Lion of the Blogosphere

Why is Trump evil but not Bill Clinton?

Randomly pissed off at Frank Bruni for calling Trump’s “Make America great again” slogan “darkly coded” and “dopily elementary.” (It’s random because Trump haters have been saying similar about Trump and his slogan for the last year.)

In Bill Clinton’s first inaugural address he repeated again and again his promise to “renew America.” I don’t see how “renew America” is in any way fundamentally different than “make America great again.” Or different than Warren Harding’s famous “return to normalcy” slogan.

Candidates promising to return America to something that was better before the guy or party they are running against took over comes from the standard political playbook that has been used for the last two hundred years.

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Commenter “Mark Caplan” writes: “In 2006 liberal contributing editor for The Atlantic Peter Beinart authored The Good Fight: Why Liberals and Only Liberals Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again.”

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February 12, 2017 at 10:04 am

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  1. Because he disagrees with Trump about policy, especially immigration.

    Magnavox

    February 12, 2017 at 10:10 am

    • Randomly pissed off at Frank Bruni for calling Trump’s “Make America great again” slogan “darkly coded” and “dopily elementary.”

      There’s a clip on YouTube somewhere with Bill Clinton in the 90s saying “make America great again”. I guess Trump haters wont accuse Trump of plagiarism in this case.

      Notice with liberals its all about “code words” and “dark”!!!

      Bruni also hates Trump because Trump represents the evil White America “out there”. Bruni is a gay guy writing for a left wing Jewish dominated New York paper. They hate the “White….out there”.

      Of course they also hate the “White nearby” in Staten Island and wherever the Jewish proles congregate. Borough Park?

      If Obama had used “make America great again” instead of “hope and change” they would have loved it.

      They would have said it referred to the idealism of Kennedy, the civil rights movement, the feminist era agenda of the 70s etc.

      Typical passive aggressive bitchiness of liberal women, gay guys and low t White dorks.

      Rifleman

      February 12, 2017 at 11:56 am

      • Bill Clinton said that Donald Trump and 60,000,000 Americans are racist because we say, “Make America Great Again”, problem is there are an endless amount of clips of him saying the same thing.

        Bill Clinton Said ‘Make America Great Again’ In 1991

        2008 Clinton Campaign Ad: Bill Clinton: Hillary Will “Make America Great Again”

        Rifleman

        February 12, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      • Ronald Reagan: “Make America Great Again!” (1980)

        Rifleman

        February 12, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    • Bruni also hates Trump because Trump represents the evil White America “out there”. Bruni is a gay guy writing for a left wing Jewish dominated New York paper.

      Pinch is an Episcopalian you worthless Milo-sucking faggot:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ochs_Sulzberger_Jr.

      Sulzberger’s mother was of mostly English and Scottish origin and his father was of Jewish origin (both Ashkenazi and Sephardic).[3] His parents divorced when he was 5 years old. Sulzberger was raised in his mother’s Episcopalian faith; however, he no longer observes the religion.[4]

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 12, 2017 at 3:00 pm

      • Cry more TUJ.

        Dan

        February 12, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      • Cry more TUJ.

        Is that it?

        You’re not even going to argue Episcopalian Pinch’s Anglo-Saxon genes are being rewritten by his Jewish genes to undermine his Aryan half’s ethnic interests?

        Or was the excerpt too long for you to see his WASP mother raised him as an Episcopalian.

        Here’s a shorter excerpt which you might be able to process –

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ochs_Sulzberger_Jr.

        Sulzberger was raised in his mother’s Episcopalian faith;

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:39 pm

      • It’s that you are ridiculously oversensitive on this topic.

        I’m Jewish and I can clearly see the vast overrepresentation of Jews amongst the Left’s media figures. I think that Vox is like 90% Jewish. The names and faces on the sidebar of the main page at Slate are comical in how closely they resemble something you would have seen in Der Sturmer. And look at some of the names you see amongst the #NeverTrump intelligentsia: Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, John Podheretz, Jennifer Rubin.

        Yes there are plenty of non Jewish leaders amongst both the Left and #NeverTrump and yes they are all vastly more powerful than Trump is, but Jews are greatly overrepresented amongst their ranks and their Jewish background almost certainly contributes to their passion for open borders and hostility towards all forms of populism. No need to get offended when people point it out, unless you feel like Jews should be immune from any and all criticism.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 3:55 am

      • It’s proper to get offended because people point out overrepresentation of Jews on the Left as if there is some sort of worldwide conspiracy, ignoring the truth of HBD which causes Jews to be overrepresented in ALL fields where high IQ is required. Jews are only underrepresented among Christian groups (because Jews are not Christian) and Jew-hating groups (for obvious reasons).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 8:42 am

      • should be “vastly more powerful than the Jewish anti Trumpers are”, not “vastly more powerful than Trump is”

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 3:56 am

      • It’s proper to get offended because people point out overrepresentation of Jews on the Left as if there is some sort of worldwide conspiracy, ignoring the truth of HBD which causes Jews to be overrepresented in ALL fields where high IQ is required.

        Getting offended is fine but lashing out in the vulgar and over the top way that TUJ always does when this subject comes up is ridiculous. There are a lot of Jewish people here, including myself and the blog host, but only TUJ goes bonkers and starts launching personal attacks when somebody points how hostile secular American Jewish culture is to whites and how dominant Jews are amongst the Left wing media.

        By the way, my position is that even if a single Jew had never set foot in America, the Left would be every bit as powerful and as loathsome as it currently is. In fact, I would even say that your rank in file American leftist Jew is *less* anti white than your rank and file Leftist white gentile.

        But facts are facts.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 9:01 am

      • I like that TUJ sticks up for his people. That’s a very CONSERVATIVE thing to do.

        What used to be called the “alt-right” but is now called the “new right” needs more Jews like TUJ.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 10:07 am

      • Getting offended is fine but lashing out in the vulgar and over the top way that TUJ always does when this subject comes up is ridiculous.

        If comments compare Israel’s occupation to Lebensraum then Rifleman will have to put up with it.

        I’m Jewish and I can clearly see the vast overrepresentation of Jews amongst the Left’s media figures. I think that Vox is like 90% Jewish.

        Vox wasn’t part of the discussion. I pointed out the New York Times is run by an Episcopalian (even a Reform Synagogue wouldn’t consider Pinch Jr. Jewish unless he converted).

        Rifleman was lying flat out. Do you disapprove of antisemitic lies going unchallenged?

        And look at some of the names you see amongst the #NeverTrump intelligentsia: Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, John Podheretz, Jennifer Rubin.

        All of whom were as incompetent fighting Trump as they have been the Democratic Party. It’s interesting that such a weak collection of columnists were still able to outmaneuver the even more pathetic paleo-right for decades.

        There are a lot of Jewish people here, including myself and the blog host, but only TUJ goes bonkers and starts launching personal attacks when somebody points how hostile secular American Jewish culture is to whites and how dominant Jews are amongst the Left wing media.

        Non-ethnocentrism is an unfortunate condition of too many American Jews, including many of those who post here.

        But that doesn’t mean the antisemites have anything of value to add to politics.

        By the way, my position is that even if a single Jew had never set foot in America, the Left would be every bit as powerful and as loathsome as it currently is. In fact, I would even say that your rank in file American leftist Jew is *less* anti white than your rank and file Leftist white gentile.

        But facts are facts.

        If those are the facts then it doesn’t matter what percent of the media is Jewish because liberal gentiles would take their place and do basically the same things.

        And btw, the owner of the Economist, Lady De Rothschild, – who has wrongly been labeled a Jew by Steve Sailer – is 100% Anglo-Saxon:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Forester_de_Rothschild

        Born in Bergen County, New Jersey, a suburb of greater New York City,[6] and raised in Oradell, New Jersey, the only girl among three brothers,[7] Rothschild is the daughter of Annabelle (née Hewitt)[8] and John Kenneth Forester, president and owner of the General Aviation Company, now Meridian, in Teterboro, New Jersey. She studied at Pomona College and Columbia Law School, where she volunteered for the US Senate campaign of Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan.[6] She also studied international law at the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.[9]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 13, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      • What used to be called the “alt-right” but is now called the “new right” needs more Jews like TUJ.

        As I warned years ago the quality of HBD/alt-right is imploding because of the growing presence of anti-semites.

        They need to be purged; at the right they’re going from one media catastrophe like the (((Daily Shoah))) to another Milo is going to have his contract with Simon & Shuster for a book about the altright rescinded when S&S figure out the altright is going down in flames.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 13, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      • Let me say I respect you: you’re well-read, well-argued, and have somehow brought back Moldbug from the dead. I have many fond memories of beer, schnitzel, and Unqualified Reservations from a certain era of my life.

        But the alt-right is not going to be purged to your specifications. Not shouldn’t be, won’t.

        First of all, the antisemites provide a lot of the energy behind the movement. There are an awful lot of annoying prominent SJWs who are Jewish, and sending them pictures of their kids in concentration camps is a great way to trigger annoying media liberals. Bothers you? It bothers me too. That just gets the Ricky Vaughns of the world even more excited. We’re an overclass that still thinks it’s an underclass…and it makes us fun to mock.

        Second of all, *nobody CAN purge the alt-right*. There’s no Bill Buckley to kick out Joe Sobran and Pat Buchanan anymore. The whole media landscape’s too decentralized. National Review trained all their guns on Trump and failed. Breitbart outflanked Fox and now has their old king in the White House. When Trump blows up someone will outflank them. Hopefully it won’t be the Daily Stormer.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      • I can’t be bother to check but I’m like 90% sure Sailer talked about Ms. Rothschild’s background or at least linked to her Wikipedia page.

        Alt-right anti-semites are hostile to Jews the ethnicity not Judaism the religion. (Many if not most of them are American evangelical Protestants, who basically follow a weird form of Judaism).

        snorlaxwp

        February 15, 2017 at 1:45 am

    • Meanwhile, Trump is coordinating with Netanyahu for a much needed American war against Iran –

      Trump considering all options with Iran

      http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/02/02/trump-iran-more-sanctions-kosinski-tsr-dnt.cnn

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 12, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    • I’m mystified why Rifleman’s comment was approved in the first place. He adds nothing to the conversation.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 12, 2017 at 3:17 pm

      • I’m mystified why Lion allowed you to insult another commenter with such vulgar language.

        CamelCaseRob

        February 12, 2017 at 8:52 pm

      • The Undiscovered Jew’s posts are beneficial for HBD.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 9:55 pm

      • I’m mystified why Lion allowed you to insult another commenter with such vulgar language.

        He deserves no respect, he’s nothing more than a liar and you are a lowlife for not taking any offense for his lies.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:42 pm

      • Ok please stop name calling.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 11:50 pm

      • The Undiscovered Jew’s posts are beneficial for HBD.

        And commenters like Camel, Rifleman and Dan are not.

        They should be banned for antisemitism and dumbing down HBD.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:43 pm

      • I’ve never made any comment even slightly anti-semitic.

        CamelCaseRob

        February 13, 2017 at 12:31 am

      • There should be a no name calling rule. I’ve thought of asking for it before but the opportunity never presented itself.

        I can’t believe I’m gonna stickup for Rifleman, but I don’t think it’s anti-Semitic to call the NY Times “a left-wing Jewish dominated paper.” It is, regardless of Sulzberger’s ethnic background.

        Why do I do this? Because I’m a fair person, even though a lot of people here think women can’t be fair, and Rifleman insults me by calling me “catlady” (I know what that means). Can you ask him to stop that, Lion. It hurts my feelz.

        BTW it doesn’t mean I live alone with a cat. The picture is of a very intimidating barn cat I adopted while living in a rural area a few years ago. That little killer brings back such fond memories.

        Now…..

        https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.xeOP1v879#.ucdQypEWd

        It’s Bannon’s view of the world. I haven’t read all of it carefully but I have it on my bucket list.

        gothamette

        February 13, 2017 at 11:50 pm

      • I do think it’s anti-Semitic to call NY Times “Jewish dominated,” because it implies the NY Times is part of a Worldwide Global Conspiracy to make the world more leftist in order to prop up Israel. Even though it makes no sense, what with the NY Times editorial page becoming more and more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian.

        If the NY Times were truly “Jewish dominated” it wouldn’t have anti-Israel editorials like this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/opinion/a-way-to-keep-the-2-state-option-alive.html

        It would make more sense to call Breitbart “Jewish dominated.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 7:23 am

      • I do think it’s anti-Semitic to call NY Times “Jewish dominated,” because it implies the NY Times is part of a Worldwide Global Conspiracy to make the world more leftist in order to prop up Israel. Even though it makes no sense, what with the NY Times editorial page becoming more and more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian.

        Yes and Sulzberger is not Jewish.

        I’ve pointed this out numerous times but a number of commenters who by now have seen the facts about his Episcopalian upbringing keep wrongly saying he is a Jew.

        I appreciate the Lion’s dedication to free speech, but I do think he should consider banning commenters who keep knowingly lying about simple facts.

        It’s a waste of my time trying to keep correcting the facts; those commenters who are antisemitic frankly add nothing to the discussion and are usually the least insightful.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:27 pm

      • I can’t believe I’m gonna stickup for Rifleman, but I don’t think it’s anti-Semitic to call the NY Times “a left-wing Jewish dominated paper.” It is, regardless of Sulzberger’s ethnic background.

        It is false (aside from Sulzberger being an Episcopalian) because the gentile writers and editors also include many gentiles.

        If the antisemites aren’t going to point to the ethnic background of gentile liberals like Dowd and Kristoff they have no right to focus on Jews who are just thinking the same thing as their liberal gentile colleagues.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:30 pm

      • I’ve never made any comment even slightly anti-semitic.

        This is correct.

        I believe I confused you with another commenter who is.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      • I’d second Lion’s comment about dropping the personal attacks. It kind of doesn’t matter whether commenter A is or isn’t an idiot. Much more valuable to the audience to attack the person’s ideas anyway.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 11:06 pm

  2. Liberalism was different in the 90s. 90s liberalism was about the workers, feminists and about the blacks getting their cut. Current liberalism is about open borders, Muslims and BLM.

    As Mag says above, the issue is 100% about immigration. This can be proved simply: Do you know any Hillary voters? Ask them if they would accept Hillary or Obama as President in exchange for an end to all immigration, legal or illegal, and they will, to a man, answer no. I have tried this multiple times myself.

    The stuff about “temperament” and “pussy grabbing” is just an excuse. That stuff may have been an issue for the #NeverTrump cuckservatives, but it is not an issue for Trump’s current opponents.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 12, 2017 at 10:39 am

    • “Ask them if they would accept Hillary or Obama as President in exchange for an end to all immigration, legal or illegal, and they will, to a man, answer no. I have tried this multiple times myself.”

      jjbees

      February 12, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    • This can be proved simply: Do you know any Hillary voters? Ask them if they would accept Hillary or Obama as President in exchange for an end to all immigration, legal or illegal, and they will, to a man, answer no. I have tried this multiple times myself.

      Maybe it is because I’ve lived in California since graduating from college, maybe it is because I’ve lived in silicon valley for the last 35 years, but I just see the immigration issue totally differently.

      Immigrants are what has made America great. Immigrants are not a random sample of people living in the country where they were born. It takes guts and determination to leave your family and move to the other side of the earth to start a new life. Immigrants face huge obstacles getting here. Those obstacles can be both physical and bureaucratic. Only the most ambitious and determined make it.

      Through legal immigration we have attracted the best and brightest from around the world. Legal immigration is root of American exceptionalism.

      Ending legal immigration will make America ordinary, like every other country.

      mikeca

      February 12, 2017 at 2:20 pm

      • how about as a compromise we only let in nubile asian women so white betas can find wives?

        gm

        February 12, 2017 at 5:29 pm

      • Anthony Weiner proposed something like that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 5:42 pm

      • Maybe it is because I’ve lived in California since graduating from college,…..

        Immigrants are what has made America great.

        Illegal immigrants have slimed America and ruined major parts of it.

        Immigration has contributed to making America a great and ugly mess. Especially in California.

        Rifleman

        February 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      • Ending legal immigration will make America ordinary, like every other country.

        Let’s play a game called: “One of These Is Not Like the Others”

        i) Immigration to the US pre-1850
        ii) Immigration to the US 1880-1920
        III) Immigration to the US post-1965

        Andrew E.

        February 12, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      • “Immigrants are what has made America great.”

        Immigrants clamor to get in, because they see America as a better place to be than their own country, and with very few exceptions are coming for no other reason than to improve their own standard of living. Wanting to have more and better stuff is pretty much Human Nature 101, considered praiseworthy by our ruling elites when practiced by foreigners barging in, denounced as “greed” when practiced by middle class Americans.

        When polled on the matter, most Americans want illegal immigration stopped, and less legal immigration. And yes, I am aware that there are polls that show different results, but those polls are usually commissioned by groups that have an axe to grind, and are worded so as to elicit the desired outcome. Polls that do not produce the desired “public opinion” never see the light of day; the group paying for the opinion poll pays the polling company and then quietly discards the results.

        Anyway, if letting fewer people in is a mistake, it’s one that is corrected easily enough, isn’t it? But if letting in too many people and/or people who will have too much difficulty assimilating is a mistake – which I believe it is – then how do we fix that? We can’t, we’re stuck with the results.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        February 12, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      • “Legal immigration is root of American exceptionalism.”

        That is so much baloney.

        American men earn less now than they did 40 years ago.
        https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

        America got to the moon in 1969 and was utterly exceptional then, outclassing the world in all respects, with better wealth, higher wages, and a longer life expectancy than any other country on Earth, by an enormous margin. That was after a near-freeze in immigration that lasted for many decades.

        America is now far less exceptional than it was, being heavily in debt, not leading in education, or life expectancy or many other well-being measures.

        For every legal immigrant Google employee there are 100 legal immigrants with far less to offer. In fact legal immigrants on average have far higher use of welfare than America as a whole.

        MikeCA, your Silicon Valley perspective is utterly distorted as you look at a small elite group selected for high IQ.

        But for what its worth, even with regards to the tech sector, you are wrong. America was leading the world 40 years ago, and the American lead in tech 40 years ago was far bigger than it is now. In fact, America trails in many areas of tech. Back then, there was no area of technology where America can in second.

        Dan

        February 12, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      • Let’s play a game called: “One of These Is Not Like the Others”

        i) Immigration to the US pre-1850
        ii) Immigration to the US 1880-1920
        III) Immigration to the US post-1965

        Pre-1850 is the only one of the periods when there were no illegal immigrants. There were no immigration laws at all. Anyone who got here was here legally. Totally open borders.

        The first immigration restriction was the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882). That law created the first illegal immigrants. More general immigration restrictions did not happen until the 1920s.

        In 1910 immigrants were 14.7% of the population. The 1920 restrictions combined with the great depression and WW II caused immigration to decrease. By 1970 the immigrant percentage of the population was down to 4.7%. Today it is 13.5%, very similar to the percentage in the period between 1870-1910.

        mikeca

        February 12, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      • In the 19th century, immigration didn’t happen much because technology didn’t allow for safe, fast, inexpensive travel, and there were no long distance communications.

        1827: First transatlantic steamship voyage, but it took a few decades for this technology to develop to the level where it allowed mass migration.
        1858: First transatlantic telegraph cable

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      • “how about as a compromise we only let in nubile asian women so white betas can find wives?”

        Ali G, is that you? ))))

        nikolai ostrovsky

        February 12, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • Remember those immigrants the Mafia? And those others the Russian Mafia? The Gypsies? The Latinos that make up the majority of prisoners in California? All the small business men who evade taxes? Yeah, letting in people from low trust countries is so wonderful!

        CamelCaseRob

        February 12, 2017 at 8:57 pm

      • “When polled on the matter, most Americans want illegal immigration stopped, and less legal immigration.”

        Illegal immigration can never be completely stopped. Have drug laws stopped illegal drug use?

        What can be done are things like require E-Verify for all workers. There still will be an underground cash economy. That will be harder to eliminate, but it could be greatly reduced with vigorous enforcement, including against employers. This has not happened because big business screams bloody murder about it. They will claim the regulation will be costly, but what this really means is they will have to pay higher wages for legal workers.

        The Trump administration looks pretty business friendly. I expect them to build the wall and not require universal E-Verify. The wall is a way of distracting attention and making their supporters believe they are doing something about illegal immigration without upsetting any of the big business supporters that like low wage illegal immigrants. I would be pleasantly surprised if Trump actually pushes universal E-Verify through.

        My personal opinion is legal immigration policy gives too big a preference to extended family members and not enough to people who can contribute to the economy. I know there are companies abusing H-1b visas. I’ve interviewed people that were almost being held prisoner by their employers. I’m all in favor of ending H-1b visa abuse, not allowing low salaries for people on H-1bs, and making sure employers are really looking for Americans. I’m not opposed to reducing immigration quotas and re-orienting them more towards people that want to work, create new small businesses and invest in America.

        I am opposed to ending all legal immigration, which was Otis’s question.

        mikeca

        February 12, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      • “llegal immigration can never be completely stopped.”

        Of course it can’t be “completely” stopped, but it can be reduced from millions to tens of thousands if only we have the willpower to just do it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 11:50 pm

      • Pre-1850 is the only one of the periods when there were no illegal immigrants. There were no immigration laws at all. Anyone who got here was here legally. Totally open borders.

        Mikeca, as expected, wrong again. The answer of course is:

        i) white
        ii) white
        iii) non-white

        And yes, that fact makes all the difference.

        Andrew E.

        February 12, 2017 at 10:32 pm

      • As ordinary as Japan.

        Vincent

        February 12, 2017 at 11:13 pm

      • Your post is so boilerplate that I am tempted to believe you don’t even mean it and are just trolling.

        You are a disgusting human being and you and everybody who thinks like you will be utterly destroyed forever in the coming civil war.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 12, 2017 at 11:23 pm

      • Your post is so boilerplate that I am tempted to believe you don’t even mean it and are just trolling.

        You are a disgusting human being and you and everybody who thinks like you will be utterly destroyed forever in the coming civil war.

        If you are referring to my post, which is not completely clear, I am definitely not trolling. The inscription on the Statue of Liberty says:

        “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

        I believe in traditional American values. I suppose you want to tear the Statue of Liberty down and send it back to France. I think that shows just how far outside basic American values your opinions are.

        mikeca

        February 13, 2017 at 12:47 am

      • “Pre-1850 is the only one of the periods when there were no illegal immigrants. There were no immigration laws at all. Anyone who got here was here legally. Totally open borders.”

        Both right and wrong. Immigration was heavily controlled during this period by restricting maritime privileges. Only ships coming from certain ports and carrying certain cargos could land at American ports and this was regulated by treaties with the various kingdoms most of which didn’t want to see their workforce fleeing to the New World. If you needed the permission of the King to leave and the King didn’t want you to and the King had arranged a deal with the American government to control passenger transport, guess what? You didn’t come to America. In effect, the borders were regulated as much as they ever have been unless you could get on a pirate ship I guess.

        Curle

        February 13, 2017 at 7:50 am

      • Immigration can be good or bad, depending on who you let in.

        Myself I think we could give it a rest. We do that every 80 years or so. Gives the last wave time to assimilate.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    • Current liberalism is more about feminism than ever. The rise of feminism has brought out a kind of leftist hatred broader than any minority group could muster in the past.

      Jason Liu

      February 12, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      • Yes and when you say feminism I think you mean LGBTQWTFOMGBBQism. Ie identity politics based on gender, which causes a rift between two natural competitors male and female (the genders compete in the sense that both participate in an auction seeking the highest best bid).

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:38 pm

      • I’ve noticed that. Really keeps me on the right, even despite my fear of the alt-right Nazi types.

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 10:59 pm

    • Yeah ultimately, immigration is their most important issue, but I doubt they even realize it,

      Mike Street Station

      February 13, 2017 at 6:29 am

  3. Good otis. Now the next step is to ask why Bruni is against open borders so much.

    Why does he hate the 1950s/60s that trump keeps alluding too.

    Why is the 1950s maligned so much by the media as a dark age? It is clear that our current milieu is the dark ages. But why do they think the 1950s is?

    The Philosopher

    February 12, 2017 at 10:49 am

    • Leftists regard the 1950s with horror because they view it as repressive. McCarthy was conducting his witch hunts. Blacks were discriminated against. Homosexuals were closeted and had to enter their bars through trap doors. Women weren’t liberated and had to get back alley abortions. Children were taught that the United States was better than the Soviet Union. Much of television and movies were G-rated and wholesome. There were no safe spaces. People actually spoke English. The country was swarming with white people. Oh my God, it was a nightmare!

      Lewis Medlock

      February 12, 2017 at 1:37 pm

      • Torn about the g rated movies… It’s good for society but bad for those of us who like our senses/thoughts provoked into the darkest corners of the human psyche.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      • I know. It’s good for the country though. Really Lenny Bruce is funny but once he gets too popular every comedian has to turn into Lenny Bruce.

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 11:00 pm

  4. In case you aren’t asking rhetorically, it’s because Clinton is a Democrat while Trump is a Republican.

    ScarletNumber

    February 12, 2017 at 10:54 am

  5. “Make America Great Again” is perceived as coded language not because of its message, but rather its messenger. Trump accused the first black president of having illegitimate birthright and has set out to rebuke all of his policies. It is a dog whistle of sorts just as Tea Party libertarianism was a socially respectable form of white identity before the alt right broke through. Let’s stop pretending otherwise. The left is genuinely frightened by this because they realize the subconscious desires it truly represents..an unapologetic return to dominance by traditional white America and its founding values.

    B.T.D.T.

    February 12, 2017 at 11:50 am

    • There is will be no returning to traditional White America. Trump is a globalist like most elites. Money is what makes the world the turn.

      JS

      February 12, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      • I beg to differ. The Great Awakening is already underway. Check out the backlash to Netflix’s “Dear White People” that came out last week. Anti-white propaganda and hate will no longer be tolerated. Boycotts of companies and agencies pushing white guilt and displacement will be brutal. The left has poked the sleeping giant one too many times.

        B.T.D.T.

        February 12, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      • No one in America genuinely cares for its fate, as long as money rolls in.

        Revolution will initiate once White law enforcers drop their battalions. But they will not for the love of money.

        JS

        February 12, 2017 at 4:07 pm

      • Did they succeed in stopping the series?

        gothamette

        February 12, 2017 at 9:33 pm

      • JS, you think you’ll be sitting pretty in Canada when all this goes down? Quit being so smug. You will be engulfed in the flames and drowned in oceans of blood along with the rest of us.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:41 pm

      • Not so fast. America is the land of uncontrollable hedonism and entertainment, and it will fall apart like the Roman Republic. I’m just watching from the sidelines. In fact, I encourage more partying, before the whole thing collapses. The harder it falls, the more the merrier!

        JS

        February 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      • It’s quite amazing that the country looks gloomy, yet bars and restaurants are packed every weekend. I have a few friends who bar tend and wait in NYC’s food & drinking establishments…business is good as usual. Someone is a fool for sure!

        JS

        February 13, 2017 at 8:42 pm

      • NYC is doing quite well, it’s the flyover country that’s getting eaten by meth and gangs.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 11:08 pm

      • Who cares about them? Neither does Trump.

        Try getting a decent sandwich in Ohio. Good luck!

        JS

        February 15, 2017 at 9:16 am

  6. The difference, of course, is that Trump is also a sex predator.

    Greg Pandatshang

    February 12, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    • Lol.

      CamelCaseRob

      February 12, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    • How many times has he been arrested?

      ScarletNumber

      February 14, 2017 at 9:32 pm

  7. You know why it’s different. Are you just being naive to score gotcha points? You know more than most that it’s about immigration. “Make America Great Again” really is code for an anti-immigrant message. (Note that I don’t agree it’s code for a “racist” message.) “Renew America” was probably understood to mean a return to e.g. FDR’s purely economic – as opposed to any other cultural baggage he had – message. Or something else liberals like about the past.

    Generically the messages are the same, but we know they’re getting at different ideas.

    Dain

    February 12, 2017 at 12:38 pm

  8. Actually Bruni has an illegitimate conception of “coded.” An observer can’t criticize a message or assertion as being coded if he himself prohibuts a starker or more explicit rendition of the message. No one can compkain of a situation he creatss himself. Bruni and his ilf will not alloiw anyone to say, ” a country run by wester european whites is better than one run by blacks ir browns. ” So, tough.

    marty

    February 12, 2017 at 12:43 pm

  9. It’s the immigration thing I’ll tell ya!

    JS

    February 12, 2017 at 12:49 pm

  10. In reality, when was America ever great? Every century and every decade in its existence were marked with strife and crisis.

    JS

    February 12, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    • JS, when I’d graduated H. S. in 1977, a plumbing apprentice was making $14 an hour with benefits. THAT was very great! I’d read that Ponzi (yes, the original one) was able to purchase his own house working as a bricklayer. Tell me this ain’t great? I’m not even talking about the early America where you could drive out the savage Indians and get tons of good land, and hunt for fur, and fish for salmon and farm. Think: fresh air, water, abundant land and animals to hunt for meat and fur, no useless nobility, plenty of freedom politically and religiosly (I’m not saying it was perfect in that last respect). It was and is the best country in the world and this is why the whole world wants to come here. This is very simple, stop playing dumb already.

      Yakov

      February 12, 2017 at 5:04 pm

      • America has no place for proles anymore. It’s only a matter of time, when Middle America transforms into a large luxury playground for the wealthy and globalists. It’s still not the time yet, but it will happen.

        JS

        February 12, 2017 at 5:34 pm

      • You keep talking rubbish, mate. Where is the world does a plumber or electrician make more money? Nowhere!

        Yakov

        February 12, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      • How many plumbers and electricians does America need?

        Why don’t you encourage Middle American proles to move to NYC, because there’s plenty of plumbing jobs there?

        JS

        February 12, 2017 at 9:46 pm

      • Because I leave it to the invisible hand. Mate, it’s not the trade, it’s the man behind it. I was getting new tires for my van, so the guy who owns the place is an Italian married to a Greek girl. We were chatting and he showed me pictures of 3 houses that he owns in Greece. He’s got one in upstate NY and the one he lives in in LI, is gonna buy one more in Sorento and he’s done. Had a picture of Trump on the wall. This is real America, mate! What life you think he would have changing tires in Greece or in Italy? Dog’s life.

        Yakov

        February 12, 2017 at 11:36 pm

  11. The shitlib multi-faceted, multi-front anti-Trump strategy is taking shape, and it’s a pretty strong one:

    MSM: Scream at top of lungs that Trump is a Hitler racist facist for every move he makes. Also call him mentally ill/insane (echoes of what was done w/ Goldwater).

    Government: Endless amount of leaks from unelected civil service so Trump can’t get anything done. MSM blows each leak out of proportion, calls Trump Hitler racist facist.

    Courts: Challenge every nationalist/anti-GC court order using shitlib judges on the west coast, which will be affirmed by the 9th circuit.

    Protests: MSM attention on Soros-paid protests in GC cities, vastly overestimating the size and impact of the crowds.

    Congress: Obstruct Trump maximally on everything, regardless of the issue. Push for impeachment.

    Censorship: Use Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc to censor conservatives more and more.

    Attack Trump family/allies: You see their attacks on Ivanka brand now and also on Barron, also on Bannon and now on Flynn. Expect these attacks to expand. Echoes of how Pablo Escobar was taken down (if you can’t get at Pablo, destroy his allies and friends).

    This strategy appears to be working, at least so far. Trump has been very quiet and hasn’t done anything over the past week (except get Sessions and DeVos confirmed).

    JC

    February 12, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    • Attaking Barron isn’t part of the plan.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 12, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      • Pablo is actually an apt example. Another man that was trying to make his country better that was taken down by globalist scum.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    • Except there is a problem with this. The American people want immigration enforcement and deportations. They want judges who won’t legislate laws. They want ObummerCare repealed. They want tax cuts. They want fair trade not free trade. They want a strong military and end to nation building. They don’t want anymore refugees. They want bank lending opened up again and regs rolled back. They want school choice.

      Trump was all the winning issues and all the crying in the world by the Left won’t change that.

      Andrew E.

      February 12, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      • People blame immigrants for the lowering of wages. In the game of capitalism, price lowering/lower wages is one strategy to undercut your competitors/expenses.

        However, I really don’t see a connection between the influx of immigrants and the minimum wage among NAM workers in corporate retail.

        JS

        February 12, 2017 at 5:14 pm

      • The American people are much more concerned about the deficit and debt than they are about a tax cut. In fact, I never hear them talking about a tax cut but they jabber endlessly about the debt. Only Republican congressmen care about cutting taxes.

        CamelCaseRob

        February 12, 2017 at 9:07 pm

      • Immigration has a cascade effect. Much like low sexual market value immigrants wouldn’t be expected to drive the cost of pussy up, they in fact so because women percieve their target market of suitors as bigger on at least a superficial level.

        It’s similar to the celebrity effect you see on social media these days… You can have 1000 followers and buy another 19000 and people have an inflated sense of what you’re worth.

        Also bear in minded that low wage immigrants push low wage workers out of work in the exact same way forcing those workers into other sectors of the economy increasing the number of resumes hiring departments are giving those departments a false sense of supply and demand.

        This is so basic I’m shocked I even have to explain it to someone as intelligent as you.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:46 pm

      • That’s because they’re stupid proles. As Dick Cheney said, deficits don’t matter. (Certainly not right now when interest rates are the lowest they’ll ever be).

        snorlaxwp

        February 13, 2017 at 12:54 am

    • What concerns me is this has to be having an impact on the less informed Trump voters. This is like the constant George W Bush attacks on steroids (Unlike Trump so far, Bush deserved some of the criticism). Bush derangement syndrome brought us Obama (and for a brief period Democrats had complete control of Congress). What will 4 years of intensely attacking Trump bring us? I am afraid to find out.

      Jay Fink

      February 12, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      • Yes, agreed.

        I took a look at the NY Times online front page because I wanted to see if they are covering Oroville (they aren’t), and there was an article about the “chaos” in the National Security Council.

        They attack, attack, attack, in every way. Russia, SNL, everywhere. Soon Obama will be joining in.

        I would pay more attention to that than to a gay whiner like Bruni.

        Oroville in a small town in CA that might be inundated with water because its at the bottom of a dam spillway that might crumble. The NY Times has nothing about it.

        gothamette

        February 12, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    • Trump is wasting too much time fighting outside enemies when 90% of the leftist problem comes from domestic power structures.

      The temporary Muslim ban will not affect America’s demographics in any relevant way, especially not if its overturned after his presidency. It’s just a show to placate classic conservative hicks who mistake tribalism for politics, and severely underestimate just how much (white) liberals hate them.

      Trump’s team should be finding ways to undermine the media, the judiciary, academia, etc. Nothing gets done while those people are in the way.

      Jason Liu

      February 12, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      • The Muslim ban was probably a distraction. No way master persuader Trump who beat 17 establishment GOcuck candidates and the DNC’s very own Cruella Deville Skeletor master power broker, breaker of chains queen of the dragons, second coming of Huey Long Clinton, no way can he be that dumb. He must have know something like this could happen.

        I bet he is secretly working on defunding California and the universities. Or something. We can only pray…

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    • This is where Trump’s presidency backfires. Her daughter’s business is dependent of wealthy liberals who are against everything what he stands for.

      JS

      February 12, 2017 at 5:32 pm

      • Her and Jared are going to make a lot more money now.

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 11:01 pm

      • If Trump really wants to make America great again, here’s what I want him to do:

        Abandon Manhattan, his residence and his properties and move his entire family to the midwest. End the Northeastern Liberal snootiness and get on with the program.

        Of course this will not happen. I used to live in Manhattan, why would an elitist snob become a tool and identify with proles in the middle of nowhere.

        Only fools continue to think Trump is for the average man. Elites never like the average man, especially Manhattan elites.

        JS

        February 13, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      • Some elites believe in noblesse oblige.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 10:50 pm

      • Most of them do not, unless there is an intrinsic benefit. Bill Gates uses his money to fight aids in sub-sahara africa. One gets a big tax deduction for doing this.

        A true Manhattan elite will never see eye to eye with a Midwesterner in his native homeland. Furthermore, the left coast seems to do pretty well, independently from the rest of America without a large influx of immigrants. This can only mean one thing and proves one point. America doesn’t need Middle America — the majority of Trump’s constituents.

        JS

        February 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm

  12. In 2006 liberal contributing editor for The Atlantic Peter Beinart authored The Good Fight: Why Liberals and Only Liberals Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again. Evidently “Make America Great Again” hasn’t always been a KKK dog-whistle expression.

    Mark Caplan

    February 12, 2017 at 1:15 pm

  13. C’mon Lion.

    Libs gonna lib.

    No other reason.

    I save my energy for other things.

    gothamette

    February 12, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    • I save my energy for other things.

      I’m waiting for your review of this article:

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/how-comte-overthrew-marx-part-ii/

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 12, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      • Me? My little opinion…I already told you I thought Stalin was a thug, not a prole. If he were alive today he’d be doing saggy pants filth on stage.

        gothamette

        February 12, 2017 at 6:37 pm

      • I already told you I thought Stalin was a thug, not a prole. If he were alive today he’d be doing saggy pants filth on stage.

        But I have much more for you to review. At least read part of the article,

        https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/how-comte-overthrew-marx-part-ii/

        The Leftists of our time were once referred to by Metternich as Boutique Liberalés; in America they are now referred to as limousine liberals; in Europe, champagne socialists. These labels describe their class well enough, but say nothing about their ideology nor how their ideology relates to Marxism. Are American Progressives – and their analogues, British Fabian Socialists and European Union Supranationalists – equivalent to Mao, Stalin, the Kim dynasty, Kruschev, and Lenin?

        Of the terms proposed to mark the ideological boundary separating the Progressive West from the Cold War East, e.g, Globalism and Cultural Marxism, none are satisfactory.

        ‘Globalism’ cannot be the correct term because the scope of revolution sought by Soviet Russia was as global in nature as are the ambitions of Western “Globalists”.

        Cultural Marxism fails in its role of distinguisher by failing to distinguish: If Western Leftists are Cultural Marxists and Eastern bloc leftists were not Cultural Marxists, then what to make of Eastern bloc projects such as Mao’s Cultural Revolution? Was cultural Maoism cultural conservatism? Cultural libertarianism? If it was anything besides radical cultural Leftism it would come as news to Chairman Mao. It would be met with such incredulity that anyone who suggested his cultural initiatives were conservative in any way would have guaranteed for themselves a ticket to a Maoist “re-education center” where they would be taught Mao is not in fact Chiang Kaishek.

        Soviet era Communists were also “Cultural Marxists”; as a definition it is useless because it defines nothing.

        But if the difference has not been adequately expressed, there lingers the sense of a qualitative divide between Western and Eastern Liberalism.

        Is what is suggested by intuition real or a false signal?

        By any standard Mao was a “Cultural Marxist”. And yet he would be as amazed – perhaps more amazed – by a Progressive of today who insisted there are at least 52 genders as he would if he met a space alien.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:46 pm

      • I heard about that. I try not to talk overmuch about the shenanigans in the alt-right here. I sense Lion is either not interested or disgusted. Can’t say I blame him.

        gothamette

        February 12, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      • I think many on the alt right use Jews as a foil for their anger and impotence but many probably don’t hate individual Jews. The writing on this site about blacks has at times been mean spirited but people with black individuals as friends don’t actually hate them. Same with Muslims. Abstract political theories are one thing, hating a living being flesh and blood in front of you is another. I’m hardly surprised that guy has a Jewish wife.

        He probably loves her more than any of us will ever know to. I feel bad he is in the spotlight but what can you do. It’s a war..

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 12, 2017 at 9:54 pm

      • I think many on the alt right use Jews as a foil for their anger and impotence but many probably don’t hate individual Jews.

        They are complete retards. Even if Enoch does care for his wife, how stupid are his followers for breaking links with him for having a Jewish wife?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:49 pm

      • I try not to talk overmuch about the shenanigans in the alt-right here. I sense Lion is either not interested or disgusted. Can’t say I blame him.

        He’s allowing altright antisemites to post here for some reason or other. While they are here and posturing as some sort of legitimate movement there is no reason not to look at their shenanigans.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:51 pm

      • I don’t like censorship. A moral failing on my part.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2017 at 11:52 pm

      • Nah, they think Jews are behind all the leftist problems. They think ethnically, so they have to have an ethnic enemy.

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 11:15 pm

      • “Nah, they think Jews are behind all the leftist problems.”

        Simply false. Guys like Roissy, Sailer and Vox Day are not PC at all on the subject of Jews. They are ultra critical of Jews and put a lot of the blame for open-borders/globalism on Jews/the Jews.

        But they don’t blame all the world’s problems on Jews and at the end of the day they don’t hate Jews, or even really dislike them that much. They just want Jews to stop doing some of the things they are currently doing.

        The Alt-Righters who do hate Jews work backwards: they hate Jews so they proceed to blame the Jews for everything. But they don’t seriously believe that Jews are behind the problems they rail against. As Zionist leader Ze’ev Jabotinisky said: “We are not disliked because we are blamed, we are blamed because we are disliked.”

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 4:06 am

      • Many alt-righter do believe in the Worldwide Global Jewish Conspiracy. Sailer winks and nods at his Jew-hating followers (something he didn’t do 10 years ago). Roissy used to be just about “game,” but nowadays he often retweets anti-Semitic stuff.

        I really do feel that the anti-Semitic stuff is growing. People don’t realize it because it’s happening very slowly, but if you compare today to 10 years ago, you can see it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 8:45 am

      • It’s only growing in that they have a bigger megaphone. Just because Roissy retweets some anti semitic stuff doesn’t make him DailyStormer. The anti semitism in the the alt right is overwhelmingly of the Steve Sailer/Peter Brimelow variety. It’s harmless.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 11:52 am

      • Lion is right that it’s grown a lot in the ten year period and on some level it is cause for alarm, but censorship isn’t the answer, but maybe that’s my pathological altruism speaking.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        February 13, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      • Simply false. Guys like Roissy, Sailer and Vox Day are not PC at all on the subject of Jews. They are ultra critical of Jews and put a lot of the blame for open-borders/globalism on Jews/the Jews.

        So what?

        The current ”Heartiste” might not even be the original Roissy, Vox Day is a nobody.

        But they don’t blame all the world’s problems on Jews and at the end of the day they don’t hate Jews, or even really dislike them that much. They just want Jews to stop doing some of the things they are currently doing.

        Who are hypocrites for not telling gentiles “to stop doing some of the things they are currently doing” – such as the fact the French & Germans invented Communism (minus the Industrialization and specifiying class warfare as proletarian).

        If French and German Liberals aren’t being blamed as an ethnic group for Liberalism neither should Jews.

        Jacobin ideology was much like Proletarian Socialist ideology, the latter of which reached its culmination with the Russian Revolution. Just as Proletarian Socialist theory resembled Jacobin theory the path of the Russian Revolution closely followed that of its French predecessor, but for two exceptions: Industrial policy and class.

        Industrial economics was ignored by the French Revolutionaries simply because heavy industry either did not exist in late 18th century France, or whatever industry there was did so in only a very embryonic form compared to what it would be by the second half of the 19th century. In the absence of factories to nationalize, the Jacobins instead nationalized the wealth of the Church and aristocracy with the instrument of l’Assignants. But if industry had existed, French radicals would have been sure to prelude the Bolsheviks by bringing those valuable assets into their hands.

        Likewise, the class war tenets of the Jacobins and their allies in 1789 were not developed to the extent they would be by the Russian Revolution. In the then quasi-Medieval organization of French society the middle class was grouped with the working class under the Third Estate. It was because both the middle and working classes felt their rights were denied to them by the clergy and nobility that the middle class joined the proletariat in radicalism. The participation of the French middle class is one of the facets of the Revolution making it unique among all others because it is the only one that won the broad favor of the middle class.

        After the middle class had been awarded greater property rights it never again as a class became radicalized. Correctly anticipating the middle class was pacified for good, Marx, Engels, and other Proletarian theorists like Kroptokin, Dzietgen and Proudhon specifically defined their Socialist movements as proletarian.

        But for industrial and class theory, the First French Republic was very much the Soviet Union of the 18th century. This is true to such a degree that the French Revolution deserves to be labeled pre-Industrial Communism; its initiatives and subsequent consequences confirm this conclusion –

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm

      • The anti semitism in the the alt right is overwhelmingly of the Steve Sailer/Peter Brimelow variety. It’s harmless.

        The altright needs to be purged of antisemites, they’ve been driving down the quality of discussion for years – exactly as I warned years ago. We’ve gone from GNXP to (((Mike Enoch))).

        The old paleocons like Brimelow are basically worthless even if they aren’t moronic (((Daily Shoah))) antisemites. They confused the issue of immigration with Israel because of their pet vendettas against the neocons.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 13, 2017 at 6:08 pm

      • Lion is right that it’s grown a lot in the ten year period and on some level it is cause for alarm, but censorship isn’t the answer,

        I don’t see it is actually expanding, it’s just noisier because of social media.

        But their right to speak antisemitic rhetoric doesn’t create an obligation for Lion to publish their statements.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 13, 2017 at 6:28 pm

      • No, there’s a lot more of it. Specific writers are getting a lot more antisemitic–you can see it with Sailer (who would rarely bring up Jews 10 years ago) or Heartiste (who may or may not be the same guy as Roissy) or Roosh (who was mocking Nazis a few years ago). You can find, on Vox Day’s site, a very civil conversation he had with Jonah Goldberg of NRO where they talk about why the Holocaust didn’t happen in Italy. Even Derb’s started, lately–and he was notorious in that scene for not being antisemitic and wrote about it a few times.

        There’s something going on behind the scenes. I don’t know if there’s some antisemitic billionaire throwing money around or Andrew Anglin just got organized. You know, I remember one of these lefty Jewish writers from Russia–I forget if it was Ioffe or Gessen–saying a lot of the alt-right Twitter accounts were originally Russian accounts attacking Ukrainians. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if the FSB were involved somehow–Putin himself isn’t personally antisemitic, from what I’ve read, but he’d no doubt use any tool that came to hand.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    • Does this nonsense mean Mike Cernovich is (((Mike Cernovich)))?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 12, 2017 at 3:34 pm

      • He is. A real one, not fake, like Edelman.

        gothamette

        February 12, 2017 at 6:39 pm

      • He is. A real one, not fake, like Edelman.

        I applaud his ethnic loyalty.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 12, 2017 at 10:55 pm

      • He’s still ahead of Baked Alaska in followers, which makes me feel somewhat better.

        There are few major alt-right accounts with over about 30K followers, which makes me wonder how much of them is using the internet as a force multiplier. Honestly, SJW anti-whitism is their best recruiting tactic.

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 11:16 pm

      • Aren’t a lot of the trolls who we call alt-right now just folks who migrated over from PUA Hate after the Elliot Rodgers incident shut that site down?

        These are useful allies, they completely bullycided Bill Crystal and Egg McMuffin during the RNC clown festivals know as the debates. They are weaponized beta male rage. They are to be applauded for their public service to the cause.

        Roissy was a much better site. When it was reborn as Heartiest it went down in quality and obtained a totally different commentariat.

        There used to be a lot of nice interesting commentators who balanced out Rossy’s cynicism, but the site is about 60% jew bashing now by content, so not as entertaining as when it was mostly game and anecdotes.

        But Roosh’s stuff went downhill to. It was much better when it was anecdotes versus ideology, which is what it has become. Roosh’s stuff as DCBachelor was light hearted and shared the spirit of the time, which was when it was still not too difficult to get laid through club culture. The world has hardened since then and Roosh accurately reflects this, so it’s not all his fault.

        Also a lot of the new generation PUAs just suck. It’s like they are boys who never grew up, or they have no unique personality, they are all just Krauser/RSD clones. Millennials are shit. Actually PUA has lost some steam. It’s lost it’s underdog crowd base and now every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks they are gaming.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 14, 2017 at 1:49 am

      • These are useful allies, they completely bullycided Bill Crystal and Egg McMuffin during the RNC clown festivals know as the debates. They are weaponized beta male rage. They are to be applauded for their public service to the cause.

        Roissy was a much better site. When it was reborn as Heartiest it went down in quality and obtained a totally different commentariat.

        There used to be a lot of nice interesting commentators who balanced out Rossy’s cynicism, but the site is about 60% jew bashing now by content, so not as entertaining as when it was mostly game and anecdotes.

        But Roosh’s stuff went downhill to. It was much better when it was anecdotes versus ideology, which is what it has become. Roosh’s stuff as DCBachelor was light hearted and shared the spirit of the time, which was when it was still not too difficult to get laid through club culture. The world has hardened since then and Roosh accurately reflects this, so it’s not all his fault.

        I suppose game was eventually going to wind up losing it’s youthful creativity.

        Still it is ultimately self-destructive to put the detritus alt-right element out in front of the movement.

        Farage would have kept that sort on the sidelines, if he had associated with them at all, during the Brexit referendum.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:37 pm

      • My point still stands, though, that the quality of HBD/altright discussion decreases the more antisemites are involved with it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      • Roosh’s mistake was thinking being good at picking up girls (which is a worthy endeavor in and of itself) made him a political theorist.

        That said there’s been an increase in antisemitism in HBD circles since I started reading this stuff over a decade ago. Maybe the neocons screwing up with the Iraq War and supporting increased immigration? I am honestly not sure–you never used to see Roosh saying this sort of thing, and Heartiste wasn’t even racialist when he started.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 10:03 pm

      • I think anti-semitism was more popular on the alt-lite (it was always ubiquitous in what’s now called the alt-right) in the 2007-2012 period during Ron Paul’s campaigns for President. But it was usually pretty mild and focused on Israel and “neocons,” and usually wasn’t open (how dare the neocons smear anti-Zionists like me as antisemites?).

        My impression is that it was at a fairly low ebb before Trump declared but then when ~95% of Jewish GOP pundits became fanatical #NeverTrumpers it became way uglier. Where previously they just saw “Israel-firsters” (for opposing Ron Paul), now, with their even more hysterical opposition to a candidate not even arguably anti-Israel, anti-semitic or anti-war (for non-insane definitions of “anti-war”), they appeared more like an irredeemably hostile force.

        There’s some chicken and egg here with the concentration camp memers on Twitter; I think the responsibility goes 50/50ish.

        Another phenomenon that I’d hypothesize is driving more anti-semitic content is the ongoing purge of rightists from “respectable” occupations. A few years ago even Sailer could still occasionally get published in non Taki/Unz outlets, now he’s entirely dependent on reader donations, as are any other edgy pundits with known identities. I strongly suspect that anti-semitic readers are among the most generous donors.

        Something to keep in mind is that Sailer, the PUAs, Vox, Spencer and the Nazis combined aren’t 0.5% of the phenomenon that is Breitbart, which is possibly the most philo-semitic gentile-run news organization in human history. Ideas that were only found in obscure blogs 10 years ago are now quasi-mainstream, so the audiences for fringey blogs are necessarily going to get more fringey than a decade earlier.

        snorlaxwp

        February 15, 2017 at 2:35 am

  14. Right now there’s a hand to hand battle going on in social media. House to house, dorm to dorm, mind to mind. Patriot vs brainwashed SJW zombie and of course, Master’s own revolutionary guard corps. This battle is unknown to us, but it’s clear alt right, nationalist and even the religious and paleos are starting to beat back the SJW wave that prospered under Obama. I CANT BREATHE – famous last words.

    The Philosopher

    February 12, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    • You’ll know the sjw stranglehold has ended when saying mean things about gay people is no longer a fireable offense. And mean things here can just mean being opposed to gay marriage because it’s unnatural.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      February 12, 2017 at 9:56 pm

  15. Frank Bruno is an exponent of controversial and regressive ideas that would return us to a less enlightened time placing us in the wrong side of history.

    Curle

    February 12, 2017 at 2:23 pm

  16. Libs also go apeshit when conservatives say “take back our country” .. despite the fact that libs use it all the time.

    Brendan

    February 12, 2017 at 3:33 pm

  17. Kind of OT,

    At what point did liberals begin to think that immigrating to the United States is a civil right? When did immigration become a sacred cow? Back when Clinton was president, it was agreed by all that illegal immigration was a bad thing. How did that change?

    Stealth

    February 12, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    • The population of Hispanics went up by 10%.

      More people went to college and had to take a grievance studies class. Federal reserve loose monetary policy sent more easily influenced proles to college. Rinse and repeat. Said proles came back to their families brainwashed. Eventually you get a steady creep leftwards.

      Defund and destroy the universities now.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      February 12, 2017 at 9:58 pm

      • Yeah, they figured by packing the country with Hispanics they’d get more Democratic voters. There was a book, The Emerging Democratic Majority, in 2002, that more or less stated it outright.

        You can find Paul Gottfried’s review of it in AmCon, which seems really prescient 15 years out.

        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/left-demography/

        SFG

        February 12, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    • I think this idea has been brewing for a while, but I think it has gone mainstream just a few months ago. I think we are witnessing history being made. The zeroth amendment in the making. If I am not mistaken, this idea won in most of the EU 5-10 years ago.

      See this for more info http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-the-zeroth-amendment-trump-the-first-amendment/

      Nice blog, dude

      February 12, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    • I remember the Clinton years – he may have had the political savvy to speak out against illegal immigration, but both the left and Wall Street made sure we did nothing at all to stop it. And don’t forget, until Trump, the GOP has been as strongly pro-immigration as the Democrats. Reagan was a disaster.

      My personal theory is that it is not a coincidence that we opened the flood gates in the early 1960s – right about the time when blacks were getting angry and starting to demand a bigger piece of the pie. No business owner wants to hire blacks, nor did we want blacks to have too much political power, so we imported an army of Hispanics and Asians – better behaved, harder working, and they dilute the numbers so that blacks, despite outbreeding whites, still haven’t broken the 15% barrier as a percentage of the population.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 13, 2017 at 4:00 am

  18. “Why is Trump evil but not Bill Clinton?”

    What one calls “evil” is merely a reflection of how they feel. When fundamental beliefs and values are violated people have a visceral reaction which causes them to label whatever caused it “evil”. So when liberals call something evil they’re really just throwing a tantrum over hurt feelings. I sometimes call things “evil” too. But it’s different because I understand it.

    destructure

    February 12, 2017 at 9:10 pm

  19. There’s a good article on the alt-right at Politico.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/alt-right-trump-washington-dc-power-milo-214629

    Better than the inept Bannon/Evola smear that appeared in the New York Times recently.

    Joe

    February 13, 2017 at 1:05 am

  20. Why don’t people who despise Bill Clinton realize that Trump is a lot of the same prole BS repackaged for 21st century consumption? I wouldn’t say either of them are “evil”, but they are both narcissistic con-men who pretend to be for the common man while viewing the White House as the world’s greatest money making opportunity. Clinton and Trump are great Americans in the sense that they are directly descended from PT Barnum, George Parker and generations of televangelists. Mark Twain would have loved the Trump Presidency.

    Peter Akuleyev

    February 13, 2017 at 3:52 am

    • A comment I made on another site right before the election seems apt here:

      Trump’s just spent the last 16 months fighting the entire global/globalist power structure without yielding to the incalculable pressures against him using only his own personal and financial resources on behalf of what he views as the common good. I can’t think of something more removed from Bill Clinton.

      Andrew E.

      February 13, 2017 at 9:59 am

      • But he hasn’t used a dime of “his own personal and financial resources”. He used other peoples’ money to finance the campaign, cleverly got a huge amount of free advertising, and he is currently billing the US taxpayer ridiculous amounts of money so that Melania can hang out in New York, he can take trips to Florida, his sons can promote the Trump brand. etc. And put Goldman Sachs guys in his cabinet, and an oil man in the State Department – the most “globalist” industries of all. Trump is a pure huckster. Why intelligent people are desperate enough to let themselves be persuaded by an obvious con is the interesting question, and probably testifies to the damage globalization is doing to people’s psyches.

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 14, 2017 at 3:29 am

      • I don’t believe that Trump did this in order to make his business more profitable. Because it just doesn’t make any sense. He did it because he wants to be President. I am sure that, ultimately, being president will cost Trump a lot of money in lost profits for his business.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 7:29 am

      • But his businesses don’t appear to make any real profits, if you believe the debt numbers being thrown around by the Wall Street Journal.

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-debts-are-widely-held-on-wall-street-creating-new-potential-conflicts-1483637414

        And that doesn’t include unpaid supplier debts, or the $400 million Trump supposedly owes Russia, according to rumors floating around the City of London. My impression is that Trump is a ballsy gambler, who doubled down and just won.

        Luckily leftists are too stupid to follow the money, and would rather knit pussy hats and talk about transgender bathrooms. I suspect that Paul Ryan is keeping an accurate accounting though…

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 14, 2017 at 11:02 am

    • I think Trump’s a con-man myself. I just think he was the lesser of two evils back in November, I think it would be beneficial to the country to have an immigration break of a few decades, and I think he’s most likely to do that by shifting the Overton window, as they say. And the professional-managerial-banker-PC-globalist overclass needed a kick in the crotch. Now when MTV tries to run an anti-white commercial, they get deluged with people saying ‘This is why Trump won’. They’re talking about ditching identity politics or at least dialing it down on the left. This is good, just as the left going down in flames in the sixties with the hippies cut short a lot of their anti-Americanism.

      But, yeah. Trump steaks? Trump University? America needs Bernie Sanders with his bad hair showing up with posters of Trump’s tweet saying he won’t attack Medicare. There will always be a left and a right. The question is what left and right we are going to have.

      SFG

      February 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm

  21. Regarding Frank Bruni — He’s a guido and openly gay, only gay guidos lean hardcore liberal among IAs.

    He also graduated from the U of SC at Chapel Hill, which is a liberal school in a liberal town, essentially, both the school and the associated college town are an anomaly in the region.

    JS

    February 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

  22. Obviously immigrants that came here to drive out the savage Indians and to settle the land were different then the ones that come to get food stamps(often the same Indians only from Latin America). This is very simple.

    Like Lion, I hate censorship. I would rather kill them (the anti-semites), then censor them. However, I’m less sensitive to mild anti-semites because I grew up among realy vicious ones and also because there are a lot of all sorts of Jewish nogoodnicks that are justifiably hateful. I think that if I weren’t Jewish, I would be an anti-semite, most likely. If I dislike gypsies (and who doesn’t?), why wouldn’t I dislike Jews? It’s like the Jews are on the top, the gypsies are on the bottom and the rest of European people are in the middle. Look, the only solution is for the Jewish people is to move to Israel. Millions of Jews roaming around the world is not a good idea. Jews are too smart, they dominate everything. The more the Jews were oppressed, the more they evolved and adapted to thrive under oppression. They are a different species now. Maybe one day the Jews will evolve to a level where they whipe out all anti-semites? No, bad idea. Anti-semites helped make us into who we are today. In the evutionary sense anti-semitism is very beneficial. Better to be an underdog then a top dog. A Jew can never rest on the laurels. If he does, he perishes. I think that just like a Jew is eternal, so is anti-semitism. All our enemies have bitten the dust, but we, a tiny people, are flourishing. Let’s just remind ourselves who those enemies were: Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Greece, Rome, Crusaders, Spanish Empire, Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany.

    If Trump were anti-semitic, could he make America great again? NEVER!

    Yakov

    February 14, 2017 at 3:27 am

    • I do think a hypothetical non-anti-semitic Hitler could have gotten the Bomb at least. Hard to see who else he would have used as a scapegoat though.

      The philosemitic powers (France, England, USA) do seem to have done better overall than the antisemitic powers (the ones you mentioned), but whether that’s cause or effect is anyone’s guess.

      SFG

      February 14, 2017 at 10:07 pm


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