Lion of the Blogosphere

Why Saudi Arabia is not one of the seven banned nations

There is has been a lot of whining about this from Trump-haters. “But the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Trump is stupid.” As if they really would feel better about Trump’s action if Saudi Arabia were added to the list. If that happened, instead they’d be outraged about how Trump has alienated an American “ally” in the Middle East.

In fact, Saudi Arabia runs a tight ship. Although their funding for Wahhabism is not in the interest of the United States, Saudi Arabia does not tolerate any terrorist training camps within its border. Saudi Arabia is definitely not a lawless country. It’s a lot safer in Saudi Arabia than in any inner city ghetto in the United States, as long as you don’t do anything anti-Islamic or anti-government.

The 9/11 terrorists may have been Saudi Arabian citizens, but they trained in Afghanistan, which back then was the location of the Taliban and the worldwide capital for jihadism. That so many of the terrorists came Saudi Arabia may have had something to do with the then-leader of Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, also being from Saudi Arabia and favoring his own countrymen for an opportunity to strike a great blow against the infidels in the United States.

Adding Saudi Arabia to the list, fifteen years later, when Osama bin Laden is dead and ISIS has taken over from Al Qaeda as the leading organization for training and inspiring jihadists, would be plain stupid.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 30, 2017 at 1:01 pm

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  1. Actually, they trained in the United States. So perhaps it really is a good idea to ban Saudi Nationals from coming here.

    gothamette

    January 30, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    • They took pilot training in the United States, but they did train in Afghanistan, which gives us valid reason for being suspicious of people coming to the United States who previously spent time in lawless countries where there are jihadist training camps.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 30, 2017 at 1:34 pm

      • Oh, I agree, but I think that most of their “training” in Trashcanistan consisted of sitting around reading surahs, and so on, i.e., the fact that they were there was a signal that they were up to no good.

        The training they got in the US gave them the skills to kill us.

        gothamette

        January 30, 2017 at 3:29 pm

      • Another problem with the refugee process is the sheer chaos makes “vetting” tough (i.e., Bataclan terrorists).

        gothamette

        January 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm

  2. “Although their funding for Wahhabism is not in the interest of the United States”

    This strikes me as a bit of understatement. Saudi Arabia is the primary funding source of radical Islam. In every country, across the world, Saudi Arabia is funding efforts to radicalize Islam. There was an article a couple weeks ago how Turks living in Germany don’t even recognize their mosques anymore because of the radical ideology being pushed by the Saudis. The only “threat” we face from Syrians are Syrians who have been been radicalized thanks to Saudi money. The reason Iranians are no threat to us at all is because Iran doesn’t allow Saudi influence or ideology within their borders.

    The disease we are fighting, Salafism, emanates entirely from the House of Saud. Because the Saudis are such a powerful and dangerous enemy I agree that we need to be careful in the way that we take them down, and that telegraphing our moves with penny ante Visa games would not be prudent. But make no mistake, all roads in the war against terror lead directly to Riyadh. The House of Saud needs to be brought to heel or it needs to be destroyed. Everything else is just whack a mole.

    PerezHBD

    January 30, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    • The Saudi Arabian royal family has this mutual-support arrangement with the Wahhabi clerics, which is beneficial to the Saudi Arabian royal family staying in power, but I agree is not beneficial for the rest of the world.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 30, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    • what is this obsession with “radical Islam”? Would you prefer moderate muslims who quasi assimilated like clock boy and the fictional hijab girl?

      At least radical Islam is also an enemy of the western establishment.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 30, 2017 at 2:10 pm

  3. First poll I’ve seen has Trump’s travel ban at 57% approval (32% opposed). This was before the protests and Quebec shootings though, so these are very soft numbers.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens

    Richard

    January 30, 2017 at 1:38 pm

  4. Saudi Arabia is not on the list for the same reason Egypt and Turkey aren’t: it’s a functioning nation with it’s own border control policies. The other nations are all failed states which are largely chaotic and can’t be trusted. The one exception is Iran, but hey, it’s Iran.

    peterike

    January 30, 2017 at 3:10 pm

  5. “But the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Trump is stupid.”

    People who say this are attacking Trump from his right flank.

    On a spectrum from a complete ban on Muslims at one end, to welcoming all Muslims on the other, adding Saudi Arabia to the list would be a step closer to a complete ban. When progressives on NPR attack Trump for including Syria and Iraq but not Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, they are moving the Overton Window to the right.

    Joe

    January 30, 2017 at 3:54 pm

  6. Without mentioning terrorism or the malevolent Islamic attitude toward kaffirs and apostates, democracy itself is an abomination to believing Muslims. Allah, who is infallible, writes the Law (Sharia), not arrogant, flawed human beings. Islam only sanctions theocracy. There are no and cannot be any lasting Islamic democracies.Therefore, all believing Muslims must be banned from taking up permanent residence in the United States.

    Mark Caplan

    January 30, 2017 at 4:17 pm

  7. Saudis buy a lot of our gear with their petrodollars. Until they are broke I suggest leave KSA out of this travel mess. Same with UAE. We barely do any business with these 7 countries aND can afford to not deal with them.

    Wt

    January 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm

  8. > Adding Saudi Arabia to the list, fifteen years later, when Osama bin Laden is dead and ISIS has taken over from Al Qaeda as the leading organization for training and inspiring jihadists, would be plain stupid.

    Somehow I doubt this mattered as much as the fact that Trump makes a lot of money working with Saudis, including the Bin Laden family.

    Victor

    January 30, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    • You have it backwards. Trump has no hotels in the affected countries because there’s no profit in building hotels in a lawless country. Who would visit? And with respect to Iran, it was illegal for American companies to conduct business there since the hostage crisis.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 30, 2017 at 6:00 pm

      • I think you misunderstood my point. I was implying that Saudi Arabia wasn’t on the banned list primarily because Trump has business interests there. If he didn’t have lucrative business relationships with the Saudis, I think Trump would have gleefully banned and bashed “the terror exporting Saudis.”

        Victor

        January 30, 2017 at 6:13 pm

      • “I was implying that Saudi Arabia wasn’t on the banned list primarily because Trump has business interests there.”

        Pakistan is also not on the list of the restricted countries and Trump has no business interests there.

        Trump does not have business interests in most countries, and most countries are not on the list of the restricted. A list of countries where Trump has business interests gives you next to zero insight into who is on the list, whereas a list of lawless countries with significant terrorist presence does.

        Joe

        January 31, 2017 at 1:10 am

      • “A list of countries where Trump has business interests gives you next to zero insight into who is on the list, whereas a list of lawless countries with significant terrorist presence does.”

        There are no business opportunities in lawless countries with terrorist training camps, so there is some insight.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 31, 2017 at 1:33 am

      • “There are no business opportunities in lawless countries with terrorist training camps, so there is some insight.”

        There are plenty of places to build a hotel in Iran, and yet it is on the list. There are not many places to build a golf course in Afghanistan, and yet it is not.

        That the list is a byproduct of Trump’s business interests is sub-Marxist bunk.

        Joe

        January 31, 2017 at 1:47 am

      • It has been illegal for Americans to do business in Iran.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 31, 2017 at 1:55 am

      • “It has been illegal for Americans to do business in Iran.”

        If Trump’s actions are primarily a byproduct of his business interests then it would soon not be illegal to do business in Iran. Don’t bet on it.

        Joe

        January 31, 2017 at 2:20 am

  9. Lion – you are pretty dopey on this topic. Saudi Arabia is a major funder of terrorism around the world. They are smart enough not to train them at home. They channel the anger of their radicalized citizenry outward as a political tool.

    Al jazeera

    January 30, 2017 at 11:32 pm

  10. Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list because trump was negotiating safe zones for Syrian refugees with the Saudis.

    dsgntd_plyr

    January 31, 2017 at 7:46 am

  11. Honestly, terrorism is not the real concern, terrorist can come from anywhere at any time and this ban will do nothing to stop them. The problem is the cultural change that Muslims bring with them, sometimes within the second or third generation of immigration like we see in Europe. Admittedly, the situation in America is much better and Muslims don’t seem to show the same problems that happen in Europe, but they do stay loyal to their Muslim religion and ideology and who wants that in their neighbourhood. You can’t say it though, just a loud a clear “I don’t feel like having too many Muslims here”.

    Hashed

    January 31, 2017 at 4:04 pm


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