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Reminder: H-1Bs are NOT immigrants

Dictionary definition (as well as U.S. legal definition) of immigrant: “a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.”

The H-1B visa is for foreign workers in specialty occupations who will stay here for a maximum of 6 years and then go home.

Now in reality, because of lack immigration laws and loopholes, a lot of (nearly all of them?) H-1Bs come here assuming they will game the system and never leave, but they have no legal right to think that.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 28, 2017 at 5:49 pm

Posted in Immigration

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  1. Lots of people on H-1bs appear to be able to apply for green cards. I think their employer needs to sponsor them for the green card, but almost all of them get the green card here in silicon valley.

    Mike CA

    February 28, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    • Like I said, gaming the system.

      However, they don’t officially count as “immigrants” when the government counts such things.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 28, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      • H1b visa is considered dual intention. That they want to stay and apply 4 green cards is not held against them. No gaming there. But if a foreign student replies that he will stay after graduation then he can be denied entry.
        Btw I’ve been both.

        People who rant about how h1bs are paid 50% of what they make either overestimate their income or underestimate tech salaries. My ex h1b colleagues live in nice zip codes, send kids to excellent schools and although I don’t know what each makes safe to assume between 120k – 150k. In southern California. Hardly poverty wages.

        Wt

        March 1, 2017 at 12:49 pm

  2. I’ve seen discussion threads on hacker news filled with Indians who make it quite clear the main thing the Indians are after is the path to a green card. It’s not like with a lot of Hispanic illegals where the game plan is to make some money and then retire back home. The entire point of working in America for these Indians is ultimately getting the right to live in the US permanently and bring relatives over, not at all the salary.

    bobbybobbob

    February 28, 2017 at 6:30 pm

  3. Plenty and plenty of Irish, Chinese and Indian H-1Bs and other visa holders on stay with expiry documents in America.

    The key issue is HBD for H-1Bs. Another key issue is value…for higher functioning groups. There is no significant value of having many Chinese stay in America.

    Who cares if Irishmen overstay? It’s a big problem when we’re talking about non-whites!

    JS

    February 28, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    • You clearly haven’t seen ‘Gangs of New York’ 😂

      Raekwon

      February 28, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      • White nations and Whites fail miserably, when they become like America and its people — non-Western nations are inherently inferior in civic engagement and non-civic in 3rd world turd holes.

        JS

        February 28, 2017 at 9:30 pm

  4. What you say is partly true. It’s correct, that h1b is a temporary worker visa, but it’s also true that it’s one of the few worker visas that allows one to apply for a green card with the backing of the company. Other visas don’t allow for this possibility. A1 is a diplomat visa for example. You can work, but you can’t apply for a green card. F1 is a student visa that allows one to work afterwards (on OPT) and J1 is also a student visa, but the recipient can’t work afterwards and it’s very hard to switch from J1 to something else (it comes with the understanding that you should leave US after study) L1 is another worker visa, supposedly for managers, but many times gamed by some.

    The biggest loophole is actually the marriage loophole. No matter what your status is you can marry a citizen and get your green card very quickly and citizenship only 3 years later (it’s 5 years if you got your green card thru h1b). In NYC for 10k you can marry somebody and become American. (I’m sure it’s cheaper in other places) I bet most naturalized people got their green card thru marriage.

    Zack

    February 28, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    • America is a crappy country anyway. People who game the visa overstay aren’t Frenchmen, Spaniards, Italians, Germans, but the Irish, English, Australians and the legions of 3rd world cesspoolites, basically the Anglosphere is crap, and the Continental Europeans know it.

      JS

      February 28, 2017 at 8:18 pm

      • And from my encounters, non-Anglosphere Western Euros come to America and work for a satellite company owned by a foreign national from their home country, who make sure their own people are cared for with good benefits. So a French girl who is a sous chef works for a French Restaurant owned by a Frenchman. A Spaniard works for a Spanish Media company like El País with a branch in Manhattan, a Dutch lady works for Mentos – a marketing office in Manhattan that advertises candies to the American market and so forth…Anglosphere degenerates from the UK, Australia and Anglo Prole Canada work for American companies and get used up like serfs.

        JS

        February 28, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      • I am sure there are a ton of illegal Poles and Russians.

        ttgy

        February 28, 2017 at 9:13 pm

      • Eastern Euros are the lumprenproles and Anglo degenerates are the proles of the Western World.

        JS

        February 28, 2017 at 9:33 pm

      • As an Aussie I need to point out that though there may be exceptions, Aussies wanting to move to the US is not a common thing. Some may overstay visas through sheer stupidity and there may be exceptions, but wanting to live anywhere other than Oz is uncommon.

        onepercentergrl

        March 1, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      • Anglo Proles from Ozzie land love America, especially NYC and California. There are too many of them in our liberal centers.

        I don’t find many Spaniards and French folks wanting to live in America long term, and it’s not because of the language issue, but simply because of its culture.

        JS

        March 1, 2017 at 7:47 pm

      • I am so fed up with your idolisation of Spain JS. Spain today is the same shitty failed society that everyone wanted to leave in the 16th-17th century (laws were passed at that time in Spain because everyone wanted to escape that awful kingdom and live in the americas). Spain has roughly 50% unemployment for those under 30, 25% sales taxes (IVA), a billion different fees and taxes to support a huge and useless bureaucracy, and to top it all off it is impossible to move up socioeconomically as the same guys that own everything and run everything have been in charge forever, there is even a name for those people (la casta/the caste). Young people there cannot get any jobs and end up leaving to the “prole” UK to get shitty jobs as waiters and cooks in London and Manchester.
        Also, how can you claim everyone else is “prole” when half of Spanish media is devoted to gossiping and showbiz news (la prensa del corazon) and the rest is mostly chatter about how wonderful “La liga” is.

        D.Gonzalez

        March 2, 2017 at 2:53 am

      • Over this past summer, I met a midwestern prole from Indiana at a gathering in Manhattan, a meetup for philosophers…to make a long story short, this young man in his 20s, with a pot belly and thinning hair, was lucky to have a remotely attractive girlfriend, raved about how happy Spaniards are compared to his brethren in Indiana, Middle America, who were one of the main constituents of Donald Trump. It was his first time traveling outside to the United States, and he said he was amazed the number of unemployed Spanish youth who were happy despite being “poor”. You can’t say the same in America, when there are many people who significantly wealthier than you, despite being employed. It’s called a high gini coefficient – or stark income inequality. And Spain isn’t a 3rd world nation, it slightly better than the 2nd world.

        JS

        March 2, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      • * It was his first time traveling outside of the United States, and he was amazed at the number of unemployed Spanish youth who were happy despite being “poor”. You can’t say the same in America, when there are many people who are significantly wealthier than you, despite being employed. It’s called a high gini coefficient – or stark income inequality. And Spain isn’t a 3rd world nation, it slightly better than the 2nd world.

        JS

        March 2, 2017 at 9:36 pm

      • Spain is considered the most dynamic European Country. Not exactly 1st world, except for Barcelona and Madrid, but definitely above a 2nd world.

        In 2002, I ate sushi at a Japanese Restaurant in Andalusia, prepared by a Japanese chef and it was pretty good. And this was Spain in its dawn of modernity in the 21st century. Spaniards were beginning to join the global village. I hear that high end Spanish markets now carry Halal Spanish “ham”, the same way Whole Foods carry gluten free falafel and hummus.

        In terms of Southern Europe, Italy is now a defunct nation and Greece is a lost cause. Hellas is a backwater still reeling from the days of the Ottomans. Try finding a sushi in Italy or Greece, you would have to look very hard.

        JS

        March 5, 2017 at 4:50 pm

  5. For most visa categories the government may deny or revoke your VISA if they suspect you want to become an immigrant. This includes travel visa and student visa categories.

    However H1B visa holders are encouraged and allowed to pursue permanent immigrant status.

    Jimi

    February 28, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    • Thanks for knowing the difference. They call it “dual intent” in immigration speak. H1b falls in that category, F1 or J1 is not.

      Wt

      March 1, 2017 at 12:54 pm

  6. Stefan Molyneux has a show on this today.

    ttgy

    February 28, 2017 at 9:03 pm

  7. Foreign students don’t count as immigrants either. But many of them never go back. (At least in Canada.)

    Rosenmops

    February 28, 2017 at 10:56 pm

  8. Here’s an interesting article from the NYT (of all media outlets):

    An illegal immigrant’s journey into America leading to criminality then to self actualization as a top restaurant chef/owner when he returns home. He should be a role model to all illegal immigrants, learn your craft, go home and get fat with $$$. Adios and hasta la vista, señor!

    Yakov needs to pay tribute to him!

    JS

    March 1, 2017 at 5:30 pm


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