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Star Trek DS9: I can’t believe I watched the whole thing!

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Seven seasons. 25 episodes per season. Not like modern shows where a “season” is only 13 episodes. How do I even start to write a review of a s how spanning 176 episodes?

Overall, a better series than Star Trek: The Next Generation. Nine episodes into the third season of TNG, I couldn’t take any more of that. But DS9 still is not as good as more modern television. To compensate for the high quantity of episodes compared to modern shows, the quality just isn’t there.

My favorite minor character in DS9 is Vic Fontaine, a Sinatra-like lounge singer in a 1962 Las Vegas holosuite program. Unfortunately, he wasn’t introduced until the sixth season, but most of the best episodes from the final two seasons featured Vic. My favorite Vic episode is the one where Nog moves into the holosuite and lives with Vic.

Vic appears to be self-aware, and knows that he’s a hologram. And that makes you wonder why the artificial intelligence that exists in the holosuite isn’t used for more practical purposes such as operating spaceships, or for making androids that can replace all human labor. Why do so many people have to die in battle when the technology seems to be there to build a starship operated by artificial intelligence?

DS9 has a lot of Ferengi episodes. The episode of TNG when the Ferengi are first introduced has to be the worst episode ever. In DS9, they decided to use the Ferengi as comic relief. The most hilarious episode of the entire series is when Quark’s mother is held captive by the Dominion, and Quark assembles a commando team of Ferengi to rescue her. Nevertheless, I don’t think the Ferengi fit in with the overall tone of Star Trek which was supposed to be a show you can take seriously, but nothing about the Ferengi can you take very seriously as they are an over-the-top parody of the worst stereotypes of greedy Republican-voting businessmen.

It’s also hard to take the Klingons seriously. I have to say that I like the Klingons of the original series better. The original Klingons may have seemed like simple stand-ins for the Soviet Union (the enemy of the United States in the 1960s), but at least they were believable as a militaristic empire. By trying to deepen the Klingons and give them more of a culture, they really turned them into a bunch of buffoons who, in a real universe, could never organize into an economy capable of producing space ships because they’d be too busy fighting with each other and refusing to do any work that didn’t involve physical combat.

I didn’t like the preachiness of the final two seasons during which the Federation is at war with the Dominion. For example, in one episode, Doctor Bashir (played by half-Sudanese actor Alexander Siddig) is outraged when he discovers that a secretive Federation spy agency “Section 31,” created a virus to kill all of the Founders, the shape-shifting aliens who control the Dominion they are at war with. Given that the Dominion wants to conquer the Federation and they care nothing about the life of humanoids, killing the Founders sounds like common sense to me. I mean, it was a live or die situation. But Bashir is all outraged about “genocide.”

The war ended with a huge cop-out, replaying the myth of World War II in which even the losers of the war are better off being conquered. Throughout the war, the Cardassians were the enemy, but by the final episode, what really happened is that the Federation liberated them from the Dominion. And the Founders benefited from losing the war, because they got the cure to the virus which otherwise would have killed them all. Vice Admiral Ross even quotes General MacArthur.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 5, 2017 at 12:03 pm

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  1. Lion, do you think it’s worthwhile for someone who’s past the age of 25 to try to get into Star Trek? I respect Star Trek but have never really considered myself a fan. For example, I enjoyed the 2009 movie because it was fast, entertaining, and had above-average characters for the genre.

    Sid

    February 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    • It’s all on Netflix, either you will like it or you won’t after a few episodes. If you don’t like it, then don’t feel bad about quitting.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      • Thanks! That makes sense.

        Sid

        February 5, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    • Obviously not Lion, but:

      1. Chicks hate scifi. If you don’t have problems getting laid or you don’t care, don’t worry about this.

      2. The original series is a lot more slow-moving and full of old center-left ideology than the new movies, while being occasionally thought-provoking. If you enjoy fast and entertaining, I’d try BSG or Stargate.

      3. As conversation fodder with other nerds goes, it’s somewhat dated–everyone’s into Dr. Who and anime if anything last time I checked.

      4. There are multiple series with lots of seasons, so there’s plenty to get into if that’s your bag.

      5. As one of the first series to take continuity seriously, there’s actually an impressive amount of worldbuilding that went into it.

      SFG

      February 5, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    • Frankly you are probably better off Googling a top 10 or 20 list of episodes and stick to that. There were some real gems but most of the show overall isn’t that great. Also, I would recommend the episodes”Whispers” and “Hard Time” which may not be on the list of best episodes, but I think are the top two of the series.

      Also any episode that features Garek, who is easily the most interesting side character (sorry Vic).

      Mike Street Station

      February 5, 2017 at 6:54 pm

      • “Frankly you are probably better off Googling a top 10 or 20 list of episodes and stick to that.”

        I’ll try out Lion’s recommendation of watching a few episodes. If I don’t care for them I might try that out too.

        “1. Chicks hate scifi. If you don’t have problems getting laid or you don’t care, don’t worry about this.”

        From what I’ve seen, most girls don’t care if you like sci-fi, so long as you don’t bombard them with it in conversations. They especially hate it when nerds go into continuity issues. “Why doesn’t Episode 19 of the original series match up with what’s shown in Episode 7 Season 4 on TNG?” Girls will let you know they hate that stuff very quickly.

        I think upper middle class girls, especially Asian ones, don’t mind a touch of nerdiness in man they’re in a long term relationship with. Such girls don’t want to marry computers, but they do value intelligence in men, and nerdy hobbies are usually seen as benign vices in intelligent men.

        Prole girls usually despise nerdiness, however.

        “If you enjoy fast and entertaining, I’d try BSG or Stargate.”

        I enjoyed the new BSG series, though I haven’t given it much thought since it concluded. It wasn’t really one for the ages.

        “everyone’s into Dr. Who and anime if anything last time I checked.”

        It’s funny how, since Gamergate, divisions within nerd culture have been spilling out into the broader political sphere. In general, I think people become geeks/nerds for two reasons:

        1. They’re loners who get obsessed with things, even if no one else likes them. They tend to be smart but isolated.

        2. They’re people who look and act weird, but they still want to socialize and interact with others. They’re not smart but they like conforming with others.

        The second type of geeks eventually became SJWs and started bullying the first type of nerds, telling them their obsessions were “problematic.” The first type struck back with Gamergate, formed the alt-right, and helped parody leftist ideas with wicked sharp memes.

        Sid

        February 6, 2017 at 10:54 am

      • Stargate was pretty enjoyable. If you can get past the mediocre initial two-thirds of the first season, it becomes a LOT better.

        And then there was the best sci fi series ever, Stargate Universe, based on ideas from the Stargate series. Alas, it only lasted two seasons.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2017 at 11:08 am

      • I have to agree that it’s very beta to be afraid to watch sci-fi in your free time because a “chick” might find out.

        Of course, talking incessantly about Star Trek in the presence of women is a great way to assure celibacy. On the other hand, there’s a subculture of girls into dressing up as sexy sci-fi characters. But notice how the girls focus on the feminine aspect of sci-fi, the fashion, and not the masculine elements like the science or the future space battles.

        I once dated a girl who was a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica series. She was heavily into the soap-opera elements, such as whether or not Apollo and Starbuck would get together.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 6, 2017 at 11:12 am

      • “Stargate was pretty enjoyable. If you can get past the mediocre initial two-thirds of the first season, it becomes a LOT better.”

        I actually enjoyed the original Stargate movie, which most people dislike. I watched it when I was studying Classical languages in college, so the idea of the military hiring an Egyptologist (James Spader) to help them explore an alien world and analyze their language was pretty much the ultimate kind of wish-fulfillment for me at the time. I haven’t seen the other series, though.

        “On the other hand, there’s a subculture of girls into dressing up as sexy sci-fi characters. But notice how the girls focus on the feminine aspect of sci-fi, the fashion, and not the masculine elements like the science or the future space battles.”

        If you’re a girl who’s a 6/7, you’ll have a much, much easier time soaking in male attention if you like Star Wars and play Dungeons and Dragons, than you would if you tried to monopolize attention from jocks who are all banging the 8s and 9s who are cheerleaders.

        Geek-subculture girls also tend to suffer from above-average levels of social anxiety, in my experience, which goes a level or two beyond typical “insecurities.”

        “I once dated a girl who was a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica series. She was heavily into the soap-opera elements, such as whether or not Apollo and Starbuck would get together.”

        My late uncle was a total nerd. He and his wife actually remarried on the Starship Enterprise at the Las Vegas Star Trek convention for their 15th wedding anniversary. My uncle loved Star Trek for all the reasons male fans do (he didn’t care for the 2009 movie, which is why I don’t consider myself a real Star Trek fan, as I liked it), but my aunt likes the franchise for the politics, the characters, and the ideas. She also has lots of fun meeting up with friends at the Star Trek conventions in Las Vegas and being introduced to new people. That’s the kind of stuff women enjoy – they really don’t care about the design specs of Klingon space fighters.

        Sid

        February 6, 2017 at 12:46 pm

      • Well, the girls are right; the point of a sci-fi or fantasy setting is cool visuals and interesting situations, not constructing plausible worlds — the plot holes are starship-sized if you think about them for half a second. Why don’t they use replicators for anything more useful than food? Why do ST and Westworld have humans doing anything when they have superintelligent AI? (Soon to be an important question in real life, too). Why doesn’t Harry Potter travel back in time to save his parents? Why doesn’t Melisandre make more smoke monsters to kill the Lannisters? …

        I like a lot of sci-fi and fantasy but I prefer for the fantastical elements to be toned down. Like, Game of Thrones is IMO one of the greatest TV shows ever, but what I like is the acting, characters, dialogue and incredible production design, but seemingly unlike most fans I don’t find battles between humans and CGI zombies very interesting.

        snorlaxwp

        February 6, 2017 at 1:15 pm

      • “If you’re a girl who’s a 6/7, you’ll have a much, much easier time soaking in male attention if you like Star Wars and play Dungeons and Dragons, than you would if you tried to monopolize attention from jocks who are all banging the 8s and 9s who are cheerleaders.”

        Good Cosplay does add about 2 points to a girls looks, so if you’re a 5 or 6, it’s well worth it.

        Mike Street Station

        February 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm

  2. DS9 is my favorite Star Trek too. But TNG is not bad either, especially if you skip the bad episodes. There are few story arcs in TNG, so this makes it easy just to watch the best episodes and skip the rest. A good rule of thumb is to just pick the 3 stars+ episodes on Jammer’s reviews and start watching. From season 3, at least watch ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ and ‘Best of Both Worlds’, which are some of the best Trek episodes.

    I do encourage you to keep watching TNG, season 3 is about the point when TNG gets better, especially after Roddenberry’s death. Without Roddenberry’s left-wing utopianism in the picture, there are less restrictions on interesting and slightly more believable stories. His death also made DS9 possible.

    Voyager on the other hand is just bad. Voyager done right is Stargate Universe.

    John Hunyadi

    February 5, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    • Thank you for the advice, next time I am bored I will watch some more TNG. But first I will take a break from Trek and watch some other series.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      • Interesting, high IQ people get bored? I’m never bored, is this because I’m really low IQ? I dunno, just sounds so stupid. Lion, come to work out in Prospect Park! It awesome weather and tons of nice white people and dogs and horses too. I just did two hours, going to learn now. TV is for idiots, total idiots. Don’t you see that they control your mind with these stupid movies? Go walk around the park till you can’t move any more and then take Uber home, you’ll feel much better. Trust me. Get compression shorts or tights though.

        Yakov

        February 5, 2017 at 1:49 pm

      • Yakov, Josef Brodsky wrote several pages in which he explained why it is natural for even geniuses to be bored. He was, of course, a rather spoiled person – in his early 20s he was treated (incorrectly) as a great poetic talent. Real geniuses are only bored if they are in that specific subset of geniuses who are stupidly atheist or just as stupidly agnostic. Poor Einstein, for example, lived in New Jersey so that he could converse with Godel, who also lived in New Jersey. While Einstein had a first-class mind from the point of view of linear algebra and vector calculus, he was a barbarian, and barbarians, living on the eternal steppes of their Godless minds, are easily bored, and hence often wind up thinking life is only interesting when there is someone like Godel around to talk to. But Godel, witty as he was, and intelligent as he was, was just another well educated and witty guy – he had no real insights into the reality that keeps each of us interested every moment of our life, if we love God!!! Anyway, Brodsky’s description of boredom was ridiculously shallow, but, God knows, it would not have been if he had a decent theological understanding of the world. Proverbs 8 is a good place to start if you want to understand that boredom (like fellatio, off track betting, rudeness to the poor, escort services, stealing candy, and bad puns) is not what we were put in this world for.

        howitzer daniel

        February 5, 2017 at 8:20 pm

      • I dunno, I’m low IQ and very slow, so even if I could live a 1000 years, I wouldn’t accomplish a fraction of what I would like to accomplish. Geniuses are different though, who knows? But Lion isn’t a genius, so I don’t know why he is bored. Maybe he is depressed? That makes sense, but bored? That makes no sense.

        Yakov

        February 5, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      • There are no geniuses, actually. Mozart was close but he started at the age of 4 and did not stop for 30 years. Each of us is basically an aspergerite compared to our guardian angels, and those of us who accomplish quite a lot are often regretful that we spent less time playing with our dogs, flirting with our wives, and just sitting hand in hand with cute women watching sunsets. Nobody cares about Picasso and nobody even cares all that much about Beethoven and Shakespeare and Einstein, bless their little hearts. Pray some more, work a little harder, do good as often as you can, and the riches that can be found beyond the riches of our every day geniuses will be yours. Or just sit back , drink a beer on your porch, and be a good neighbor who people are glad to be around. You will figure this out some day even if I am not being as clear as I should! (the wish to pray is a prayer in itself, and nothing in this world is as wonderful as a sincere prayer)

        howitzer daniel

        February 5, 2017 at 10:29 pm

      • Hey Yakov I missed the Patriots win to reply to you!!!! It was worth it your comments always make me laugh.

        howitzer daniel

        February 5, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      • I suggest the ones written by Ron Moore. He was one of the producers on TNG & DS9, showrunner on the rebooted BSG. “Tapestry” especially.
        http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601822/?ref_=nv_sr_1#writer

        TK421

        February 5, 2017 at 11:00 pm

      • Pretty impessive that you’d heard of Brodsky. I’m not into poetry, just remember one thing from him: ‘A fool can be blind and deaf, but he cannot be mute’. No connection to anything, just since you’ve mentioned him.

        Yakov

        February 6, 2017 at 1:23 am

    • I agree with this recommendation. You quit TNG just as it was getting good.

      TNG was on when I was in 6th through 12th grade, and though I was never a regular viewer, I caught it as a rerun from time to time in college, and so it had nostalgic value for me. So I recently rewatched the entire thing on Netflix. I have to say, while there were some good episodes, it wasn’t quite as good as the nostalgia had led me to believe.

      One thing I was disappointed with, was that I watched it for the science fiction: the episodes where they get sucked into a wormhole and caught in a time loop, and have to figure out how to get out, or something like that. But the vast majority of episodes had main stories that were political in nature: they have to mediate a dispute in order to prevent civil war on the Klingon homeworld, or the Enterprise is carrying an ambassador to some peace negotiations but he falls ill so Picard has to step in as the negotiator, things like that. I found that boring. The episodes where the science fiction was front and center to the plot were few and far between.

      I too noticed, even when I was in college and more naive about such things, that it got significantly less corny once Gene Roddenberry died. In addition to the general liberal utopianism, I read somewhere that Roddenberry had a rule that there could be no interpersonal conflict between primary cast members. That was part of his utopianism, I guess: in the perfect, peace-loving Federation future, everyone gets along. This made it difficult to tell a good story since most good stories involve conflict. All the conflict had to be between the Federation and the forehead-of-the-week aliens. They started to relax this rule in later seasons, and in DS9 did away with it altogether.

      I never got into DS9. I considered starting it once I finished TNG on Netflix, but it doesn’t have the same nostalgia value for me, so I never got around to it.

      Hermes

      February 5, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      • Yea, TNG is better than DS9. DS9 is an intergalactic soap opera. TNG had more weird metaphysical Twilight Zone-y episodes.

        Dain

        February 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      • Agree, Seasons 3-6 were the best of TNG. Seasons 1-2 the worst. S7 mediocre.

        The Duke of Cumberbatch

        February 6, 2017 at 1:01 pm

  3. Overall, a better series than Star Trek: The Next Generation

    I would really like to know what you are basing this on. Can you give your reasons?

    I am only very familiar with ToS (my sister and I used to watch it every Saturday at lunchtime – what a fantastic show!), but I watched the occasional TNG and DS9, and I always thought DS9 was super-lame. No interesting characters; they don’t GO anywhere… lame!

    By contrast, although as I said I’m not too familiar with TNG either, at least they have great characters (Picard, Worf, Data) and villains. At any rate, it seems like the *best* of TNG is pretty good: the Borg and the concept of assimilation; debating philosophy with Q, “there are four lights”, etc. I’ve never heard anyone reference DS9 for any reason whatsoever.

    SJ, Esquire (formerly Samson J).

    February 5, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    • Well put, I agree. Also, I found the Bajorans or their religion very tiresome, and Captain Sisko had a bizarre off-putting personality.

      steve@steve.com

      February 5, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    • DS9 was the first Trek show that got away from the Roddenberry happy communist future and showed that no matter how great things were in the Federation, the rest of the galaxy did not have any end-of-history. Wars, economics, and most importantly, religion, still play big parts unlike Roddenberry’s version, when those were regarded as primitive. So it seemed more “realistic.”

      Mike Street Station

      February 5, 2017 at 6:58 pm

      • Roddenberry’s approach to religion, or lack thereof, bothered me too. I’m sure Lion will disagree because in a prior post he credited Roddenberry for convincing him to see through religion, but Roddenberry’s thinking that religion simply wouldn’t exist or be mentioned in the future was wishful thinking on his part and created some jarring scenarios. People in the Federation have wedding ceremonies, funerals, they ponder the meaning of life… and somehow, despite the fact that they’re always quoting Shakespeare, listening to Mozart, and making various other references to actual history, literature, and philosophy, the subject of what their own ancestors thought about these things never comes up at all, not even as a merely interesting historical anecdote? It’s even more ridiculous given that, while humans are completely areligious, all kinds of alien species have their own religions, which are treated with the utmost respect, and nobody says a thing about them being “foolish” or “archaic” or whatever. There was even a TNG episode centering around Worf’s religious experiences, with Picard encouraging him to find meaning in his religion! I guess that’s a parallel to how modern Western liberals sneer at white Christians as Bible-thumping rednecks while respecting as deeply “spiritual” everything from animistic tribal religions to Islalm.

        Hermes

        February 5, 2017 at 10:45 pm

      • ” I guess that’s a parallel to how modern Western liberals sneer at white Christians as Bible-thumping rednecks while respecting as deeply “spiritual” everything from animistic tribal religions to Islalm.”

        I think that’s a pretty good analogy. If Picard ever came across a planet of evangelicals, he would probably firing phasers and committing the survivors to some sort of insane asylum planet.

        Mike Street Station

        February 6, 2017 at 5:50 am

      • Roddenberrywas a Libertarian blueprinting a libertarianist future. How people get ‘the Roddenberry happy communist future ‘ is beyond me.

        Robert

        February 6, 2017 at 7:00 am

      • “Roddenberrywas a Libertarian blueprinting a libertarianist future. How people get ‘the Roddenberry happy communist future ‘ is beyond me.”

        Well this is the first I’ve heard that Roddenberry was a libertarian. It’s not reflected in his work.

        Mike Street Station

        February 6, 2017 at 9:30 am

  4. TNG, DS9, and of course VOY have dumb episodes. But all improve drastically if you skip the dumb episodes – even VOY, amazing. DS9 has the fewest dumb episodes, as long as you discount seasons 1 & 2 (DS9 didn’t really hit its stride until season 3, like TNG).

    JayMan

    February 5, 2017 at 1:07 pm

  5. Lion, I forget, have you seen Westworld?

    Up your alley.

    jjbees

    February 5, 2017 at 1:52 pm

  6. What’s the most meaningless job in the world?
    Condom vendor at a Star Trek fan convention.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    February 5, 2017 at 2:55 pm

  7. To me, the ST:DS9 Klingons seemed more like Vikings or germanic tribesmen then the Soviet standing they were from ST:TOS. DS9 was definitely flawed, but the then new (or new to me anyways) long story arcs of the final seasons made for excellent story telling. I do wish they had made the Ferengi more into hyper-libertarians, then the caricatures they were.

    purpleslog

    February 5, 2017 at 2:56 pm

  8. Watch The Young Pope.

    chairman

    February 5, 2017 at 2:57 pm

  9. now we know why the lion has no lionette.

    barton parker

    February 5, 2017 at 3:03 pm

  10. TNG is better overall than DS9, but DS9 was occasionally brilliant. An interesting thing about Star Trek is that the best characters are almost all non-humans.
    Spock, TOS
    Data, Worf, TNG
    Odo, Quark, Garak, DS9 (Dr. Bashir was actually genetically enhanced so he was sorta human)
    Seven of Nine and the Holographic Doctor, Voyager
    and I can’t think of anyone good on Enterprise.

    JimboHarambe

    February 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    • Enterprise was an abomination. Given its premise, it should have been the most interesting of the Star Trek series, but it was absolutely terrible for the first three seasons, and almost as bad during the fourth. The corny, undignified theme music by itself was enough to ensure that nobody took Enterprise seriously, but they made sure to reinforce that with a completely inappropriate cast.

      To the creators’ credit, they at least made a few episodes about the Augments. It was nice to see humans, albeit genetically engineered ones, decisively kicking Klingon ass.

      Stealth

      February 5, 2017 at 5:33 pm

      • Although I agree the first three seasons sucked, the last season (under new management) was actually pretty good. If they had started out that way the show would have been a success. Particularly if you were a long time Star Trek fan, the last season worked to service the fans. The had a great Mirror Universe two parter and finally answered the smooth vs bumpy headed Klingon situation.

        Mike Street Station

        February 5, 2017 at 7:02 pm

      • I found Enterprise gripping. It’s a credible nuts-and-bolts background of how the small, scrappy and backward Earth judos its Vulcan overlords then with its superior political technology rises to become a mighty galactic federation.

        Sort of like the US.

        Robert

        February 6, 2017 at 7:05 am

  11. CBS is re-releasing the complete series run of Deep Space Nine in a new, space-saving DVD box set on Tuesday, February 7. Thus, for the DS9 fans who didn’t pick up the series when it first dropped (2003) on DVD or balked at the high price for the show’s original DVD sets, now is your chance to own the series on physical media.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/star-trek-deep-space-nine-the-complete-series-dvd/5713125.p?skuId=5713125

    Oswald Spengler

    February 5, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    • Why not just watch it on Netflix? The series is definitely not worth a hundred dollars when you can watch it with a Netflix subscription.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2017 at 5:29 pm

      • I’m an old school collector. I like owning physical copies of movies and TV shows on DVD or Blu-ray.

        Oswald Spengler

        February 5, 2017 at 9:10 pm

  12. “And that makes you wonder why the artificial intelligence that exists in the holosuite isn’t used for more practical purposes such as operating spaceships, or for making androids that can replace all human labor.”

    They address this issue in Voyager. Apparently, the holograms that have been put to work desire to end their exploitation and become equals.

    Stealth

    February 5, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    • The holosuite is operating the spaceship, or more properly is a sub-program of the spaceship AI.

      Robert

      February 6, 2017 at 7:06 am

  13. Lion, I’ve been thinking about you. There are two excellent films you should see (I have more but see these first): ‘Barrio Cuba’ love and life in Cuba and ‘Sin Nombre’ illegal immigrants from Guatemala and Mexico, obviously with English subtitles. Great, great films!

    Yakov

    February 5, 2017 at 7:05 pm

  14. Deep Space Nine was the only Star Trek series up to that time that had chronically bad ratings. Even Trekkers hate this show. Mostly because its basically just a Mall in Space. Star Trek was always about exploring and this show doesn’t have explorers at all. Someone must have said,”Why not make a show on the K-7 Space Station?” That might have been interesting. That cool three armed station would have looked a lot better than this non-spinning wheel that serves no purpose but a Mall with Parking. You have to wonder why people who don’t use money have a Mall at all? Those greedy Ferengi are always talking about profits. Do they know the Federation has outlawed Capitalism? The only two merchants from the old show were Cyrano Jones and Harcourt Fenton Mudd, and they were both arrested. Sure there are those dilithium miners that can afford to buy an entire planet, but what planet would sell to a grizzled old miner who spends his life in isolation? That’s not someone you want running your planet.

    Joshua Sinistar

    February 5, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    • “…its basically just a Mall in Space. Star Trek was always about exploring and this show doesn’t have explorers at all. Someone must have said,’Why not make a show on the K-7 Space Station?” That might have been interesting. That cool three armed station would have looked a lot better than this non-spinning wheel that serves no purpose but a Mall with Parking.”

      The station does have a complement of runabouts and starting in Season 3, the USS Defiant is assigned to DS 9.

      Oswald Spengler

      February 5, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    • Roddenberrywas a Libertarian blueprinting a libertarianist future. How people get ‘the Roddenberry happy communist future ‘ and ‘the Federation has outlawed Capitalism’ is beyond me.

      Robert

      February 6, 2017 at 7:08 am

      • Yeah I guess you never saw Star Trek IV. Kirk says flat out they don’t have money. Sure they have some episodes where they go to places like the K-7 space station and they spend plastic currency called credits. But since they’re made of plastic where outside of starbases could you spend this crap?

        Joshua Sinistar

        February 7, 2017 at 9:34 pm

  15. Wondering if Lion’s post title is a reference to that old Alka-Seltzer ad. “I can’t believe I ate the whole thing”, from 1972

    steve@steve.com

    February 5, 2017 at 9:21 pm

  16. DS9 was a ripoff of the far superior Babylon 5. Where they actually explained why a space station would be strategically important and a major center of commerce. The aliens rather than being obvious stand ins for humans behaved like different species with radically different ways of thinking then humans.

    jew613

    February 6, 2017 at 11:57 am

    • DS9 is self-explanatory regarding its strategic importance. It sits at the mouth of the only stable wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant, duh!

      HBDfan

      February 6, 2017 at 1:27 pm

  17. “It’s also hard to take the Klingons seriously. I have to say that I like the Klingons of the original series better. The original Klingons may have seemed like simple stand-ins for the Soviet Union (the enemy of the United States in the 1960s), but at least they were believable as a militaristic empire. By trying to deepen the Klingons and give them more of a culture, they really turned them into a bunch of buffoons who, in a real universe, could never organize into an economy capable of producing space ships because they’d be too busy fighting with each other and refusing to do any work that didn’t involve physical combat.”

    Imperial Japan had a fairly martial culture. They built battleships and aircraft carriers. Their torpedoes, such as the type 91 aerial torpedo and type 93, were top notch. The A6M Zero was once the best fighter in the Pacific. ,

    Black_Rose

    February 6, 2017 at 3:27 pm

  18. I think the Ferengi were based on stereotypes of Jews, rather than Republican Businessmen (avaricious, cheap, big ears instead of big noses, etc.). The Jem’Hadar were sort of based on stereotypes of inner city blacks (drug-addicted, violent), but more effective as engineered shock troops.

    Interestingly, J.J. Abrams, who directed a couple of the new Star Trek movies, looks a lot like a Vorta from D.S. 9.

    David Pinsen

    February 7, 2017 at 4:05 am

  19. […] It turns out there is a reason why Deep Space 9 will not make it to Bluray. Also, a review of DS9. […]


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