Lion of the Blogosphere

And going back to the topic of the Flynn leaks

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I have no way to judge Flynn because I have no idea what he talked about with the Russian ambassador. We only have the word of leakers, who committed felonies by talking about the details of secret intelligence gathering operations with the Washington Post, that Flynn “talked about sanctions” with the Russian ambassador. That’s an interpretation of leakers who are clearly out to get either Trump or Flynn and should not be believed as the gospel truth. There’s no recording of the conversation to listen to, so there is no way to independently gauge the true intent of the phone call.

The sudden invocation of the Logan Act is complete bogosity. No one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act which is probably unconstitutional for several reasons, and has been ignored by the media when Democrats frequently go off on their own authority to talk to foreign governments. And furthermore, as someone working under the direct authority of the President-Elect, I don’t see how Flynn falls into the category of someone who isn’t authorized to be talking to the Russian ambassador.

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I suspect the true intent of the phone call was for Flynn to convey to the Russian ambassador, “when Trump takes over in a month we want better relations, so don’t do anything rash in retaliation for what Obama has done that would poison the possibility of future reconciliation.”

That sounds reasonable to me. Does it technically violate the Logan Act, an act under which no one has ever been prosecuted and has never been considered by U.S. Courts, so we don’t really know for certain what the Act allows and doesn’t allow?

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And I still believe (see my previous post) that Trump fired Flynn primarily because he wasn’t the right person for the job and this was an opportunity to to fire him. Even though the means by which leakers and the mainstream media attacked him is outrageous.

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February 15, 2017 at 2:47 pm

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  1. The people who are white knighting for Flynn are a disgrace. The guy was bad at his job, was a kook, lied to Pence and had alienated Mattis and Pompeo. Why should Trump not have fired such a person? I don’t think he should have ever hired Flynn in the first place.

    I have nothing against personal Flynn, but getting rid of him was so obviously the right move. The people who are calling this a Deep State coup are scum.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 15, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    • OK. Maybe there is an alternate explanation of this.

      Trump realized he made a mistake by hiring Flynn (why he hired Flynn, I dunno) and orchestrated the leaks. He’s really not upset at them at all. He knows all about them. He’s just pretending to be upset about them. Furthermore, he knows who did the leaking and he will fire them at an opportune time, because they’ve served their purpose.

      Anything is possible.

      gothamette

      February 15, 2017 at 3:16 pm

      • “why he hired Flynn, I dunno”

        Loyalty to someone who joined him early on in his campaign.

        “Trump realized he made a mistake by hiring Flynn (why he hired Flynn, I dunno) and orchestrated the leaks.”

        I agree that Trump realized he made a mistake, but I disagree that Trump organized the leaks. They came from deep-state leakers who hate Trump and hate Flynn. And there may be reasons for hating Flynn other than his political views and association with Trump.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 15, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      • Trump realized he made a mistake by hiring Flynn

        Some one, Scott Adams??, said Trump thinks its more important who you fire than who you hire because you can never know for sure how well a hire will do but once it’s time to go – fire them.

        Rifleman

        February 15, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      • “I agree that Trump realized he made a mistake, but I disagree that Trump organized the leaks. ”

        I’m not betting the rent money on my wild conjecture. Just saying that in the wacky world of Washington leaks, nothing is too crazy.

        In any case he should fire the leakers.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      • This is my interpretation –

        https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/general-flynn-the-temptation-of-the-lazy-left-to-miscalculate/

        Flynn’s incompetence acknowledged, there is the separate matter of whether it is in the interests of the Left to play this latest media sensation for a news cycle or two in the short term, or latch onto it as a long term scandal.

        The answer to this hinges on one question – is Flynn’s mishandling of the Russians isolated to himself or part of a broader administration plot? If it was isolated, the Technocratic Progressives would be wasting much energy for little gain if they play it long term.

        The odds favor the responsibility being isolated to Flynn. The first reason to suspect this is that Pence was reportedly surprised that the conversation was held. It follows that if Flynn were acting entirely within permissions given to him by the administration that Pence would not be surprised by actions approved by the White House. For his part Flynn would not have had to deceive anyone about it because they would have already known about it.

        In fact, if Flynn had permission to discuss sanctions the administration would not have fired him in the first place. They would have responded to the very first questions about his call by simply saying Flynn discussed sanction relief and that he had proper authorization to do so. There would be no reason for the administration to lie about this because improved relations with Moscow has been part of Trump’s platform for his entire presidential campaign.

        Further, the administration, having been in power for only 4 weeks, most likely would not have had adequate time to organize a sinister plot with Russia even if it wanted to.

        Flynn seems foolish enough to have gotten into a more serious scandal if he remained in his position. By washing out early he has done a long term disservice to the Left.

        Since the incident is probably isolated, the best decision for the Left is to get short term play out of it and then move on to a more patient stance against Trump.

        But because of their debilitating intellectual laziness they are too impulsive to play a careful game (by far their best strategy against Trump). Instead they will lose themselves in social media hysterics which proved unable to stop Trump as candidate and will be even less effective against Trump as President.

        Trump has the ability to bring this discussion about Flynn to a halt at any time by threatening a criminal investigation into one of the extensive ties of the Obama administration to ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, Libya and the siege of Benghazi, its enabling of the Iranian nuclear program, or its cooperation with multiple Islamic terrorist groups (Note: We do not yet recommend Trump investigate all of the Obama administration’s ties to Islamic terrorism. It would be more useful for Trump to select one connection and save the others as future decoys).

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 6:13 pm

      • In any case he should fire the leakers.

        He can do better than that.

        He can prosecute them.

        And it won’t be hard to find who the leakers are. There are only a certain number of personnel who would be able access the records.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      • “prosecute”

        Right.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:13 pm

      • The benign explanation is that Trump wasn’t really prepared for the Presidency. The odds were completely stacked against him, and I think he initially entered the campaign without an expecation of winning, he expected to raise his profile and get a message across that no one else was making. Bush, Cruz, Rubio had already sucked all the usual talent up onto their teams, and when Trump realized he needed to put together advisors, he grabbed whomever was left – basically cranks like Flynn, Manafort and Carter Page. On the one hand those guys boosted Trumps “outsider” credentials, but on the other hand all three of those guys have very suspicious ties to an unfriendly foreign government, and it is not surprising this is biting Trump in the ass a bit. The good news is that they are all gone now. Trump’s problem now is how to find honest reliable experts without letting the Deep State run his foreign policy.

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 16, 2017 at 4:51 am

      • “The benign explanation is that Trump wasn’t really prepared for the Presidency.”

        I don’t think he was. It’s a lot like Carter. Old enough to remember that? A couple of months after he was elected, a friend said to me, “He’s a nice, bright guy but he’s in over his head.”

        Add to that the astonishing hatred and hostility shown to him, and you’ve got a problem. Not to mention the “Deep State.”

        I put the words in quotation marks because everyone seems to know who and what they are. That’s not very deep, is it?

        gothamette

        February 16, 2017 at 12:09 pm

      • PS, this is another difference between Trump and Reagan. Reagan’s team was so unbelievably slick, so fast out of the starting gate, everyone was stunned. They shouldn’t have been. Reagan was very bright (yes, he was), he’d been a keen student of politics since his youth, and he’d been governor of CA twice. And oh, had the good will, even the worship, of many Republicans. Not the old establishment but the foot soldiers.

        No comparison between Reagan and Trump.

        gothamette

        February 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm

  2. I’ll be annoying and repost my reply from the other thread for visibility:

    Here’s what I said on your post about DeVos from 2 weeks ago:

    I’d be pretty disappointed [if she were voted down], not because I think she’s even remotely a good pick but because it’s critically important to keep up the momentum in the early days of an administration. Defeats and momentum-stalling pyrrhic victories are what stop Presidents from realizing their agendas.

    That’s why everyone always talks about the first 100 days. You want the waverers to feel caught up in the historical moment instead of worrying about their reelections.

    Now CNN’s reporting the Pudzer nomination is dead. Like Flynn, I think his was a nomination that was ill-advised in the first place, but that’s not what’s important. The gazelle’s wounded, the hyenas smell blood, and it can’t outrun them anymore.

    Every Trump initiative, from good (addressing immigration) to unimportant (rapprochement with Russia) to bad (replace Obamacare with Libertariancare) is dead in the water. For example, the “muh free trade” shitbirds have taken the opportunity to kill even the mildest, most free-market libertarian-approved proposal to preserve good-paying blue-collar jobs.

    I get a lot of flak for being a “defeatist” or “concern troll,” and I admit I’ve been too quick to predict doom for Trump on a number of occasions, but this really does feel like a low moment where there isn’t a clear path to recovery.

    snorlaxwp

    February 15, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    • How is this going to hurt Trump’s approval?

      Trump never had much of a legislative agenda. His job is the muslim ban, building the wall and destruction of the immigrant community. The only thing he needs from Congress is an E-verify bill and perhaps a modification to the H1B program (already in the works).

      The Flynn loss and the Prudzer loss are only issues if they impact Trump’s popularity and there are no indications that they will.

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm

      • Those are all, to say the least, easier said than done. And if he doesn’t improve things for blue-collar workers he isn’t going to be reelected.

        The Flynn and Pudzer losses are important because the approximately half of GOP senators who are deeply Trump-hostile now feel energized to continue blocking Trump’s agenda rather than to resume implementing it.

        snorlaxwp

        February 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      • He wasn’t elected to improve things for blue collar workers. He was elected to build the wall, ban muslims and destroy the immigrant community. Congress gets no say in any of those things.

        How does losing Flynn and Pudzer effect Trump’s ability to do these things?

        Congress’s willingness to oppose Trump is 100% a matter of Trump’s popularity, particularly Trump’s popularity amongst Republican voters. Trump’s approval #s have declined by 2 points since his post inauguration bounce. That is nothing. The people are sticking with Trump.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 15, 2017 at 5:34 pm

      • I get a lot of flak for being a “defeatist” or “concern troll,” and I admit I’ve been too quick to predict doom for Trump on a number of occasions, but this really does feel like a low moment where there isn’t a clear path to recovery.

        Respectfully disagree. He has many paths.

        The position of Labor Secretary is one that never helps a President. Because Pudzer was opposed to Trump’s immigration policies he was more likely to cause problems. It is too early to declare his legislative dead.

        The imbroglio over Russia can be brought to a screeching halt if Trump so much as threatens to open a criminal investigation into Obama’s close ties to Islamic terrorism. If a mere phone call between Flynn and Russia about sanctions can be investigated under the bogus Logan Act, then certainly there are multiple indictments of Obama officials waiting to be uncovered in classified documents dealing with Iranian sanctions, arming ISIS, and the toppling of Mubarak:

        https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/general-flynn-the-temptation-of-the-lazy-left-to-miscalculate/

        Why was the Muslim Brotherhood being given red carpet treatment at the Obama White House before, during, and after the Brotherhood’s toppling of America’s long-term ally, Hosni Mubarak? It will surely attract more public interest since the welcoming of the Muslim Brotherhood could not be pinned on a few isolated intelligence agents.

        The pseudo-scandal around Flynn would be brought to an end because the Progressives, having feigned outrage over Trump’s connections to Russia, will then simultaneously tie themselves into an incoherent mess explaining why Obama’s close diplomatic connections with genocidal Muslim terrorists is acceptable.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm

      • How is this going to hurt Trump’s approval?

        The Liberals will get carried away with the Flynn non-story for too long because they are seeking a quick-fix to their problems.

        But the story itself has no legs beyond a news cycle or two – what the Left’s complaint amounts to is that it is illegal for a Presidential intelligence official to discuss sanctions with a foreign power. Total nonsense both legally and as political strategy.

        At most it is an administrative problem where a White House official was not honest with the Vice President.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    • I’m glad Pudzer is gone. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

      You know what would be a good thing? If the Oroville Lake fills up with water in the next few days & destroys the spillways, forcing Jerry Brown to come begging to Trump on his knees. Trump puts on a hard hat and has a MAGA event in Chico, perhaps in one of those Sikh temples that’s generously giving people food and shelter during this awful time.

      Good for Trump but awful for the poor folks of Oroville. They voted Trump and deserve better.

      gothamette

      February 15, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      • I think Pudzer was a good pick. He supported Trump during the campaign. But he had too much baggage and got “Dascheled”. Tough that it happens right after the Flynn thing but these things happen.

        Otis the Sweaty

        February 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm

      • Pudzer is an open borders, cheap labor punk just like 99% of CEOs.

        Rifleman

        February 15, 2017 at 4:16 pm

      • They are desperately draining water using the damaged main spillway at the Oroville Dam. There is a big whole in the middle of the concrete about 2/3 of the way down the spillway. The spillway is separate from the dam itself.

        Over the weekend they cut the water in the main spillway way back to minimize further damage to it and let the dam fill up to the elevation of the emergency spillway. The emergency spillway is just a concrete wall that allows water to flow over it and down the side of a hill. The engineers claimed it was rated to handle 250,000 cubic feet per second (CFS) of water. After a few hours of water flowing in the emergency spillway at a maximum rate of 12,500 CFS the hillside next to the concrete wall at the top of the emergency spillway started to erode away. Engineers feared the concrete wall at the top could collapse causing flooding downstream. This is when they ordered the evacuation. The emergency spillway had never been used or tested before.

        So basically they now know the emergency spillway does not work at all and the main spillway has a giant hole in it. They are trying to drain as much water out as possible down the main spillway. As of a short while ago, the water level is 23.5 feet below the level of the emergency spillway, but there is another series of big storms coming in that will hit northern California starting late tonight. There original goal was to get the water 50′ down, but I don’t think they are going to make it. At current rate they should be ~30′ down by tomorrow morning when the hard rain is suppose to start.

        Mike CA

        February 15, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      • They voted Trump and deserve better.

        But I thought if the dam fails Sacramento will be flooded?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      • This is scary.

        http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article132356269.html

        I really do apologize for my bad taste joke. Certain things shouldn’t be joked about.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      • I wasn’t serious, TuJ. I probably should not joke around on a website that’s being read by Homeland Security.

        If the spillways failed yes, I think the entire area would be flooded. The dam is OK.

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:06 pm

      • This is a good description, in addition to Mike CA (mikeca?)’s comment:

        http://www.popsci.com/oroville-dam-spillway-evacuations#page-4

        gothamette

        February 15, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      • I wasn’t serious, TuJ. I probably should not joke around on a website that’s being read by Homeland Security.

        Or perhaps some of Lion’s inscrutability is rubbing off on you?

        This is a good description, in addition to Mike CA (mikeca?)’s comment:

        So many “I’m with her” bumper stickers could be swept into the Pacific this weekend.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 15, 2017 at 9:43 pm

      • It was more in the spirit of Otis’s “good for Trump” posts responding to various terror attacks. Not right.

        BTW, the beginning of this mess dates to 2005. Bush/Schwartzenegger bear some of the responsibility.

        There should never be a partisan argument about necessary expenditures for infrastructure. When you buy a house, get ready to spend money on its upkeep constantly. Same goes for dams & bridges.

        gothamette

        February 16, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      • “If the spillways failed yes, I think the entire area would be flooded. The dam is OK.”

        If the emergency spillway failed, some amount of the water in the lake would be released suddenly. I have seen maps of where the water would go if the dam completely failed, but failure of the emergency spillway would release less water. Those maps did not go as far south as Sacramento. There probably would be a lot of water get to Sacramento, but I don’t think it would be washed away in the flood.

        I think there is now little danger of the emergency spillway failing, but they are going to have to use the damaged main spillway for a long time, which will damage it even more. California has record or near record snow pack in the Sierras. The dam is already full and the snow pack has not even started to melt. The risk is that main spillway will have more damage, but the claim is this will not cause the dam to fail. Of course that claim is from the same engineers that said the emergency spillway would work.

        mikeca

        February 15, 2017 at 9:59 pm

      • Let’s hope that it all works out. I don’t have a very good feeling about all this, though.

        gothamette

        February 16, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    • I’m feeling blue myself, but bear in mind that it took almost a year for Obama to get Obamacare passed, and he had a couple of failed cabinet nominations too (Richardson and Daschle). When Trump stalled in the past he made adjustments, cut dead weight, and sailed on, and that was without such a powerful thing as the presidency.

      Richard

      February 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm

      • It looks bad now, but I think this is just Trump being about 8 moves ahead of everyone else.

        Two in the Bush

        February 15, 2017 at 9:02 pm

  3. If Trump fires Bannon, Sessions or Miller, then we have a problem. How much did people even care about Flynn before all this controversy broke out?

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 15, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    • Nothing. I paid zero attention to it but then I read about the “leaks” and the “Deep State” interference, so I got alarmed because I thought it was the beginning of the end of the CIA coup. But I calmed down. I don’t think that all is as it appears to be. I think Trump may be behind this in the long run. That reassures me.

      gothamette

      February 15, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    • Bannon, Sessions or Miller are the triumvirate of nationalist populism. Everyone else is expendable.

      Mike Street Station

      February 15, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      • Bannon, Sessions or Miller are the triumvirate of nationalist populism.

        And remember we are less than a month in, all executive orders.

        They need to get to work on legislation and policy and go on the attack.

        Flynn just made a dumb mistake. Not criminal and Deep State didn’t force him to do it.

        Let the Opposition Party pretend they got a victory. They are losers.

        Rifleman

        February 15, 2017 at 11:41 pm

    • How much did people even care about Flynn before all this controversy broke out?

      Flynn became a punching bag for the Left because of his connections to Russia and tendency to make gaffes. As a more incompetent version of Oliver North in waiting Trump is better off letting Flynn go early.

      Meanwhile the Left will overplay their hand on this because they can’t think straight anymore:

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/general-flynn-the-temptation-of-the-lazy-left-to-miscalculate/

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm

  4. “And I still believe (see my previous post) that Trump fired Flynn primarily because he wasn’t the right person for the job…”

    The president’s national security adviser clearly has to be someone the president trusts. Clearly Trump trusted Flynn at some point. From Trump’s tweets today it appears he still does.

    The other side of the coin is the president’s national security adviser has to be someone the intelligence agencies trust and respect. From all the leaks that does not appear to be the case. The intelligence agencies did not trust Flynn and were apparently refusing to work with him.

    Mike CA

    February 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    • The only people in the world who Trump trusts are Ivanka, Jared, Miller and Bannon. Not sure of Eric & Donald, Jr., or Barron.

      gothamette

      February 15, 2017 at 3:21 pm

  5. The whole story is a bad look for Trump, no way around it. Either Flynn is guilty of something bad, in which case Trump is responsible for bringing him in as National Security Advisor, or else Flynn is not guilty, in which case Trump is playing along with anti-Trump fake news hype. Even if there was some other reason to fire him, the message should be “I will, but not because you said to”, not “omg headlines”.

    Greg Pandatshang

    February 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    • Being guilty of talking about sanctions with the Russians before being officially named National Security Advisor is ultimately no big deal. But how the gist of TS NSA transcripts got leaked to the press are a couple of felonies worth.

      Mike Street Station

      February 15, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      • Unauthorized communication with the intelligence agencies of an unfriendly foreign power is a very, very big deal. And in context of Flynn’s cozy relationship with Russia in the past, it is an even bigger deal. Best case Flynn is simply an idiot who truly believes that Russia, a country with 10% Muslim population, close ties to Muslim states for centuries, and friend of Iran, will be our ally against Islamic radicals. Worst case Flynn is completely compromised and should never have been within miles of a sensitive position like NSA.

        Peter Akuleyev

        February 16, 2017 at 4:58 am

      • “Unauthorized communication with the intelligence agencies of an unfriendly foreign power is a very, very big deal.”

        I’m sorry I missed that. Flynn was knowingly talking to someone in Russian Intelligence?

        Mike Street Station

        February 16, 2017 at 8:43 am

  6. Trump went through three campaign managers and won. There’s going to be tremendous turnover in Trump’s Administration over the next eight years. It’s how Trump operates. We should get used to it.

    Andrew E.

    February 15, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    • True. And it is not surprising when you consider that Trump doesn’t appear to have had a 10 year plan to become President. He is not a Bush or a Clinton with a huge stable of experienced loyal officials to pick from. He is an outsider, he has had to improvise, and people who voted for him knew that he would have a learning curve. I have a lot of doubts about Trump as a person, but even I see that expecting him to start a brand new job without some hiccoughs is crazily unrealistic.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 16, 2017 at 5:02 am

  7. The #Resistance has taken down one of Trump’s cabinet nominees!…the one immigration restrictionists also wanted gone. How’s that for Trump’s Luck?

    IHTG

    February 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    • You don’t know that. Stop spreading fake news.

      hard9bf

      February 15, 2017 at 6:29 pm

      • Yes I do.

        Go Kirsanow.

        IHTG

        February 15, 2017 at 8:36 pm

      • Wrong. There’s zero evidence President Trump capitulated to #SnowflakeTantrum. It’s irrelevant if #SnowflakeTantrum claims credit for President Trump’s decisions. Infantile non-sequitur.

        hard9bf

        February 16, 2017 at 12:02 pm

  8. “No one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act which is probably unconstitutional for several reasons, and has been ignored by the media when Democrats frequently go off on their own authority to talk to foreign governments. ”

    Anyone remember in 2008 when candidate Obama sent Austan Goolsbee to the Canadian consulate to conduct private conversations about NAFTA?

    He was subsequently named to be the Chairman of the Council of Economic advisors, so his Logan violation didnt hurt him.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    February 15, 2017 at 4:17 pm

  9. “Bogosity” – great word.

    Two in the Bush

    February 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm

  10. The whole thing made Trump look like a clown, but then again he probably is indeed a clown. So far he has accomplished two things: he was pwned on his idiotic implementation of the travel ban and now he surrendered one of his top guys without any fight or explanation. My guess is that his first real “victory” will be huge tax cuts and the repeal of Obamacare. I am starting to think the witch would have been a better president. At least with her, there would have been no irrational exuberance.

    Nice blog, dude

    February 15, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    • HRC would have appointed extreme liberal justices to the Supreme Court, and that would be the end of everything.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 15, 2017 at 7:55 pm

      • Given Trump’s track record so far, his SC judges will turn out to be pretty liberal. Seriously, he seems to have no clout with anybody that matters and I do not think he has tools and ideas on how operate against the Deep State. He will probably turn out to be the least influential president since William Harrison.

        Nice blog, dude

        February 15, 2017 at 9:27 pm

      • Do you want 4 years of Jeff Sessions or 4 more of Loretta Lynch?

        Rifleman

        February 15, 2017 at 11:45 pm

      • No one seems to be seeing the beauty of what Trump has done. His activities have chummed the water…and brought out all sorts of creatures that were otherwise hidden. The phrase “Deep State” is now being bandied about in public. More and more, the tinfoil hat people have been proven broadly correct and blogs like these, who have been writing about the left’s hatreds for 15 years, have been proven right.

        It is really astonishing.

        The speed of Trump’s EO’s is obviously a big part of thus chumming process.

        What we are seeing is different elements of the deep state at war with each other. You have the military and military intelligence on one side and the CIA and its organs on the other. I serioulsy doubt CIA will win.

        map

        February 16, 2017 at 4:15 am

    • Goldman Sachs stock is up 37% since Trump got elected, so there is that.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 16, 2017 at 5:04 am

  11. The fakestream media and Democrats believe, sincerely, that Presidents Trump and Putin conspired and successfully stole the presidency from ol’ Thunderbiscuits. There is of course zero evidence for this. That means that any Trump policy benefitting Russia or individual Russians will be called quid pro quo by the Democrats and the fakestream media and will deserve investigation and impeachment proceedings. And the Stupid Party, which deeply hates Trump the interloping outsider, will call for investigations as well.

    hard9bf

    February 15, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    • Yes, there is zero evidence that Trump conspired with Russia. There is no evidence that he asked for Russian help, wanted Russian help, or was aware of how they were helping him.

      On the other hand, there is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence that the Russians did actively help Trump whether he wanted that help or not. Pretty much everyone in Russia thinks Russia helped Trump win, and have been celebrating for weeks. That creates a problem for Trump that he is going to have to address at some point.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 16, 2017 at 5:11 am

      • “That creates a problem for Trump that he is going to have to address at some point.”

        No. President Trump is not obliged to address the paranoid fantasies and delusions of the fakestream media or #SnowflakeTantrum, other than to call out their fake news stories at every press conference.

        hard9bf

        February 16, 2017 at 12:22 pm

      • ” That creates a problem for Trump that he is going to have to address at some point.”

        I’m sure he’ll get right on that right after Hillary acknowledges the help she got from The Ukraine by their outing of Manafort’s former client connections.

        Mike Street Station

        February 17, 2017 at 6:18 am

  12. “I suspect the true intent of the phone call was for Flynn to convey to the Russian ambassador, “when Trump takes over in a month we want better relations, so don’t do anything rash in retaliation for what Obama has done that would poison the possibility of future reconciliation.””

    I agree. It’s probably something pretty close to that. Perhaps Flynn just wasn’t very good. Still, the media have completely lost their minds over Russia. Urban liberals have adopted a group think where they actually believe that Putin is going to taken over the world. It’s something to behold.

    The funniest thing about the past year is basically everything that has been said on blogs like this one for the past 10 years: How liberals actually hate the native working class, that they are post-Nationalist, that globalism is really bad for 1st world countries, that a Deep State actually exists, has been proven to be correct.

    JerseyGuy

    February 15, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    • “The funniest thing about the past year is basically everything that has been said on blogs like this one for the past 10 years: How liberals actually hate the native working class, that they are post-Nationalist, that globalism is really bad for 1st world countries, that a Deep State actually exists, has been proven to be correct.”

      You are exactly right.

      Two in the Bush

      February 15, 2017 at 8:20 pm

  13. I suspect putting Iran “on notice” backfiring played a big role in getting Flynn fired and lot of the official reasons aren’t the real reasons.
    My thoughts on Flynn’s firing and US-Iran policy in general.
    https://colonyofcommodus.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/the-trump-era-and-iran/

    Giovanni Dannato

    February 15, 2017 at 8:08 pm

  14. The media (and Trump detractors) seem to be implying that this issue and in particular Flynn’s conversations with the Russians may be enough to bring Trump down. Are these bogus words from admittedly untrustworthy sources or is there an actual danger to the Trump administration here???

    roli

    February 16, 2017 at 5:07 am

    • I’m glad President Trump wants to normalize relations with Russia and drop Obama’s petulant, bogus sanctions. Do we really want World War III or Cold War II because President Putin refuses to lead a Rainbow Pride parade?

      hard9bf

      February 16, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • I think that’s the actual real root of the current anti-Russian hysteria; Russia’s anti Gay laws from 2013. Before that, Obama and Vlad were tight.

        Mike Street Station

        February 17, 2017 at 6:20 am

  15. The constitution makes the executive branch the sole authority in foreign relations. But McCain has been running around Europe trying to undermine Trump’s foreign policy and administration. Why hasn’t anyone accused him of violating the Logan Act???

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security-mccain-trump-idUSKBN15W210

    destructure

    February 18, 2017 at 6:22 pm


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