Lion of the Blogosphere

Lion says Trump is right, WaPo wrong

The Washington Post thinks they caught Trump speaking an untruth again. Trump said that most people don’t know Lincoln was a Republican. The Post responds ha ha you are wrong a poll shows that 55% of people knew that.

But since the poll seems to only have had three choice (Republican, Democrat, don’t know), we can be sure that some of the people merely guessed that Lincoln was a Republican and they didn’t get the correct answer because they actually knew the correct answer. Surely less than 50% actually knew that Lincoln was a Republican. So Trump is right, the Washington Post is wrong.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 22, 2017 at 3:35 pm

Posted in Education

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  1. Didn’t you say you were ready to throw Trump under the bus if it turns out he was bullshitting with his wire tapping tweets? It looks like he was. He was definitely basing the tweets on either infowars style websites or completely top secret intelligence that noone is spilling and that he shouldn’t have disclosed.

    Magnavox

    March 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    • Magnavox

      March 22, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    • Trump is smarter than you are. By a lot. That’s why things aren’t making sense to you.

      Andrew E.

      March 22, 2017 at 6:06 pm

      • He’s certainly more successful but I don’t think he’s much smarter. And I never said he wasn’t making sense.

        Magnavox

        March 22, 2017 at 7:15 pm

      • destructure

        March 23, 2017 at 1:18 am

      • There is no evidence Trump is smart at all. In fact he has been successful probably because he is kind of stupid, certainly a poor reader, and that has inoculated him against a lot of the ideology of the Cathedral that most high IQ people absorb during their education.

        Peter Akuleyev

        March 23, 2017 at 7:11 am

      • There is no evidence Trump is smart at all.

        I know it deeply pains you that a man with Trump’s hair and personality is more intelligent and successful than you are but it’s still the truth.

        Andrew E.

        March 23, 2017 at 9:25 am

      • Trump did go to Wharton, but he’s not as smart as Obama, not is Trump in any way intellectually curious. He was only interested in making money, and then becoming famous.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 23, 2017 at 9:42 am

      • Trump is much more intelligent than Obama. And more intellectually curious. Obama is lazy.

        Andrew E.

        March 23, 2017 at 10:20 am

      • Fagnavox is a stupid insult and theconservativetreehouse is a stupid person’s website. Not sure what you think you’re proving.

        Magnavox

        March 23, 2017 at 4:28 pm

      • Trump just relentlessly contradicts anything negative said about him with absolutely no regard for his credibility. This works very well for him and he’s one of the few high profile people to do it so people assume it means he’s some kind of genius. But a lot of it is just that he’s much more shameless than everyone else, not that he’s so much smarter.

        Magnavox

        March 23, 2017 at 4:33 pm

      • No. It’s funny. And theconservativetreehouse gets a lot of stuff right when others don’t. Do you know why? Because the MSM are leftwing propagandists and everyone knows it, So Trump fighting back and giving them the finger creates a credibility of its own. I trust Trump more simply because he’s willing to do it.

        destructure

        March 24, 2017 at 9:31 am

  2. The press is really pathetic in their ceaseless “gotcha” attempts, when half the time it’s just them using an obtuse literalness.

    Anyway, Republicans should repudiate Lincoln because he was a murdering tyrant and the Lincoln memorial should be dynamited, and the ruins labeled “what he did to the nation.” But that’s just me.

    peterike

    March 22, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    • The press is really pathetic in their ceaseless “gotcha” attempts, when half the time it’s just them using an obtuse literalness.

      And the other half of the time he’s genuinely full of shit.

      I agree that Lincoln is the worst president in history. And it’s completely ridiculous for Republicans to say that since Lincoln was republican and Republicans used be the party that advocated more for blacks that black people should be voting for them now. And it’s even more ridiculous for whites to think that advocating for blacks and against white interests is any kind of a good thing.

      Magnavox

      March 22, 2017 at 7:18 pm

      • Lincoln was the most hip Republican, or maybe Teddy was, but after that it was all downhill for Republican hipness.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 22, 2017 at 7:21 pm

      • Cuckservatives love to point out that Lincoln was a Republican. It’s one of their chief strategies for proving that Democrats are the real racists.

        Hermes

        March 22, 2017 at 9:20 pm

      • Democrats were the racist party up until FDR/Truman.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 22, 2017 at 11:03 pm

      • Democrats are still the racist party. They just switched targets.

        destructure

        March 23, 2017 at 10:18 am

    • But Muh Union

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      March 22, 2017 at 10:44 pm

  3. Using 55% in an effort to discredit Trump is lame in and of itself

    ScarletNumber

    March 22, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  4. So the Washington Post had a poll to back up their assertion that most people do know Lincoln was a Republican, but you are disputing the accuracy of the poll. It’s fair to dispute the accuracy of the poll, but what was the basis of Trump’s statement in the first place?

    We all should have figured out by now that Trump is a bullshitter, which is different than a liar. Trump just says things. He doesn’t care whether they are true or not. He only cares whether the statement has the intended effect. Trump just wants to look like a winner and he want his opponents look like losers. Trump will say anything without regard for the truth as long as it makes him look like a winner or his opponents like a losers.

    We now have a president who governs with total disregard for what is fact and what is fantasy.

    mikeca

    March 22, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    • Lion would have been making a really interesting and convincing argument if “don’t know” hadn’t been one of the answer choices.

      Magnavox

      March 22, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    • Lion would have been making a really interesting and convincing argument if “don’t know” hadn’t been one of the answer choices.

      Why?

      Choosing “Don’t know” is as much proof the respondent doesn’t know the answer as choosing “Democrat”.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      March 22, 2017 at 7:31 pm

      • He said that a significant percentage of people guessed republican rather than saying I don’t know and that without those guesses less than 50% of people would have said Republican and that therefore most people actually don’t know that Lincoln was republican.

        Magnavox

        March 22, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      • and that therefore most people actually don’t know that Lincoln was republican.

        Which makes the Lion correct.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        March 22, 2017 at 11:44 pm

      • Not unless you assume that people who didn’t know didn’t just respond don’t know but instead guessed Republican. Steve@steve.com gave an intelligent argument for that. Lion and you didn’t.

        Magnavox

        March 23, 2017 at 4:29 pm

      • There’s a difference between knowing you don’t know and not knowing you don’t now. Donald Rumsfeld gave a famous riff on this.

        Magnavox

        March 23, 2017 at 4:31 pm

  5. OK, he was right. No matter. WaPo is still hell bent on destroying his presidency, and Trump appears to be playing along.

    gothamette

    March 22, 2017 at 5:07 pm

  6. That’s an incredibly dumb thing to go all “Factcheck” on.

    Meanwhile, still no fact check on if Obama successfully lowered the ocean level.

    Mike Street Station

    March 22, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    • Well he did “stop the oceans from rising,” because they weren’t rising in the first place.

      peterike

      March 22, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    • It’s amusing to me how the media acts as if people care about “fact checking.” I don’t think there was ever a time when most people ever respected “fact checking.” By 2012 it was clear that most “fact checking” was extremely slanted interpretations against Republicans, in the guise of being impartial and objective. By 2016, rightists laughed at how the media was in a fuss over “Four Pinocchios!”

      Sid

      March 22, 2017 at 8:55 pm

  7. What is it with the Left and this gotcha stuff? It isn’t helping them and they know it isn’t helping them. Yet they keep doing it and are shocked when it doesn’t work.

    Otis the Sweaty

    March 22, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    • It does help them with a certain constituency. It feeds the anti-Trumps their talking points. Which is what it’s for. Now, if you stumble across an anti-Trump in your social circle, they can say, “Hur hur hur! That idiot Drumpf thinks people don’t know Lincoln was a Republican, hur hur hur!”

      Which is the point. Just like for how many years did people say “Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house, hur hur hur!” This is mockery via megaphone. They feed this stuff to millions at a time, and those people regurgitate it, and it intimidates people who would support Trump but don’t feel they know enough, or are just intimidated by peer pressure. That’s what the whole Trump/Russia fake news is about, too.

      peterike

      March 22, 2017 at 8:33 pm

  8. The Washington Post has become SO BAD since Bezos took over. It’s appalling.

    Two in the Bush

    March 22, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    • I’ve been trying to wean myself off of Amazon products and services. The problem is that Amazon Prime is so damn convenient, especially when you’re a poor grad student like me who doesn’t own a car where he’s studying. I know I should buy from brick and mortar retailers, but it’s far more inconvenient than just ordering off of Prime and waiting a couple of days.

      The other thing is that other Silicon Valley megacorps are at least as PC and SJW as Amazon. Google is notorious for pretending most American inventors were black, for example. If I throw out my Amazon Echo for a Google Home, what good is that? Apple isn’t as bad as Amazon or Google, but Tim Cook is a flagrant example of someone with SJW hypocritical logic, where he’ll boycott Indiana over some law about gay rights while opening shops in Saudi Arabia. Microsoft is about as bad as Apple too.

      Sid

      March 22, 2017 at 9:10 pm

      • Tim Cook is a flagrant example of someone with SJW hypocritical logic, where he’ll boycott Indiana over some law about gay rights while opening shops in Saudi Arabia.

        I don’t particularly care for Cook (except to the extent Apple is as you say the least SJW tech major), but he didn’t say he was boycotting Indiana; that was a lie made up by Erick Erickson.

        snorlax

        March 24, 2017 at 10:09 am

      • Fair enough, but the larger point of how he publicly criticizes Indiana while setting up shop in Saudi Arabia still stands.

        Sid

        March 24, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    • Bezo’s did have an immediate effect on the editing and content of the Post. Instead of trying to be the New York Times, it’s now trying to be Think Progress.

      Mike Street Station

      March 23, 2017 at 9:41 am

  9. Modern liberal propaganda most often depends on lying through omission. This way, you can’t accuse them of fabricating facts. They simply only include whatever they need to shape the negative space around their sculpted narrative, and leave everything else out. Of course, this occurs constantly in regard to their reporting around their Trump target, but I thought that the most startling instances of this technique, in recent memory, came from the M. Brown. and T. Martin events.

    Dave

    March 22, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    • They also lie by insinuation. That way, on the most technical grounds possible, they can claim they didn’t say what you clearly heard them say. Presuming the establishment doesn’t completely fabricate something to pin on President Trump, all of the things he and his administration are being accused of will turn out to be completely bogus. But almost every liberal who is presently celebrating the government’s efforts to destroy Trump will totally deny that they were wrong, because “I didn’t say he was a Russian agent, I said we need to find out if…”

      Stealth

      March 22, 2017 at 6:59 pm

  10. Lion: is Kelly McGonical hot enough for you to convert to Scientology for? She seems like your type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BXuZL1HAg&t=1258s

    Otis the Sweaty

    March 22, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    • She looks like some crazy illogical person.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    • She looks like some crazy illogical person.

      Wisdom is the Lion’s catnip.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      March 22, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    • Got news for you: you can drive down the main drag in Mill Valley, CA and see ten women who look just like her. They tend to say “fuck” a lot.

      Marty

      March 22, 2017 at 8:44 pm

  11. With only 3 options, 33% would have chosen Republican even if it was totally random. But I figure a lot of people would rather guess than admit they don’t know. And since there are only two parties the percentage who got it right by guessing would be even higher. With only 55% choosing Republican, the percentage who really knew it must have been very low.

    destructure

    March 22, 2017 at 6:27 pm

  12. I am going to award this to Lion but

    a. how is this even a valid subject for a WaPo soft Fact Check? And they are claiming victory over 55%? If they want to be fair about it the actual Pew report indicates that most people under 30 dont know that Lincoln was a Republican (48% right). So if Trumps point is that *currently* that isnt being publicized he is right.
    http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/11/what-the-public-knows-about-the-political-parties/

    b. Trump brings this on himself with his self inflicted wounds. He could call out the press on their misstatements but he constantly makes his own

    c. The comments at WaPo are for more damning that Trumps statement. But once again they cant be capitalized on.

    SawndraK
    2:15 PM EST
    Yeah, well, most people don’t know Trump is a human!
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    fineline
    2:47 PM EST
    Republicans are a sub-species at best, by virtue of their defining trait; flawless absence of capacity for embarrassment… that makes them easy to distinguishing from dogs.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    March 22, 2017 at 6:38 pm

  13. Most people don’t know Millard Fillmore was a Whig.

    Jokah Macpherson

    March 22, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    • Even I would have had to guess at that! But I know that Henry Clay was a whig.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      • The initials “HC” have been the Buffalo Bills/Minnesota Vikings of running for president of the U.S.

        Jokah Macpherson

        March 22, 2017 at 8:19 pm

  14. Let
    p = Portion who actually knew the answer. Assume they answered correctly.
    g = Portion of know-nots who guessed, assume guesses are 50% Rep, 50% Dem.

    Add in the the data…
    Republican = p + 1/2 (1-p) g = 55%
    Democrat = 1/2 (1-p) g = 27%
    Don’t know = (1-p)(1-g) = 18%

    Solving yields:
    g = 75%
    p=28%

    Only 28% actually knew the answer.
    Of the 72% who didn’t know, 75% guessed.
    Trump wins again!

    steve@steve.com

    March 22, 2017 at 6:49 pm

  15. Who cares. Lincoln wasn’t a modern Republican. Pre 1950s parties are completely different from what they are today.

    Kaz

    March 22, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    • Very true. If it were 1955 I’d be a Democrat.

      peterike

      March 22, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    • You’re right it’s ridiculous for modern republicans to get credit or blame for what Lincoln did. But I suspect the biggest effect here is just that people are incredibly ignorant of history, which is a genuinely bad thing. I would like to see the numbers for other presidents.

      Magnavox

      March 22, 2017 at 9:00 pm

  16. JS, do you have anything to say about this?

    Stealth

    March 22, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    • It’s surreal or burlesque. Trump is a clown. Too bad, we live in boring America, or else, we’ll have people writing about circus pimps.

      JS

      March 22, 2017 at 11:15 pm

      • What boring America? Trump is the most entertaining president we’d ever had.
        Meanwhile my Tajik’s is driving without a license, when is Trump gonna take care of this problem?

        Yakov

        March 23, 2017 at 8:11 am

      • What about guys like you who evade taxes?

        JS

        March 23, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      • Pot calling a kettle black, lol! What about it? Look, I don’t remember any of Fenimore Cooper’s or Jack London’s heroes paying taxes. You want me to hand my money over to the government when I don’t have to? Who in their right mind does that? I told you a million times that the cost of living has by far outpaced income. It’s all Darwin out there, so stop beating the dead horse.

        Yakov

        March 23, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      • Do you expect Trump & Co will do your bidding for free?

        ICE agents storming into homes of illegals cost money. Who will be paying for their salaries?

        JS

        March 23, 2017 at 10:01 pm

      • This whole ICE agency can be financed with the confiscated assets of the illegals. Illegals should be building the wall and paying for their own deportation. This is very simple.

        Yakov

        March 24, 2017 at 8:08 am

      • Guys like you need to be on the radar…you pay no taxes, at least some illegals paid, but you don’t!

        JS

        March 24, 2017 at 6:58 pm

  17. Sorry, OT, but should a spinach salad have stems? I just ordered one in a SF restaurant and seems to me they should pluck the stems.

    Quoted at CH

    March 22, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    • How much was the salad? This is gonna be funny.

      Yakov

      March 23, 2017 at 8:08 am

    • Depends. Baby spinach, yes to stems. Bigger spinach, if the stems are too fibrous and chewy, they should have been trimmed.

      But in San Fran, cutting the stems would make you an anti-stemite.

      peterike

      March 23, 2017 at 9:28 am

  18. The math is really simple if 18% szy they dont know, pure guess would be 41% each. As R is 55, it means that at least 14% knew and at most 55%. If you average both possibilities to guesstimate, it means that 35% of people knew Lincoln is a Republican.
    I am appaled by the studidity of peoples comment on WaPo.

    Bruno from Paris

    March 23, 2017 at 10:55 am

  19. JS, stop slicing baloney already. This is an evolutionary struggle and when you are, say, a rabbit and you worry too much about a wolf going hungry, you get eaten. This is very simple. You are conflating all these artubutes of civilization with evolutionary survival of an individual. On the level of evolutionary survival Darwin is the one that rules and not the US tax code. This is very simple.

    Say you and me are stuck somewhere in wilderness with no food and all we have is this sausage or maybe two sausages, are you gonna share with me or not? Are you gonna grab the sausages and kill me to drink my blood? What are you gonna do?

    Look, this is a total comedy already. There are tens of millions that don’t have health care in this country. So what should a little creature do: pay his taxes or get healthcare? Only an organism that is unfit for survival can chose the former. This is so simple that I don’t know why I’m even writing it.

    Yakov

    March 24, 2017 at 7:27 am

    • No, you’re full of baloney.

      You bring up Darwinism. Your mode of thinking is no different from the illegals who come to this country, who are in survival mode. The only difference is that you have a legal presence in America. They need to revoke your status. You have no HVAC license and you skirt the tax laws.

      JS

      March 24, 2017 at 7:01 pm


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