Lion of the Blogosphere

Elite schools only admit “leaders”

I enjoyed reading this essay at the New York Times, despite the subtle bashing of Donald Trump.

I am almost certain that the girl in the essay who’s a cellist and biomedical engineering major is Asian. It does seem to me that the demand for “leadership” is one of the ways that elite schools manage to discriminate against Asians.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 26, 2017 at 8:21 pm

Posted in Education

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  1. Where I live there are many Asians. I can tell you they only do stuff that is “leadership” so they can put it on their resume. Leaders they are not, not generally. I tell my sons that leaders are born not made. Like anyone, leaders benefit from training, encouragement, etc., but you can’t make a non leader into a leader.

    no too late

    March 26, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    • There’s nothing wrong with doing stuff in order to put it on your resume, if that’s what the job market values.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 26, 2017 at 8:29 pm

      • I can take a class in diversity. It doesn’t mean I actually value it or agree with it. Likewise Asian high school students may put in a little time to appear like they would be willing or able to lead something, but really they are not. I am not saying they are not capable people, just that fewer of them are leaders than are whites. Just as there are some smart black people, their group average is lower.

        no too late

        March 27, 2017 at 8:32 am

    • There are many Asian leaders in Asian countries, it is not that “Leaders they are not”, it is just that they are culturally different from the main stream American culture so their leadership traits can not manifest in this society.

      Hashed

      March 26, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      • “There are many Asian leaders in Asian countries, it is not that “Leaders they are not”, it is just that they are culturally different from the main stream American culture so their leadership traits can not manifest in this society.”

        I agree with this.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 26, 2017 at 9:11 pm

      • East Asians are not interchangeable with Caucasoids. This is the problem and from a HBD standpoint, East Asians do not make dynamic leaders in White societies.

        JS

        March 26, 2017 at 10:42 pm

      • My point is that a lower percentage of Asians exhibit natural qualities or charisma, etc., that make people naturally follow them. Of course Asians have those people among them, but at a lower rate.

        no too late

        March 27, 2017 at 8:25 am

      • this seems kind of problematic, because East Asians differ among themselves. Japanese may be natural followers, or at least “consensus based” leaders, but Chinese don’t like to follow orders, and it takes a very charismatic personality, like Mao, to get them into line. In fact China has a long tradition of producing very charismatic cult and gang leaders. I suspect a lot of Chinese-Americans are just keeping their heads down, the way Jews did in early 20th century America, but that we will see a lot more “leaders” of Chinese descent in the next few generations, as they continue to accumulate capital, status and feel more secure in white America.

        Peter Akuleyev

        March 27, 2017 at 10:15 am

      • You also have to consider that many Asians are relatively recent immigrants. Many Asians I know, first-generation, US-born of immigrant parents, are mostly engineers, or doctors– not precisely “leadership” professions. However, their children go to school with my kids, and I see many of them studying to be politicians and business leaders.

        trap-n-skeet

        March 27, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    • Don’t kid yourself, just thank God they were born with white skin.

      DaddyFrank

      March 27, 2017 at 4:54 pm

  2. If I were Trump or Sessions I would be having a lot of fun with that Justice Department right now. I would sue the Ivies for racial discrimination and demand that they expose their admissions process to an open audit. Even if the suit was not ultimately 100% successful it would embarrass the Ivies to no end.

    Furthermore I would make them start spending those $20-30 billion endowments on something useful or risk having it taxed away. In fact, I would tax them anyway and still make them spend the money fruitfully.

    Daniel

    March 26, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    • Being private and with a huge endowment that obviates the need to take federal money, how are they subject to anti-discrimination law?

      Marty

      March 26, 2017 at 10:45 pm

      • Private universities take in an immense amount of federal dollars – research grants, their students getting aid, etc.

        Simba of the Blogosphere

        March 26, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      • 1) They receive lots of federal money. I would guess that Harvard alone probably receives $100s of million per year in research grants, and their affiliated students receive enormous sums in the form of scholarships and grants. I am sure the others receive comparable amounts.

        2) Being “private” does not necessarily protect an institution from charges of discrimination. Most of the time “private” status does not. General Motors is a “private” institution but cannot legally discriminate on the basis of race on who it employs.

        3) I believe that the Ivies are guilty of and liable for discriminating against Asians and would face judgment if they were sued by the government. They may be guilty of discriminating against other groups too. Furthermore, the embarrassment and humiliation that the Ivies would endure make the effort worth while in any case.

        Right-wingers still don’t know how to fight the left. They have no heart. My hope is that the Trump administration is not just the usual Republican administration with a little more teeth. We need and deserve something fundamentally different. Something vicious and nasty, that goes after the left with no quarter offered.

        Daniel

        March 27, 2017 at 12:14 am

      • It’s even easier than that… Obama/Bush laid the ground work for it. Designate the institutions as systemically important or too big to fail and bingo, you can nationalize them, without having to nationalize them.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        March 28, 2017 at 1:37 am

    • @Daniel – excellent comment.

      Simba of the Blogosphere

      March 26, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      • The right doesn’t realize the left grinds away at them slowly. The right needs to crush the left with such utterly disgusting prejudice that it makes Hannibal and Genghis Kahn look like Mr. Rogers. It’d also have the added benefit of being entertaining to watch… nothin like the sound of your enemies vanquished and the lamentations of their women.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        March 28, 2017 at 1:35 am

  3. I don’t disagree with you, but I’d suggest the focus on “leadership” is a way of hopefully identifying and attracting those people who will earn the big bucks later in life, the kind of money that requires more than just hard work. A college doesn’t find itself with a billion-dollar endowment with $10 a year alumni donations. As my ex-wife (a college director of “development”) said, the big money is in estate giving from dead alums. She was ruthless is dismissing asians and foreigner students since they almost certainly would never give money. Similarly, she loved working with frats even if their grades weren’t so good since their networking and social position meant significantly improved donation prospects.

    Milestone D

    March 26, 2017 at 9:41 pm

  4. Cellist, not conductor? Sorry no leadership.

    Dave

    March 26, 2017 at 9:53 pm

  5. How many white undergrads at Harvard or Yale do you think have a distinct Southern accent?

    Brendan

    March 26, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    • Smart people lose their regional accents.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 26, 2017 at 10:09 pm

      • I worked with a very smart guy from Mississippi who I think deliberately exaggerated his hick accent. It definitely lulls people.

        bobbybobbob

        March 26, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    • Probably more of them than there are white undergrads with distinct working class Eastern Massachusetts, Long Island, New Jersey or New York accents. Upper class Southern accents are fine – if you walk around speaking like Shelbey Foote the girls might dig it.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 27, 2017 at 10:21 am

  6. Leaders who want the prole lemmings to drop dead!

    JS

    March 26, 2017 at 10:09 pm

  7. Leadership is code for women and gays. Str8 men can no longer be leaders.

    Explainer 21

    March 26, 2017 at 10:48 pm

    • Very true. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign revealed the mindset, attitudes, and prejudices of those who hold onto the levers of power in our society, if only in the most clumsy, ridiculous manner possible.

      Sid

      March 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm

  8. If you look for leadership among 17-18 year olds, it will skew towards people who are very extroverted. It is hard to be a leader intellectually/creatively when you are so young, so you end up with people who get involved with typical extrovert volunteer activities and projects. It also makes these people overvalue their early accomplishments (there is something really weird about people obsessing about their “college days”, you’re still a child basically…)

    A lot of meaningful intellectual/creative development happens later on, in one’s later twenties/thirties, but there isn’t always a venue for pursuing this.

    Bazillionaire

    March 27, 2017 at 1:46 am

    • Leadership at that young of an age is meaningless. Most of the “leaders” I knew in high school and college were bullies.

      GondwanaMan

      March 31, 2017 at 12:48 pm

  9. Seeing this comment from Bazillionaire reminded me to ask you if you are watching “Billions”. It is the most intelligent show I’ve found on TV lately.

    CamelCaseRob

    March 27, 2017 at 10:13 am

  10. I’ve been surprised and impressed with the leadership shown by Theresa May, the British Prime Minister after the Brexit vote. 52% of Brits had voted to leave the EU, but in the months after vote, the anti-Brexiteers made up of left-wing intellectuals, the media and most of the UK’s rich and famous threw up every road-block to stop Brexit from moving on. Theresa May, quietly, confidently kept Brexit on course and in doing so has proven herself to be the best leader in the world, alongside Donald Trump ofcourse.

    Roli

    March 27, 2017 at 12:59 pm


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