Lion of the Blogosphere

Men who play video games instead of working

I’ve had this Washington Post article bookmarked for months, but never wrote a blog post about it.

“When I play a game, I know if I have a few hours I will be rewarded,” he said. “With a job, it’s always been up in the air with the amount of work I put in and the reward.”

That sounds exactly like something I wrote about World of Warcraft in 2006 (more than 10 years ago!):

… Most people toil away at jobs where they never see any direct benefit from their hard work.

This is where World of Warcraft comes in and meets people’s unmet psychological needs. In WoW and similar games, your status increases slowly but surely every time you play. After so many hours in the game, you can see exactly how many more experience points you have, maybe your level has increased, maybe you have better armor or weapons than you had before. Unlike the real world, where you can work 40 hours of overtime and not even get paid for it, if you put an extra 40 hours into WoW you will definitely have something to show for it. Your status within the virtual world of WoW will have increased in ways you can clearly ascertain.

The question is, are video games the cause of men retreating from the conventional workforce, or a symptom?

I do think that video games, as well as other high-tech diversions like internet, social media, high definition TV, make being out of work more bearable and to some extent demotivates people from wanting to get back into the labor force (which for people without self-actualizing jobs is often unpleasant).

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 15, 2017 at 12:56 pm

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  1. ‘With a job, it’s always been up in the air with the amount of work I put in and the reward.”

    A loser talking. Stupid and spoiled rotten too. Where are there jobs like this? If that’s your job though, why don’t you quit it already?

    Yakov

    February 15, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    • Most cubicle farm jobs are like this. Pro athlete/fighter pilot/James Bond jobs are kind of thin on the ground.

      SteveRogers42

      February 16, 2017 at 12:52 am

      • @steverogers42:

        These are not great jobs either. If you’ve ever worked in pro-sports, you quickly realize how much the players are indentured servants, albeit highly paid. Extremely strict schedules, diets, constant medical measurement/probing, putting their body through abuse, coaches on their ass, trainers on their ass, the grind of the season. The “fun” jobs in sports are NOT the playing jobs. Coaching/GM jobs are much better.

        Fighter pilot – not fun, too structured, rules based, and in 20 years trending towards obsolescence with swarming drones.

        James Bond I.e. Ncs officer – yep, Evan McMullin’s job was super fun. Not. It’s a shitty job to be honest as well.

        Look up “Kirk lacob” if you want to see fun jobs and his background.

        Simba of the blogosphere

        February 16, 2017 at 1:10 pm

      • To each his own, my friend.

        And Egg McMuffin would not be my idea of a James Bond type. I’m thinking Felix Rodriguez.

        SteveRogers42

        February 16, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      • Simba — Upon further review…Every time I hear the “indentured servant” argument about the trials and tribulations of playing pro ball, it comes from one o’ dem supa affletes fum da hood who is angling for a pay raise. It is prima facie inaccurate because any of these poor, put-upon souls could leave their indenture at any time and seek more congenial employment elsewhere, such as the grease pit at Jiffy Lube. But strangely enough, none do. Instead, they compete vigorously for the opportunity to be enslaved. Let’s take a look at the horrors of the daily grind in the NFL/NBA/MLB/MLS/NHL:

        If it’s not a game day, you are allowed to work out for free in state-of-the-art facilities under the guidance of the finest coaches and trainers in the world. The best possible nutrition is provided for free by professional dieticians and gourmet cooks. If you have sustained the slightest boo-boo, doctors and physical therapists immediately spring into action in order to keep you at peak efficiency — since you are a valuable capital asset and not an anonymous cog in a cubicle.

        On game day, you get to play a game that most males would enjoy playing for free, and you do it in front of tens of thousands of adoring fans — a fan base that includes an inexhaustible supply of 9’s and 10’s who are eager to fulfill any and all of your sweaty personal fantasies. Traveling from one site of hero-worship to another is not exactly a grind equal to that of the Donner Party, because all travel is either first-class or on chartered planes where your every need is catered to as if you were the emir of Kuwait.

        Did I mention the colossal sums of money that even the last man on the bench is paid in order to re-enact symbolic Neolithic combat in a safe environment and an enjoyable manner? Well, I’ve never worked in the sports industry, but I can read the papers, and I know that 8 or 10 years of this hellish grind enables pro veterans to retire and live the rest of their days in unimaginable luxury, occasionally supplemented by high-paying, low-effort jobs as announcers, actors, and commercial pitchmen.

        There’s a reason nobody says: “I’ve gotta go work basketball”. Instead, the term is “play” basketball. These are games. They’re fun to watch and more fun to play, and if you have a physically aggressive mindset, they are deeply fulfilling to play. To actually get paid (very, very well) and fawned over for doing so would be the best “job” in the world, and trying to make it sound like a lifetime chained to an oar in a Turkish galley just sounds ridiculous.

        SteveRogers42

        February 16, 2017 at 9:10 pm

  2. The guy very clearly articulates something that older people just don’t get. It’s not that videos games are “fun” and work is “boring”. Games feel rewarding in a way that most work does not. Employers should seek to incorporate the constant feedback/constant reward/measurable progress elements from video games into their employees’ work processes. Make work more like a video game. Of course the only employers likely to do this are hip cool employers who probably have their people self actualizing and engaged already.

    27 year old from sailers

    February 15, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    • I find elite employers like Bridgewater and McKinsey do a great job with unvarnished consistent feedback – whereas regular employers don’t. This was discussed on an other forum I visit and those who work in non-elite firms thought it was dumb and a waste of time that top firms did so much feedback.

      Simba of the Blogosphere

      February 15, 2017 at 6:34 pm

      • elite employers like Bridgewater and McKinsey do a great job with unvarnished consistent feedback – whereas regular employers don’t.

        I’ve had two (excellent!) performance reviews in ten years at my current employer. I may not see or hear from my boss in three or four or more weeks. I like it that way.

        E. Rekshun

        February 16, 2017 at 4:00 am

      • Most work eventually becomes a routine and workers get bored of it.

        America’s 40+ hr wk goes to show that our nation is unwilling to move forward into a new level of human evolution. But with so many undesirables/NAMs, there is no point anyway.

        JS

        February 16, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    • ‘Employers should seek to incorporate the constant feedback/constant reward/measurable progress elements from video games into their employees’ work processes.’

      An emoloyer is a nanny now? All your boss wants is for you to do your job and not give him headaches. This is so simple. Solve his problems and you are golden.

      It’s amazing how many people have no idea what work is about.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 8:02 pm

  3. Garbage article (typical of Wonkblog) but with some funny quotes.

    “With a job, it’s always been up in the air with the amount of work I put in and the reward.” eh? he doesnt know what his hourly rate is? You can put in a whole shift on raiding and get wiped and get nothing from all that time.

    “The young men aren’t gaining job experience that will better equip them to work in their 30s and 40s.” – first time that has been worried about. I thought the Fight for 15 assured us it was irrelevant.

    “At the same time, if a historically vibrant portion of the population doesn’t feel as much desire to work…”

    “vibrant”?

    Lion o' the Turambar

    February 15, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    • On the comment about the hourly rate, I think it’s true. Even if you bust your ass for an hour or play hearthstone on your phone, you still receive the same amount of money. There aren’t constant checks to reward you for the quality of your work.

      Yup

      February 15, 2017 at 6:57 pm

      • Right. As a wise man told me early in my career: “The pay’s the same”. And in fact, self-starters and go-getters are often resented by those they implicitly rebuke, and their careers suffer as a result. There’s a reason the Dilbert strip is so popular — it’s nonfiction.

        SteveRogers42

        February 16, 2017 at 1:02 am

      • Dilbert strip is accurate in portraying the losers. Why isn’t there a strip that tells the winers’ side? Because the winners obviously don’t need it. Lolz.

        Yakov

        February 16, 2017 at 8:33 am

      • Name checks out.

        SteveRogers42

        February 16, 2017 at 8:27 pm

  4. “…high-tech diversions like the internet, social media, high definition TV, make being out of work more bearable and to some extent demotivates people from wanting to get back into the labor force (which for people without self-actualizing jobs is often unpleasant).”

    Social media/the internet also makes it easy to see the difference between a self-actualizing life and a mundane life. Why work at an unpleasant minimum wage job when a disability check lets you enjoy high-tech escapism? This is also part of the reason for the popularity of medical and recreational marijuana and worsening opiate abuse.

    There isn’t much self-actualizing work available in flyover America. Well-paid manufacturing jobs have been difficult to come by for a long time. Even my well-paid professional job disappoints me when I look on the internet and see those who put out less effort but get to enjoy life more.

    I don’t think I will be around for the era of strong AI and immersive VR escapism. That plus basic income might finally free the proletariat.

    R P

    February 15, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    • I say never when it comes to America. Our elites will never allow basic income to come into fruition. Americans do not deserve any better anyway. They live in a bubble and refuse to pop it.

      JS

      February 15, 2017 at 9:05 pm

  5. I haven’t played a video game since Pacman in 1980 at an arcade near my childhood home.

    E. Rekshun

    February 15, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    • I played Ms. Pacman at Barcade last month, where I met some a couple friends and some biz associates: http://barcadejerseycity.com/

      My favorite old school video game is Millipede. I play it on an iPhone occasionally.

      David Pinsen

      February 16, 2017 at 3:33 am

  6. Also factor in apps like Tinder. A decent looking young guy can now get laid much easier. Most jobs are stupid and boring anyway.

    A Reader

    February 15, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    • the kid in the wapo article is not decent looking at all and isn’t getting play on tinder.

      Simba of the Blogosphere

      February 15, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    • Also factor in apps like Tinder.

      I don’t know anything about Tinder. I meet plenty attractive 20- 30 year old women on my fake Facebook account and the old-fashioned way out and about around town.

      E. Rekshun

      February 16, 2017 at 4:04 am

      • Please tell more about the fake Facebook account.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 16, 2017 at 7:28 am

      • I’d rather not go into details, but I’m convinced nearly all women on Facebook, aside from older married women and grannies sharing kid/dog/cat photos and family gossip, are looking and advertising for men and male attention. Unfortunately, the several I’ve met in person through initial Facebook contacts, while attractive to very attractive, are proles and not ones I would be comfortable introducing to family, coworkers, or real life friends.

        In my mid-30s, I went on Match.com for a month and I’m convinced that all the attractive female profiles on there are fake. I had some trouble canceling Match and they dinged my credit card for a second month. That’s probably they’re standard business practice. Other guys I know had the same problem. I just had my credit card company cancel the payment. My Citibank Mastercard now allows me to get a one-time or time or dollar-limited “virtual” credit card no. linked to my account for making on-line and telephonic purchases.

        E. Rekshun

        February 16, 2017 at 11:08 am

      • How does one go about making a fake Facebook account? Without friends, it would look suspicious, but how do you get people to friend your fake account without any friends?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 16, 2017 at 11:32 am

      • How does one go about making a fake Facebook account? Without friends, it would look suspicious, but how do you get people to friend your fake account without any friends?

        It’s getting a little bit harder to do, Facebook has got some screens that try to prevent a fake Facebook. And, right, getting friends is necessary. Just start randomly friend requesting and people accept. Asians in Asia seem pretty easy. LOL!

        E. Rekshun

        February 16, 2017 at 12:17 pm

      • Lots of places on the internets where you can buy fake Fakebook friends, fake Twatter likes and followers, etc. Capitalism at work.

        Zenit

        February 17, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    • I forgot porn. Say what you want about 2017. The porn is damn good. Weed, video games and porn sounds more fun than work

      A Reader

      February 16, 2017 at 7:48 pm

  7. You need to get back to your old day blog about class, prole, etc. The trump stuff is too much and getting annoying. He will most likely be impeached before his term is over.

    unam

    February 15, 2017 at 6:21 pm

  8. I don’t understand the quote. Someone’s rate of pay is constant unless you work on commission.

    The real reason why work sucks compared to video games is that with most jobs, your schedule is set. You can’t just show up when you feel like it and leave when you feel like it.

    ScarletNumber

    February 15, 2017 at 6:34 pm

  9. I personally think their is a whole different story here. The reward for men working used to be that you get one of the humans greatest desires fulfilled: Sex. Men used to ALWAYS get better jobs than women, especially before many high paying physical labor jobs were eliminated. Now having a job isn’t seen as a good quality to women. They themselves can get a pretty decent job. They care more about physical attractiveness and being “alpha” than how much money you make. For a lot of these guys, they probably still wouldn’t be getting girls if they were working so why work? Think about the consequences:

    Work scenario: Live in own apartment, have to cook own food, do meaningless task for 8 – 10 hours a day. Don’t get laid, play video games for 4 hours a day.

    NEET scenario:Live with parents, get food cooked for you, free rent, play video games 16 hours per day, still not getting laid.

    Clearly the NEET scenario is much better for young men these days who aren’t working a really high level job.

    Yup

    February 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    • Plus, let’s face it — office jobs are kinda f@ggotty. After all, women can do them, right? No need for strength, courage, or stamina. We are descended from countless generations of hunters and tribal warriors, who passed on the genes that made them successful in that environment. No wonder young men today are psychologically alienated and unfulfilled — the whole situation is deeply unnatural. No matter how competent you are at crunching numbers on a spreadsheet, it will never give you the opportunity to prove to yourself, your peers, and your potential mates that you are “good at being a man”. Even bastions of masculinity like police and fire depts. have had their policies and procedures softened to the point that little twatlets can sashay around in uniforms drawing the same pay as the men who still are the ones to actually do whatever dirty work is allowed to be done.

      I certainly can’t wag a disapproving finger at guys who opt out of that system. My displacement activity of choice would center on workouts and martial arts, but each to his own.

      SteveRogers42

      February 16, 2017 at 1:21 am

      • “office jobs are kinda f@ggotty. After all, women can do them, right?”

        Can in theory but in the real world don’t. I’ve never worked in an office where men weren’t the go to people for all the tough projects. Women, even highly educated women, are much more likely to opt for gimmicks and superficial exercises over quality when the opportunity arises.

        Curle

        February 16, 2017 at 8:56 am

      • Exactly, its funny, I actually spent most of my youth doing various types of martial arts and combat sports. It honestly was the most fulfilling thing for me. I played a lot of video games as well, mainly competitive online games. I think the common misconception with online gamers like the one the in the article is that they’re lazy. If you see the time, effort and research a lot of people put into getting good at those games, its like a job. It’s just they are more motivated to do that thing because it more closely represents something that a human was made to do. Most of the games that are very popular include aspects that would have been very useful in a hunting community. Working with a team, learning how to coordinate and flank/surround/corner enemies is something that always gave me a thrill and I’m sure its just because it’s in our DNA to get fulfillment out of doing these things.

        I do think people exist that get enjoyment out of office jobs, but it never really mattered because its not like they reproduce anymore than the rest of us. I mean, I would honestly like to get fulfillment from doing office work, but I just don’t. At least not to the extent which I enjoy doing real physical things.

        Yup

        February 16, 2017 at 8:58 am

      • @Yup: I actually spent most of my youth doing various types of martial arts and combat sports.

        Yes, throughout my teens, I did a few years of Karate and Judo; I was serious and got a lot out of it. In my early 20s and then again in my early 30s, I trained in a couple of serious boxing gyms (one of them was 95% black in Miami). I went 3 – 3 over six amateur organized boxing matches.

        I’ve been wanting to get back in to Judo or MMA, but I’ve been saying that for ten years while I just lift, stretch, and run.

        E. Rekshun

        February 16, 2017 at 11:15 am

      • Curle — every word you just said is true.

        SteveRogers42

        February 16, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    • Hikikomori way is the best way.

      Zenit

      February 16, 2017 at 5:57 am

  10. i know guys who just sit around playing league of legends all day and streaming it. they dont make much but because they live at home its all the money they need. its basically a ladder rung above NEET life. this is only going to become more and more common as our economies further devolve into triviality.

    james n.s.w

    February 15, 2017 at 8:12 pm

  11. Hence the remark about how old video games were just like real life: they got harder and harder until you died.

    Gil

    February 15, 2017 at 9:15 pm

  12. Fussell covered this; proles crave independence and status while simultaneously wanting someone else to make the tough decisions and keep their lives organized.

    I work with a couple of prole male underlings and the only thing that lights a fire under their asses is unvarnished male hierarchical teamwork style directions and motivation. A naturally superior male pushing the group competition buttons can get them going. I believe it is hard wired in the male brain to subsume the ego for the group. Not so for the gals. They’d let the tribe starve if there wasn’t an assured payoff for them.

    Men, even loser men, love to see their team win. A good leader/manipulator can take advantage of this. Jason Belfort in the Wolf of Wall Street is a good representation of the type.

    Curle

    February 15, 2017 at 11:51 pm

  13. What sucks about work in every context is the co-workers. That’s what makes work a living hell. It used to be you worked to make a living to take care of a family. Nowadays, not many people have families so work becomes an extended family. It is expected that co-workers somehow become friends. This is even worse in a job where pay isn’t based on measurable production. It becomes like high school all over again. Who wouldn’t want to stay home and play video games?

    map

    February 16, 2017 at 12:18 am

    • No, you wouldn’t, because if you would, you lose the evolutionary battle. You are a loser. Every day, weather you hunt bison or fix steam boilers, you go out there to fight and struggle for your place under the sun. You procreate and you provide for your offspring. This is how you win the evolutionary battle and you do it by all means necessary, not by playing games, watching TV, or enjoying disability. Proliferation of this disease indicates a decline of civilization, nation, race. Darwin rules, never forget that.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 7:33 am

      • Yakov, societies are systems, they are not mass phenomena. This system was put in place to make life as difficult for people as possible. Those people are simply responding to those incentives by checking out, which, under the circumstances, is perfectly reasonable. They are neither responsible for Darwin, nor for Society. Since neither really gives a damn about them, the people will stop caring about Darwin or Society.

        If you want to go ahead and peacock and virtue-signal to others how well you can do despite the burdens structurally put on your shoulders, then that is your business. Remember, you openly outed yourself is a tax evader, which seems to be the only way that your work actually becomes profitable. Think on that for a moment.

        map

        February 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm

      • ‘Remember, you openly outed yourself is a tax evader, which seems to be the only way that your work actually becomes profitable. Think on that for a led being open about how this city moment.’

        ‘Outed’! Don’t make me laugh now. If I needed to be a headhunter to survive, I would be. This isn’t called ‘outing’, mate. It’s just being open about how this city lives. I do it for the benefit of the naive individuals like yourself. You should be appreciative. Check out the salaries being offered to qualified HVAC techs in this city. They aren’t too shabby for a college grad.

        Incidently, you had never stated that you would declare cash transactions yourself, despite being asked to do so several times. Are you gonna come clean?

        ‘If you want to go ahead and peacock and virtue-signal to others how well you can do despite the burdens structurally put on your shoulders. ‘

        I have this saying from my programming days, but it’s true universally: ‘Complainers will complain, and producers will produce’. Don’t let the circumstances define you or you will lose the evolutionary battle.

        Yakov

        February 16, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    • @map: What sucks about work in every context is the co-workers.

      Yes, this is true at my (mostly female) workplace. I really hate all of my coworkers and I certain they all hate one another as well. About 20+ years ago, the male senior execs hired females mid-level managers for their submissiveness and lack of threat. Then over time, a couple of these highly-educated females were able to get some hiring power and filled the place w/ barely competent females, and they all hate each other. And they all have multiple divorces and children w/ multiple men.

      @Hashed: when there is no incentive to get a wife or someone is divorced there is much less incentive to make money.

      True, and I think this lowered incentive to earn money stalled my own career and has me looking at early retirement for my mid-50s.

      E. Rekshun

      February 16, 2017 at 11:33 am

    • ‘This is even worse in a job where pay isn’t based on measurable production.’

      Your pay is based on you making your boss happy. The things that you need to max out on your compensation are:

      1. Excellent work related skills.
      2. Soft skills. You boss has to like you. Make it easy for him to deal with you. Don’t mistake this for being subservient, nothing of the kind. Be differential.
      3. Your boss needs to KNOW that you expect top compensation. Let him think that you are money hungry, even if you are not.

      This is how it worked in my 20 years on Wall Street and 10 years in the trade. These are universal rules. I’ve found American workplace fair. It rewards Darwinian skills. And this is a good thing.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      • Do you mean deferential?

        ScarletNumber

        February 17, 2017 at 8:20 pm

      • Obviously. I don’t correct spelling mistakes once they’ve posted, unless it’s absolutely necessary. I beleive people understand the meaning without me hogging the thread with corrections.

        Yakov

        February 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm

      • @Mad Hatter

        Listen Maddy and pay good attention. The scope of the discussion was declaring cash income for the purpose of paying taxes. With me so far? Good. Now, I’ve asked REPEATEDLY that those who would do it should state so. So far (surprise! surprise!) JS has been the only one to do so! Map, who loves slinging mud, has been conspicuously silent on the matter. So what’s your stand Maddy? Can you come clean or is JS the only honest man here?

        This, not declaring cash income that is, incidently is a universal phenomenon.

        Also, I just don’t get – Map complained about ‘structural burdens put on his shoulders’ whatever that is, but has a problem with avoiding taxes? Counterintuitive. This isn’t how you win and evolutionary battle, Map. This is how you become a Doddo. You are on the path to extinction.

        Yakov

        February 18, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    • Pretty funny to see a grifter parasite like yakov rail against people basically taking the same tack he does with regard to American society. “When those damn kids mooch off the taxpayer and contribute as little as possible, they’re nothing but losers. However, my own mooching off the taxpayer is just smart business sense. I’m so smart aren’t I?”

      Hopefully the trump administration will go after the yakov type immigrants first, and forcibly relieve them of their unpaid dues before shipping them back to whatever tragedy of the commons based culture they fled from.

      Mad hatter

      February 17, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      • @Mad Hatter

        Listen Maddy and pay good attention. The scope of the discussion was declaring cash income for the purpose of paying taxes. With me so far? Good. Now, I’ve asked REPEATEDLY that those who would do it should state so. So far (surprise! surprise!) JS has been the only one to do so! Map, who loves slinging mud, has been conspicuously silent on the matter. So what’s your stand Maddy? Can you come clean or is JS the only honest man here?

        This, not declaring cash income that is, incidently is a universal phenomenon.

        Also, I just don’t get – Map complained about ‘structural burdens put on his shoulders’ whatever that is, but has a problem with avoiding taxes? Counterintuitive. This isn’t how you win and evolutionary battle, Map. This is how you become a Doddo. You are on the path to extinction.

        Mad hatter on February 17, 201

        Yakov

        February 18, 2017 at 8:11 pm

  14. Also the sexual market. Most of the money men earn go to their wife, when there is no incentive to get a wife or someone is divorced there is much less incentive to make money.

    Hashed

    February 16, 2017 at 3:31 am

    • No, most of the money goes to the children, which is the next generation, the offspring, the future of the nation, race, civilization and you as an individual, NOT to the wife.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 7:35 am

    • ‘Yes, this is true at my (mostly female) workplace. I really hate all of my coworkers and I certain they all hate one another as well.’

      You guys are positively nuts! You are such losers, I can’t beleive it! Who hates coworkers? Why keep working with them? If you all hate each other you can’t produce and compete! How does your company stay in business? What hell hole are you working in? Or maybe the places are normal, it’s just that you are nuts?

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 8:44 pm

      • Enlightenment awaits:

        SteveRogers42

        February 17, 2017 at 12:35 am

  15. I wrote about the University of Chicago study that WaPo article is probably based on in September, where I raised the possibility that Trump creating jobs might mean less video game playing: http://seekingalpha.com/article/4004607-activision-blizzard-trump-insurance

    David Pinsen

    February 16, 2017 at 3:39 am

  16. They are not working, so what? Do you see any work that needs to be done?

    Why Capitalism Creates Pointless Jobs

    http://evonomics.com/why-capitalism-creates-pointless-jobs-david-graeber

    Zenit

    February 16, 2017 at 5:53 am

    • Yes, tons of important usefully work. If I had them as slaves or inmates, they would be busy working and forget what a computer or a cell phone look like.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 7:37 am

      • Problem is chump, you landed in decadent Americanski, where labor forces you!

        Fiddlesticks

        February 16, 2017 at 8:50 am

      • So labor is decadent now?

        Yakov

        February 16, 2017 at 9:58 am

    • There’s a lot of socially useful work that the government could pay people to do, rather than paying them to sit at home. Taking elderly people for walks, scraping chewing gum off sidewalks, planting flowers, and otherwise beautifying cities, tutoring kids, etc.

      David Pinsen

      February 17, 2017 at 1:08 am

  17. Work is to pay for the mortgage, bills, food etc. If you need stimulation thats what hobbies and vacation is for.

    Wt

    February 16, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    • Says who? I enjoy my work. Steam boilers, which I’m into right now, are beautiful machines. I love them. Maybe for Einstein or for a Neanderthal it’s nothing, but I’m in the middle, so for me it’s something. Like I keep telling you mates that to be happy you gotta find YOUR level in everything: work, marriage, etc… Stop all this Walter Mitty stuff already.

      Yakov

      February 16, 2017 at 8:31 pm

  18. Personally, i don’t understand this obsession with video games and social media. To me both of them taken in large doses are mindless diversions. I mean it’s not like these basement dwellers are doing something meaningful – like reading LOTB!

    At any rate, I have a friend whose son doesn’t work (at least not steadily.) In this case he lives in his grandparents’ basement, not his parents’. He had a girlfriend who just broke up with him after several years (a nice girl, not a shallow type or a single Mom type.) She said she couldn’t deal anymore with a boyfriend who seems determined not to hold a steady job. This young man is 27. He’s taken some civil service tests and scored well, but there’s a long waiting list for those jobs. His grandparents seem resigned to the situation. His grandfather jokes that he has “the life of Riley” because all he does most of the time is stay in his room with the TV and the computer. This young man is the product of a broken home, although his other siblings are all working. What’s surprising though, is that his grandparents allow this and are not too ashamed to joke about the situation. You think they’d insist that he at least get a part-time job, say at a fast-food restaurant.

    Maryk

    February 16, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    • This young man is 27.

      An acquaintance has a 37 year old unemployed son that gladly lives at home w/ his single mom and always has. The guy has almost never been employed. He’s intelligent, speaks well, and he, too, stays in his room w/ the TV and computer. His mom pays all the bills including the dude’s cigarettes. Absentee father.

      Another acquaintance lived at home all through college, got a decent good-paying blue collar trades job in a corporate 500 company in the nearby big city and never moved out. Got a brief loser girlfriend pregnant along the way. The girlfriend eventually gave up parental rights the guy raised her for over the past 20 years in his parents house. The parents both died w/i the last few years and the guy and his grown daughter just stayed in the house.

      E. Rekshun

      February 17, 2017 at 1:22 am

      • What is wrong with the second guy? He have job and child of his own, the whole family saved lots of money by living together. His parents lived in their old age with their son and granddaughter instead of being all alone, and I will bet they were all much happier than average Americans.

        Zenit

        February 17, 2017 at 3:03 pm

      • Women living with their parents isn’t much of an issue. The same cannot be said of men. No normal woman would date a post-college age guy living in his parents’ basement, even if it’s an apartment in a tony-Manhattan neighborhood.

        Culturally speaking, Southern European men residing with their parents’ isn’t a big deal at all. It’s somewhat of a problem among Northern Europeans, and it’s a major stigma for men in Anglosphere cesspools.

        JS

        February 17, 2017 at 11:35 pm

      • Family living together, 2,3 or more generations under one roof, was the norm for all human history, and still is in most parts of the world. Of all people, conservatives shall understand it.
        American idea of “independence”, that everyone is supposed to be “self sufficient” is about 60 years old, nothing “natural” or “normal” about it. It was workable for short time in the 1950’s, but this time is over and will not come back.

        Zenit

        February 18, 2017 at 2:40 am


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