ugly.”

        What liberal institutions?

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 1:32 am

      • The obsession of Soros belongs to that of morons.

        Well said and very correct.

        There are quite a few Soros obsessed morons here who need to go back to the sayings of another famous Jew about “The log in thine eye”.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 11:00 am

  9. I never understood what this guy wants to achieve. I don’t think he is evil, he may very well be a sincere philanthropist. But his approach of “making the world a better place”, i.e spreading liberal democracy, is not in my mind the correct way to achieve that. Social engineering, even if works, is always temporary as limited resources and natural human inequalities will continue to create entropy, violence and injustice.

    All his billions could be put to far better use in scientific research.

    Alexandre

    January 27, 2017 at 12:48 pm

  10. T.U.J. thinks that people saying bad things about Soros is anti-Semitic. That is silly. Soros is secular. If anything he was on the other side during WWII, sending folks to camps and ovens to save himself. Trump’s family is more legitimately Jewish than Soros.

    Plenty of leftists (Bill Gates, Warren Buffett) do their philanthropy and its fine, but what Soros does in particular is put all his focus on the extreme political left. Billionaires do punch harder. For the first time in my memory, the real right (as opposed to the wine-and-cocktails “right”) has managed to draft a billionaire, and what a difference it has made.

    Dan

    January 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    • T.U.J. is absolutely correct that anti-Semitism drives a great deal of the special “alt-right” hatred of Soros.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 27, 2017 at 3:12 pm

      • Complete BS. Even the hardest “rightists” didn’t single out Soros for special attention until it becane known that he was funding the movement to liberate blacks from the rule of law, i.e. BLM and MoveOn. For years the hardest on Soros in the media has beem Michael Savage, a jew.

        mel belli

        January 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm

      • Perhaps, but truth is a pretty good defense. Soros’ left wing organizations and associations are no secret and the amounts of money he has given away to date are enormous.

        It would be one thing if his money went broad charities such as education in Africa or a computer in every school or something like that, where his billions could be spread across tens of millions of people. Instead his $12 billion donated so far has gone heavily toward political activism, and almost always in one direction.

        Looking at how $12 billion stacks up in the political sphere, Trump spent $512 million on his entire 2016 campaign, and Clinton spent $1.1 billion. That was maybe the biggest election of our lifetimes.

        Focusing on Soros is fine by me because as far as I can tell, it happens to be true. He’s just one guy, not a people.

        Dan

        January 27, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      • I disagree that anti-semitism is driving the hatred for Soros. Democrats said the same thing about racism driving the hatred for Obama. And that was similarly untrue. Republicans don’t hate Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson or Herman Cain. Are they less black than Obama? No. They hate Obama and love the others because of their politics. Was the hatred for Hillary less intense because she’s white? I don’t think so. And the Dems immediately tried to claim misogyny. The same Dems who made obscene comments about Coulter and Palin.

        I’m not saying none of the people who like or hate another person for what they think or do aren’t prejudiced. I’m just saying that when someone hates another for what they think or do then it’s not uncommon to attack them for what they are as well. But what they are really isn’t the motive for the attack.

        Soros earned the hatred honestly

        destructure

        January 27, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      • I disagree that anti-semitism is driving the hatred for Soros.

        To clarify I am accusing American antisemites specifically of arguing Soros is the only actor in the immigration crisis that is more the fault of gentile Europeans who already agreed with him on Globalism.

        European Nationalists have seen enough of having immigration law dictated to them by Brussels to know this all well precedes the participation of Soros.

        The welfare benefits (to take just one example) that EU member states are legally mandated to provide immigrants well exceeds any donations Soros has spent on refugees.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 9:13 pm

      • TUJ is right in arguing that the European project long precedes Soros’s actions. With regard to Europe specifically, Juncker and all his fellow travellers are the people to attack. But that doesn’t mean that Soros and his funding of liberal projects around the world shouldn’t be concerning.

        The lioncub

        January 28, 2017 at 4:19 am

      • While I’m sure a lot of antisemites hate George Soros, I think he has more influence than you give him credit for.

        Stealth

        January 28, 2017 at 9:24 am

      • “For years the hardest on Soros in the media has beem Michael Savage, a jew.”

        Another Jewish media figure who holds extremely negative views of Soros is David Horowitz of Frontpage magazine.

        Lewis Medlock

        January 28, 2017 at 11:52 am

      • Jews can be influenced by the anti-Semitic-right without realizing it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm

      • But that doesn’t mean that Soros and his funding of liberal projects around the world shouldn’t be concerning.

        I’m for Trump using the IRS to at a minimum revoke the tax exempt privileges of his non-profit organizations as well as Orban, or any other European leader, closing down whatever operations he has in their countries.

        What I object to is the suggestion (not made by you) that he is the only actor in all this. If he is shut down or finally drops dead the other Globalist leaders will continue operating without him.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 2:46 pm

    • H.L. Hunt?

      snorlaxwp

      January 27, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    • T.U.J. thinks that people saying bad things about Soros is anti-Semitic.

      No, I’m saying the people who want to only, or even primarily, blame Soros are hypocrites who want to blame an outside ethnic group but don’t want to admit what their own ethnic groups are doing the same thing.

      If anything he was on the other side during WWII, sending folks to camps and ovens to save himself.

      He called his collaboration with the Nazis as the happiest time of his life, so he’s not ethno-centric.

      But there is a tendency to blame everything on him because he is ethnically Jewish. The elite gentiles are not better.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm

      • You say other elites are no better, but I disagree. Lots of billionaires hold left wing politics, but Soros takes the cake. His left-wing politics is elevated to a religion and the sheer breadth of different organizations he contributes to which push his extreme left politics on so many fronts in so many countries is extraordinary.

        Take Bill Gates as a point of contrast. His charities cover water, sanitation, libraries, education, earthquake relief, infectious diseases, microfinance, family planning and more. That is what normal charity looks like. Bill Gates is politically on the left but nothing like Soros.

        TUJ, is there any other comparable figure like Soros?

        Dan

        January 27, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      • TUJ, is there any other comparable figure like Soros?

        I told you Jacques Delors, the head of the commission in the 1980s that paved the way for the euro currency, is worse than Soros. His currency was the only in history to be designed to be an integral piece in dissolving the ethnic identities of the European peoples.

        Before you dismiss what he did, ask yourself what would the altright say about Soros if he (or another elite European Jew like Dominique Strauss Kahn) was the chairman of the Delors Commission:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delors_Commission

        The Delors Commission gave a new momentum to the process of European integration. They ‘completed’ the internal market and laid the foundations for the single European currency. European Economic and Monetary Union was based on the three stage plan drawn up by a committee headed by Delors (the Delors Report). Delors and his Commissioners are considered the “founding fathers” of the euro. The groundwork and political persuasion was achieved through the work of the Commissioners leading to the signature of the Single European Act (SEA) in February 1986 and the Treaty of Maastricht in 1992.[3]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 27, 2017 at 9:05 pm

      • Yakov says antisemitism stems from the suspicion among Gentiles that Jews like Soros are more effective than Gentiles in accomplishing their unwanted goals. Any thoughts?

        Curle

        January 27, 2017 at 11:29 pm

      • UJ,

        “I told you Jacques Delors, the head of the commission in the 1980s that paved the way for the euro currency, is worse than Soros. His currency was the only in history to be designed to be an integral piece in dissolving the ethnic identities of the European peoples.”

        And when you try to overthrow the edicts of Jacque Delors, where will George Soros, his people, and his $12 billion in donations be? All rallied against you, preventing you from doing just that.

        There is a reason why Putin banned Soros’ NGO’s from operating in Russia or why Victor Orban is trying to do the same in Hungary. I suppose they should all just give up and proclaim that the fault lies with some long-dead French bureaucrat, instead of dealing with the enemies that exist today.

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 1:42 am

      • Jacques Delors? Who? Really? That is your answer to George Soros? Are you trolling me?

        Dan

        January 28, 2017 at 2:17 am

      • Yakov says antisemitism stems from the suspicion among Gentiles that Jews like Soros are more effective than Gentiles in accomplishing their unwanted goals. Any thoughts?

        To some degree, though only since the 19th century. Prior to that Jews had basically no say over gentile society.

        I’d say its primarily due to the refusal of an irrelevant portion of the American internet community to admit gentile leaders have failed and looking for an outsider to blame. Also some of it is unconscious confirmation bias – they don’t take notice when the alcoholic EU president Jean Claude Juncker, or some other high ranking gentile in the EU, promotes globalism but they do notice a Jew who says the same thing. Because they pay more attention to what Jews do than what gentiles do they deceive themselves into wrongly thinking gentile elites were somehow “tricked” by Jews into liberalism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 10:50 am

      • And when you try to overthrow the edicts of Jacque Delors, where will George Soros, his people, and his $12 billion in donations be? All rallied against you, preventing you from doing just that.

        Delors is still alive btw.

        Delors and the EU have much greater resources than Soros because they have a taxpayer funded budget and the ability to dictate how member states spend their budget. The welfare mandates they’ve imposed on EU member governments to care for immigrants is billions more than Soros has ever spent on politics.

        Jacques Delors? Who? Really? That is your answer to George Soros? Are you trolling me?

        Delors is absolutely worse.

        Every single European nationalist in Western Europe – and quite a few radical leftist parties – is using the euro as one of their top three issues because the euro was the centerpiece of a plan to dissolve European ethnic identity, and had no real economic function.

        If Soros instead of Delors had been the chair of committee that created the foundations of the euro you two would be mentioning that as one of his principal crimes.

        If you don’t believe the creation of the euro (AKA European Monetary Union/EMU) is worse than anything Soros has ever done, here is Farage explaining very basic facts about European politics that you should have already known –

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/08/ukips_nigel_farage_your_moment_is_here_greece_take_back_your_country.html

        NIGEL FARAGE: Thank you. What we’re seeing in this chamber this morning and indeed across the whole of Europe is an irreconcilable cultural difference between Greece and Germany. A split between the North and the South of Europe. The European project is actually beginning to die. Nobody in this room will recognise that the peoples of Europe are saying, we were never asked whether we want in this. This has been foisted upon on us and we need to understand why the EMU doesn’t work. Those monsters Kohl and Mitterrand, backed up by the clever but dangerous Delors believed that if they put in place an economic and monetary union then as night follows day, there would be political union and there would be an acceptance of this project and the North and South of Europe would converge. That we would all start to love each other and we would all start to feel a European identity, that we would all start to show allegiance to the flag and the anthem.

        Those, of course, that criticised this were told we were extremists and we lacked vision. Well one vision we didn’t lack is we understood the countries of Europe are different and if you try to force together different people and different economies without first seeking the consent of those people it is unlikely to work and the plan has failed. This isn’t just Greece we’re talking about today, the whole of the Med now finds itself in the wrong currency and yet virtually nobody in the political arena has the courage to stand up and say that. Indeed, I feel that the continent is now divided from North to South, there is a new Berlin wall and it is called the euro. The old enmities have been resumed. Just listen to the way the German leader of the CDU group this morning attacked Mr Tsipras. He was actually disgusting but it shows the way North and South feel about each other.

        Mr Tsipras, your country should never have joined the euro, I think you acknowledge that. But the big banks, big business and big politics forced you in. Goldmans Sachs, the German arms manufacturers, they were all very happy when the bailouts began. They weren’t for the Greek people, those bailouts were for French, German and Italian banks. They haven’t helped you at all. These years of austerity, years of high employment and increasing poverty, none of it’s worked. In fact, your debt GDP ratio has gone from 100 percent at the start of the crisis to 180 percent right now. It would be madness sir, to continue on this course.

        You have been very brave. You called that referendum. When one of your predecessors tried to do the same the bully boys in Brussels had him removed. They tried their best again, Mr Juncker said you would have to leave the Euro and leave the EU. Even Mr Schulz, the president of the parliament, who one would have thought might have been neutral, said that if the Greeks voted no then power supplies might even go down. There were threats and bullying but the Greeks stood firm. But sir, you cannot have your cake and eat it. They will give you no more these people. They cannot afford to, if they give you more they have to give other Eurozone members more.

        So your moment has come, and frankly if you have the courage you should lead the Greek people out of the Eurozone with your head held high. Get back your democracy; get back control of your country. Give your people the leadership and the hope that they crave. Yes it will be tough in the first few months but with a devalued currency and with friends of Greece all over the world, you will recover.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      • http://www.ibtimes.com/europes-right-wing-leaders-cheer-greeces-oxi-vote-push-end-european-union-1997752

        Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front Party in France, hailed Greece’s “no” vote as a “victory of the people against the oligarchy of the European Union,” in an official statement released Monday. In the statement, Le Pen went on to encourage other European countries to re-evaluate the entire foundation of the European Union and to take stock of the “failure of the euro and austerity, and organize the dissolution of the single-currency system, which is needed to get back to real growth, employment and debt reduction,” Reuters reported.

        Le Pen isn’t the only right-wing leader in Europe to cheer Greece’s recent decision to reject a new bailout package. After the Greek people voted Sunday to soundly reject any proposal that would require further austerity measures, extreme right-wing leaders across Europe are heralding the vote as the first victory in a battle against European institutions. While the vote in Greece was backed by the leftist Syriza party, radical right groups across Europe, particularly in countries that were principal loan creditors such as France and Germany, have used the Greek referendum results to question the basis of a European Union and a shared currency.

        “NO. NO. NO. No to the Soviet Union of unemployment and immigration. Yes to a New Europe, founded on work and respect for the People,” tweeted Matteo Salvini, leader of the anti-euro Italian Lega Nord (Northern League), after the referendum Sunday.

        Many of the anti-EU radical right movements began as early as the 1990s when the shared currency of the euro was first proposed and then introduced in 2002. Critics from countries across Europe perceived the change as a challenge to national identities. At the same time, regulations concerning migrants and refugees were implemented that effectively allowed asylum seekers and other undocumented people to move freely among EU countries. Right-wing groups, such as the National Front, the U.K. Independence Party and Lega Nord in Italy sprouted up to capitalize on anti-immigrant sentiment and build their voter base.

        After the global recession that began in 2007, as the euro sunk and unemployment rose sharply, even more radical right-wing groups exploded onto the political stage, gaining mainstream appeal with people who were frustrated with the lagging economy and exasperated by international leadership. Some of the groups that started around the recession include the Alternative for Germany party and the Danish People’s Party.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      • TUJ,

        This is borderline silly.

        “Delors is still alive btw.

        Delors and the EU have much greater resources than Soros because they have a taxpayer funded budget and the ability to dictate how member states spend their budget. The welfare mandates they’ve imposed on EU member governments to care for immigrants is billions more than Soros has ever spent on politics.”

        And the vast EU budget is divided among a petty bureaucracy jealous of its power and sclerotic in implementing its agenda. There are so many committees that control that budget the effect of any one committe is actually very small. Furthermore, you can bet that guys like Soros actively lobbied for those welfare mandates, thus reinforcing whatever the EU wanted to do.

        Seriously? You don’t think the outsized support of a guy with $12 billion to spend on donations has little effect? Even if DeLors was the monster you say he was, and I am ok with that, he is no longer in power and not relevant. What are you going to do? Put him back in power and fire him? And in the absence of a Soros, you had another in his place…a Rothschild.

        Besides, no one is arguing that Soros is the only one involved in this.

        map

        January 29, 2017 at 7:12 am

      • And the vast EU budget is divided among a petty bureaucracy jealous of its power and sclerotic in implementing its agenda. There are so many committees that control that budget the effect of any one committe is actually very small. Furthermore, you can bet that guys like Soros actively lobbied for those welfare mandates, thus reinforcing whatever the EU wanted to do.

        They have vast powers over member states despite their bureaucratic decay.

        The legislative power they have to override elected parliaments on national questions was accumulated over many decades and is not something Soros had much to do with.

        Seriously? You don’t think the outsized support of a guy with $12 billion to spend on donations has little effect?

        The GDP of the EU is over $12 trillion. Yes that dwarfs the impact of his wealth – and isn’t the bulk of donations spent in the United States, not Europe?

        More importantly they do need his input because they already have powers granted to them through multiple treaties and laws.

        In all of the DNC and Soros email leaks where was the evidence Soros was the one who made Merkel open Germany to refugees as has been suggested? She has never been accused of personal bribery even by AfD, and according to leaked emails from Soros’ organizations Merkel seems to have clashed with a frustrated Soros about what course to take in Ukraine (she was for a more diplomatic, less aggressive, stance towards Russia).

        Even if DeLors was the monster you say he was, and I am ok with that, he is no longer in power and not relevant. What are you going to do? Put him back in power and fire him?

        His currency is relevant because his successors in the EU structure such as Draghi are all dedicated to using the euro to dissolve European national identities.

        And in the absence of a Soros, you had another in his place…a Rothschild.

        Which Rotschild is this?

        Besides, no one is arguing that Soros is the only one involved in this.

        Many are saying Soros is making elite Europeans pursue a Globalist policy against their will.

        I agree his agenda is evil, but don’t lecture me that Globalists would be pursuing sounder policies if he was never a factor.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2017 at 1:51 pm

  11. Actually Nicholas Taleb writes admiringly of Soros in The Black Swan. I don’t think Soros is as bad as all that. Just a misguided old man with an ego and a great deal of money.

    Two in the Bush

    January 27, 2017 at 2:57 pm

  12. Soros is not a mench, but neither is he an untermench. What is he? A bad hombre.

    Yakov

    January 27, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    • He was a member of the Judenrat and after the war called his time collaborating with the Nazis as the happiest time in his life.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 27, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      • Wherein TUD declares that Soros has pretty much the worst character of any creature on the planet.

        Dan

        January 28, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • TUD = TUJ

        Dan

        January 28, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • Are you being sarcastic? In a strict sense, I suppose you could say he was associated with the Judenrat, but Soros was 15 when WWII ended in Europe. This is from the wikipedia entry:

        Soros was 13 years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary. Jewish children were barred from attending school by the Nazis, and Soros and the other schoolchildren were made to report to the Judenrat (“Jewish Council”) which had been established during the occupation. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis: “The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper…. I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, “You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported.”

        The Shepherd

        January 28, 2017 at 1:03 pm

  13. OT: To the Ian Welsh article from the other day, WaPo reports today that some sanity broke out amongst congressional Republicans during the Q&A part of a panel discussion on Obamacare repeal at the Philly meeting.

    Worryingly, however, they report that the Trump administration representatives on the panel were a bad influence, extremely insistent on rapid repeal and replacement with LibertarianCare.

    If Trump replaces ObamaCare with LibertarianCare tens of millions of people will lose their health insurance — virtually every American will at least have friends and family who lose insurance — and he will lose reelection in a landslide.

    Trump also told Ryan yesterday that repealing Dodd-Frank would be a “top priority” of his first 100 days. Financial regulations like Dodd-Frank or Glass-Steagall don’t really have much effect on the business cycle or the economy one way or another, the Fed’s monetary policy is what matters.

    However, 99.9% of people don’t understand that, and next time there’s a recession, stock market crash or credit crunch (stock market crashes and credit crunches happen even more frequently than recessions) the media will S C R E A M that it was caused by Trump repealing Dodd-Frank, and the public will believe them.

    Besides, Wall Street donated/voted 10-1 for Clinton, and they’ll do the same in 2020. Why reward them?

    People were saying having Pence and Priebus in the administration was a good thing because it would help Trump control Ryan. It’s clear that the opposite is true. Trump needs to #FirePriebus and stop listening to Pence if he wants to have any prayer of winning reelection or leaving a positive legacy.

    snorlaxwp

    January 27, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    • If Pres. Bob Dole had repealed Glass-Steagall, it would be conventional wisdom (not only among edgy internet people) that’s what caused the 2008 recession. It would’ve been blamed for the 2001 recession too. And this despite the media being much more chill about the Dole Administration.

      snorlaxwp

      January 27, 2017 at 4:03 pm

      • The brick wall Trump is going to run up against, likely in his first term, that will thwart much of what he wants to do on trade and banking is Triffin’s Dilemma. Or the role of the dollar as reserve currency. Our dollar used globally to settle international trade forces our trade balance into deficit. This, combined with the world’s habit of using currency as savings rather than just as a medium for exchange (a holdover from when currency was gold), is why banking has metastisized like it has the last 40 years, why Glass-Steagall was chipped away at for decades before it was finally repealed and why the financial economy is no longer tethered to the real economy.

        Watching the confirmation hearings, I don’t think Trump or his people have thought too much about Triffin’s. For our trade to balance, the world has to stop soaking up our dollars for reserves, and then all the existing dollar reserves already out in the world will start to seek dollar-denominated assets for purchase driving up prices to the moon. The Administration will come up against this problem in a hard event and I’m confident they’ll find a solution. The simplest solution being to open up Fort Knox, let the price per ounce of physical gold bullion float as high as it needs to on the open market until the dollars stop flooding back into the US.

        Andrew E.

        January 27, 2017 at 8:34 pm

      • Andrew E.,

        This is all incorrect economics. The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency because the US is the world’s biggest importer. I should say, in the mercantilist world economy that exists today, the US dollar is the reserve currency because it is the only country that allows the output of mercantile economies to actually pass their borders. The American policy of trade deficits is what allows Germany, China and Japan to enjoy their government policies of trade surpluses. The result is that a big chunk of the world’s international transactions get held in US dollars, even when those dollars are repatriated back into local currencies.

        IOW, the US reserve currency is not created by some agreement or treaty between nations. It arises organically from stilted economic processes. The only way the US loses it’s reserve currency status is if every other nation on the planet stops selling to the US and a new nation emerges to take the world’s exports. That will never happen.

        As for Dodd-Frank, people understand this law as separating commercial from investment banking. Of course, the law does more than that, like requiring at least $500 to open a checking account. It probably does other things that people would not like, not merely what is popularly reported.

        Most importantly, Trump understands, probably better than most, the value and importance of foreign currency markets and the bond market. His moves are designed to reassure both that his other measures do not cause bond and currency markets to get spooked. Credit markets seizing up would be disastrous for the US.

        In the case of Glass-Steagal, it’s biggest weakness is that it puts American banks at a huge disadvantage to European and Asian banks. Antitrust law was probably the reason why most American banks weren’t bought out by their foreign competitors. Again, a domestic and independent banking system is critical for Trump’s domestic policies.

        As for ObamaCare, well, it unscrews the right people, those were harmed by it, like real Americans, and screws over the illegals and their anchor babies.

        map

        January 28, 2017 at 2:07 am

      • Watching the confirmation hearings, I don’t think Trump or his people have thought too much about Triffin’s.

        So you don’t think Trump, his buddy Carl Icahn, Mnunchin, Bannon and all the Goldman Sachs guys have thought about it….but you have?

        OK.

        Rifleman

        January 28, 2017 at 2:58 am

      • So you don’t think Trump, his buddy Carl Icahn, Mnunchin, Bannon and all the Goldman Sachs guys have thought about it

        Not from their public statements, which is all I have to go by. The Wall Street Journal agrees and wrote a piece about it the other day. Of course, they may not have made it a major issue for discussion because they don’t think it’s a big deal. Others disagree, myself included.

        This is all incorrect economics.

        map, we disagree on this. It was the 1922 monetary conference in Genoa which laid the groundwork for currency reserves. Prior to 1922 international trade was settled in bullion, post-1922 currency (dollars and pounds redeemable in bullion but not the bullion itself) was added to central banking reserves along with bullion doubling monetary reserves. This was done because their wasn’t enough bullion at the fixed international price of the time to settle trade anymore. Post WWII Bretton Woods cemented the dollar’s place as reserve for trade settlement. So the dollar’s role as reserve currency was initiated by international agreements. And as long as this is the case the international system requires a constant outflow of dollars from our economy which forces our trade into deficit regardless of what explicit trade policy we may want.

        Andrew E.

        January 28, 2017 at 1:09 pm

      • Andrew E,

        “we disagree on this. It was the 1922 monetary conference in Genoa which laid the groundwork for currency reserves. Prior to 1922 international trade was settled in bullion, post-1922 currency (dollars and pounds redeemable in bullion but not the bullion itself) was added to central banking reserves along with bullion doubling monetary reserves.”

        The 1922 Genoa conference was a reconstruction project designed to aid in the rebuilding of Europe after WWI. You are right about the bullion, but bullion stopped being used for trading during the buildup to WWI. The new system was about establishing a gold standard where you would have notes backed by gold, but the gold would be held physically by the sovereign state.

        Essentially, this was the beginning of the gold standard, of metal-backed paper currency. This did not establish the US dollar as some kind of reserve system similar to gold.

        Again, you are not correct on the economic history here.

        map

        January 29, 2017 at 7:19 am

  14. Soros is evil.

    His Hedge fund bets that countries will fail.

    His charitable and political organizations make countries fail through the discontent & hatred that get spread.

    He literally causes misery and profits from it.

    A close friend of my wife worked for Soros in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. He was doing the same things over there, such as funding antigovernment organization, bribing officials & funding social discontent, there until he and his organization got tossed out of the country.

    Rotten

    January 27, 2017 at 5:40 pm

  15. Television clips of Trump meeting with British Prime Minister Theresa May this morning showed Trump looking authoritative and dignified. Prime Minister May being a respected establishment figure confers much respect on Trump by being so publicly friendly towards him. I’ll bet the MSM hates this because they’ve always believed nobody of May’s stature could bear standing next to an boor like Trump.

    roli

    January 27, 2017 at 5:50 pm

  16. That’s what all this is about, him being Jewish? I didn’t even know. I thought of him as some foreigner meddling in our politics and that’s why he was a bad guy. Anybody who wants to flood us wth immigrants is a bad guy.

    Dave

    January 27, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    • Well the reason you heard of him is because the anti-Semetic segment of the alt-right has been pushing Soros conspiracy theories. But the various leaks of the last year don’t show Soros as being anyone that important: just a rich guy who donates a lot of money to SJW-type organizations. A big leftist donor sure, but not the mastermind puppeteer pulling all the strings.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 27, 2017 at 7:07 pm

      • The meme of Soros as evil globalist has been around a lot longer than the alt-right, maybe for 20 years.

        Andrew E.

        January 27, 2017 at 8:19 pm

      • The alt-right existed that long, they just weren’t called that back then. Originally there was Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 27, 2017 at 8:44 pm

      • What really is going on is that the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill & its repeal allowed George Soros to take over/buy the Democrat party, using unlimited sums of money to build organizations more capable than the legally handicapped DNC.

        Rotten

        January 27, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      • What really is going on is that the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill & its repeal allowed George Soros to take over/buy the Democrat party,

        He did not buy it. His money is a small portion of their overall fundraising – other Democrat donors and groups also increased their political donations when the funding bill was lifted.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 10:56 am

      • using unlimited sums of money to build organizations more capable than the legally handicapped DNC.

        Right, the DNC would be pushing a hardcore white supremacist agenda if only it weren’t for Soros giving campaign contributions.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2017 at 10:57 am

      • TUJ,

        “Right, the DNC would be pushing a hardcore white supremacist agenda if only it weren’t for Soros giving campaign contributions.”

        Without guys like George Soros, the DNC would be a bunch of dorm trash yelling at outdoor cameras. It is his money that creates the organization needed to seize political power.

        Again, he is not the only one, but he is up there.

        map

        January 29, 2017 at 7:23 am

    • What’s your take of Trump’s banning of Muslims from entering the United States? Here’s the rub, Muhammadeans from Saudi Arabia are an exception, because of his business ties.

      Welcome to your Burlesque Con Man!

      JS

      January 28, 2017 at 7:42 pm

      • The U.S. has friendly relations with Saudi Arabia, Trump should be commended for being diplomatic about it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2017 at 8:56 pm

      • And yet most Saudi Arabians belong to the Hanbali School of Islam/Wahabis, who are willingly to use extremism to get their point across. Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia.

        America is a sociopathic nation is all I can say, and its gov’t/elites profit from dysfunction gleefully, as much as anything else.

        JS

        January 28, 2017 at 9:38 pm

  17. Lion, Jews who are Right Wing and patriotic Americans should be calling out their powerful brothers in media and finance who *are* every stereotypical evil; like Soros.

    fakeemail

    January 27, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    • Lion, Jews who are Right Wing and patriotic Americans should be calling out their powerful brothers in media and finance who *are* every stereotypical evil; like Soros.

      Where are the calls for gentiles to call out gentile elites who are more responsible for this evil than Jews are, such as Swedish EU immigration bureaucrats who hamper the immigration laws of member states?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 28, 2017 at 10:55 am

      • Elites, Jewish or Gentile, don’t typically care if some prole or middle class type calls them out. At best they’d find the impertinence amusing.

        Curle

        January 28, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    • Soros is a self-hating Jew, who married Gentiles, hates Israel and works towards it’s destruction. He is not our ‘brother’.

      Yakov

      January 28, 2017 at 6:24 pm


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