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Criticism of religion (including Islam) is a criticism of ideas

I found the following reader comment at a Salon.com article :

Criticism of religion is a criticism of ideas. Religion is not an indelible attribute like skin color or sexual orientation. At some point a person chooses to accept a set of ideas. And some of these ideas are bad. It is perfectly valid for a person to say, “I do not want people who hold these bad ideas living in my community.” That is not bigotry. It is critical thinking.

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Commenter Gilbert Ratchet has the correct answer:

You’re wrong, of course. Criticism of CHRISTIANITY, being the historic religion of the majority of Americans, is criticism of an idea and needs to be encouraged. Criticism of anything else (e.g. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Jainism, or Hinduism), being minority faiths in the US, is criticism of an identity and absolutely forbidden.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 26, 2017 at 11:07 am

Posted in Religion

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  1. Way better than the vid game posts. Video games are daytime TV for men.

    The goal of Islam is to make slaves out of its followers.

    McFly

    March 26, 2017 at 11:36 am

    • WELL,Well,well, American Capitalism has done exactly that.

      How’s America working out for ya?

      Most of your fellas around you are like walking zombies.

      JS

      March 26, 2017 at 8:46 pm

      • Anyone who has an inkling of Islamic history know very well that Islam was the 1st multiculti entity before Meriprolestan. An empire that stretched from Spain into ChinaStan, and everyone spoke Arabic and understood religion and business were the same. One could make a case that America is the New Islam.

        JS

        March 26, 2017 at 8:50 pm

      • There are like walking zombies not because of their jobs, but because of the contemporary mass culture. Work is great! I mean, it obviously depends on you, if you are a sour puss, yeah nothing will ever be good for you. Apples to apples America is clearly the best place on earth. This is so simple that I don’t know why I’m even saying it.

        Yakov

        March 26, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      • Yakov, I think you need to get me a job patting smelly tar on the roads and sidewalks in Manhattan.

        JS

        March 27, 2017 at 12:06 am

      • ‘One could make a case that America is the New Islam.’

        Go ahead, make it.

        Yakov

        March 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm

  2. What’s wrong with wanting to live among your own race or nation? It’s perfectly fine to want to preserve your culture. Only a nation on the way to extinction doesn’t do it. The illegals caught at the border should be savaged, stripped of all their possessions and send butt naked to where they came from. It’s the question if survival. There is no choice. The word gringo should put terror in their hearts, rather then conjure an image of weakness, softness and niceness. This is pure Darwin.

    Yakov

    March 26, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    • There’s nothing wrong with having ones own nation. But radicals hate their own and always side with the enemy of their country. Burning their country’s flag should be a clue. Every leftist is a born traitor and should be stripped of political rights. Traitors shouldn’t be allowed the tools with which to commit treason.

      As for illegals, I don’t think they should be savaged. But they should have all their belongings confiscated and given two years in prison at their own expense and fined. If they can’t pay then they should be forced to work it off. They’ve taken trillions from American taxpayers, It’s time they start paying it back.

      destructure

      March 26, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    • “What’s wrong with wanting to live among your own race or nation?”

      Because by doing so you develop loyalties that interfere with the plans of globalists elites? Even Lefties not so long ago claimed to believe that socialism would work best in mono-ethnic societies. Something happened. Some sort of arrangement was made. Either that or the socialist Left and the globalist Right have been involved in a fake battle all along. Some claim the Cold war was more a PR war than anything else and that the real war was going on behind the scenes unnoticed; the war to erode the ethnic identity of the peoples of the West. But why and for the benefit of whom?

      Curle

      March 27, 2017 at 1:40 am

  3. The reason we are in this situation is because the West as a cultural institution has become convinced, for whatever reason, that Western cultural mores are bad.

    The immature / Feminine mind refuses to accept that sometimes the best way to help people is by punishing them. And Western culture is deemed bad because it condones restraints on certain groups/individuals but help society as a whole. All groups (and individuals) generally have issues that can be damaging to society when played out large, so Western moral values disapprove of them and restrict them in certain ways (e.g. Male violence, female emotionality, homosexual sexuality, etc).

    Since our culture has decided that our own morals are bad, others must be good. Yet there is no other culture in the world which is ‘good’ from the implicit you know enough about it. There is no social system that doesn’t involve a code of behaviors integrating individuals into the whole. If we actually had an intelligent & grounded enough population to be able to observe and articulate this, it would be quite obvious that a social system that demands slavery to an ideology* is incompatible with our own system & values.

    * We already have a master which demands we bow down as slaves, and its name is Globalism.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    March 26, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    • Are pluralism, tolerance, and equality not your morals now? Those sound pretty bad to me.

      Jason Liu

      March 27, 2017 at 3:36 pm

      • Japan is a good model.

        Vincent

        March 28, 2017 at 12:04 am

  4. Horrifying.

    And why would you read salon?

    Lion of the Turambar

    March 26, 2017 at 1:47 pm

  5. “I do not want people who hold these bad ideas living in my community.”

    Sounds perfectly rational, except that if the bad ideas are deemed religious ideas, then the prevailing legal view is that they are protected under the First Amendment and must be tolerated no matter how execrable they seem to Westerners.

    Mark Caplan

    March 26, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    • Mark, agree with you, but you don’t go far enough. See my comment below.

      sestamibi

      March 26, 2017 at 8:09 pm

  6. Way more sense in some of those comments than in the article. If that keeps up, Salon will have to join the growing list of sites that ban comments.

    Mike Street Station

    March 26, 2017 at 2:11 pm

  7. I agree, if religion means one like Christianity. But Islam claims anyone who is born into Islam, and Judaism claims anyone with a Jewish mother. Many people are considered Jews even if they do not subscribe to Jewish teachings and ideas.

    Roger

    March 26, 2017 at 3:54 pm

  8. You’re wrong, of course. Criticism of CHRISTIANITY, being the historic religion of the majority of Americans, is criticism of an idea and needs to be encouraged. Criticism of anything else (e.g. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Jainism, or Hinduism), being minority faiths in the US, is criticism of an identity and absolutely forbidden.

    Gilbert Ratchet

    March 26, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    • And let’s not forget criticism of all the secular religions is also forbidden: feminism, anti-racism, environmentalism, equalism, globalism, etc. etc.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      March 26, 2017 at 5:11 pm

  9. Religion is a proxy for tribe and the tribe’s preferred means of regulating difficult social matters that can’t be determined through objective means; which is why 90% of tribal communication is through storytelling which is why MSM narratives are so important. The MSM is creating a tribal moral sensibility.

    Curle

    March 26, 2017 at 4:30 pm

  10. Folks. The author of that article works for the Council of Foreign Relations. This is coming from one of the Cerebral Cortex of the Cathedral.

    This is the POWER speaking to truth:

    http://www.cfr.org/about/history/cfr/inquiry.html

    To understand where the root of our troubles come from, the Chapter American Confusions from Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope.

    We need to stop focusing on the ideological tripe, the “FORMAL” speak. We need to focus on the who and the where and the money.

    darkreformation101

    March 26, 2017 at 7:13 pm

  11. “And some of these ideas are bad. It is perfectly valid for a person to say, “I do not want people who hold these bad ideas living in my community.” That is not bigotry. It is critical thinking.”

    Note the overt message in this statement, which goes as follows: “I think these ideas are bad, and because I’m better than you and more enlightened, by views should prevail, and yours should be censored.”

    This is all about power, and nothing more. Why can’t I just say the same to him (or more likely, her)? I think MY ideas are GOOD, and YOURS are bad, and therefore YOURS should be censored.

    The typical response of the mainstream conservative community, unfortunately, has been to mouth platitudes about the First Amendment. Time to get beyond that and punch back, physically, if necessary. If the altercation yesterday in Huntington Beach, CA was any indication, that may be starting to happen.

    sestamibi

    March 26, 2017 at 8:08 pm

  12. “Criticism of religion is a criticism of ideas. Religion is not an indelible attribute like skin color or sexual orientation.”

    LOL. We live in a world in which sexual orientation is an indelible attribute, but sex (what they now call gender) is delible.

    The kids believe this. We are so fucked.

    gothamette

    March 26, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    • Actually a fair number of kids think it is horse shit. They just don’t say so because they don’t want to never get into college, never get or lose their job, or even be physically attacked. When they polled people as to who they would vote for, they got record numbers of “don’t know” or “undecided”. Kids don’t want to be targeted by nazi enforcers of PC bullshit.

      no too late

      March 26, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      • If that’s true then we are still fucked. Imagine something as basic, as common sense, as the biology of sex (and its immutability) being criminalized. Being a cause for ostracism. Fucked.

        gothamette

        March 26, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    • Here is the problem with this post- it exposes that Lion real needs to up his game.

      Every commentor on this thread had a more interesting take than Lion. His only analysis was to commend a dummy post “religion == bad”. Can anyone imagine althouse, sailor or insta bloging such a vapid position.

      Not only are you reading Salon, which has been dubious now for 20 years, but a Salon commentor???? If anyone did bother to find out what they thought, there would be no reason to treat it seriously.

      I am fine with the video game posts. I think we are getting an interesting take there. And its not like I need HS to do golf course design analysis, but I felt there was no Lion analysis in this one. Nothing was added beyond the echo for a ridiculous position that is already below the noise filter. Lion’s blog is a daily read for me because what he brings to topics and I felt there wasnt anything here.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      March 27, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      • Lion (of the Blogosphere) is a mysterious force which enables us to show ourselves at our best.

        That is what he is best at, Turambar.

        What the hell is a Turambar, anyway?

        gothamette

        March 28, 2017 at 9:01 pm

  13. Religion is a bit like race, it is mostly inherited from the parents. Very few people convert to other religion, there are some who just loose it, in some way it is the equivalent of racial intermarrying. So I wouldn’t say it is just an idea, there is much more identity factor to it than a mere idea.

    Hashed

    March 26, 2017 at 9:16 pm


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