Lion of the Blogosphere

Why I don’t buy into the high fructose corn syrup scare

I remember back in the 1970s, before corn syrup became the primary sweetener used in commercial foods, the health food people said that fructose was healthier than cane sugar because fructose was a “natural” sugar found in fruits while cane sugar was evil processed sugar.

It’s only after mass production of corn syrup sweetener that the health food people started saying the opposite.

This is just a case of whatever seems to be the most “artificial” mass-produced food being picked on, even though all sugars are harvested from natural plants. For the same reason, soda is demonized over fruit juice because soda seems artificial and fruit juice seems natural, but they are both equally unhealthy (assuming that liquids loaded up with sugar are unhealthy).

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One of the most important things I learned from Paul Fussell is that sweet foods are prole, so I have made a conscious effort to eat less sweet food in order to be higher class.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 19, 2017 at 12:22 pm

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  1. there is almost no difference between sucrose (sugar) and HFC, sugar is converted in the body into HFC almost immediately, only the glucose/fructose ratio is sliiightly different

    bombexpert

    March 19, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    • I learned from Paul Fussell is that sweet foods are prole

      You know what’s prollier than that?

      Waiting for the soda/pastries etc to go on sale!

      Yes, I do that.

      Rifleman

      March 20, 2017 at 6:37 pm

      • There is a drugstore (or is that too prole? Should I call it the pharmacy?) here in NYC called Rite Aid that has the cheapest candy in the world. It’s disgusting. I really have to remember my social class when I go there.

        But today I started not eating exogenous sugar, per destructure. If he can do it, I can do it.

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 9:32 pm

  2. “…Paul Fussell is that sweet foods are prole, so I have made a conscious effort to eat less sweet food in order to be higher class”.

    A response to everything in America is prole. Well, it is, given that the fact that most Americans are sweet tooth addicts.

    It’s funny how I encountered a few Spanish youths in Manhattan last year at a cafe during an evening, and the baristas were offering free cookies and pastries to everyone and they turned it down. They just wanted hot tea for the evening. SweetCose consumption in Spain, pales in comparison to the United States. One rarely sees a grown adult licking ice cream in public, because that’s for kids. It’s also rare to see young people in droves voraciously buying sweet goods that one finds in America. Is it an economic or a cultural reason? I say it’s the latter.

    JS

    March 19, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    • Given Spain’s feeble sub-1.5 TFR since the mid 1980s, it’s “rare to see young people” there, period.

      Fiddlesticks

      March 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      • I think Spain has more young people than Germany.

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 4:34 pm

  3. HFCS is “just” sugar but the culturing of it is an abomination.

    When was the last time you heard of someone experiencing a caloric surplus because they had a bad habit of eating 20 apples per day?

    Socially Extinct

    March 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    • At 100 mostly-sugar calories per apples, that’s 2000 calories and a very unhealthy diet. I am sure that person would get fat (if they have a genetic tendency to get fat from eating 2000 sugar calories per day, which most people do).

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 19, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • Americans are more likely to consume baked goods than fruits for dessert.

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 1:21 pm

      • I doubt one could eat 100 apples a day. That’s so much fiber you’d be shitting like a goose.

        Eating apples is actually a great way to lose weight. One of the reasons people overeat is that it takes 30 minutes for your stomach to tell your brain it’s full. So if you eat an apple 30 minutes before every meal then you don’t eat as much. Also, since it’s mostly fiber and water it doesn’t add that many calories. That’s one of the reasons starting every meal with a salad is so smart. Not only do you get nutrition and fiber from the fruits and vegetables but you eat less of the main course which is generally much higher in calories.

        Start eating an apple or salad before every meal and I guarantee you’ll lose weight.

        destructure

        March 19, 2017 at 3:38 pm

      • I love apples but they don’t stay fresh enough long enough for my tastes (oranges are better in this regard) and I can’t stand soft apples.

        Curle

        March 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      • You mates are seriously crazy. If a body wants apples, you give it apples. It may want 3 or 4, but that’s about it. What idiot is gonna eat 20 or a 100 apples? Detox and let your body guide you. That’s what I do. No agonizing and no guilt. I tell it (my body that is): ‘ You wanna meat? Here take meat! You wanna banana? Here take two bananas! Just take what you need and leave me alone to focus on important things.’ And it does. Same goes for sex, by the way. Of course you have to guide it somewhat and you do it with detox and rational thinking, but you let the body talk and you listen to it. This is pretty simple, not very simple, but pretty simple.

        Yakov

        March 19, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      • 2000 calories a day is 2000 calories a day – not much. Regardless of what foods those calories are derived from, it would be barely enough for the body to break even. You wouldn’t get fat. If anything, you’d lose a lot of weight.

        Trust me, there are plenty of people who exclusively eat fruit, some of them eating far more calories on a daily basis than 2000. They all look like they just came home from the gulag.

        Stealth

        March 19, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      • Curle — I keep apples and oranges in the fridge and they stay fresh for weeks. I tried putting bananas in the fridge but they turn nasty. Just don’t buy more than you can eat in a dew days. And if they get mushy just make banana nut bread or banana pudding.

        destructure

        March 20, 2017 at 3:05 pm

      • You buy green bananas and eat them as they ripen. Never put them in the fridge. Also, try yellow plantain. It has to go black before it’s good to eat. Let it rot and theneat it. Nice.

        Yakov

        March 20, 2017 at 3:24 pm

      • ” And if they get mushy just make banana nut bread or banana pudding.”

        @destructure – do you ever eat that sort of stuff? Not trolling here, just want some guidance. I am on day #3 o No Sugar (added, I mean, I eat fruit). So, do you eat home-baked goods? These are certainly healthier than store bought junk, but they can be just as calorific.

        PS a good use of overripe bananas is freeze them, and then put them in the food processor, or blender, in pieces. Instant ice cream. It really is good.

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    • People are fat because of increased intake of fats and oils, especially vegetable oils like soy, and overall increased caloric surplus. As a proportion of calories, fats have increased while sugars haven’t changed. You can’t blame the obesity epidemic on sweet stuff. The data simply doesn’t fit.

      Starch is actually slightly more fattening than sugar. Fructose blunts the insulin response because tissues can directly use most of the fructose in sucrose or HFCS. Pasta and rice and potatoes produce a surge of blood glucose and a corresponding insulin spike.

      Having a couple HFCS based cokes/pepsis a day and sugared coffee as part of a calorie counting diet is actually a pretty good way to lose weight. Very easy to track exactly how much you’re eating while still keeping your tissues fueled up and metabolism high. It’s the stuff that’s surprisingly loaded with high calorie oils, like donuts and all the fried stuff at restaurants for examples, that really do people in for weight gain.

      bobbybobbob

      March 19, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      • A high fat diet is healthy only if it is complemented by low carb and especially low sugar diet. Problem with sugar and carbs is that they don’t fill you up. You can gobble down a bag of chips, box of cookies, or pint of ice cream.

        Try doing that with cheese or meat. You’ll be full very quickly. That’s cause fat fills you up in a way carbs don’t.

        Yes you’ll lose weight if you drink 2 cokes a day but have a calorie deficit. But that is hard to do! Easier to eat less if you fill up on meats and vegetables.

        Jimi

        March 19, 2017 at 4:10 pm

      • Yep. But acknowledging that most of the fat on our bodies was eaten as fat is too much for most people to bare. If the government really wanted to improve public health, one of the first things they should do is tell people to eat less vegetable oil.

        Stealth

        March 19, 2017 at 9:57 pm

      • too much to BEAR. Shit…..

        Stealth

        March 19, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    • Eating 20 apples a day will lead to diarrhea. Can be a dangerous diet if you did for many days.

      Jimi

      March 19, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    • I used to go on apple diets back in the day. I was passing wind 24/7.

      Curle

      March 19, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    • Right – T. Colin Campbell wrote some good stuff about nutrition about this. I’m not vegan but I found his take enlightening. He’s not against sugar per se – but he is against eating sugar in forms where you don’t get the good stuff.

      When you eat an apple, you are eating a little sugar suspended in a nutritious matrix of fiber and water, with vitamins and minerals thrown in. When you eat dried apples, you are eating the same thing without the water, and your blood sugars will go up more quickly. When you eat an apple pie, sorry, you are eating a ton of fat, lots more refined carbs, and all the good of the apple is pretty much lost.

      gothamette

      March 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

  4. If you are not eating intuitively, you probably have a mental illness.

    My Two Cents

    March 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm

  5. ‘One of the most important things I learned from Paul Fussell is that sweet foods are prole, so I have made a conscious effort to eat less sweet food in order to be higher class.’

    Do you think high class people are making a conscious effort to avoid sugar? You know, copying high class behavior doesn’t make you high class. You are just trolling. Go to the gym or to the park, it’s a beautiful day out. Hurry, catch it while you can.

    Yakov

    March 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm

  6. Hipster coffee shops have a lot of sweet baked goods and I guess hipsters are supposed to be higher class in terms of taste, if not wealth. Even if the baked goods are organic, sugar is sugar.

    Jokah Macpherson

    March 19, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    • They use organic cane sugar instead of the run in the mill prole powder for sweeteners to baking.

      JS

      March 19, 2017 at 4:49 pm

  7. Food is a lot like women in that underneath all the complexity, the pleasure derived is largely determined by just a handful of things. In the case of food, those things being fat, sugar, and salt.

    Jokah Macpherson

    March 19, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    • Food and women are biological instincts. A hungry man will consulate and eat intuitively. This is very simple. Neither of the acts make any sense without a religious context. Thus is why wise men don’t eat in public and never talk about women.

      Yakov

      March 19, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      • Religion existed at the beginning of mankind?

        Curle

        March 19, 2017 at 4:37 pm

      • When was the beginning if mankind? What’s religion? Loaded questions, but I think no matter how you define it, it did.

        Yakov

        March 20, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    • Like women your pleasure is determined by how much status is bestowed on the food by the rest of society.

      Magnavox

      March 19, 2017 at 2:57 pm

  8. Are Vienna and Copenhagen places where ‘proles’ go to visit?

    Dave

    March 19, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    • Do they have Madame Tussaud’s, haunted house attractions or river cruises? Then yes.

      snorlaxwp

      March 20, 2017 at 12:09 am

    • I live in Vienna. And no, prole Americans don’t make it here. Most of the American tourists are older and interested in classical music and art. We have lots of local proles, and plenty of prole immigrants, but not many prole visitors of any nationality. Also the pastries and cakes in Vienna are really overrated.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 20, 2017 at 5:33 am

      • I heard that the pastries in Budapest are awesome. That true?

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      • Next they are going to tell me that the Danish aren’t any good in Denmark.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm

      • Well here I am to tell you they don’t even have Danish pastries in Denmark!

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm

  9. Western Countries that consume the most sugar are the Anglo Prole nations and a few Northern Continentals. United Prole States rank #1 with the most sugar intake.

    JS

    March 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    • How do you keep up this weird and highly misinformed shtick week after week? I have some difficulty believing you’ve ever traveled much overseas. Are you an NYC prole in denial?

      bobbybobbob

      March 19, 2017 at 2:04 pm

      • It’s quite common for americans who travel abroad to constantly talk about how inferior the US to every other developed country.

        Magnavox

        March 19, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      • Magnavox — Only the liberals. It’s part of the liberal psychology to hate their own.

        destructure

        March 19, 2017 at 3:44 pm

      • I used to be a NYC prole living out in Astor Place with a subsidized 1 br apartment.

        Misinformed? How about you not being informed!

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 4:21 pm

      • But your comments are often very annoying JS.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      • I know.

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      • JS is like the LOTB court jester.

        Gozo

        March 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      • destructure — it’s liberals of all stripes, not only those who travel abroad. How often does Bernie Sanders travel abroad?

        Hermes

        March 19, 2017 at 7:48 pm

      • When Bernie travels abroad, it’s to the Soviet Union. No, not to see Red Square or the Hermitage. Yaroslavl.

        He was impressed by their limited deodorant selection.

        snorlaxwp

        March 19, 2017 at 11:42 pm

      • “It’s quite common for americans who travel abroad to constantly talk about how inferior the US to every other developed country.”

        Meanwhile I picked up the opposite lesson

        Mike Street Station

        March 20, 2017 at 7:50 am

      • JS is like the LOTB court jester.

        The jester isn’t supposed to annoy the king.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 3:33 pm

      • Meanwhile I picked up the opposite lesson

        That lesson goes up against a lot of objective data but ultimately ends up relying on subjective criteria.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      • “That lesson goes up against a lot of objective data”

        Actually it doesn’t and I’ll give you an example. It’s common knowledge that American education lags far behind other developed countries. The objective data from PISA scores makes this undeniable right? Not really.

        If you break America into it’s demographic components you’ll see that each scores at or near the top compared to their counterparts overseas. This is true for Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics and Blacks. It’s just that Hispanics and Blacks, while scoring higher than Hispanics and Blacks overseas score lower than most developed countries and drag the US average down. So other countries are better because they don’t have NAMs. But you’ll never hear those liberals who badmouth America admit that!

        destructure

        March 20, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      • “Magnavox — Only the liberals. It’s part of the liberal psychology to hate their own.”

        Traveling out of the US made me a ranting, raving patriot. I mean the ranting, raving literally.

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    • I believe JS has admitted to being Canadian. I wish Lion would stop approving his comments. His “everything in America is prole, all the time” act has long since gotten old.

      Hermes

      March 19, 2017 at 3:45 pm

      • I think Lion is already proving my point with his foodie posts. Americans consume the most sugar and most Americans eat junk food.

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm

      • I like that Lion is (as far as I can tell) generous about approving comments, even if they are disagreeable.

        Gozo

        March 19, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    • Exactly. HFCS is metabolized by the liver. Contributes to hyperinsulemia. Ingestion of HFCS and regular consumption of processed flours and other carbohydrates are why those who eat this way — the typical western diet –suffer from epidemic levels of Type 2 diabetes. The Lion is plain ignorant on this subject.

      DiverCity

      March 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm

      • Edit: hyperinsulinemia

        DiverCity

        March 19, 2017 at 3:45 pm

  10. “so I have made a conscious effort to eat less sweet food in order to be higher class.”

    You’re joking, right?

    I haven’t eaten candy, cake, cookies, ice cream, soda or juice in several years. I don’t even think I have any granulated sugar or syrup in the house. But social class is the last thing on my mind when it comes to food. My only consideration is whether something is healthy.

    destructure

    March 19, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    • “But social class is the last thing on my mind when it comes to food. My only consideration is whether something is healthy.”

      That’s so SWPL to think of food like that. Prole’s only consideration is if it’s cheap and they enjoy eating it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 19, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      • SWPLs eat all kinds of things that are unhealthy. It’s called artisanal or refined junk food. They also like to order their food with fancy names on the menu.

        But seriously, a place like Manhattan which is coveted by SWPLs and proles alike, is there any class distinctions in America anymore? What really defines people is their form of hedonism. Proles are all about carnal and visceral pleasures.

        JS

        March 19, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      • Do SWPLs hunt, too? Because I get my groceries with a 30-06.

        destructure

        March 19, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      • Cabbage shot with a .30-06 kinda sucks to eat (ditto potatoes).

        Some Guy

        March 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

      • SWPLs eat all kinds of things that are unhealthy. It’s called artisanal or refined junk food. They also like to order their food with fancy names on the menu.

        But it’s small, expensive portions. The kinds of things people savor in their mouth instead of shoveling in.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      • Some Guy — Don’t be ridiculous. Everyone knows that small game like cabbage and taters is best taken with 22lr.

        destructure

        March 20, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    • “I haven’t eaten candy, cake, cookies, ice cream, soda or juice in several years.”

      How do you do that?

      Soda I drink rarely. I think the last time I drank soda was eight years ago, when I took a very long walk on the beach at Sandy Hook island in NJ and nearly died.

      But all the rest….well….I do eat them. Did you ever eat them? If so how did you stop?

      gothamette

      March 19, 2017 at 6:42 pm

      • If so how did you stop?

        Great question! Damn if sugar isn’t my one vice – I looooove it. Although a couple of years ago I was overseas in [SWPL travel destination] and I developed a taste for hot chocolate with slightly bitter cocoa, and man that was good stuff, which I’ve tried to replicate at home but not quite succeeded.

        SJ, Esquire (formerly Samson J).

        March 19, 2017 at 8:20 pm

      • Are you hypoglycemic?

        Stealth

        March 19, 2017 at 10:07 pm

      • Where is MaryK? Are you out there?

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      • I’m like Destruct, in that ice cream, cookies, candy, donuts etc. have no pull over me whatsoever. I’d love to see the sex breakdown for this type of person – I’d bet it’s 20-1 male. Soft drinks I gave up completely in the early ’90’s, when I just got disgusted with feeling bloated all the time. Since I began drinking iced tea exclusively, I hardly ever belch or pass gas. I also seldom have to eat lunch, because I eat tuna or chicken salad for breakfast. I use red onions, green onions, red cabbage and yellow peppers. Have to be willing to be viewed as a weirdo though. Office people look askance at those who don’t do lunch.

        Mel Belli

        March 19, 2017 at 10:17 pm

      • “I’d love to see the sex breakdown for this type of person – I’d bet it’s 20-1 male. ”

        More like 2-1.

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 12:59 pm

      • “and I developed a taste for hot chocolate with slightly bitter cocoa, and man that was good stuff, which I’ve tried to replicate at home but not quite succeeded.”

        Cooks Illustrated home hot chocolate recipe is good. Just put all this into a food processor and whoosh it up. 1/4 cup mix per cup of warm milk, but you should whisk it for a couple of minutes while it heats in a pan. You might want to cut the sugar back a bit if you want it more bitter.

        1 cup (7 ounces) sugar
        6 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped fine
        1 cup (3 ounces) unsweetened cocoa powder
        1/2 cup (1 1/2 ounces) nonfat dry milk powder
        5 teaspoons cornstarch
        1 teaspoon vanilla extract
        3/4 teaspoon kosher salt

        peterike

        March 20, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      • Did you ever eat them? If so how did you stop?

        Of course I ate them. I quit after my cholesterol came back at 240. I was very young and didn’t want to take drugs the rest of my life. So I found a book called The 8 Week Cholesterol Cure. I did what it said and retested at 160. As a side effect, I lost 20 pounds. Not that I was overweight.

        Now my diet is basically a Mediterranean diet with some ideas from The 8 Week Cholesterol Cure. I’m not following a strict plan. I just know what I’m supposed to eat and not. Obviously, I eat some things with sugar and processed flour, etc. It’s nearly impossible not to. But my diet consists mostly of whole food. I’m not into all that organic, sustainable, locally grown, ethically raised hippy crap. We just buy basic foods in their natural, unprocessed state and prepare them ourselves. That’s how people used to eat.

        I have a lot of discipline but do backslide on occasion. When I fall off the wagon I just climb back on and keep going. I don’t really crave junk food. But if it’s there and I start then I overdo it. So we just don’t buy it any more. Problem solved.

        The stereotype is for women to eat salads and men to eat meat and potatoes. But Mel Belli is right. It’s mostly men who either lack the cravings or have the willpower to eat the way we do. I just looked it up and studies show that it is genetic. With 70% of men and nearly 100% of women having food cravings.

        destructure

        March 20, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      • I’ll look up that book, thanks.

        Re sex differences in food preferences, see:

        http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/147470490900700409

        See p. 8 (608); both sexes like honey the most; but men like meat more than berries. Women like berries more than meat.

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 6:19 pm

      • It appears that this blog has gotten more nihilistic or darker, and MaryK is probably depressed that proles are on the verge of…in this kind of environment. I see a total implosion of America on the horizon, or at least a specific demographic becoming the fall guys with dire consequences for the mess we’ve created.

        JS

        March 20, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      • Lion, I’m getting sick of JS.

        JMO.

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 1:36 pm

      • “I have a lot of discipline but do backslide on occasion. When I fall off the wagon I just climb back on and keep going”

        That is key.

        Mike Street Station

        March 21, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • It is key – I lost 25 pounds once that way. But I gained 10 of it back. As of today, day 4 of my no-sugar routine, I’ve lost 2 of those 10 pounds.

        gothamette

        March 22, 2017 at 1:45 pm

      • As of today, day 4 of my no-sugar routine, I’ve lost 2 of those 10 pounds.”

        That’s not bad.

        Mike Street Station

        March 22, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      • Thanks. I can’t believe I’ve gone this long w/out eating something sweet, apart from a banana. destructure aroused my competitive instincts. If he can do it, I can do it.

        So there, destructure.

        gothamette

        March 22, 2017 at 10:15 pm

  11. “I have made a conscious effort to eat less sweet food in order to be higher class.”

    Hopefully your recent ketchup experience has taught you to stop doing this. When it comes to most things in life, but when it comes to food in particular, you should always ask yourself “what would President Trump do?” and then you should do just that. And then you should blog about it.

    Horace Pinker

    March 19, 2017 at 3:28 pm

  12. Nutrition advice is all over the map, but clearly we are doing something wrong. Modern Americans look TERRIBLE compared to people photographed in public places in the past. We also look terrible compared to continental Europeans and Asians.

    And we don’t just look awful…

    SQ

    March 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    • It could be the food or what Americans call GMO that causes mutations and other unattractive transformations. I noticed a prevalence of American women with raspy voices among the millennial generation.

      JS

      March 19, 2017 at 8:05 pm

      • I’ve also noticed the raspy voices among millennial women. Perhaps it’s due to increased pot smoking or a side effect of HPV infections in the throat?

        Derek Cthulhu

        March 20, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    • Rising white death rates is a feature, not a bug, for globalists. Not only is it a feature, it’s quite deliberate.

      peterike

      March 20, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    • Michael Pollen summed up the best current advice thusly: Eat [traditional, natural] food. Mostly plants. Not too much.

      Magnavox

      March 20, 2017 at 3:37 pm

      • Traditionally, people ate a lot of meat.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      • By eat foods he means don’t eat stuff created by scientists in lab coats but instead food prepared in traditional ways. The eating mostly plants is a separate piece of advice.

        And traditional diets vary widely.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      • Pollan also says that High Fructose Corn Syrup is not bad in itself but is a marker of foods manufactured with modern methods that should be avoided.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 5:08 pm

      • Lion, You are plumb wrong about traditional diets. People traditionally ate mostly complex carbohydrates in the form of a staple grain, with meat and whatever fresh veg/fruit they could muster. They are even rethinking the Paleo meat heavy diet.

        gothamette

        March 20, 2017 at 9:40 pm

      • Bread is OK to eat again? No way!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm

      • Yes, but not Wonderbread.

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      • My favorite desert is bread pudding. Plenty of starch, sugar and diary, just goodie poisons for the body, but good for the soul.

        JS

        March 20, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    • so can we conclude that the messianic focus on the smoking rate is unhelpful?

      It kind of seems like people just take up other habits which are more harmful. The country’s BMI pretty much tracks the smoking rate in an inverse relationship.

      All things which cannot be noticed.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      March 20, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      • Smoking is a lot more harmful than being fat. There’s a very strong link between smoking and lung cancer which is a painful and expensive disease, not a good way to die.

        The link between being overweight and dying earlier, we are not even certain that it exists.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2017 at 4:52 pm

      • a. check your information on it being expensive. In general (* ie this is not about your aunt) dying from smoking caused heart disease is fast. Lung cancer itself is relatively fast too. Being a non-smoker and taking 10 years to die in a nursing is much more expensive and I am betting the quality of life is horrible.

        b. once again why do we assume that smoking cessation to come with no trade off? I think it quiet likely that people have simply take up substitute vices.

        The smoking rate is lower than ever- so how is the life expectancy going down???

        Lion o' the Turambar

        March 20, 2017 at 5:59 pm

      • Being fat is very bad for you. The data can get screwy if you use BMI because sick people tend to have low muscle mass and low BMI when 30% body fat. If you use waist-to-hip ratio, which captures muscle mass vs. fat, it is one of the most powerful predictors of health. Furthermore, being “fit but fat” is not much good. Adiposity itself just totally screws up the endocrine system.

        The dangers of smoking are overblown. There are so many holes in the standard story. Lung and other cancer rates have gone right on marching upward with zero relation to major declines in smoking, and never had strong correlations in the first place. They ways they control for socio-economic status invalidate most population studies. Animal experiments repeatedly fail to demonstrate tobacco smoke increasing the death rate. I wouldn’t suggest smoking, but it was fingered as a primary cause for increasing cancer and heart disease rates when with decades more data we now know that can’t be the case.

        bobbybobbob

        March 20, 2017 at 7:17 pm

      • Jesus Christ. I don’t have time to go into how bad smoking is. I really do have better things to do. But even if you don’t believe all the bad stuff (which is true) no one has ever doubted that smoking cuts down on your breathing capacity. Long before all the studies piled up people called cigs “coffin pegs.”

        My father was a thin, active guy who smoked a lot. His leanness and constant activity trumped many of the ill effects of smoking. But it caught up with him and he ended up chained to an oxygen tank due to emphysema. That meant that when he retired, he was forced to be sedentary – which led to a host of ills, which killed him.

        Smoking killed him. You may not get lung cancer, but cigs will do something else to you. Coffin pegs. Don’t smoke.

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      • Still not the point.

        If “smoking kills” then explain why the smoking rate is lower than ever but death rate is creeping up.

        Lion of the Turambar

        March 22, 2017 at 8:19 am

  13. Almost nobody reading this was brought up in a healthy way, with respect to food, but then again the average life expectancy even for people with bad eating habits is still pretty high. That being said, life is a lot better if you eat well and according to your own system, not according to someone else’s. Some of us should not ever be eating refined sugar and for some of us it makes no difference. If you don’t have the advantage of growing up in a culture where you were taught to eat in a way that makes you strong and as energetic as you need to be you will have to experiment because your prole family or second-rate culture did not bother to teach you what you need to know. Maybe you should experiment by dropping sugar for a week (if you are female, five weeks, so that the cycle of menstruation does not confuse the results) and see if you feel better. If you do, moderate your intake of sugar going forward. As Kate Moss said, nothing tastes as good as not being overweight feels. For me, I found that completely dropping pork and multiple servings of wheat (Bagels at breakfasts – sandwiches at lunch – rolls with supper – cake or cookies for dessert) made me feel much better. For someone else it might be dairy, it might be salt – even salty greens – it might be spices it might even be something seemingly good like rice or beer or fish. Everyone is different there is no website that can tell you more than you can learn by figuring these things out for yourself. Some of us would be healthier exchanging an after meal mint for an after meal cigarette, others turn green or worse from tobacco. Use common sense, don’t over-indulge, and don’t under-indulge.

    howitzer daniel

    March 19, 2017 at 4:51 pm

  14. The corn syrup scare is passe. Now we have “added sugars.” Our betters in government and food science have decided that sugar naturally occurring in food is fine, but “added sugar” is a major health concern. New labeling actually requires a breakout between the healthful natural and deadly added sugars.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/20/why-the-sugar-industry-hates-the-fdas-new-nutrition-facts-label/?utm_term=.2bd7b4faa4a9

    steve@steve.com

    March 19, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    • It’s like watching an addict gradually realizing that the substance they are addicted to is actually bad for them. Except in extreme slow motion played out over decades and affecting millions of people.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      March 19, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    • That’s actually not a terrible idea. You have to think about these things from the perspective of the left half of the Bell Curve, who a) don’t and can’t understand counting calories and carbs, and b) think Sunny Delight is orange juice.

      snorlaxwp

      March 19, 2017 at 11:49 pm

      • Right. 8oz of Orange juice has 25g of healthful “natural sugar”, while Sunny Delight has 14g of deadly man-made “added sugar”. Thank Gaia the FDA is stepping in.

        steve@steve.com

        March 20, 2017 at 9:57 pm

      • “8oz of Orange juice has 25g of healthful ‘natural sugar'”

        And in the form of fructose too! But fructose is healthy as long as it’s natural fructose and not fructose artificially removed from corn.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2017 at 10:07 pm

      • It appears they reformulated it a couple years ago with aspartame replacing most of the sugar. When I was a kid, at its peak popularity, it was 32g per 8oz. Anyway, I could have just as easily said Orange Crush or whatever.

        snorlaxwp

        March 22, 2017 at 11:02 pm

  15. Asians don’t have the obesity problems as a race that other races do, and they don’t eat much sugar at all. If anything, their diets are a bit too high in salt. It might be genetics. Some people actually don’t derive satisfaction from sugar, and things can be “too sweet.”

    Bilbo Baggins

    March 19, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    • Baloney. Go read yelp reviews, and you’ll find plenty of East Asian “SWPLsheeps” raving about their SugarCose dose.

      JS

      March 19, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    • Asians are mostly skinny but the ones who do get fat quickly approach the wider-than-they-are-tall milestone.

      snorlaxwp

      March 19, 2017 at 11:51 pm

    • Asians are quickly getting fatter, just like the rest of the post-industrial world.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 20, 2017 at 5:35 am

      • Right & apparently have a worse propensity towards developing diabetes, esp. South Asians.

        gothamette

        March 21, 2017 at 3:03 pm

  16. 1) HFCS is a marker for calorie dense processed food which facilitates and drives overeating
    2) Stephan Guyenet’s recent book The Hungry Brain is a good update on what drives overeating and obesity
    3) There is a lot of questionable medical and nutrition information online and for some reason, we don’t seem good at sorting out the evidence

    R P

    March 19, 2017 at 6:06 pm

  17. Like most everything, body mass index is primarily genetic.

    I don’t worry too much about my weight or my diet, knowing I will end up a comfortable average of my two parents.

    It is easier to live a long and happy life with half an hour of cardiovascular exercise and by not smoking than it is to worry oneself to death over these things.

    But then again…worrying oneself to death is a genetic predisposition anyways.

    Nothing to be done! Yo-yo dieters, fat proles, slim and toned SWPLs… born and not made!

    jjbees

    March 19, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    • An extra 40 calories per day * 365 days per year * 10 years = 146,000 calories / 3500 calories per pound of fat = 42 POUNDS OF FAT

      Hahahah, the gods laugh at puny mortals attempts to understand their own physiology.

      jjbees

      March 19, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    • BS. People are way fatter than they were just 25-30 years ago.

      snorlaxwp

      March 20, 2017 at 12:04 am

      • And the absolute and relative IQs of different groups also change over time. People need to get over this retard genetic determinism.

        Which isn’t to say there’s not a significant genetic component to IQ and obesity.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2017 at 5:01 pm

  18. Lion,

    This is OT but the stories are right up your alley.

    Money woes and IQ are related. Don’t people realize they are going to have to pay those credit cards bills??

    Also get a load of the fat bisexual millennial snowflake who thinks she’s going to change Colorado Springs.

    gothamette

    March 19, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    • No photos of ugly and fat black ladies or small central americanos?

      Vincent

      March 20, 2017 at 3:26 am

  19. The danger of any sugar is that its delicious. Do you have self-control? Because most people don’t. The deleterious health effects of Corn Syrup are that its damn sweet, tastes good and CHEAP. Even welfare queens can buy enough high fructose corn syrup to increase their average body mass from Hippopotamus to Land Whale. Why should you care? Go ahead and don’t. But the Medicaid they use for diabetes and heart disease is taken out of your paychecks before you cash it.
    Its not social responsibility you need. What you need is ENLIGHTENED SELF-INTEREST. You may not care about other people, but you’re probably paying for it in taxes.

    Joshua Sinistar

    March 19, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    • You also have to look at people. It’s really no fun being surrounded by ugliness.

      Magnavox

      March 20, 2017 at 4:59 pm

  20. Be like Trump, the most successful/powerful man in the world. Eat prole.

    GondwanaMan

    March 20, 2017 at 4:52 am

  21. I feel sorry for the very heavily overweight people that I see around and about nowadays. When I was a kid, there might be a few chubby people around, but nothing like the very obese today.

    Yankee

    March 20, 2017 at 10:17 am

    • Really. There was maybe a fat kid or two in my grammar school class (1960s) and sure enough they’d get called Tubby or whatever. I’m guessing now half the school could be called Tubby.

      peterike

      March 20, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      • That’s interesting, I too was in grammar school in the ’60’s. I only recall one tremendously obese kid, when we lived in a town that became famous when its catchy jingle made the national airwaves (I bet you can guess). I dont recall anyone ever making fun of him, but he was anxious to show all of us his microscopic penis. Man, was it tiny. I never thought about him until I saw Orson Welles on the Carson show around 1980. Robert Blake was making fun of him and Welles said, “yes, I’m fat and you’re ugly, but I can diet.”

        Mel Belli

        March 20, 2017 at 8:32 pm

  22. Lately I’ve developed an addiction to honey flavoured Greek yogurt, Greek God’s brand. I tell myself it’s healthy but know full-well its not. The stuff is like crack.

    roli

    March 20, 2017 at 1:13 pm

  23. Intermittent fasting (16-24 hours or more) is also very good for you. Helps with weight control, insulin levels, and cell repair. And I think it’s just good impulse control. No, you DON’T have to satisfy that hunger craving right away. Man up and wait.

    peterike

    March 20, 2017 at 1:18 pm

  24. But isn’t wanting to be high class prole in itself?

    It’s like a hipster version of alpha, class!

    guest

    March 20, 2017 at 3:33 pm

  25. All this talk of food health reminds me of Bane Outtakes.

    destructure

    March 20, 2017 at 3:41 pm

  26. A wise king is not disturbed by the Jester.

    S1mulacrum

    March 25, 2017 at 4:45 am


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