Lion of the Blogosphere

Are immigration laws really suddenly being enforced?

Based on a burst of news stories, that seems to be the case. But the real truth is more likely found in this New York Times article reporting that this week of raids is really just business as usual at ICE, and stuff like this was happening under the Obama administration, but it just went unreported.

What has likely happened is that the left has decided (either through a mysterious central authority or by undirected osmosis) that reporting on tough enforcement by the Trump administration advances their bigger narrative.

But it seems to me that the left has made a miscalculation. The majority of Americans want less immigration, not more. These fake news stories about sudden increased enforcement of immigration law creates the impression that Trump is accomplishing things and fulfilling his campaign promises. And even more importantly for those who want fewer illegal aliens in this country, theses news stories create a climate of fear among the illegal immigrant community and would-be community resulting in increased self-deportation and fewer people from outside the country wanting to come here illegally. Thus the mainstream media is inadvertently accomplishing what those of us on the right have always wanted, and it’s not costing the government any money at all!

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 13, 2017 at 10:06 am

Posted in Immigration, News

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  1. Shhhh! Stop letting the MSM know that their “fascist Trump is arresting everyone” narrative actually works in our favor.

    peterike

    February 13, 2017 at 10:19 am

  2. Stephen Miller says these raids were more “robust” due to Trump’s order: http://www.breitbart.com/news/trump-says-undocumented-migrant-raids-fulfill-campaign-promise/

    IHTG

    February 13, 2017 at 10:48 am

  3. The rate of deportations has grown steadily since the 1990s. It increased during the Bush administration and kept right on increasing during the Obama administration. Partly this is caused by changes in the immigration law, but mostly it is caused by the increases in the budgets for enforcement. In 2003 border patrol and ICE budget combined was $9.2 billion. In 2013 it was $18 billion. I believe now it is over $20 billion.

    Mike CA

    February 13, 2017 at 10:52 am

    • During Obama it was mostly due to changing the definition of deportation to include turnbacks at the border. Vastly inflating the number of actual deportations. Don’t kid yourself, it’s been a LONG time since our government was serious about deporting illegals.

      Andrew E.

      February 13, 2017 at 11:28 am

      • It is true that as of 2013 (last year I can find data for) Customs and Border Patrol accounted for about 25% of all deportations. These represent people caught crossing the border. The number of people deported by ICE went down slightly as border patrol numbers went up. ICE detains illegals within about 25 miles of the border as well as anyplace else in the country. The increase in border patrol deportation is because of better enforcement at the border. More illegals are caught by the border patrol trying to cross the border and that leaves fewer to be caught by ICE near the border.

        I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. This is the result of Congress increasing the budget for the border patrol and building the fence on the border.

        Mandating the use of E-verify would do more to reduce illegal immigrants in the US than building a border wall. This would allow ICE to concentrate mostly on the underground cash economy and employers who are ignoring the E-verify requirement.

        mikeca

        February 13, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      • Mandating the use of E-verify would do more to reduce illegal immigrants in the US than building a border wall.

        I don’t think Trump has discussed employer enforcement once since being elected. Overall he’s been a typical Republican “business can do no wrong no matter how obviously destructive they’re being” turd. Even his anti trade policies have been super disappointing.

        Magnavox

        February 13, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      • “Don’t kid yourself, it’s been a LONG time since our government was serious about deporting illegals.”

        I believe you’re referring to Eisenhower’s presidency. Every president since then has either been indifferent to illegal immigration (e.g. Kennedy, Nixon, Ford), quietly supportive of it (e.g. Bush 41, Clinton) or in-your-face in favor of it (Bush 43, Obama).

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        February 13, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      • Interior enforcement, the entry-exit system and to an extent the wall are things the POTUS can do with the existing laws on the books. Mandatory E-Verify (MEV) requires approval from Congress. The 48 Senate Democrats will all vote against MEV. McCain, Graham, and the other 9 Republicans who voted for the Gang of 8 bill (plus class of 2014 amnesty supporters Gardner and Tillis) will never vote for MEV, and probably neither will Chamber of Commerce types like Cornyn, Portman, Toomey.

        As good an idea it might be, it’s simply not possible (at least not without spending Obamacare or Iraq surge levels of political capital) to pass MEV. This is why liberals and Republican amnesty-fans always attempt to derail discussions of immigration enforcement by floating MEV.

        snorlaxwp

        February 13, 2017 at 3:40 pm

      • 2/ Also, even if MEV did pass the ACLU would immediately run to a liberal judge and get it struck down due to its violation of the 5th/4th/Zeroth/haha-fuck-you amendment. See the 1986 amnesty.

        They don’t dare yet to do that with normal interior enforcement because they still see value in maintaining the fiction that they favor enforcing the existing law, and because such an outrageous decision would probably give Trump the critical mass of public support necessary to pull an Andrew Jackson.

        snorlaxwp

        February 13, 2017 at 3:53 pm

      • /3 Indeed, those legal beagles are already on the case! https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/everify_white_paper.pdf

        snorlaxwp

        February 13, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      • mikeca — “I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. “

        He didn’t say there was anything wrong with ICE doing their job. He criticized you for falsely claiming deportations had increased under Obama when it was really the result of a change in the way deportations were defined.. Of course, you know this. But you try to muddy the waters because you’re dishonest.

        destructure

        February 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm

      • magnavox — “I don’t think Trump has discussed employer enforcement once since being elected. “

        Trump has been in office 3 weeks. He’s still fighting to ban terrorists from entering the country and get his supreme court nominee confirmed. Congress only confirmed his AG nominee last week. He can’t get much done without them. He’s been working at breakneck speed ever since he won. . But you’re criticizing him because he hasn’t tackled employer enforcement yet? It’s only been 3 weeks, you twat.

        destructure

        February 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      • “Mandating the use of E-verify would do more to reduce illegal immigrants in the US than building a border wall. This would allow ICE to concentrate mostly on the underground cash economy and employers who are ignoring the E-verify requirement.”

        Wrong. Without a fence or wall, these illegal, worthless criminals are back in Norte Mexifornia in less than 48 hours. E-verify doesn’t prevent social security number fraud and the collection of welfare.

        Kick ’em out, keep ’em out. Build That Fence, President Trump.

        hard9bf

        February 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      • Illegal immigration is best fought on all fronts. Make it harder to get in by building walls/fences plus more border security, make it hard if impossible to get a paying job once here, more ICE raids and deportations.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 9:38 pm

      • Destructure: I’m not small minded and irrational and obsessed with an issue as trivial as terrorism. And evne if I were Trump is going about it in a stupid way by lying about the lack of vetting, infuriating and radicalizing Muslims in order to pander to his base, refusing to stick up to politically influential supporters of terrorism like Saudi Arabia, all in order to get some temporary ban that he couldn’t even be bothered to prepare a legal or media defense for.

        He abandoned any pretext of making the republican party into a pro worker party with his cabinet picks, especially labor which was a major kick in the pants to the white working class, and it looks like that pro business pro wealthy mentality means he’s not going to utilize employer sanctions in the fight against illegal immigration.

        Magnavox

        February 13, 2017 at 10:09 pm

      • I don’t buy into the liberal nonsense that Muslims become radicalized because we don’t welcome them enough with open arms.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 10:52 pm

    • Obama essentially did not deport from the interior unless the person was a felon. It was something ridiculous like 90% of the deportations from the interior were felons.

      Obama was a traitor who threw the borders wide open.

      I also don’t buy that the deportations are business as usual. Large amounts of non felons are being swept up in these raids. Immigrants are being targeted at court houses. This is a new. Lot’s of fear in the immigrant community.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 13, 2017 at 11:39 am

      • What Republicans have been saying for many years is the US has to secure the border first. Congress has been allocating new funding to secure the border.

        Obama tried to secure the border by focusing enforcement efforts at the border to stop illegal crossing.

        mikeca

        February 13, 2017 at 2:31 pm

      • Obama never REALLY wanted to secure anything.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      • What Republicans have been saying for many years is the US has to secure the border first. Congress has been allocating new funding to secure the border.

        Unless Mexico collapses you can virtually eliminate illegal immigration form that country purely by going after employers, landlords, banking service providers, etc (all of which can pay for themselves through fines).

        When Republicans talk about securing the border first they don’t mean literally securing at the border, they mean reducing illegal immigration before giving amnesty.

        Magnavox

        February 13, 2017 at 10:02 pm

  4. Don’t underestimate the Cathedral. This is part of a two-pronged approach; bombard the public with statistics at the same time as they’re worn down with anecdotes about the sob story du jour. Remember the “grim milestones?”

    But anyway, the proles are not the main target audience of the NYT’s reporting. They want to outrage and energize their lefty readership — specifically, they want to make clear that all immigration enforcement is capital-U Unacceptable, and so encourage lefty lawyers to take on illegals’ cases pro bono, and lefty judges (in the most advanced areas, lefty juries and law enforcement also) to nullify immigration laws.

    snorlaxwp

    February 13, 2017 at 11:07 am

    • They don’t care if Trump is reelected, they don’t even care all that much about the Supreme Court, just so long as he’s prevented from doing anything about immigration. That, to them, is a victory. And it is.

      snorlaxwp

      February 13, 2017 at 11:12 am

      • The left’s mid to long-term objective is to turn the US and Europe into majority non-white countries. They believe doing so will be the long awaited antidote to the greatest evil of all time: racism. And of course, if you support this goal, it proves you’re a good person, whereas the people who resent and oppose it have proven themselves to be history’s bad guys.

        Sure, this policy will cost them in the short to mid-term, but eventually if they can thwart Trump and keep The Great Replacement going, and thus ensure the “browning” of America, the left believes it will have a permanent electoral majority.

        Sid

        February 13, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    • The sob stories move me deeply. I am appalled when I see anchor babies torn from their illegal, deported parents. We must keep the family unified and intact: deport the anchor babies until they’re age 18. Even better, end birthright citizenship.

      Kick ’em out, keep ’em out. Build That Wall, President Trump

      hard9bf

      February 13, 2017 at 8:43 pm

  5. Lefties have been celebrating Trump hitting 40/55 in Gallup, but I don’t buy the poll; or rather, I don’t buy that it is a permanent shift as opposed to a one off. Ras has him at 52, one less than last week and PPD has him at 54, one more than they had him last week.

    We’ll see if Trump rebounds in Gallup today. My belief is that Trump has essentially the same level of popularity that he did on Inauguration Day but has lost 3 or 4 points since his post Inaugural bounce.

    My guess is that amongst American citizen adults he has the support of about half the population.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 13, 2017 at 11:44 am

    • Fact is, whether it’s 45 or 55 he’s pretty unpopular. But who cares, nobody will remember any of this in two years anyway.

      Two in the Bush

      February 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      • Yes the same polling organizations that predicted Trump couldn’t possibly get elected now say Trump is unpopular.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • It makes perfect sense that Trump would be substantially less popular among the broader population than he was among voters. Trump would have been completely walloped with compulsory voting.

        Magnavox

        February 13, 2017 at 12:52 pm

      • 45 amongst adults would be fine considering how polarized the country is. I feel like the evidence shows that Trump currently has the support of most 2018 likely voters.

        In any case, the meme on the Left is that Trump is extremely unpopular and losing popularity rapidly. The truth is that the country is split and has been split since the Inauguration.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 13, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      • In the polls where Trump is doing terribly, Democrats often make up 10% more of those polled than Republicans, meaning they’re greatly oversampled.

        It’s not nice to say, but pollsters are often performing massive psy-ops on Republicans. The point is to sap morale among conservatives. Heck, the Podesta emails stated this was precisely the motivation of creating and publishing such polls.

        Sid

        February 13, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      • sid — “It’s not nice to say, but pollsters are often performing massive psy-ops on Republicans”

        I’ve thought so for years. During the 90’s Clinton promised to enforce immigration laws while the polls were saying the public was divided. I knew the Dems didn’t really want to enforce the immigration laws. So the only reason he’d be saying it is if he knew the polls were bogus. The polls were lying and so was he.

        destructure

        February 13, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      • “I knew the Dems didn’t really want to enforce the immigration laws… The polls were lying and so was he.”

        To be fair, the more illegal immigration there is in the US, the more divided and stark the response tends to be. In 2004 I supported a pathway to citizenship for illegals who worked their butts off and committed no crimes other than illegally entering the country. In return, we’d take in no more illegals, and we would first need to have border security be our paramount immigration policy for several years before countenancing the pathway to citizenship.

        Then I learned about HBD and reevaluated my political positions, and saw how the Democrats used immigration has a means to drown out the concerns and interests of legacy America. Now I believe such a policy would be an utter disaster, and once such a policy were implemented, any border controls would be fast dismantled at a politically opportune time.

        In contrast, the Democrats saw the same things I did, only that they regarded HBD as racist pseudoscience, and wanted more immigration more than ever, believing it’d make electing a Republican president a near-impossibility, not particularly once Texas turned blue.

        And for what it’s worth, I want a vigorous Democratic Party. They’re more skeptical of Wall Street, big money in politics, and are less beholden to unhelpful Christian fundamentalists than the Republicans are. I just want a party that doesn’t win elections by replacing the people they’re supposed to be serving!

        Sid

        February 13, 2017 at 7:27 pm

      • Fake polls produced by the fakestream media, always oversampling Democrats over Republicans by 8 to 10 percentage points. 100% fake news.

        hard9bf

        February 13, 2017 at 8:45 pm

      • ‘ means to drown out the concerns and interests of legacy America.

        Legacy America is a good term. That is what the left wants to destroy. Many so called “conservatives” also want to destroy white countries and white people.

        This country will never be what it was up the late 70’s, so these people have succeeded in destroying it.

        Just about every decision since the 50’s has been an attack on white people and free association. And white people are paying for the privilege through taxes to have their country stolen from them.

        I don’t know why the legacy black population is for all this immigration either. Newly arrived blacks, Asians and Hispanics and others had nothing to do with slavery.

        ttgy

        February 13, 2017 at 10:14 pm

      • “Legacy America is a good term.”

        I adapted it from a tweet by Audacious Epigone: https://twitter.com/AudaciousEpigon/status/830869099873988609

        “This country will never be what it was up the late 70’s, so these people have succeeded in destroying it.”

        At this point, I don’t see the genie of white identity politics ever going back in the bottle. Even if Trump wins the uphill battle and most illegals go back home, future immigration is severely limited, and white fertility rates shoot up (the last one being the hardest for Trump to effect), white identity politics is here to stay. The days of “colorblind” politics, or the illusion thereof, aren’t coming back.

        “I don’t know why the legacy black population is for all this immigration either. Newly arrived blacks, Asians and Hispanics and others had nothing to do with slavery.”

        To be honest, I expect blacks are even more suspicious and resentful of mass immigration than whites are. Illegal immigrants compete directly with blacks in the employment arena, move into their poor neighborhoods, and inevitably take up their welfare and Affirmative Action benefits too. Blacks also resent having to share victimhood status.

        For awhile, it was possible to get white women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims, etc. whipped up and voting for Democrats by pointing the finger at white men, but division within their ranks was always inevitable and we’ve been seeing some of the frictions between them over the last few years.

        Sid

        February 14, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    • Gallup approval polls are not registered voters, but “All Adults.” GOP always does worse in All Adult polls. Voter polls asking the same questions about Trump show him underwater by more like 5 points, not 15.

      Lot

      February 13, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • I believe it. Many of the Trump haters I know of are staunch non-voters. I say staunch because they would bash Trump the entire election season and still not muster the energy to vote. I find this is especially true of Hispanics.

        Jay Fink

        February 14, 2017 at 7:28 am

  6. The legal influx of non-whites are just as problematic as illegal immigrants.

    JS

    February 13, 2017 at 12:48 pm

  7. The market is advancing and people are unhappy? Don’t make me laugh now. The country has been energized by Trump like never before. Don’t pay any attention to the polls. Trump is a new Founing Farher.

    Yakov

    February 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    • If Trump succeeds then he may very well be.

      destructure

      February 13, 2017 at 4:40 pm

  8. We need a law that says if you are caught illegally residing in the US you cannot become a citizen. Maybe Trump could make it an executive order.

    cesqy

    February 13, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    • Isn’t felony conviction already considered when doling out citizenship?

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      February 13, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    • Indeed. But I’d go even further, The children of those illegally residing can not be citizens.

      destructure

      February 13, 2017 at 4:42 pm

  9. ICE is immigration and CUSTOMS enforcement, during Obama many of the resources were shifted to policing customs (including prostitutes on Craigslist) and I assume those officers will be shifted back to immigration.

    bjdubbs

    February 13, 2017 at 1:10 pm

  10. It makes a difference what the person at the top is saying. For 16 years the President was winking that illegal immigration is not that bad.

    Today’s president is making it clear that illegal immigration is ILLEGAL and the law will be enforced. I bet ICE is now responding more aggressively towards illegal immigrants. People in the world thinking of immigrating illegally are also hesitating.

    I would like Trump to focus on three more things:

    1) In state tuition for illegals. According to IIRIRA, if a state offers in state tuition to illegals it must offer out-of-state Americans the same tuition. State schools have been ignoring this rule. Trump should enforce it. That’ll make him more popular with college student and parents.

    2) Come down harder on Sanctuary Cities.

    3) Start arresting and fining repeat employers of illegals.

    Jimi

    February 13, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    • Trump has to make the economic impact of illegals highly apparent to the few remaining holdout white democrats.

      The in state tuition tactic sounds like one such thing.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      February 13, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    • Why are illegal immigrants allowed to matriculate at universities at all? I think I saw some article on VDARE where the author suggested criminally prosecuting schools for aiding illegal immigration and going after their endowments.

      Magnavox

      February 13, 2017 at 10:14 pm

  11. Here is the ICE press release on the recent raids. A total of 680 people arrested with 75% being criminal aliens. It says “ICE conducts these kind of targeted enforcement operations regularly and has for many years.” Not clear from this press release if scale of this operation was larger.

    https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/statement-secretary-kelly-recent-ice-enforcement-actions

    mikeca

    February 13, 2017 at 3:53 pm

  12. Reuters is reporting that the level of deportations has not been increasing:

    “[Mexico’s Foreign Minister Luis] Videgaray said in a television interview that the number of deported Mexicans was following the same trends as last year, and was even slightly lower.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-mexico-idUSKBN15S1J2?il=0

    Joe

    February 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    • If people leave on their own, then there is no record of their deportation. What matters is how many leave, not how many are physically removed by law enforcement. So, what we all would like to know is how many are actually leaving and that is harder to quantify.

      not too late

      February 13, 2017 at 7:05 pm

      • Trump should minimize the number deported. Deportations cost money and attract unwanted media attention. Self deportation is the way to go.

        Magnavox

        February 13, 2017 at 10:16 pm

      • It’s the very media attention that’s necessary to encourage self-deportation.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 13, 2017 at 10:53 pm

  13. Irrelevant. Without a fence, all these ICE raids are pointless catch-and-release. They’ll be back home in Norte Mexifornia 48 hours from now.

    Kick ’em out, keep ’em out — Build That Fence, President Trump.

    hard9bf

    February 13, 2017 at 8:37 pm

  14. OT: Saw this on MarginalRevolution, but it’s in this blog’s wheelhouse: http://www.businessinsider.com/check-cashing-stores-good-deal-upenn-professor-2017-2?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=referral

    After working for a check-cashing outfit, an Ivy League prof believes prole customers are acting in their rational self-interest.

    Vince

    February 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    • Only a stupid libertarian would think that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 13, 2017 at 10:49 pm

      • Except it’s true. If you know that you’re going to struggle with keeping a reasonable bank balance (10k+), it makes sense to avoid overdraft fees, avoid debit/credit cards, and avoid taxes on transactions in various ways by using cash.

        Poor people are not as stupid at managing their lives as most people imagine. They are simply immoral, which is very different.

        zz

        February 14, 2017 at 8:48 am

      • And the reason their bank account balance is below 10K is because they wasted their tax refund on a trip to Disneyworld.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 9:03 am

  15. So how about Michael Flynn?

    GondwanaMan

    February 13, 2017 at 11:21 pm


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