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Milo Yiannopoulos video

The video is found on this page [link has been fixed].

For more context, here’s a link to an older YouTube video where Milo pretty much says the same thing (so his views were already out there).

This is the first time I’ve ever watched this guy speak. I have no idea where he came from all of a sudden or how he became a famous alt-righter (now called the new right because the MSM declared that alt-right=racist) without me being aware of who he is.

I think that Milo is telling us that among gay men, relations between adult men and teenage boys is a lot more commonplace than the gays normally let straight people know about. Milo has also stated the opinion that such relationships are often beneficial for the boys involved, because they benefit from an older gay teaching them the gay ropes and helping them feel good about their gayness. If it’s true that gay men commonly believe this, than Milo is doing us a service by pointing this out, and shooting the messenger won’t change that fact. It’s a message that won’t come from the liberal mainstream media which will never publish anything about gays that straight people would find icky.

Milo also has an opinion, and it’s an opinion that has been expressed here in the comments of my blog, that people become sexually mature before they turn 18 or some other arbitrary age-of-consent, and it’s not “pedophilia” if you are sexually attracted to sexually mature teenagers, whether you are attracted to male or female teenagers.

Milo is personally expressing an opinion. How can laws ever get changed for the better if people aren’t allowed to say they disagree with them the way they are? Milo has not admitted to violating any statutory rape laws as an adult.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 21, 2017 at 10:35 am

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  1. Milo latched onto Gamergate two and half years ago and then quickly became an “alt-righter”. Milo does not care about the thing that is making you upset, he just shows up to jump into the spotlight and promote his name. Gamers learned about Milo’s disgusting views back during gamergate. The media is late to the party on this one. Also, the media is doing the work of their enemies by removing Milo, no one likes him.

    NotWesley

    February 21, 2017 at 10:49 am

    • I like Milo. He is an opportunistic con man, but he’s done more to mainstream controversial facts about race and gender than pretty much anyone else. He also genuinely hates Islam and doesn’t make any distinction between “good Muslims” and “bad Muslims,” and he’s helping mainstream that, too. He’s more useful than not and he’s charming and funny. What’s happening to him sucks. It’s days like today that The Cathedral feels particularly real.

      Horace Pinker

      February 21, 2017 at 11:22 am

    • I like milo cause the left can’t stand him and he’s phenomenal at redirecting when they interview him.

      everybodyhatesscott

      February 21, 2017 at 11:23 am

      • I think what the left hates about Milo is that he’s basically every gay stereotype (which leftists consider good), except he attacks most left-wing positions with a sassy, acerbic gay attitude.

        Gay men know how to tear people up viciously but in a funny way. He’s better at ripping apart leftists better than anyone, so I enjoy watching his YouTube videos from time to time, though I don’t consider him to be a great font of wisdom or original ideas by any means.

        (I think Milo is less a rightist than an anti-leftist. This is why so many rightists are uneasy about him, but virtually all leftists absolutely loathe him.)

        Sid

        February 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm

    • Good points, NotWesley. Outside of internet comment boards, no conservatives like Milo nor would most Republicans consider him “conservative”. If you want to alienate evangelicals and blue collar mid-Westerners from the Trump coalition, by all means keep promoting Milo and his perversity.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 22, 2017 at 4:34 am

  2. The controversy comes into play where people argue the root cause of homosexuality. Some people liken it to vampirism, where if you get molested by a gay, you become gay. You’re “turned”. Hence why Milo’s comments are deemed inflammatory.

    Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

    February 21, 2017 at 10:51 am

    • That’s deeply simplistic. It’s more of “what role do early sexual experiences have on the development of sexual identity and attraction?” Before it became verboten to deviate from the “born that way” hypothesis, a lot of people postulated that early sexual abuse could lead to homosexuality.

      Half Canadian

      February 21, 2017 at 3:42 pm

      • There may be many paths to gay, but certainly early sexual abuse seems to be a leading cause.

        Mike Street Station

        February 22, 2017 at 6:20 am

  3. It’s important to know that Milo is absolutely not endorsing pedophilia, or attraction to prepubescent kids. But he is claiming to cool with what the law considers statutory rape, male edition. And that’s enough to (mostly) destroy his career. Already CPAC is out and his book deal scrapped.

    Dain

    February 21, 2017 at 11:27 am

    • CPAC was iffy about him anyway. There are a lot of religious conservatives involved with that that wanted him out before this latest bit came up.

      Frankly this sounds like a hit job. Some ambiguous comments were promoted and given the meme: Milo=Pedophile, and he suddenly he loses everything before he even gets a chance to defend himself. It reminds me of the hit on Trump last weekend about the “terrorist attack” in Sweden. Trump never said that, but all the media said he did. What matters if he straightens it out in a few days, the damage is done.

      Mike Street Station

      February 21, 2017 at 11:45 am

  4. The problem was that Milo was spilling the beans: Gay men really do value youth in their partners.

    In recent decades, gay men have done a solid job in covering this up. This is one reason why you see so many gay weddings between two middle aged men on TV. The basic message is, “We’re just like you and our lifestyles are identical, only we love people of the same sex rather than of the opposite sex.”

    In Victorian England, homosexuality was considered abominable because it was associated with pederasty and pedophilia. If the majority of straight people were to associate male homosexuality with pedophilia again, then tolerance for homosexuality will drop.

    This was also the sense I got out of Pizzagate: There’s been nothing that has persuaded me to believe there’s a massive, politically connected pedophile ring, but I have come away persuaded that lots of adult gay men would prefer for heterosexuals to not know the full depth of their sexual preferences.

    That said, while I think homosexuality is icky, I don’t care what gay people do in their private lives so long as it’s been consenting adults. While an exact age of consent is an arbitrary number, 16 seems like a reasonable number. Hence, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a gay 17 year old consenting to a relationship with a 29 year old man.

    Sid

    February 21, 2017 at 11:43 am

    • “This was also the sense I got out of Pizzagate: There’s been nothing that has persuaded me to believe there’s a massive, politically connected pedophile ring, but I have come away persuaded that lots of adult gay men would prefer for heterosexuals to not know the full depth of their sexual preferences.”

      Exactly!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 21, 2017 at 11:44 am

      • People used to know this stuff. Is it fair? Probably not to everyone but it might’ve stopped a few kids from being molested.

        everybodyhatesscott

        February 21, 2017 at 11:59 am

    • Everyone values youth in their partners. You can find dozens of examples on this very blog of men in their mid-40’s or older openly lusting over female celebrities in their early 20’s. This is not to pick on Lion or the commenters; I’m just pointing out that it’s a perfectly-normal human preference.

      snorlaxwp

      February 21, 2017 at 1:17 pm

      • Men do value youth in women. Younger women are more fertile and produce healthier children. Civilized cultures have acknowledged this fact but have placed limits on this preference. So a 45 year old dating a 25 year old is considered acceptable, but a 45 year old dating a 15 year old isn’t.

        What women find attractive in men varies a lot, so some women want younger men whereas others like older ones, though it’s rare for women to want men who are notably younger than them.

        It’s not surprising that gay men like younger men, as they’re still men. I expect that most gay men consider teenaged boys to be the most attractive. Again, it’s no one’s problem if a 45 year old gay man has a relationship with a 25 year old man, but it is a problem if it’s with a 15 year old.

        Milo’s case of a 29 year old dating a 17 year old gay “boy” is more ambiguous, and this is what Milo was talking about: it makes people uncomfortable to think about a grown man sleeping with a teenager, but Milo fondly remembered the relationship.

        Sid

        February 21, 2017 at 1:48 pm

      • Or 58 marrying 27 for Dennis Kucinich.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 21, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      • #DennisKucinichdidnothingwrong

        Maj

        February 21, 2017 at 6:09 pm

      • When my great grandfather’s first wife died, he remarried at age 50 to my great grandmother aged 20. They went on to have six kids.

        not too late

        February 21, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • My great uncle married a woman in her 50’s (3rd wife) when he was in his 90’s. I mean yeah there’s somewhat of a transactional side to it when you’re at those extremes but he was a pretty charismatic, popular guy, so there was a level of attraction as well.

        Jokah Macpherson

        February 21, 2017 at 10:23 pm

      • >>Or 58 marrying 27 for Dennis Kucinich.

        My grandfather was 55 when he married my grandmother who was 18.

        My grandfather was born in 1860. Old school. Old country.

        Daniel

        February 21, 2017 at 11:53 pm

      • President John Tyler married his second wife while in the White House, he was 52 and she was 22. He also sired more children than any other president, 15 in all. And he annexed Texas, pissed off Mexico, made John C. Calhoun his Sec. of State, was a solid Jeffersonian and limited government guy. He has two living grandsons, one living in Franklin, TN. He set an example for us all.

        Curle

        February 21, 2017 at 11:56 pm

    • > I don’t care what gay people do in their private lives so long as it’s been consenting adults

      The problem with this attitude is gays are a deadly serious disease vector. We are having problems with antibiotic resistant STDs and staph infections hitting the general population literally because of promiscuous sodomites in places like NYC and San Francisco. How many billions have we spent on HIV now when it is entirely a product of legalized buggery?

      bobbybobbob

      February 21, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      • Spot on.

        So is Milo’s fall really a victory for the left? Maybe not. They are, after all, the ones who want to (or have already) normalized gay behaviour in all its aspects.

        Milo’s embarrassing fall was as a result of him speaking the truth about gay men. They are (mostly) attracted to young men (sometimes boys). The awful truth is out.

        This is the culture that we want to have our children emulate? Should we really be telling our kids that everything about gay culture is hunky-dory? Normalizing it?

        Pedophilia is just the worst aspect, but the mental and physical health issues are huge as well.

        I’m all for live and let live, but maybe its time to drag this thing back to the closet where it belongs.

        gda

        February 21, 2017 at 4:49 pm

      • “The problem with this attitude is gays are a deadly serious disease vector.”

        I’m ambivalent about this. I agree that gay sex is far more disease-prone than male-female intercourse, and the extremely high numbers of partners gays have makes spreading diseases easier.

        That said, I still don’t know if actively discouraging homosexuality is the best way to address this, from a public health standpoint. It would be good if tolerance for homosexuality came with standards for proper homosexual conduct, such as keeping it to a handful of adult males.

        “Milo’s embarrassing fall was as a result of him speaking the truth about gay men. They are (mostly) attracted to young men (sometimes boys). The awful truth is out.”

        What the episode shows is that speaking honestly about homosexual desire will damage your career. The left will still maintain the narrative that homosexuality is indistinguishable from heterosexuality, aside from the choice of partners. It has worked and they’ll continue adhere to it.

        What I’m not sure is if the left will continue to push new “alternative lifestyles.” Salon.com was trying to push pedophilia acceptance in baby steps, but they deleted those old articles after the Milo incident. The left had tried to push transsexualism in 2011 with Chaz Bono and 2015 with Caitlyn Kardashian, but both of those attempts flopped because the celebrities they used to push transsexualism were unlikable whackos.

        And since the SJWs and the cucks castigated Milo on the pretext of defending children, it’s going to be a lot harder for them to defend expanding the age of consent for young gay teenagers or to get 5 year olds to undergo sex change operations.

        No, for now, LGBT issues are going to take a back seat. It will be Muslim, Hispanic, and Women’s issues the left will push for the next few years under Trump.

        Sid

        February 21, 2017 at 7:00 pm

      • “It would be good if tolerance for homosexuality came with standards for proper homosexual conduct, such as keeping it to a handful of adult males.”

        I strongly agree with this. Part of my aversion to the gay rights movement is sacralizing them and putting them above criticism. It would be nice if society was able to emphasize the “responsibility” side of marriage and say, alright, you can he the ring and tux and altar and all that but start promoting community norms about safe sex, etc. I mean it worked for cigarette smoking. But I don’t see this happening any time soon.

        As I’ve commented on Steve Sailer’s blog, for instance, it always bothered me that the gay general counsel in Philomela was presented as having a lifelong soul mate without drawing attention to that little troubling detail that one contracted AIDS and the other didn’t.

        Jokah Macpherson

        February 21, 2017 at 10:29 pm

      • “Salon.com was trying to push pedophilia acceptance in baby steps, but they deleted those old articles after the Milo incident”

        Did they really delete those articles? I remember Salon doing battlefield preparation to make pedophilia the next civil right, but it looks like Milo has delayed those plans.

        Mike Street Station

        February 22, 2017 at 6:25 am

  5. There’s a 2014 documentary about pederasts in Hollywood that’s been shelved after having a limited theatrical release. It’s called ‘An Open Secret’ and it was directed by Amy Berg, who was nominated for an Academy Award for another documentary she directed. You can find torrents for it and it’s occasionally on YouTube. Actually, it’s there now:

    A wide release of ‘An Open Secret’ would have ruined Bryan Singer’s (Usual Suspects/X-Men director) career, although there’s nothing to suggest that he did anything worse than befriend pederasts and attend parties where it wasn’t shocking to see naked teenage boys sitting on the laps of naked middle-aged gay men in hot tubs. It’s a disturbing and sad documentary.

    Anyway, I get the sense that this sort of thing isn’t exclusive to Hollywood and the gays do like to keep it quiet.

    Horace Pinker

    February 21, 2017 at 11:59 am

    • Brock Pierce, from the documentary, is now director of the Bitcoin Foundation.

      JW Bell

      February 21, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    • Just watched “An Open Secret”. It is shocking and disgusting. And the freaks in Hollyweird see fit to lecture the rest of us on morality.

      Rosenmops

      February 22, 2017 at 1:33 pm

  6. Your link is broken.

    jasonbayz

    February 21, 2017 at 12:32 pm

  7. Lena Dunham admitted to molesting her younger sister, and still has her own television show.

    Really makes you think…

    jjbees

    February 21, 2017 at 12:49 pm

  8. Gays have always been into creepy shit..like poz parties where they intentionally try to contract HIV. Or marathon meth orgies. Pederastry has always been widespread in the gay community. The left is terrified of Milo because he is honest about how perverted they are. The lib media always covers for them, like back in the 80s when they tried to say that AIDS was not a gay disease, when it obviously always has been.

    B.T.D.T.

    February 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm

  9. TuJ asked my opinion so….

    Milo was quite simply defending pederasty. That he had to stammer around it show that he knew he was approaching a very red line but the basic point of his remarks was approval.

    I’ve already written about what I have observed among gay men, that while true pedophilia is not a part of their mainstream, idealization of the gorgeous youth (pederasty), is, and where-ever gay men have been free to express themselves, institutionalized pederasty follow.

    But I don’t think Milo was talking about that. He was talking about frankly underage kids, and he was justifying it tortuously because doesn’t it lead to something good? A gay male adult. Milo has stated often that he wasn’t born gay, he chose it, and he’s happy for it. It strikes me that a lot of conservatives only listen to the parts of Milo’s act that they want to. What is conservative about this guy?

    Larry Kramer said the exact same thing as Milo in some book he wrote about the AIDs epidemic. I never read the book but I read the excerpts on the respectable cuck-conservative websites I used to read. He said exactly what Milo said, which leads me to believe Milo read the book himself. A lot of good it did conservatives to expose “the truth” about gay men. None whatever.

    The only point of disagreement I have with Lion is that gay men cover this up. I don’t think they do. Oh, they scream bloody murder when a straight person points this stuff out, but they are pretty open about it, as Kramer’s example shows.

    Of course I stand with Milo when he’s invited somewhere & thugs shut him down. That doesn’t mean I like him, or agree with him. Quite the opposite. I think that if he is allowed to speak, he will hang himself with his own words. Which is kind of what happened.

    CPAC was right to cancel him – but they never should have invited him in the first place. They look stupid.

    Simon & Schuster has covered itself in shame for canceling his contract.

    As to what gothamette thinks about the substance of Milo (and Larry Kramer’s) remarks, it’s self-serving gay male bullshit. I really don’t think I have to explain why.

    gothamette

    February 21, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    • “What is conservative about this guy?”

      He’s opposed to immigration and has a realistic view of Islam.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 21, 2017 at 1:07 pm

      • That’s not conservative. He’s against immigration and has a realistic view of Islam because he’s a gay libertine.

        gothamette

        February 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      • Lion, this is a good example on how to develop a set of principles and stick to them.

        Twitter is now blaming Milo on Trump supporters. Trump supporters are now responding with Lena Dunham molested her little sister tweets.

        This is so dumb. The issue should simply be whether or not Milo is allowed freedom of speech. To be associated with Milo in any way beyond that is to endorse his ideas.

        That’s the way it works. He’s not a conservative, Lion. He’s a degenerate who likes things the way they are, because he’s smart enough to realize that with enough Muslim immigration, he’ll be chased back into the closet.

        gothamette

        February 21, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      • That’s nativist, not conservative.

        Squish

        February 21, 2017 at 3:01 pm

      • But I don’t think Milo was talking about that. He was talking about frankly underage kids, and he was justifying it tortuously because doesn’t it lead to something good? A gay male adult. Milo has stated often that he wasn’t born gay, he chose it, and he’s happy for it. It strikes me that a lot of conservatives only listen to the parts of Milo’s act that they want to. What is conservative about this guy?

        I listened to the videos again and this was my impression, though after a second listen his defense of pederasty did not strike me as *quite* as clear cut as I thought it was yesterday.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 21, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      • He’s not a conservative, Lion. He’s a degenerate who likes things the way they are, because he’s smart enough to realize that with enough Muslim immigration, he’ll be chased back into the closet.

        The altright is as happy to see his predicament as the establishment “cucks”.

        As useful as his bombthrowing was I don’t see a way CPAC could have let his speech go ahead.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 21, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    • According to a recent testy conversation I had with a young lefty at a vegan donut shop, Milo is conservative because he directly threatens trans people with his “weaponized speech.”

      Dain

      February 21, 2017 at 1:48 pm

      • I don’t let vegan leftists make my definitions for me. If Milo is conservative, I’m Pocohontas.

        gothamette

        February 21, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • Gothamette,

        This is just like cuckservatives forming the circular firing squad whenever the left demands it. No right-winger should ever be thrown under the bus for insufficiently defending a morality the left does not believe in in the first place, especially if it results in a successful divide and conquer strategy within your own ranks.

        What makes Milo right-wing? The fact that he is shooting in the right direction…toward the left. He was a commando wreaking havoc behind enemy lines. That is all that mattered.

        We are facing a severe, existential crisis, where a hostile ruling class is importing political and economic ringers to elect itself a new people. We need all the allies that we can get. The best allies are those who bond with us over simple survival, of which Milo understands better than most gays. He knows that the immigration strategy will render gays a hated and oppressed minority if continued to its logical conclusion and he has no interest in being a left-wing shock trooper for his own demise.

        Recruiting these types is essential.

        map

        February 21, 2017 at 3:48 pm

      • Furthermore, he was not defending pederasty. He just did not want to go after the people that did things to him. That is a big difference.

        map

        February 21, 2017 at 3:50 pm

      • Yes, he did defend pederasty. Paraphrasing, but he basically said it can be a great coming-of-age experience for a boy. That’s when he stepped in it.

        Maj

        February 21, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      • @map,

        Shut up, please. He’s not conservative. Let him shoot at the Muslims, but he’s not a conservative. And don’t associate me with the cuck firing squad. Cucks adopt the ideology of the opposition. I’m saying I have my principles, and Milo doesn’t share them – at all. I defend his right to speak. That’s it. (A pretty big it, in these times.) I don’t stand with him or agree with him about anything. Including feminism! But that’s a different argument for a different time.

        He was indeed defending pederasty. In his press conference:

        http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/02/21/full-remarks-milo-delivers-speech-press-conference-amid-video-scandal/

        “I did say that there are relationships between younger men and older men that can help a young gay man escape from a lack of support or understanding at home. That’s perfectly true and every gay man knows it.”

        gothamette

        February 21, 2017 at 5:33 pm

      • Furthermore, he was not defending pederasty. He just did not want to go after the people that did things to him. That is a big difference.

        That’s obviously what he was suggesting despite trying to qualify sex with barely-teen boys to a certain degree.

        He really left CPAC with no choice but to can him. I do wish he could have remained at Breitbart.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 21, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      • Gothamette,

        “And don’t associate me with the cuck firing squad. Cucks adopt the ideology of the opposition. I’m saying I have my principles, and Milo doesn’t share them – at all.”

        Cucks enable the ideology of the opposition. Whether they do this by adoption of the enemy’s ideology or by preventing others from attacking the enemy, either is a distinction without a difference: “Muh principles” got an effective asset against the left removed from the chessboard.

        “Principles” are all well and good, but I want those principles to actually operate in the world, to have an effective hold in the public square and in our institutions. Currently, your principles, such as they are, just exist in a sandbox of the left’s creation, ready for some leftist to deploy against you, to make sure that you live up to your standards, at your expense.

        map

        February 21, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      • Map makes a good point. It was fine to argue about who or who wasn’t conservative in the 80’s when Conservatism as an ideology was ascendant. Now “Conservatism” is nearing the influence of libertarianism. So the best we can hope for is an anti-left coalition. Milo isn’t a conservative, and he said as much on Bill Maher’s show last week, but he is anti left, and that may be the best we can hope for.

        Mike Street Station

        February 22, 2017 at 6:51 am

      • Mike Street Station,

        Keep in mind, an anti-left coalition is a hugely beneficial thing at this moment. Leftists have gone off the deep end. They are effectively declaring a large minority of its members to be basically “unfit” for their new society, permanently at odds with each other. This is a golden opportunity.

        map

        February 22, 2017 at 10:01 pm

  10. It’ll be interesting to see what he says at his press conference today. Will anyone ask him the obvious question: “have you ever, as an adult, engaged in sexual acts with someone under the legal age of consent”? My guess is that he has, many times. But I wonder how he would answer that question in a formal setting. His future career may turn on it.

    Maj

    February 21, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    • If he has he’d be pretty stupid to deny it. Because his political views are unpopular in the gay world, the odds are pretty high that somebody would step forward, like that guy that got Ted Haggard.

      Richard

      February 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm

    • Milo told the truth.

      These days, that alone will sink you.

      The truth is now a crime.

      What is truth?

      not too late

      February 21, 2017 at 8:57 pm

      • “The truth is now a crime.”

        Making critical remarks against any designated victim group–even if the remarks are 100% true–is considered a major crime by the PC thought police in academia, the media and the corporate world. This is one of the fundamental ways that the left maintains power.

        Lewis Medlock

        February 22, 2017 at 11:34 am

  11. Milo just resigned from Breitbart. He says it was his own decision, although common sense would say he was forced out but was allowed to resign as a face-saving gesture.

    This feels like it could be the end for him. When he was kicked off Twitter he still had plenty of platforms, like Breitbart, so it wasn’t a hard fall. All those are gone now. Attempts to shut down his speeches got pushback because they were correctly seen as partisan foot-stamping, but now every venue has a completely non-political reason to deny him access.

    Without those speeches, there is no Milo phenomenon.

    Richard

    February 21, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    • Milo’s career will remain, and he may even continue to make a good deal of money. But his voice in the mainstream debate will be radically diminished. Kind of like what happened with Glenn Beck when he left/resigned/got fired/I forgot from Fox. His Blaze empire makes him a fortune, but he’s less relevant to the discussion.

      “Now every venue has a completely non-political reason to deny him access.”

      True. The left has been saying it’s not P.C. but basic decency that prevents him from being welcome in their quarters. That of course was bullshit. But now, not at all.

      Dain

      February 21, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    • I disagree. He still has the internet, he could start his own website and it would be self-sustaining at this point. He’s said that other publishers are interested in publishing his book. It’s hard to say no to free money.

      He hasn’t lost any supporters. Those people who are rushing to condemn him are those who were already before this looking for a reason to, people like Richard Spencer. I watched Spencer’s video and it became clear to me that what he wants is to be the king of the “alt-Right” hill, and he will be, but all the smart people will have fled from it.

      This is a lot like the tape of Trump. Everyone in the media, along with the cuckservative traitors, whined and whined about how “indefensible” it was, but his supporters don’t trust the media, went to the source, and didn’t see anything very objectionable.

      jasonbayz

      February 21, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    • Right, and I feel it’s sort of unfair because the left has no such qualms.

      Larry Kramer says the same thing about pederasty and he’s a hero to the left.

      Does anyone remember the Andrew Sullivan “Milky Loads” kerfuffle when he was still a “GayToryConservativeCatholic”?

      He made a tidy living out of combining his homosexuality with being a Tory Conservative, writing about friendship and fidelity, and someone (I think Mike Signorile) outed him as advertising on hard core gay websites. It was very embarrassing but he bounced back. Only a few years later did he turn completely coat and become a lefty. The conservatives covered his, er, ass.

      Just google “Andrew Sullivan milks loads” for a fuller description. Prepare to spit out your coffee so move the keyboard away!!

      gothamette

      February 21, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      • I got the sense from lefties on FB that they’re not especially happy about the WAY that Milo is sinking. I think I even detected some sympathy that he’s being misunderstood and called a pedophile.

        Having said that, no way will they let this opportunity to destroy an enemy go to waste, regardless of their deep-down feelings on this instance of a gay guy subjected to popular prejudice and misconceptions.

        Dain

        February 22, 2017 at 2:28 pm

      • I agree with you but I think the right way to seize this opportunity is to hammer the left on how they’ve normalized pederasty. Slap them in the face with their hypocrisy and double standards. Cite Larry Kramer. Polanski, etc.

        “wn feelings on this instance of a gay guy subjected to popular prejudice and misconceptions”

        What do you mean by that? Milo approves of age-discordant erotic relationships. He was very two-faced about his own sexual molestation. He seems to be grateful for it on the whole. He admits that it made him gay and he’s happy about that.

        gothamette

        February 22, 2017 at 4:24 pm

  12. I think Gothamette’s comments above are spot on.

    I’m surprised by the number of people actually defending these comments by Milo. Maybe it’s because of the word “pedophilia,” which people tend to associate with the very young – toddlers and the like. As Gothamette points out, “pederasty” is the better term, and pederasty involves boys and teenagers who are not fully sexually mature but are in a kind of in between status where they’re sort of overgrown boys. It’s clear that this is what Milo, and gay men more generally, refers to, rather than fully sexually mature teenagers who are indistinguishable from adult men.

    Tom

    February 21, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    • 90% of the ickiness that people have with the idea of messing around with minors comes from the mental image of a prepubescent child. Without the word “pedophilia,” most of what stings in this story goes away.

      “Pederasty? Huh?”

      Dain

      February 21, 2017 at 4:19 pm

      • You’re right that many people are unfamiliar with the term “pederasty.” Doesn’t mean that they don’t find what it refers to to be icky though. People do find Jerry Sandusky and ancient Greek style pederasty icky.

        Tom

        February 21, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    • He says he was referring to boys in the 15 to 18 year old age bracket. I believe him. Don’t see a problem either. There are plenty of 15 year old girls who are smoking hot.

      Look at a 15 year old Keira Knightley doing her thing in the straight to video 2000 film “The Hole”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnJW5FWg9oc

      Otis the Sweaty

      February 21, 2017 at 4:23 pm

      • He mentions that he was 13 years old, and when describing the Hollywood parties he went to, emphasized that the boys were especially young,

        The specific ages themselves are actually less relevant, since he’s talking about pederasty, not about 15 to 18 year old teenagers who resemble young men. He’s talking about teenagers who resemble boys.

        Tom

        February 21, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      • “There are plenty of 15 year old girls who are smoking hot.”

        That doesn’t make it OK to have sex with them. And it disgusting to even talk about. I worry about my granddaughters, and my grandsons too after watching “An Open Secret”.

        Fuck that shit. Child molesters should be taken out and shot.

        Rosenmops

        February 22, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    • Don’t see a problem either. There are plenty of 15 year old girls who are smoking hot.

      That’s not true of boys.

      Women mature sexually (and psychologically) faster because they have shorter fertility windows than men. A teen boy who is sexually active with an older man is probably more likely to have psychological problems.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 21, 2017 at 7:46 pm

  13. A lot of homos are sensitive and feel very isolated and alone in school. That’s why teen homos are 4 times more likely to attempt suicide and 8 times more likely if they come from a family that objects to it. So I think Milo makes a thoughtful point about a relationship with an older figure being a positive thing for some of them. I don’t, however, think he was endorsing pederasty. Rather, he was saying it wasn’t as clear cut as some make it out to be.

    I think this is a politically motivated witch hunt. The left hates Milo because he opposes their agenda. While the left may hate white men, they hate female and black conservatives more because they see them as traitors. They similarly hate Milo more because he’s gay and think he should be on their side. He’s a runaway slave who must be captured and punished lest other slaves get ideas.

    On the other hand, a lot of prudes and religious types can’t handle him being gay. Though his being flamboyant and saying things for shock value is probably too much for them I think his simply being gay was enough. I’m a fierce critic of the gay agenda. But their simply being gay was never an issue for me. I don’t really care what they do as long as they keep it quiet and contained to themselves.

    With people on both sides against him it was only a matter of time before he was brought down. I’m disappointed because he makes a lot of sense and I agree with most of what he says. Once again, the cuckservatives score an ‘own goal’ and too stupid to realize it.

    destructure

    February 21, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    • A lot of people who turned on him were vocal Alt-righters, including Richard Spencer and Bakedalaska, plus a bevy of relatively nameless shock troops.

      Honestly, the “alt-right” (which I’ll use here in its broader sense) is starting to feel like the People’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front in Monty Python’s Life of Brian brought to life. These people reject allies (remember the pitiful Seidel affair?) and waste no opportunity to pile onto rivals who are getting meat-hooked by left-wingers.

      Supposedly the alt-right having no recognized leaders is a great advantage, but I think it’s actually a hindrance. When the one guy everybody saw as a leader, Donald Trump, got into trouble with Pussygate and various other stuff, people circled the wagons for him because they knew if he was taken down the whole agenda he stood for would be destroyed. But nobody does that for anybody else. After all, there are no leaders here, so if one guy is taken out it doesn’t affect anything, but the upshot is that every guy who sticks his head above the ramparts to fire at the enemy gets taken out until there’s nobody left who’s worth anything.

      Worse, because there are no leaders, every guy with ambition thinks *he* could be the leader if enough other guys were bumped off, so you’ve got Spencer etc. trying to purge people out for this, that, and the other in hopes that they’ll someday inherit the troll’s kingdom.

      Richard

      February 22, 2017 at 11:37 am

      • “A lot of people who turned on him were vocal Alt-righters, including Richard Spencer and Bakedalaska, plus a bevy of relatively nameless shock troops. “

        Spencer is a clown in search of a circus. And the only Bakedalaska I know of is a desert. Look, there’s alt-right and then there’s alt-right. In the broad definition I use, I consider most who read Breitbart (as well as this blog) to be vaguely alt-right. And I figure most support Milo or at least see his value. Others, however, might limit the alt-right to a small, irrelevant and extreme fringe. And I’m sure those people always opposed Milo. But those don’t people represent a lot of anyone. Not least because there’s just not a lot of them.

        destructure

        February 22, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      • The rub is it’s not just cuckservatives who are siding with the left to shut him down; if it were then Milo would probably still be working at Breitbart. There are people on this very blog cheering Milo’s downfall.

        Richard

        February 22, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      • My impression is that the bulk of the criticism is coming from the NeverTrump factions.

        destructure

        February 22, 2017 at 8:05 pm

  14. This is a very sad day for what’s happened to Milo, quite possibly the most effective conservative voice in the US. People underestimate how important his wit and combatative style were in getting his important message across, especially when it came to taking on the high priests of the left, such as lesbians, feminists, lesbian/feminists, BLM, Muslims and immigrant advocates. As a flamboyant gay man and a half-Jew who professed to being attracted to black men, it was very difficult for lefties to label him a sexist pig, or an anti-Semite or a racist. He essentially had a force field around him that gave him the opportunity to go after real and actual evil-doers that exist in the world around us. The guy who worked behind the scenes to release Milo’s video clips is one Evan McMullin a 2016 Republican Presidential candidate, a Mormon and an associate of Mitt Romney. If someone knows how I can officially nominate Evan McMullin for scumbag of the year, please let me know.

    Roli

    February 21, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    • Exactly. Milo was a Jedi and the Empire was striking back. Egg McMuffin is truly a maggot,

      destructure

      February 21, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    • McMullin is CIA psyops scum. He will be purged in the great game.

      Good writtens. Fuck egghead mcmuffin.

      When do we get to lynch traitors to the republic?

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      February 21, 2017 at 11:26 pm

  15. I had never had any any encounters with homosexuality in the Soviet Union. But when I was living in Italy between the ages of 14-16, I had plenty while hitchhiking around. Nothing bad happened, guys just would make a pass at me, which I would refuse. I was a seasoned boxer (18-12) and physically stronger then any of them and wasn’t the least concerned. It was just weird. One fat guy started crying and begging me for sex and offering money, I didn’t feel like dirtying my hands on him so I let him be. So I think that making a polite pass was kinda OK on one hand, on the other hand they could totally rape a weaker kid. Considering the latter, I beleive that pedophiles should be killed. No quarter should be given to them. Gays belong in the closet. One kids life is more important then the lives of all pedophiles that had ever lived on this planet. But if they stay in the closet, we would only know about them when they get AIDS. It’s the best for everyone.

    Yakov

    February 21, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    • “I believe that pedophiles should be killed. No quarter should be given to them.”

      I agree. It gets them off the street and out of the gene pool. But it won’t happen very often, except for the occasional outraged parent who owns a gun.

      Glad you were able to defend yourself against these creeps.

      Rosenmops

      February 22, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      • I never needed to defend myself, because my obvious athletism was both an attraction and a protection. Just saying ‘no’ was sufficient, so I never had a personal bad expirience.

        Yakov

        February 22, 2017 at 7:13 pm

  16. Is that video Otis linked to even legal to watch? How is it not child pornography?

    CamelCaseRob

    February 21, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    • It appears to be a legit movie.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 22, 2017 at 12:18 am

    • ‘How is it not child pornography?’

      Because it must be art and therfore culture? Like people expressing themselves or something? I’m a prole, so I’m just guessing.

      Yakov

      February 22, 2017 at 7:18 am

  17. do people seem to think everybody who hates muslims=conservative? i don’t get it, given islam is a conservative belief system that operates outside of the confines of liberalism. its very unusual to see these ‘dark-enlightenment’ alt-right types who quote julius evola ad verbatim and preach for the present the abolition of feminism and parliamentary democracy froth at the mouth over islam’s percieved treatment of women, gays and sexual libertines.

    james n.s.w

    February 22, 2017 at 7:06 am

  18. i don’t get the conservative defense of Milo. I’ve seen a bit of his schtick, I appreciate his ability and willingness to humiliate liberals. But even when I liked what he was saying, his ‘i love bbc’ persona disgusted me.

    It was a hit job, he’s being held to a different standard than the liberals that said the same or similar things. But that doesn’t changed the fact that what he said on the video is pretty odious for any conservative, and parent, and anyone interested in preserving healthy childhoods for children.

    He’s being very precise in his language-ironically exploiting the ambiguity of his words. Is he defending pedophilia (no), but is defending pederasty (but exactly what does pederasty mean?). he argues that he would never defend pre-pubescent attraction (I went through puberty at twelve. Are twelve-year olds ok?). He draws one line at preteens (so 13 year olds are ok?), he suggests it is the. mid-late teens are ok (15 year olds and 30 year olds are ok?). It all adds up to us discussing different ages-the ambiguity I was talking about.

    No conservative or father is, or should, defend sex between 13 (or 15) year old and grown men. Whining about liberal bias isn’t going to change that fundamental fact. I suspect Milo’s 15 minutes are up.

    anonymous

    anon

    February 22, 2017 at 7:19 am

  19. gothamette

    February 22, 2017 at 8:45 am

    • Who would have thought even 8 months ago that Milo Yianapapoupolous would get an article in the New Yorker. The current year.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      February 22, 2017 at 11:13 am

      • He didn’t get an article in the New Yorker. His downfall did.

        I’m hoping that Milo comes out swinging (not both ways, LOL), and basically outs the entire gay world. Not one of the things he said is untrue. Most gay men think this way.

        Rod Dreher has some good stuff about this. If you can get past the usual Dreher blabbing, the posts are good, and he points out that Harvey Milk and a bunch of other gay icons were pederasts.

        Instead of defending the indefensible, this is a golden opportunity to point out the Trojan horse that was the gay rights movement.

        gothamette

        February 22, 2017 at 1:58 pm

  20. The Left will take this scalp as well, but I doubt they’ll continue to push the pedo angle as their own politics are too closely linked. Milo will be allowed to go quietly, more or less, after the initial kerfuffle.

    What gay alt-right former journo stigmatized with pedo does for a living from here on out is a mystery to me. His options are probably limited to something like truck driver or a gay host in Japan. Observing how quickly these guys can be utterly ruined is giving me a new respect for their courage.

    Milo played a unique role during the hyper-SJW Obama administration, in that he led the way for gay men to support the increasingly nationalist Right Wing.

    He made unique points in his relevant articles for such advocacy (much of it anti-Islamic but also pro-traditional marriage, anti-SJW white hate, and more or less for a pro-further right social perspective all while armoring himself in flamboyant inter-racial homosexuality). He was a prince of counter-signalling and a good and dutiful soldier. He really annoyed the piss out of the Left for a significant number of years.

    Milo was able to counter signal the left, as a gay white man, in ways that straight white men could not get away with in public discourse. For the time that he had a microphone, especially while he still had his Twitter account, he was a small but infected thorn in the side of the SJW temple.

    Bob

    February 22, 2017 at 11:11 pm


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