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Do Dems hate the white working class too much to win them over?

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The MSM is still talking about why the white working class voted for Trump.

Let’s review what the liberal elites think. The liberal elites believe that having a good career is a reward for doing the right things. The right things include getting good grades in high school and then going to college where you become smart enough to work in a good career.

Liberal elites don’t believe in HBD. If a white person, especially a white male, fails to go to college and “make something of themselves,” it’s because they were too lazy and too stupid (stupid in a moral sense and not an IQ sense) to do the right things, despite their white privilege. On the other hand, if a black or Hispanic fails to go to college, that’s because of pervasive racism, and therefore they deserve the help and sympathy of the government as compensation.

Given that the liberal elites who control the Democratic Party believe this, how can they convince the blue-collar whites they are on their side when they give off the vibe that they really despise those people for being lazy and stupid? Sometimes liberal politicians even let slip that they really think the blue-collar whites are a bunch of deplorables clinging bitterly to their religion, their guns, and their racism.

Are there any Democrats left like the old Bill Clinton from the 1990s who could give off the vibe that he sincerely felt the pain of blue-collar whites?

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Has Tim Wise been reading my blog?

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February 14, 2017 at 9:21 am

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  1. Or is it just that the white working class is seen as a shrinking demographic, and that to the extent Democrats play identity politics, the growing ethnic minorities are a better long-term bet for securing a liberal society. I doubt they hate this group. It’s a very good question whether the intellectual elite in the Democrats believe in HBD or not. I suspect that many do, but just keep it deeply buried in their psyche because it’s perceived as racist.

    The lioncub

    February 14, 2017 at 9:35 am

    • No, they don’t believe in HBD, you make the mistake of thinking that because it’s so obviously true to you, they also must secretly believe it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 14, 2017 at 9:37 am

      • Of course you may be right. But this group includes geneticists, hard and social scientists, teachers, civil servants working in relevant fields such as justice and urban development, and many other professions where they will be confronted by reality over the course of their careers. And people talk to one another. Also, you must be aware of the book “Hive Mind”, which was perfectly accepted in polite society because it argued that IQ is not necessarily heritable. But there was still a lot in there highlighting racial differences in IQ. At some point, when geneticists discover the precise gene combinations that correlate with IQ, reality will have to be acknowledged.

        The lioncub

        February 14, 2017 at 10:02 am

      • Just as Christians still reject evolution, liberals can reject HBD for a really long time.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 10:48 am

      • Lion is correct (though many Christians believe in evolution — I was taught that evolution is basically fact at my Catholic high school many years ago). But of course, a large majority of Republicans also deny HBD.

        I have a group of friends, all middle to upper-middle class Republican businessmen living in a Republican state, in a county that Trump won by 30+ points. They don’t like to talk much about racial issues, but they seem to all sincerely believe that black failure has to do with some ill-conceived Democratic policy — perhaps welfare, perhaps lack of support for vouchers, or prayer in schools, or some other thing.

        “If our opponents would just get out of the way and let us make this one fix, then blacks would be just like us.” Naturally, this is also the Democrats’ official position.

        I grew up in a Republican household where the “n-word” was standard usage behind closed doors (a minority of Republican households, I suspect, even then), but even my father always thought blacks were on the way to converging towards whites until LBJ’s Great Society destroyed the black family. My mother had no particular opinion on why blacks are the way they are — just that politely creating distance from them is the wise and prudent policy. Both of them would agree that some blacks are perfectly fine and decent and should be treated like anyone else.

        There are far more people who think like my mother than who believe in HBD — they’re not terribly interested in race, they respond to phrases like “Diversity is our strength” with a nodding yawn, rather than enthusiasm or horror, but they recognize viscerally that avoiding large numbers of blacks is a good idea, that places frequented by blacks are “sketchy” and ought to be avoided. Many of these people might vote Democrat, being more focused on some other issue, such as environmentalism.

        The more education/intelligence someone has, the less content they are with this way of thinking, the more they need a “why” for racial differences. This might also be more true of men, independent of education/IQ.

        Wency

        February 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

      • The popularity of HBD over the last couple of years is almost entirely due to feminism. Once men don’t have the tools to fuck women casually, they seek them out. Once men begin to accept that gender isn’t socially constructed, it opens pandoras box. What else was I told was a social construct, that actually isn’t?

        That leads to a sea of hateful words known as HBD.

        Who would have thought the PUA movement would lead to scientific racism.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 14, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      • Our 2 headed one party system are both anti-HBD, with cucks being anti-evolution. America will head into its darker days of devolution — worldly globalists who control our politicos want America’s parochial proletariate/NAMs to drop dead like flies. We’re are in its twilight.

        JS

        February 14, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      • Of course you may be right. But this group includes geneticists, hard and social scientists, teachers, civil servants working in relevant fields such as justice and urban development, and many other professions where they will be confronted by reality over the course of their careers. And people talk to one another.

        Geneticists do know, but they aren’t as sociable as humanities professors who do believe it. They also need to keep quiet about it to protect themselves from the other non-science professors and students. Overwhelmingly civil servants, teachers, and social scientists don’t believe in it and probably aren’t smart enough to understand the arguments of the geneticists.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:49 pm

      • Do Dems hate the white working class too much to win them over?

        If you hate the White working class and support policies that hurt them then you hate the black/latino/American Indian and Asian working class as well.

        Apparently the White working class is more “woke” to that than the others.

        Rifleman

        February 14, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    • Over a certain IQ level most if not all elites have entertained HBD beliefs. Those who spend any amount of time among ghetto blacks quickly do. What they have difficulty with is grasping that anti-HBD is modern folklore and that it has invaded cultural institutions. They are affected by the notion that popularity and institutional approval suggests substance.

      Curle

      February 14, 2017 at 10:06 am

      • High IQ people can always rationalize away their experiences with ghetto blacks by citing lead poisoning, noise pollution, “poverty stress”, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc. And there probably is some degree of truth to a lot of that. My road to HBD actually started from being exposed to well-mannered, educated blacks, who almost universally seem to lack some spark of intelligence and ambition that almost all my Jewish friends and acquaintances have. That, and noticing that every person I know who has been adopted clearly shares the intelligence and personality of their genetic parents, not the people that raised them.

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 14, 2017 at 12:05 pm

      • Peter is right. I come from a comfortable middle class background, but I was a real screwup in my 20s and I wound up in prison for a couple of years in a state where the inmates were something like 80% black and mostly from the ghetto. It’s hard to describe how stupid a lot of these people were, but I never questioned whether the differences between them and the people I grew up with were innate or not. I knew for a fact that evolution stopped at the neck 50,000 years ago (I actually believed this and so do most SJWs that I know today) and that all group differences in intelligence are primarily driven by environment.

        Horace Pinker

        February 14, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      • There are also plenty of dysfunctional whites. And anyone with even a vague understanding of world history knows that different ethnic groups go through a constant fluctuation of their relative levels of power and development.

        I also wouldn’t underestimate the portion of high iq people who really aren’t interested in thinking for themselves about certain things. Is anyone here, for instance, interested in developing their own idiosyncratic and distinct perosnal fashion sense? Or do most people here not want their clothes to stick out in any noticeable way.

        Magnavox

        February 14, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    • @”The lioncub”: Professionals just blame professionals of other fields, the media, society, capitalism, or whatever.

      Most teachers eventually get to realize that they can’t make dumb kids smart. They blame parents. Parents blame teachers. So do social workers.

      Conservatives don’t believe in HBD either.

      Contrarian

      February 14, 2017 at 2:34 pm

  2. “If white person, especially a white male, fail to go to college and “make something of themselves,” it’s because they were too lazy and too stupid (stupid in a moral sense and not an IQ sense) to do the right things, despite their white privilege.”

    I think that’s why the Democrats will fail to get back the white working class. They have nothing but contempt for poor and working class white people, who in spite of hundreds of years of white privilege and white supremacy, still struggle. I recall an interview with Oprah years ago in which she said she just couldn’t understand how a white person couldn’t make it in this country. So that feeling is prevalent not just among upper class liberal whites but minorities as well.

    Mike Street Station

    February 14, 2017 at 10:02 am

    • @Mike,

      All religions have a grain of truth. I actually agree that in the US we have a racial caste system that gives whites as whites an advantage. But real life is so much more complicated than that, esp. in a society like the US which is vast and complex.

      What Tim Wise & his ilk have done is turn a valid concept, white privilege, into a totalizing, totalitarian one, and that is always a bad thing. What I see now is a never-ending spiral of complaints and rage, because once you start out with a totalizing ideology, there is no end to it.

      I’m not saying I agree with Oprah, but if you are an Oprah, you’d think as she does, because she is a hyper intelligent, canny, shrewd, manipulative woman who took the bad hand of being an unpretty, fat black woman, born into no money, and turned it into a winning hand. She honestly thinks with no malice that if she could make it, anyone could.

      Another grain of truth, which JD Vance goes into in his book, Hillbilly Elegy, is that the culture of a lot of working class whites in this country leads to failure, when the props of job and community are taken away. He is open and honest about the massive personality defects in his people: drinking, violence and an utter disregard for education.

      What I am waiting to see is the equivalent among blacks. In that regard we’ve gone backwards. THE book to read when I was a tween was Claude Brown’s Manchild in the Promised Land, which has fallen into complete obscurity. It should be read along with Ta-Nehisi Coates whining piece of garbage. Brown is very honest about the moral decay of the black underclass that he grew up with.

      gothamette

      February 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm

      • JD Vance isn’t wrong. Bad behavior and poor cultural values are not going to help you make it in our society. But that isn’t the totality of the working class: drugged out hillbillies with meth addictions and out of wedlock babies. In fact, I’m ignoring that segment, because they are not going to make it regardless of whatever alleged white privilege they may have. But a working class purposefully targeted to eliminate their jobs, to the benefit of other classes of people, isn’t their fault. That’s a deliberate policy, not bad behavior.

        Mike Street Station

        February 14, 2017 at 3:10 pm

      • I agree with you, Mike. I think that the same may have been true of blacks. No one needed so many poor blacks down south, so they came up north to find work in the factories. Now that’s gone too. Very few of them came north for the welfare.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      • THE book to read when I was a tween was Claude Brown’s Manchild in the Promised Land, which has fallen into complete obscurity.

        I only know of it because Howard Stern mentioned it so much back in the 80s/90s it seemed to be the only book he ever read.

        Rifleman

        February 14, 2017 at 7:40 pm

      • He’s of the generation to have read it. I guess it made an impression on him. It’s actually a pretty good book. It’s been a while, but I don’t remember a trace of whining or self-pity.

        I guess Stern liked it so much because he was jealous of Brown. Brown died in 2002.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      • PS, I forgot liberals and transgenders. All should be purged.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 10:09 pm

      • JD Vance also mentioned something I’d forgotten, how many white factory workers did not want their kids working like they did. Had to do something better! And I recall a lot of kids saying they didn’t want to end up like the old man, “stuck” working in factory and so on. That was the typical 70s mentality. Everyone hated their unions. There was little appreciation for those good jobs when they were around. it was pretty much taken for granted.

        So I think maybe the workforce decline preceded the offshoring.

        Mrs Stitch

        February 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm

      • The following book explains why there is White privilege, Jewish privilege, Northern Asian privilege but no Black privilege:

        Curle

        February 14, 2017 at 11:05 pm

      • Several of the reviewers point out that the author recommends importing huge numbers of low IQ immigrants because the high IQ magic dirt of the US will raise their low IQs.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:23 am

      • “Several of the reviewers point out that the author recommends importing huge numbers of low IQ immigrants because the high IQ magic dirt of the US will raise their low IQs.” The author of the Hive Mind gives good coverage to the 3,000 percent difference in annual income between sub-Sahara Africa and the UK and speaks of differences between ‘nations’ understanding quite well that smart people will fill in the blanks. Like others before him, he knows how to give cover to the big take-away in his book so that certain conclusions are near absolute without being stated forthrightly and making him a target of SJW hate mobs.

        His point is, live among a tribe of smart people and the benefits you enjoy by way of that association are greater than what you could enjoy on your own among a lesser tribe. This is a simple deduction and one that millions of sub-Saharans and Mexicans have been making coming to the US and Europe and hoping to increase their own prosperity, land-speed if you will, by drafting off the ‘faster’ population already occupying those lands. Which is why open borders is a disaster for the more capable tribes of the world. It also explains why it is in the best interest of African Americans to stay in the US and militate for ever larger handouts than it is to move to Africa and enjoy the comparatively modest benefits of not having their comparative group inadequacies shoved in their faces every day. Living here they get the money but they pay a price for it.

        Curle

        February 15, 2017 at 10:23 am

  3. A lot of liberals don’t have to ponder the truth of HBD because they’re still quite insulated from “diversity”. They’re around pretty carefully selected blacks, if any.

    Do we really think that even Obama himself had much experience around rank-and-file blacks? He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii and did his undergrad work in California. I can guarantee that Dylan Roof had a lot more black friends in childhood than Obama ever did.

    Northeastern and New York City schools are as segregated now as they were in the 1950’s:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-school-desegregation_us_56fc7cebe4b0a06d5804bdf0

    Camlost

    February 14, 2017 at 10:24 am

    • Is there any evidence that Obama ever met any African-Americans before he attended college? That is a serious question because he grew up entirely outside the continental US. I have never read his autobiographies, so apols if this point is covered extensively there.

      The Shepherd

      February 14, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      • He surely never dated a black woman before Michelle. I’d bet my life savings on that.

        I guess that a lot of his youthful angst on his own racial identity had a lot to do with the fact that he wasn’t around blacks enough to work out his own niche and comfort level with them. If he’d grown up in suburban Atlanta, for instance, I doubt he would’ve been so self-reflective on that issue.

        Camlost

        February 14, 2017 at 1:02 pm

      • Obama spent his entire pre-college life surrounded by Whites and Hapa-Haoles. There were no other Blacks at Punahou to hang with. Even the Blacks mentioned in his quasi bio were really Asians or invented. That’s why he was so obsessed with discovering his Black roots. That and the fact he believed his African ancestors to be royalty.

        Curle

        February 14, 2017 at 11:13 pm

  4. Oh come on. This is a right wing straw man argument.

    In the 1960s and 70s George Wallace found how to appeal to the while working class post-segregation. Nixon learned from Wallace and the Republican party has used similar appeals ever since.

    One of the big reasons that the white working class is under so much stress is that they have been voting against their own economic interests for more than 50 years. I seriously doubt that Trump is going to help the working class economically. He is almost certainly going to cut taxes on the wealthy and cut government spending that benefits the working class, like Social Security and Medicare to pay for the tax cuts. He is going to continue the 70 year Republican struggle to undo the new deal and obliterate unions, which is what created the prosperous white working class in the first place.

    Mike CA

    February 14, 2017 at 10:26 am

    • “One of the big reasons that the white working class is under so much stress is that they have been voting against their own economic interests for more than 50 years.”

      Nonsense. Until Trump, nobody had their interests in mind. Those that claimed to lied to them. Again and again. I assume you mean they should have voted for Democrats, who have done what for them? Flooded the nation with immigrants? Sold out American industries (as did the Republicans)? Pushed affirmative action so that white kids are displaced in jobs and colleges by less deserving blacks and Hispanics? And now flooding the universities with Asians? Taxed and regulated them to death? Destroyed countless small businesses via burdensome regulations? Privileged “minority” contractors when dispensing government contracts? Flooded the nation with H-1Bs, eliminating entire fields that once were aspirational to the white working class? Gave every cab driver job in America to a foreigner? Yeah, thanks for all the help Democrats!

      peterike

      February 14, 2017 at 11:26 am

      • “Nonsense. Until Trump, nobody had their interests in mind.”

        It remains to be seen if Trump has the economic interests of any working class people in mind. All I hear about is big tax cuts for the wealthy, corporate tax reform, repealing Obamacare, phasing out Medicare and means testing Social Security so it can be converted to a welfare program.

        Trump has talked about renegotiating NAFTA, but never with any specifics of what he wanted changed. At this point renegotiating NAFTA isn’t going to do much for the working class and Trump is a lousy negotiator anyway. Trump always negotiated horrible business deals and then sued everybody afterwards and refused to pay what he had agreed or went bankrupt.

        Trump is a super salesman, but he frequently doesn’t deliver on his promises. What he has been really, really good at is looking out for his own best interests. I don’t expect that to change now.

        mikeca

        February 14, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      • Look at Trump’s cabinet picks. Is there a single pro working class person among them? Maybe Sessions. I hoped and still hope that Trump remakes the republican party into an economically populist one but the cabinet picks were hugely discouraging.

        Magnavox

        February 14, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    • Triggered. Well done Lion.

      Andrew E.

      February 14, 2017 at 11:28 am

    • They both hate the white working class and openly conspire against them, the democrats on social and identitarian grounds and the republicans on economic ones. The social stuff seems to win out, so in that sense the democrats are never going to totally win them over. And the democrats have their own, lesser, problem with corruption so they’re always looking for an excuse to deemphasize economic issues in favor of social ones, which will just alienate the white working class more.

      Magnavox

      February 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      • The white working class voter for the rich white Republican is a bullshit canard anyway. Some WWCs voted for Reagan, but that’s because the office of the Presidency is peculiar – you vote for the man as much as the party – and the times were whack. For the vast majority of the time, the WWC votes its economic interests. Or stays home. Remember Romney?

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    • “One of the big reasons that the white working class is under so much stress is that they have been voting against their own economic interests for more than 50 years.”

      I agree with this but what choice did they really have?

      The other guy was someone who represented the racial interests of blacks, which led to the disasters we have seen with Obama’s school policies. White working class people don’t have the opportunity to send their kids to fancy private schools.

      The non-racial version:

      http://www.startribune.com/silva-to-address-questions-of-teacher-safety-and-union-s-request-for-mediation/361318431/

      The truth:

      https://www.city-journal.org/html/no-thug-left-behind-14951.html

      The WWC is really caught between a rock and hard place. A Romney Republican scumbag who destroys your economic base, or a Democrat monster who destroys your school.

      And mikeca don’t goddamn even try to tell me that blacks aren’t more violent than whites. I went to middle school and high school with blacks and they were for the most part a horror story.

      gothamette

      February 14, 2017 at 1:49 pm

      • PS to above, the only thing that a WWC person could do is run away, but Obama put a stop to that with his housing policies. Destroy destroy destroy was his watchword, with Section 8s and refugees in decent (i.e. white) areas.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 1:50 pm

      • I agree in part but I also don’t think that white working class who voted for republicans (who I believe were a minority among republican voters until 2016) did so with their eyes open. They seemed to buy into the toxic republican pro rich message and think that they themselves were going to end up making it big soon anyway. The Joe the Plumber pheonomenon where the guy without a plumbers license who was concerned about raising the top marginal rate because he was considering starting a very successful plumbing business was really emblematic of a common delusion.

        Magnavox

        February 14, 2017 at 4:07 pm

      • Were there enough Joe the Plumbers to put Romney in the White House? The media made so much of him. He was really not a widespread phenomenon.

        In one of the comments below, reference is made to the white vote not being close to saturation.

        This is true if they get the chance. I see Trump as being destroyed right now, and not by the Deep State.

        Look at Berkeley, the town halls being disrupted, his staff being attacked, and the leaks. OK, the leaking is being done by the Deep State, so I’m told,but I need someone to explain that to me.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 7:43 pm

      • The employees of the government bureacracy, some of the hate Trump and are trying leaking stuff and doing everything they can to make him fail. Treason if you ask me.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 8:52 pm

      • I’ve read it was intelligence services, but I’d like more dirt & specifics.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 10:02 pm

      • I went to high school in the 1960s. Middle school and high school were all white as far as I remember, but we had our share of juvenile delinquents. One of them set fire to the desk and records in the guidance office. After many years of school fire drills, they just went on the PA system to say there was a small fire and told us to get our stuff from our lockers and go home early. My locker was right across from the guidance office and there was smoke pouring out from under the door.

        In high school some delinquent bought a handgun to school to show off. I don’t think it was loaded. I think he was just showing it off. He had probably stolen it from his parents.

        Pocket knives were the more usual weapons the delinquents flashed around. There were fights, but only rarely on school property. As far as I remember no one was ever killed or really seriously injured in one of these fights. One student I knew who had been in several fights was killed in an auto accident. He ran off the road into a ditch. The rumor was he was drag racing and forced off the road, but I was never sure.

        My high school was probably safer than most intercity high schools, but we had our share of juvenile delinquents. At that point in time, the city was a mix of well off middle class and very poor whites. I lived on the edge of one of the poor neighborhoods. Last time I was back there, all the poor neighborhoods were gone, replaced with strip malls and new subdivisions. Where my house had been was a parking lot.

        mikeca

        February 14, 2017 at 5:32 pm

      • What is the point of this memoir, mikeca? I don’t mean to be rude, but I’m curious. Your high school strikes me as being run of the mill. Mine was a racial cauldron. Inner city blacks ruined my education.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      • “The employees of the government bureacracy, some of the hate Trump and are trying leaking stuff and doing everything they can to make him fail. Treason if you ask me.”

        Some may well hate Trump, but the intelligence services went to Trump with the information that Flynn had lied to Trump’s staff and Vice President Mike Pence about his phone call to the Russian ambassador. We don’t know what all was in that phone call, but the intelligence agencies considered Flynn to be compromised. Trump did not do anything about Flynn for 2 weeks, so the Intelligence agencies began leaking to the press, which forced Trump to fire Flynn. The leaks only came after Trump didn’t do anything, which raises even more questions.

        mikeca

        February 14, 2017 at 10:03 pm

      • ” We don’t know what all was in that phone call, but the intelligence agencies considered Flynn to be compromised. Trump did not do anything about Flynn for 2 weeks, so the Intelligence agencies began leaking to the press, which forced Trump to fire Flynn. The leaks only came after Trump didn’t do anything, which raises even more questions.”

        Of all the shit you’ve spewed here, this surely takes the prize. “We don’t know what was in that phone call.” Should have stopped right there, because further speculation is useless.

        Because the president didn’t do what the spy agencies (i.e., “the intelligence community”) wanted, they took matters into their own hands.

        “After Trump didn’t do anything” – because he’s fair and wants to find out all sides of the issue? Because there was nothing in the phone call? Because he was looking into it? Those are my questions.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:21 am

      • “What is the point of this memoir, mikeca? I don’t mean to be rude, but I’m curious. Your high school strikes me as being run of the mill. Mine was a racial cauldron. Inner city blacks ruined my education. ”

        My high school had rotten apples too, but they were all white. Fortunately, there was only a small number of them, because much of the city was middle class with only a few pockets of poor neighborhoods.

        The problem with inner city schools is a much higher percentage of poor people, black, white, brown, red, orange, whatever. The percentage of juvenile delinquents is higher among students from poor families.

        Now I should say that my best neighborhood friend came from a poor family that lived a few houses down the street. He was a great guy and never caused trouble at school. Not all children from poor families are problems, it is just the percentage is higher.

        mikeca

        February 14, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      • These were not rotten apples. This was a rotten class, feared by and catered to by the spineless school administration, because the Board of Ed was run by….spineless Jewish liberals.

        And this, Lion, is something I won’t give in on, because it is true. The education establishment of NYC is no longer Jewish, but once was. And they pioneered the ruinous process of giving into radical black demands.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 1:03 am

      • MikeCA: “I went to high school in the 1960s.”

        Now it all makes sense. You’re stuck in the obsolete pre-LBJ paradigm where Democrats were the party of the working man and Repubes the party of the wealthy. Post-LBJ, Democrats morphed into the party of the lazy man and proponent of single motherhood where Uncle Samantha takes on role of surrogate daddy.

        That you are oblivious to this means I can safely ignore all your comments. Thank you.

        hard9bf

        February 15, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    • ‘One of the big reasons that the white working class is under so much stress is that they have been voting against their own economic interests for more than 50 years….. [Trump] is almost certainly going to cut taxes on the wealthy and cut government spending that benefits the working class, like Social Security and Medicare to pay for the tax cuts.’

      You’re confusing the White working class with the brown working-the-system class. It’s most brown people’s dream to go on welfare from cradle to grave, but most Whites are still ashamed of it, too proud to accept handouts in the long-term. And if Whites stop working, America’s welfare state will crumble fiscally. When Whites vote to cut taxes and reduce welfare benefits, they are voting their interests.

      I have a dream: one day MikeCA will say something intelligent.

      hard9bf

      February 15, 2017 at 5:52 pm

  5. Are there any Democrats left like the old Bill Clinton from the 1990s who could give off the vibe that he sincerely felt the pain of blue-collar whites?

    Biden, maybe.

    snorlaxwp

    February 14, 2017 at 10:36 am

    • You can’t be a Democrat and be in favor of helping blue-collar whites. For Democrats, blue-collar whites are public enemy #1. They’re racist, homophobic and Islamophobic. Many go to Church and many carry guns. They hunt and fish. They drive pickup trucks. They are cops and fireman. They serve in the military. Democrats hate these people.

      Lewis Medlock

      February 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm

      • Yet they were FDR’s core base of support. Blacks voted Republican back then.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      • Hoover won an estimated 2/3rds of the black vote in ’32,[1] but then FDR won 2/3rds of the black vote in ’36,[2] a level maintained until LBJ increased it to 94% in ’64.

        [1] An increase from 60% in ’28; Sailer’s observation that they move in the opposite direction of whites was also true then.
        [2] Due to support for the New Deal. In ’32 FDR had run to Hoover’s right as a then-traditional libertarian-type Democrat.

        snorlaxwp

        February 14, 2017 at 3:24 pm

      • The white working class (as well as other whites) turned on the Democrats beginning in the late 1960s over affirmative action, busing, urban crime, the counterculture, rabid anti-Americanism, etc., that was promoted by the left.

        Lewis Medlock

        February 14, 2017 at 5:05 pm

  6. snorlaxwp

    February 14, 2017 at 10:40 am

    • What a nasty piece of work he is. Anyway, if you are an American, it’s reasonable to have a sense of entitlement that the government will put your economic interests ahead of foreigners, multi-national corporations, etc.

      fortaleza84

      February 14, 2017 at 11:09 am

      • Here’s a Facebook post from Mr. Wise from October 2nd:

        Trump supporters are easily break-down-able into the following categories:

        1. Blatant racists and white nationalists who have overwhelmingly pledged their fealty to him;

        2. Conspiracy minded lunatics who have overdosed on Alex Jones videos and think Infowars is a legit news site rather than a place for mentally imbalanced people to meet;

        3. People who are legitimately hurting and legitimately detest neoliberalism but somehow believe a rich guy is the one who will deliver them from that…mostly because they’re racists and thus never supported Bernie Sanders, who said all the same things about neoliberalism but wasn’t a bigot;

        4. Pathetic Republicans who support the brand more than human decency and will vote for and flak for any Republican, no matter how objectionable, just because of the R next to their name…

        And no matter which of these one falls into…they all deserve to be politically destroyed…immediately and forever….

        I want them all to be miserable on 11/9. I want them to be crying, wailing, utterly prostrate with misery. I want their white supremacist fantasy to die that day and if they aren’t ready for that, too bad, I want it to hurt… I really hope that Trump’s supporters are miserable the day after the election, Sorry, I do…their feelings mean nothing compared to the lives that will be saved by defeating their savior. And if they can’t handle it and decide to declare civil war, I have no problem — and I mean NONE — with making sure they are done as a political force in this country. Interpret that however you wish.

        Multiracial democracy is a more important goal than your white nationalist fever dream, We will win. You will lose…hopefully, very painfully

        Horace Pinker

        February 14, 2017 at 1:30 pm

      • Minus the sarcasm and the hatred for the people in the categories, he correctly identified some categories of Trump supporter.

        I wonder how much cognitive dissonance he had on Wednesday morning?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      • “I wonder how much cognitive dissonance he had on Wednesday morning?”

        Wise is definitely a conman and I wonder if he’s a sociopath. It’s hard to imagine what his genuine feelings must have been after Trump’s glorious victory. Was he overcome with rage or did he think Trump’s win was good for business, or was it some combination of the two? I actually doubt that he had cognitive dissonance.

        He tends to see most things pretty clearly and since we’re speaking about HBD-aware liberals in this thread, Wise probably is one. I haven’t listened to the debate that he had with Jared Taylor on “The Infidel Guy” in 5 or 6 years so I’m not sure what part it’s in, but at one point he basically acknowledges that Taylor’s worldview would hold a lot more weight than it does if the races actually differed innately in meaningful ways. Wise is highly intelligent and he stays on top of what his opposition thinks and believes. There’s no way that his blank slatist worldview hasn’t been crushed since that debate, or at least I think it’s been crushed, and that he’s adjusted accordingly. Most anyone who takes him seriously *knows* for a fact that there is no such thing as a fact.

        Horace Pinker

        February 14, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      • Minus the sarcasm and the hatred for the people in the categories, he correctly identified some categories of Trump supporter.

        LOL. OK let’s review….

        1. Blatant racists

        2. Conspiracy minded lunatics ….mentally imbalanced people ….

        3. People who are ….. racists and thus never supported Bernie Sanders, who said all the same things about neoliberalism but wasn’t a bigot;

        4. Pathetic Republicans who support the brand more than human decency

        Well there you go. A nice rational, well balanced review of those Evil White Americans who voted for Hitler 2.0.

        Rifleman

        February 14, 2017 at 8:08 pm

  7. A lot of Republican elites don’t like the white working class much either. That is why Trump made huge gains where Romney flailed. Most upper class Republicans also believe that poor white people are lazy and are poor due to their own lack of effort and lack of impulse control. The difference being for the most part we don’t consider those people “deplorable”, just kind of pathetic, the way you feel about a younger brother who can’t get his life straightened out.

    That said, I don’t think the Dems can win those people back unless the GOP really screws up. Rural and working class whites prefer Republican condescension to Democratic sneering, just as blacks will always prefer Democratic elite condescension and patronizing to Republican disgust.

    Ironically, a black male candidate (a real American black, like Jesse Jackson, not an oreo like Obama) would probably be better equipped to understand working class whites than any white Democratic candidate. But would the Democratic elite actually vote for a real black candidate? I think Democratic elites are made nervous by a candidate who is “too masculine”. And most high IQ black politicians seem to drift over to the GOP anyway. Are there any strong intelligent blacks with working class roots who are Democrats?

    Peter Akuleyev

    February 14, 2017 at 10:43 am

    • “A lot of Republican elites don’t like the white working class much either.” See many recent tweets to this effect by loathsome reptile Bill Kristol.

      Tarl

      February 14, 2017 at 4:15 pm

  8. This same question was put forward in the comment section of The Guardian after the White working class largely abandoned Labor for UKIP. It became clear from the comments that the answer is “yes”. The hate is deep and visceral.

    I believe some on the Left do believe in HBD but it doesn’t matter to them because they have the Communist belief in equal outcomes regardless of ability.

    CamelCaseRob

    February 14, 2017 at 10:45 am

    • There is no Communist belief in equal outcomes regardless of ability.

      For instance the USSR rigourously selected those considered to have intellectual aptitude for special accelerated schools.

      Socialism believes in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome – although this is often disingenously claimed by its detractors.

      Xanadan

      February 14, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      • Communism believes people contribute to their ability and receive according to their needs. This is an acknowledgement that people have different abilities.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 14, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      • Communism believes people contribute to their ability and receive according to their needs. This is an acknowledgement that people have different abilities.

        Communism was prole Leftism, hence they didn’t try to obliterate their proles which is what our ‘Prig’ “Communists” want.

        https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/how-comte-overthrew-marx-part-ii/

        Indeed, eight decades since Orwell wrote about ‘prig’ Socialism it has now become obvious what was not obvious in Orwell’s time: The prigs wish to abolish the proletariat. Among the means to accomplish their abolition are the major prig initiatives of Third World immigration and trade.

        While Marx did hope the Capitalist powers would adopt free trade he did so only because he wanted those powers to discredit themselves further in the eyes of the workers when free trade failed.

        For Liberal Progressives, who position themselves as the champions of the working class, to adopt free trade would be an entirely different matter to Marx. Because of their affection for Communism, as well as frequent use of working class rhetoric and Communist symbols, Marx would fear that the proles would instead become disillusioned with real Communist revolution thanks to the free trade deals of this imposter “Communism” calling itself Progressive. Instead of embracing worker revolution against Capitalism the workers would join forces with the bourgeois.

        Certainly, when Communism once controlled a number of nation states industry was not allowed to be hollowed out by trade deals no matter how inefficient those industries were. Following Stalin’s example of industrial Autarky they strove to become self-sufficient and economically independent of Capitalist powers. The Communist view of trade is quite opposed to the view of Progressives, and Marx would be the first person to point this out.

        This goal now made clear by the passage of time, Dictatorial Bureaucracy could well be defined as “Communism” for “Communists” who want to destroy the proletariat and govern a highly class stratified society led by high-priest sociologists.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 14, 2017 at 6:54 pm

  9. I do think that a fair amount of Dems believe in HBD.

    Ras has Trump at 52 today. Down 1 from last week. SurveyMonkey has Trump at 46, same as last week.

    Trump’s decline in Gallup by 3 points over the past week remains an outlier. If other polls do not corroborate the drop in Trump’s approval by the end of the week, or if Gallup does not show Trump’s approval back up to 42 to 43, I will be ready to officially pronounce Gallup to be rigged.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 14, 2017 at 10:53 am

    • They really don’t. If they did they wouldn’t be Dems. You’ve got Andrew Sullivan and that’s it. To be a [modern-day] liberal who believes in HBD is like a modern-day Christian who sacrifices babies to Satan; it’s a 180-degree contradiction in terms.

      snorlaxwp

      February 14, 2017 at 11:59 am

      • There are some liberals who feel cognitive dissonance about these things, but that’s not the same as not believing. Note how the SJWs have lately been policing expressions of cognitive dissonance (such as code phrases like “sketchy neighborhood”).

        snorlaxwp

        February 14, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      • I starting understanding HBD back in about 2007, still voted for Obama twice though. Back then I believed that some of the black / white IQ difference was genetic, and by extension to that I could entertain the idea that a few of the points in mean scores between Europeans and other groups (Latinos, Middle Eastern, etc.) could also be partly explained by genetics, but I still believed and hoped that the differences were trivial enough and that culture explained most of the differences. It was only in 2015 that I became Right Wing. The “White Privilege” narrative that gained a lot of momentum that year forced me to look more deeply into it because they kept highlighting how big the achievement gaps are and kept blaming Western society, so I began to realize that things cannot continue going the way they were going. That led me to read Richard Lyn’s book “Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations” which was a real eye opener. That single book made me view human civilization through an entirely new lens. Welfare policies and immigration were destroying human intelligence. The very next day after reading that book I remember going online and researching which Republican candidate would I believed would be the best at combating dysgenics, at first I believed it would be Jeb Bush. Then Trump won me over in one of his rallies when he said “people will say that’s not politically correct, but you know what? I DON’T CARE!”

        DataExplorer

        February 14, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • “You’ve got Andrew Sullivan and that’s it.”

        And Mickey Kaus and me and millions and millions of others. Republicans are the party of destroying working families for the plutocrats. Just look at Congress working hard to take health care and Social Security away from the American people so they can cut taxes on millionaires.

        Until Mitt Romney, every Republican candidate for fifty years was in favor of more immigration and more unskilled immigration and even more low skilled illegal immigration than the Democrat.

        Republicans want to destroy our natural heritage for short term profit and pollute the air and water our children breathe and drink. They expect to buy their way out of the pollution in private enclaves, but most of us will never be able to do that.

        Rational patriotic Americans, HBD or not, are Democrats.

        owentt

        February 14, 2017 at 8:56 pm

      • Owentt, FDR and the 1930’s were 70 years ago. Try and catch up with history. Democrats have been anti-white for 50 years.

        Andrew E.

        February 14, 2017 at 9:44 pm

      • You can believe in HBD, be a liberal, and vote Democrat. I did for a while.

        It’s easy. All you have to do is believe the parasitism of the rich outweights NAM parasitism. Once they went overboard with the identity politics, I bailed. Sorry, but I’m not going to feel guilty for being a white male.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 10:28 pm

      • ” The very next day after reading that book I remember going online and researching which Republican candidate would I believed would be the best at combating dysgenics, at first I believed it would be Jeb Bush.”

        What? Jeb Bush was the worst of the Republicans in that regard. How did you come to the conclusion that Jeb! would be in any way useful? His family tree is a history of dysgenics.

        Mike Street Station

        February 15, 2017 at 8:04 am

      • “How did you come to the conclusion that Jeb! would be in any way useful?”

        I just thought he was a relatively moderate candidate that would put some limits on immigration and roll back some of the welfare state without being too much of an anti-abortion religious nut or a hawkish neocon like Marco Rubio, this was after Trump had announced his candidacy but before he had made much of a splash. Jeb happened to get the best score for me on “ISideWith.com”. But once Trump started all his politically incorrect rants, his score on ISideWith.com went through the roof for me. But I still to this day think that some of his crass statements are not helpful, though I do support him 100%.

        DataExplorer

        February 16, 2017 at 9:50 am

  10. Wall Street Journal sez in unsigned editorial that Trump should give Priebus more authority, attacks Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kellyanne Conway and Gary Cohn. Confirms my belief that Priebus is extremely bad news. #FirePriebus

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-disruption-1487031837

    snorlaxwp

    February 14, 2017 at 10:55 am

    • Here is Breibart news blaming Priebus for everything that has gone wrong.

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/flynn-resigns-priebus-future-doubt-trump-allies-circulate-list-alternate-chief-staff-candidates/

      Democrats held up Sessions in committee because he is a controversial figure. He had been rejected by the Senate before for a federal judgeship. Democrats had to delay him as long as possible.

      This Breibart article blames Priebus for it taking 7 days between the committee approval and the floor vote to approve Sessions, but the real reason is Betsy DeVos. Mitch McConnell is good at counting votes and realized that he needed Sessions as a Senator to get to a 50-50 vote on DeVos that would allow Mike Pence to break the tie to get DeVos approved. Without Sessions still in the Senate, DeVos would have gone down 49-50.

      It certainly looks like the knives are out for Priebus.

      mikeca

      February 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    • The WSJ is trying to stoke distrust within the Trump White House. It’s a classic “Let’s you and him fight” gambit.

      Richard

      February 14, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    • I’m comfortable with Trump sacking Priebus. For a White House liaison to the Congress he doesn’t seem to be making headway on legislation.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 14, 2017 at 6:57 pm

  11. People generally attribute their own success to internal factors, but when someone experiences misfortune it’s their own fault — unless they are affiliated with a recognized victim group or social cause.

    And if you actually try to think about such things logically and don’t just follow the common cognitive biases, you’re “autistic.”

    Fact Checker

    February 14, 2017 at 11:06 am

  12. Actually the election provided evidence in that the Democrats can win without the white working class. I have to admit this and hope I am not just concern polling.

    With Hillary Clinton of all people as their standard bearer, and the white working class now bloc voting Republican, the Donks still got 48% of the vote for both the executive and legislative branches. They could get to over 50% with just what they have and two thirds of the Gary Johnson voters, who are not exactly white working class voters.

    The Donks have a problem in that the federal system and gerrymandering means that they can’t win federal elections with just 50% + of the national vote, they need something like 53% to 54%. But a GoP that controls the federal government due to lots of victories with just 46% to 47% of the vote will rapidly lose legitimacy. Just one screw up and gerrymandering won’t be able to save their House majority.

    The real long term problem for the Donks is that a wing of the party, the Sanders or progressive wing, really does want to address working class (yes including Whites) concerns and could jump ship to a Trump led GOP that addresses their concerns. But they won’t abandon the Donks for GOP-e. Right now that Trump administration is looking alot like its turning into a rerun of the Dubya administration.

    Ed

    February 14, 2017 at 11:20 am

    • Oh yeah. Religion of Peace. family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande. Trump is JUST like Dubya.

      Andrew E.

      February 14, 2017 at 1:53 pm

      • So far that and trade are the two big differences but I can’t shake the feeling that both those issues are going to end up as huge disappointments.

        Magnavox

        February 14, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    • Hillary still won about 30% of the WWC. Down the road I expect that number to be closer to 15%.

      And Hillary only won the popular vote because she (probably) won college educated whites. Had she lost them by the margin that Obama lost them to Romney, she would have lost the popular vote by 2 points.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 14, 2017 at 2:01 pm

      • On a different note, Trump’s policies on immigration and trade are way more popular than he is. For example, if Trump’s popularity took a hit because he instituted the travel ban (on seven Muslim countries) in a haphazard way, the support for a policy in the abstract is around 55% to 38% opposed.

        Heck, I’m that way myself. I dislike Trump personally, think the way he’s governed so far has been amateurish, and don’t publicly proclaim that I voted for him. But voted for him I did, and there’s no way I’d ever want the current left, with its support for political violence and insane immigration policies to have power again.

        Again, Trump himself is a drag on his policies. If a two term, charismatic Republican governor were to take up Trump’s platform without the personal sleaziness and arrogance of Trump, he’d go real far real fast.

        Sid

        February 14, 2017 at 7:35 pm

      • I think people who like Trump’s policies more than Trump are kind of hard pressed–populist-leaning intellectuals are hard to find (for obvious reasons), and the guy does have an awful lot of charisma.

        SFG

        February 14, 2017 at 10:31 pm

      • That governor would never win. Your Trucon unicorn doesn’t exist because he’d commit suicide 3 days into the campaign. Only a strongman like Trump can take the never ending barage of insults and threats against his life and his family.

        It takes a lion to take on an elephant gun.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 15, 2017 at 12:33 am

      • It’s true that only somebody with Trump’s personality could A) weather the constant media barrage and resistance from the GOPe and B) win over the WWC is such numbers. That said, it is going to be necessary to win back the college educated whites who voted for Romney but didn’t vote for Trump.

        And Trump has been nothing like Dubya. I don’t understand the comparison at all.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 15, 2017 at 2:04 am

      • ” Trump himself is a drag on his policies. If a two term, charismatic Republican governor were to take up Trump’s platform without the personal sleaziness and arrogance of Trump, he’d go real far real fast.”

        Maybe… but there is no such Republican governor, or any Republican of any standing who is of Trump’s populist-nationalist brand. There is Trump, Sessions, and after that a whole lot of enemies and frenemies. It may take years to grow that type of Republican. In the meantime, Trump is all there is.

        Mike Street Station

        February 15, 2017 at 8:10 am

      • “I think people who like Trump’s policies more than Trump are kind of hard pressed–populist-leaning intellectuals are hard to find (for obvious reasons),”

        The poll numbers in support of, say, ending illegal immigration and limiting the amount of Muslims moving to the country, are notably higher than Trump himself.

        “…and the guy does have an awful lot of charisma.”

        He is charismatic, but he tends to provoke strong, divisive reactions. You can’t be charismatic and fill up the sports stadiums he can at his rallies, but he has turned way more people off than other charismatic presidents have.

        “That governor would never win. Your Trucon unicorn doesn’t exist because he’d commit suicide 3 days into the campaign. Only a strongman like Trump can take the never ending barage of insults and threats against his life and his family.”

        It was necessary to get someone like Trump to push through the constant media barrage against a populist-nationalist. That said, if Trump leaves office in 2025 and it’s just as hard to run on his platform as it was when he started running in 2015, then Trump’s presidency will have been a failure. It’s not enough to win one time with one guy: we need to pave the way for other people with his platform to be viable, competitive candidates.

        “It’s true that only somebody with Trump’s personality could A) weather the constant media barrage and resistance from the GOPe and B) win over the WWC is such numbers. That said, it is going to be necessary to win back the college educated whites who voted for Romney but didn’t vote for Trump.”

        Agreed.

        Sid

        February 15, 2017 at 9:25 am

      • “Maybe… but there is no such Republican governor, or any Republican of any standing who is of Trump’s populist-nationalist brand. There is Trump, Sessions, and after that a whole lot of enemies and frenemies.”

        True. I supported Trump from the moment he gave his first campaign speech on immigration, but for a while I didn’t think I’d actually be voting for him. I assumed that once the other guys saw how strong the support for immigration and trade controls were, the “serious” candidates would begin adopting his positions to neutralize him. Politics 101. To my surprise, that never happened. The closest it got was Scott Walker briefly making some noise about restricting birthright citizenship, but he had to recant when one of his major donors publicly objected. That about tells you everything.

        Richard

        February 15, 2017 at 10:33 am

    • I think the Trump Administration would’ve been much more centrists had the Dems won the Senate. As it stands, Trump has to answer to GOPe concerns while pushing his anti-immigration agenda. He won’t have to address the DNP for awhile.

      Sid

      February 14, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    • You’re right to keep in mind that the democrats BARELY lost. I think they may end up screwing themselves over by substantially changing their strategy (by for instance going all in on issues like Black Lives Matter) in response to a really unrepresentative election.

      Magnavox

      February 14, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    • Bernie Sanders’ only interest is in increasing the power of government bureaucracies, which is in the business of managing crises that they create. For example, Bernie would do nothing about immigration, of which any policy you create fails.

      White voting rates are not at saturation. Millions of whites did not vote in the last election. Millions of more whites will have ample reason to switch republican when they finally realize that the Democrat Multicultural revolution applies to them.

      There is nowhere to go but up.

      The D’s know that without mass immigration their brand is toast for the next 10-15 years at least, and maybe permanently. You can’t have national party based on hating whitey if the coalition of hate-whitey doesn’t overwhelm whitey’s influence. The D’s have long been betting on ethnically cleansing whites through open borders. Now that’s going up in smoke. Hence why they are funding these protests and hanging on every supposed setback of the Trump administration.

      Second, D’s (and Neocons) are in the pocket of Big corporations, who love open borders because they get cheap labor from it. This is why Facebook, Google, et al. were part of that CA lawsuit that has (for now) stopped Trump’s immigration plan. It’s also why the Corporate media—who also benefit from cheap labor and the ads/ownership by other big corporations—are pushing it.

      Third, the Saudis and Mexicans want to offload a lot of their troublesome dudes onto the West. If The U.S. Stops it, Mexico will face a crisis, and the if Europe follows suit, the Saudis will be facing a lot of guys who might upset their power. So they are for it.

      Fourth, Soros hates the West and wants it to burn. This is a way to do it.

      This is a desperate conspiracy, not mania. And Time Wise can go eat shit and die.

      map

      February 14, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      • Yeah, twice within a period of about a week Bernie’s black female campaign manager chortled over whites being beaten because of their race. Bernie’s a white-hating racist like every leftist. White-hating racism defines the modern left.

        jb

        February 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm

  13. The Working Class in general and the White working class in particular did well starting in the 30’s for two reasons. FDR saw Labor as a power source he could use against the old guard of the Democratic party of the 1930’s. At the same time strengthening Labor through unions was seen as a way to end the regular unrest the working class was engaged in.

    Essentially the elite decided it made sense to give a few scraps to the masses in exchange for an acceptance of their rule. The problem is the elite began chipping away at this bargain almost immediately. At the end of the day the leadership of both political parties never much liked the unions which were uppity and always making demands. So they were happy to cut and cut away at the bargain until we come to today where almost none of FDR’s concessions to the working class are left.

    Those in the working class, particularly the white working class, have few options. Both parties want to flood the USA with immigrants who undercut their work. The Republicans want cheap workers who do what their told. The Democrats want votes. Sure Trump may not love unions but if immigration is halted at least their is a shot of restoring some power to the workers.

    jew613

    February 14, 2017 at 11:40 am

  14. Let’s say that Democrat distaste for blue collar whites becomes a permanent feature of their party. That means their coalition will consist of:

    – Blacks
    – Hispanics
    – Asians
    – LGBTQ
    – Militant feminists
    – Environmentalists
    – Government workers
    – Most of the 1%

    Now, there is obviously some overlap between the groups, but I have a tough time seeing what common interest unites these various factions. Blacks don’t like Hispanics much, and vice versa, both really aren’t keen on the gay agenda, etc. etc. I see a lot of infighting as the various factions all jockey for position. IOW, herding cats,

    This should in theory help the GOP. But being the stupid party, I’m sure they’ll find a way to squander the opportunity.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    February 14, 2017 at 11:46 am

    • “Blacks don’t like Hispanics much, and vice versa, both really aren’t keen on the gay agenda”

      Not the run of the mill street blacks and Hispanics. But the Hispanic leadership tends to be highly SJW and pozzed up the cucaracha, and a lot of the black leadership as well. Look at Black Lives Matter, which is basically a way for fat black Lesbians to get on stage and yell at white people.

      And the coalition is “united” by the same thing: hate hate hate for whitey.

      peterike

      February 14, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    • Agreed with one caveat being that our side needs to find a way to exploit the lack of a common interest in a way that’s easy to absorb for low information people (moderate suburban white soccer moms and dads who mostly watch CNN). The main rub with the left holding the microphone is that it’s incredibly difficult for our side to get our message out to a mass audience outside of the echo chamber without being put through a filter of media bias.
      One other point…Government workers are not a monolith. Police and Fire vote very differently than teachers for instance.,

      roxborough's son

      February 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    • >>….but I have a tough time seeing what common interest unites these various factions.

      For many, maybe most, hatred of whites, particularly white men.

      Daniel

      February 14, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    • “…but I have a tough time seeing what common interest unites these various factions.”

      The Democratic Party has for generations excelled at united otherwise polarized groups into an effective voting coalition. Remember, this is the party that kept segregationists and civil rights activists in the same party for decades. The Democrats have an everybody-gets-a-cut mentality. If they had an unofficial motto, it would be “More.” More of whatever each group wants. That’s how gays and trans activists and fundamentalist Muslims can belong to the same party. There is nothing like that on the right.

      Mike Street Station

      February 15, 2017 at 8:31 am

    • All of those interest groups have one and two things in common:

      They are minorities and they want to get even. They’ve been told they’re victims and they deserve revenge. None of those groups are ashamed of that. Also, a component of that mentality is entitlement. They deserve more because they are victims. More is never enough.

      That’s how the Dems hold their coalition together.

      it's getting ugly

      February 15, 2017 at 12:52 pm

      • One minor correction, no pun intended: Even after they’re no longer minorities, as in Mexifornia, they still want to get even and harbor an overweening sense of entitlement. Unless by ‘minorities’ you meant they have brown skin.

        hard9bf

        February 15, 2017 at 6:12 pm

  15. Priebus was so loyal to Trump during the election, but he has not done has job as Chief of Staff. Leaks are going on all over the place.

    It sounds like Trump has had it with Priebus and Spicer. They both have been extremely loyal and it isn’t good to throw loyal soldiers under the bus, but if they are responsible for the leaks, they need to go.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 14, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    • Most of the leaks are coming from Deep State bureaucrats trying to throw tacks in Trump’s way.

      Richard

      February 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      • In plain English, what does this mean?

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 7:38 pm

      • It already is in plain English.

        Richard

        February 14, 2017 at 11:30 pm

      • Since President Trump knows that it’s the legacy government undermining him, he should just say so in public at a press conference: Announce that leaks, hearsay, and unverified accusations generated by Obama’s legacy government will be ignored and in no way influence Trump administration staffing or policy. Just put it out in the open, the same way he called out CNN and others for publishing fake news. I see no downside to this: Obama’s legacy government will hate Trump no matter what, so he has nothing to lose.

        hard9bf

        February 15, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    • So loyal? Priebus tried to deep-six Trump in favor of Jeb! for months.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      February 15, 2017 at 12:36 am

      • Yeah but Priebus rolled over and offered his throat to Trump when it became clear that Trump was going to win the nomination, and has been a pretty effective ally ever since. I don’t think he’s the source of the leaks, although he MAY just be a crappy chief of staff.

        Mike Street Station

        February 15, 2017 at 8:33 am

      • I agree, Priebus is loyal to Trump.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 9:31 am

  16. This reveals one of the serious flaws with the cult of the victim. If women, NAMS, Asians, LGBTQ, etc, are victims, then someone has to be priveleged. And this honor goes to the white male. And while it is certainly true that many white males are priveleged, many others are not. In general both priveleged and “ordinary” white males would have little motivation to vote for a diversity candidate like Hillary or Obama.

    The Shepherd

    February 14, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    • Variance explains all. Yes, males dominate society, but males are over-represented at the extremes. Men are twice as likely to be homeless, far more likely to be incarcerated and suffer debilitating mental health. It’s easy to see white males running everything and then conclude ALL white men are part of some club. As Bill Burr used to say, “being a white man is great. I wake up, shuffle over to the doorstep and pick up my complimentary copy of USA TODAY and my free bag of money.”

      Vince

      February 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm

  17. Lion, I think your post is 99% accurate and you hit a bull’s-eye in getting to the truth in the matter, but I only have a minor quibble,

    “it’s because they were too lazy and too stupid (stupid in a moral sense and not an IQ sense)”

    I would say there is an element of Orwellian doublethink here. Elite liberals don’t believe in HBD, IQ, etc., but in their personal lives they still believe intelligence is an innate ability. In their personal lives, they will make fun of working class whites for being stupid, but will still intellectually espouse the view that everyone is intellectually equal.

    There are also elite liberals and conservatives who are somewhat more aware of human genetics than the others. They believe that genes affect IQ and IQ is a valid measure of human intelligence. They think that intelligence is evenly distributed among all human populations, but East Asians score somewhat higher on IQ tests because they study harder, and they believe NAMs score lower because of racism, dysfunctional cultures which don’t encourage education, and biological damages brought about by environmental factors, such as iodine deficiency and parasites. (I subscribed to this view until roughly ten years ago or so.) As such, they would say that NAMs can be brought to the white mean, but working class whites are utterly hopeless and are deadweight for the country.

    Sid

    February 14, 2017 at 1:28 pm

  18. The liberal strategy was to maintain a slight lead in the white working class vote while humoring them on with some values talk. Eventually with demographic change the Black and Latino voters will overwhelm the White working class voters and then the liberals could chuck them out.

    Then with only Black and Latino support liberals can go the whole hog: social liberalism, open borders, and welfare state to keep the proles satiated.

    Fortunately a lot of liberals were stupid enough to go on TV or get recorded saying this is their strategy and White working class people heard. They turned against the Democrats before the demographic changes swept the electorate.

    Jimi

    February 14, 2017 at 1:30 pm

  19. Just because wealthy whites (and Jews) control the Democratic Party does not mean they make it up. Poor, working class whites are generally more likely to vote for Democrats than rich whites.

    Vince

    February 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    • Poor, working class whites are generally more likely to vote for Democrats than rich whites.

      I don’t think this is true anymore.

      ScarletNumber

      February 15, 2017 at 8:03 am

  20. Wow, Tim Wise is a cold, dirtbag neoliberal.

    Dain

    February 14, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    • Tim Wise was created in a lab by David Duke and Andrew Anglin to give white nationalists a reason to hate Jews.

      What, you don’t like my conspiracy theory?

      Seriously, the guy seems to be the left-wing equivalent of an alt-right troll, bragging about how white men are going to be exterminated.

      SFG

      February 14, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      • Tim Wise is a gentile. He had a grandfather who was Jewish, but Judaism is matrilineal, so with two gentile grandmothers and one gentile grandfather, he’s gentile.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 12:36 am

      • Actually, I knew that. It’s funny how he keeps trying to make himself sound as Jewish as possible though. Probably wants to think he’s oppressed.

        SFG

        February 15, 2017 at 6:51 am

      • I realize his own opinions don’t change the rules of Judaism, but apparently, according to the Wikipedia article on him which cites sources, he considers himself Jewish.

        Hermes

        February 15, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      • I don’t feel like watching a 50 minute video to see what he said. I suspect that Tim Wise sees being 1/4 Jewish as a type of white privilege for which he should feel guilty.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      • And I’m sure it makes him feel better to identify with a minority to assuage his white guilt.

        Hermes

        February 15, 2017 at 11:17 pm

  21. The flip side is that if you did the right thing and went to college but still can’t find a job that will provide you with an upper middle class living, than there is something wrong with the system (and not that you picked the wrong major)

    amir

    February 14, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    • Unfortunately that is the lie kids were told. Get a degree an you’ll get a middle class job. Wrong! You need to pick up skills skills that will make you employable whether you’re in college or not.

      This obviously does not apply at the top where you can major in gender studies and then go into ibanking.

      Jimi

      February 14, 2017 at 8:54 pm

      • No you can’t.

        snorlaxwp

        February 15, 2017 at 12:01 am

      • You can…if you are a woman.

        map

        February 15, 2017 at 6:20 am

      • You can maybe go into the HR department at an investment bank (although I think they try to minimize the numbers of rabid SJWs), but you cannot become an investment banker.

        snorlaxwp

        February 15, 2017 at 11:35 am

      • This. It’s the skills that matter. College is only icing on top of the cake. Most of what liberal education stands for is BS and useless, but it’s necessary to get into the correct social circles. Sad but true.

        it's getting ugly

        February 15, 2017 at 1:02 pm

      • Actually, skills don’t matter for getting into a career track, just credentials.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • This is actually real, among people that I know.

        Two people graduate from a top 10 university. Same school.

        Girl: Communications major. Lands job as a financial analyst at Deutsch Bank. Lands another job as financial analyst. Attends Columbia Business School.

        Boy: Double major in math and economics. Best company? Groupon. Currently working at a boutique big data firm.

        Which do you think has a better career path?

        map

        February 15, 2017 at 5:01 pm

      • You are sadly mistaken if you thinks skills matter.

        map

        February 15, 2017 at 5:03 pm

  22. Traitor Mitch McConnell says he’ll create a witch-hunt committee to investigate Flynn + “links” to Trump. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Ken Starr, Benghazi all happened while Congress was controlled by the opposition party. This is a truly outrageous act of treachery.

    It’s clear that there’s a soft coup in motion to impeach Trump and install Pence. Should not have given them the opening they needed. Like I said it was a huge mistake to allow a nothing controversy to be elevated like this.

    snorlaxwp

    February 14, 2017 at 3:33 pm

  23. “Do Dems hate the white working class too much to win them over?”

    The Tim Wise faction does. It’s weird because he hates them for their perceived virtues, which are mostly illusory.

    The David Axelrod Dems don’t, and it’s interesting to watch their agony.

    Anyway things are going well, with Berkeley, and town halls being disrupted by leftist thugs.

    gothamette

    February 14, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    • The David Axelrod Dems don’t, and it’s interesting to watch their agony.

      I noticed that. Neither do the Ed Rendell Democrats.

      Imagine a loser like Hillary picking Ed Rendell as her campaign leader and basing operations in Pittsburgh instead of Brooklyn and telling her team to get that old Democrat blue collar, working class, church attending, wave the flag voters!!

      Instead she went all gay, hipster, Brooklyn coffee douche, black lives matter, White original sin of America, open borders, Wall Street yeepee!!!

      But good for us. Still waiting to see if Trump is going to actually follow through on things. I’m not so sure. It looks like he’s all big business, Wall street, cut taxes on the rich, build the wall for contractors but put a giant door in it.

      We’ll see.

      Rifleman

      February 14, 2017 at 7:56 pm

      • The proles who voted for Trump will once again get their buttocks handed to them. It’s that simple!

        JS

        February 14, 2017 at 10:07 pm

      • The effort to sign up every white voter must start NOW. There are 47 million unregistered white voters.

        But the Trump Admin is in a fight for its life, already. Flynn sucked but the method of getting rid of him sucked more.

        Now they are going after Kellyanne. Trump has to start asserting himself, scaring people.

        There is a great book called “Release Your Inner Roman,” by a British classics scholar, Jerry Toner. Here’s a choice quote:

        “All great men need to take tough decisions. An Emperor needs to be able to chop off heads as easily as a dog sits down. He must be alert to plots even within his family and be prepared to execute those closest to him.”

        OK, this isn’t Rome so we don’t execute family members. But Trump should do a housecleaning of the various national security agencies. They are full of traitors and dead wood.

        gothamette

        February 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

      • Didn’t vote 4 trump but I like all of his cabinet picks.

        Wt

        February 15, 2017 at 2:11 am

      • As a lifelong Brooklynite it still surprises me when I hear “Brooklyn” in the same line with “Gay” and “hipster.” For as long as I can remember, Brooklyn was laughed at as a low-budget place with ordinary working stiffs (a la Ralph Kramden.) But old images die hard. This transformation has been going on for years now. I remember some time in the 1980s or 1990’s when my Mom had a friend in Bensonhurst who was thinking of selling her house. The woman was talking about how certain houses there were selling for a million dollars. My mother later on scoffed at this claim saying “no one who could afford to pay a million dollars for a house would choose to live in Bensonhurst.” For some reason she seemed to think that Bensonhurst’s white Italian-American blue collar image was something etched in stone.

        Maryk

        February 16, 2017 at 9:06 pm

  24. Honestly, white working class people need to move. That’s the #1 issue with life’s losers, they’re unwilling to fucking move for better opportunities. No one is going to just give it to them.

    Kaz

    February 14, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    • America is dead weight now. After years of propaganda from the degenerate left — and the lack of evolution coming from the conservative right — you expect a nation like America to recover from all of this where it joins the rest of the free world.

      Americans are now sub-humans. They have been brow beaten in the likes of Yakov that American capitalism is a good thing. American style capitalism is no different from Soviet Communism — it ultimately turns society into a dustbin of dependent slaves. Just go tell other Westerners that you pay thousands in rent in America, so you can avoid NAMs and other undesirables, where this becomes both a laughing stock and shock of disbelief.

      JS

      February 14, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      • It’s not that communism is not any different from capitalism. It’s that their primary policy concentrations are focused on different arenas, rather than being opposite in nature as most people assume.

        Communism, as opposed to socialism and capitalism, is primarily a collection of social policies. Socialism and capitalism are groups of economic policies and philosophies.

        One can have communism in a capitalist nation, just as one can have fascism in a socialist nation. Why it is that you perceive that communism and capitalism are interchangeable is not because they are the same, but because we have communism in a capitalist nation. You are merely comparing the results of communism in two different societies, the USSR and the USA. It follows that the results will look roughly the same.

        Marc

        February 15, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      • American capitalism is regressive, not progressive. It’s nature is that of communism. What an irony!

        JS

        February 16, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    • There is some truth to that, and the flipside of the South’s vaunted ‘sense of place’ is they get stuck in dying towns.

      But the honest truth is there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs, and we have to start looking at what we’re going to do about that. The white working class is just the first to get the boot end of this.

      SFG

      February 14, 2017 at 10:37 pm

      • I agree that its financially suicidal to relegate your families existence to outside of the commuting distance of a major metro.

        If you manage to nail down a good living, its unlikely that your kids will continue to. Beyond that, it stunts ones ability to gain the skill to socially navigate in somewhat higher class spheres; which is an unnecessary class restriction on your progeny that will forever all but assure a level of relative poverty for them. Most people find it difficult to escape major metro poor neighborhoods. Escaping a cow town is likely to be impossible for most (but not all).

        The other perspective is that major metros tend to be soul destroying due to social isolation and lack of community in the new multicultural and high density reality. Research more or less confirms that the foundational factor to happiness (ie: low stress, but not excitement) is to reduce the population density of your living environment to a low number. Just like in rats. I suppose the trick is to find a niche in a metro that allows for both lower density community and economy. It exists, but there is no perfect place. There are always trade-offs to be made.

        Marc

        February 15, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    • How does moving help? How is an unemployed construction worker or factory worker in Pittsburgh going to be better off homeless in San Francisco?

      David Pinsen

      February 14, 2017 at 11:58 pm

      • Not in SF, but he might pick up a construction job in Raleigh or Indianapolis, for example.

        SFG

        February 15, 2017 at 6:52 am

      • If he has a significant other, he likely wouldn’t have to be homeless in San Francisco. Well, at least the San Francisco of five years ago. The current rent bubble is locally unprecedented. Today, Oakland is more realistic for this class of person.

        The key for this class of person, in San Francisco, would have been to apply to any variety of Municipal or State job. Due to the socialist nature of the local government in combination with COL considerations that justify higher salaries, these positions often pay well enough (as of five years ago) to squeak by; but having a two income household is another key to that. Two municipal salaries = just enough, without kids.

        Marc

        February 16, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    • Why should they?

      ScarletNumber

      February 15, 2017 at 7:44 am

  25. MRI scans have revealed that east Asian (Oriental) brains are on the average one cubic inch larger that white European brains. Orientals score higher than whites on IQ tests. Indeed, Orientals are ranked favourably on all those social indices that we associate with a high IQ, such as academic success, low rates of unemployment, low rates of crime and illegitimacy, low rates of STD’s. Darwin’s theory of evolution is founded on the idea that a colonies of the same species, when separated from one another by accident or migration, will begin to develop different characteristics owing to differing environmental pressures. There is thus no reason to dispute the IQ data, since the world is exactly as it would be if it were true.

    In the light of the above paragraph,it is in my opinion, impossible to cling on to the belief that all the Races of Man are equal in intelligence. An by the way, anyone who suggests that whites are as intelligent as Orientals is sticking up for whites and is therefore a NAZI.

    martin2

    February 14, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    • Don’t you know that Whites are more creative than NEA’s (North East Asians)? NEA’s have never thought to stick a Christian cross in a jar of urine and call it art!

      CamelCaseRob

      February 15, 2017 at 10:39 am

      • It’s not clear to me whether greater white creativity is cultural or genetic. I’m genuinely interested.

        As I’ve pointed out before, Japan may be a little bit less creative than the Unites States, but is a whole lot more creative than the rest of Asia. Psy’s music video is pretty creative, so maybe Korea is catching up.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 11:33 am

    • There is an important distinction to be made, which has consequences for IQ and other traits, between differing tribes and East Asians and differing racial subtypes of Whites.

      Marc

      February 15, 2017 at 8:27 pm

  26. Race gives rich whites a chance to not feel bad about hating poor whites. The fact is that poor whites are much more comfortable in the presence of the average black than rich whites could ever be.

    Calogero

    February 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm

  27. I have a feeling Tim Wise will eventually say something that will make people accuse him of being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. He will be forced to apologize and resign. I look forward to that day.

    Jimi

    February 14, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    • Resign from what?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 14, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    • Lefties tend to get purged only if they’re caught plagiarizing or something like that. Ward Churchill said that the victims of the 9/11 attacks were “little Eichmans,” which is more inflammatory than anything Wise will ever say, but what got him fired was proven plagiarism and fabrication in his academic work.

      Richard

      February 14, 2017 at 11:52 pm

    • Tim Wise imparts to himself the ultimate insurance against scandal. He openly calls for violence, and often implies a necessary genocide, against the White working class. He’s as close to a pre-revolution Bolshevik style leader as the Left has, especially when you take into account the nature of his other agitation.

      In the liberal world, that’s as good as the key to the city. They may occasionally clutch their pearls in response, but they’ll always release them and then make it a point to look away.

      Marc

      February 15, 2017 at 8:25 pm

  28. Lion,
    I posted a comment on Steve Sailer’s blog two months ago:

    “Steve,
    OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

    One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

    Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

    We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

    In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?”

    Regarding liberals and the white working class, most elite liberals honestly have never met a native born American who mows lawns, puts up dry wall or works as a short-order cook. Part of it is ignorance on the part of urban liberals. Part of it is pure hatred of the white working class. They really don’t like these people. It’s as simple as that.

    JerseyGuy

    February 14, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    • Liberal feeling towards white americans doesn’t go much further than “fuck you”.

      I’m increasingly sickened over the fact that every part of the liberal establishment is resisting the Trump presidency at every single point. This is destabilizing our country- these people have no respect for rule of law.

      It’s increasingly difficult to not see them as just jerks.

      jjbees

      February 15, 2017 at 4:36 am

  29. Lion, this was an extremely prescient prediction from 2013, despite technically being wrong. https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/lion-predicts-chris-christie-to-be-republican-nominee-in-2016/

    snorlaxwp

    February 15, 2017 at 2:51 am

    • I was right that Rubio would be chewed up in debates by Chris Christie!!!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 15, 2017 at 7:30 am

      • Credit given where credit due.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 15, 2017 at 10:25 am

  30. I’ve noticed that many rich despise and hate the poor. Conservatives say each one should remain in his place and do the best he can, cutting all possibilities of personal advancement, by promoting nepotism and family links, as a virtue.

    But i’ve heard liberal said there are happy to live in 6th and 7th zipcodes in Paris (very posh) because there is no far right electors while at the same time, they never show to places where people have to live with loads of migrants and deal with the pb of multi-cultural societies. They accuse poor white of being islmophobic when the only muslim they met are occidentilized son of ambassadors. I think that if one of this elite person would be rapped, they would size with the cast and downplay the crime, for fear of being excluded. It is like a religion.

    Bruno from Paris

    February 15, 2017 at 3:55 am

    • Elites hate most commoners, because they’re stupid and often lack control.

      JS

      February 16, 2017 at 10:25 pm

  31. […] Why? Because Hilary Clinton and the rest of the Communists hate […]

  32. It’s easy to discern that the MSM doesn’t believe in their own self-talk as to why the wwc voted for Trump.

    How do I know?

    You’ll never see them ask a common, yet higher IQ (and thus articulate), member of that class for their reasons. They’ll (rarely) catch a pleb at a rally or they will videotape an short interview as someone exits their voting station. However, the vast majority of the time they poll one another and declare their (always misleading) reasoning to be the truth. It’s a blatant method of narrative control. They do this in view of the half the nation they are speaking in regard to, knowing that part of the nation has no significant microphone with which to refute them. Fake News, indeed.

    Marc

    February 15, 2017 at 6:44 pm

  33. Where is Yakov? I miss his comments.

    onepercentergrl

    February 15, 2017 at 6:59 pm

  34. White men are still valuable because they can and do pay most of the taxes. In fact, without them, the brown-black-female part of the population could not feed themselves let along use anything because white men keep everything running.

    This sounds kind of corny but if I were Trump, I would take a cue from Putin and expand the number of medals handed out to citizens for civic merit. I would start with one specifically for tax payers. He could hand out 100 (?) (acknowledgments) medals for the highest income tax payers that year with the top three getting something fancier. Same for corporate payers. This would immediately signal that tax payers were virtuous and positive while putting the left side of the bell curve on notice that they are not. Rather than just handing out gewgaws make this a serious event that American Taxpayers could take pride in. This is a medal you would have to earn vs. the American Medal of Freedom in which you only have to be pals with Obama to get.

    Prof. Woland

    February 16, 2017 at 9:41 am

    • in many countries, top 100 tax payers get special (legal) privileges, no awards or public knowledge necessary. Not American so not sure how it is there

      onepercentergrl

      February 16, 2017 at 7:41 pm


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