Lion of the Blogosphere

Is Obama a natural-born citizen?

It makes absolutely no sense that Obama’s mother would travel to a third-world country to have a baby, and then fly right back to attend college in Washington State. So of course Obama was born in the United States.

There’s a legal debate about whether one’s a “natural-born citizen” if one’s father is not a citizen, even though the birth took place in the United States and the mother is a natural-born citizen herself. But it’s a debate in which the side arguing against Obama has thoroughly lost. Unlike global warming, which may not actually be happening even though there’s a consensus, consensus does solve legal debates.

Obama has a stronger claim to natural-born citizenship than Ted Cruz who was possibly born in Canada.

It’s kind of stupid that we are still talking about Obama’s citizenship in 2017.

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And while we are talking about things that make no sense, Pizzagate conspiracy nuts believe that an older woman would bring her pre-adolescent nieces and nephews to a pool party so that Hillary Clinton’s coterie could sexually abuse them. That makes absolutely no sense.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 16, 2017 at 6:05 pm

Posted in Law

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  1. I think it’s pretty clear that Obama was born in Hawaii. My guess, though, is that in the early years, e.g., college, he claimed to be from Kenya; it made him more exotic. An early publicist, for example, in promoting Obama’s first book, initially listed him as from Kenya. Hence the reason for wanting to keep college and law school records closed.

    John Foster

    April 16, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    • He played up the Kenya angle before college. When BO was in high school his father, from a prominent Kenyan family, was a real, no exaggeration, big shot in the Kenyan govt. Who are you going to talk up to your friends? Your white academic mom, white furniture sales grandfather, white bank dept grandmother or your black dad who runs his country’s economic policy? In Obama’s family the black guy was the success.

      Curle

      April 16, 2017 at 10:04 pm

  2. If Obama is going to treat Americans like foreigners we’re going to make him feel like a foreigner.

    Heh, heh:

    Andrew E.

    April 16, 2017 at 6:19 pm

  3. It doesn’t even matter if he was a citizen or not (and I believe very well that he may not be).

    America is so balkanized and divided that legal citizenship is a meaningless legal formality without even a pretense to shared values and heritage.

    How can I call other people countrymen who are different race, religion, and culture? Who may very well hate this country, hate me, and wish me dead and happily take my money through welfare?

    Hell, much of my own kind has views and values 180 degrees opposite of mine and would think me a monster as they prattle on about the rights of the LGBTQ and other insanities like BLM. They’re not my countrymen, either.

    So, what if we were all born here and have a piece of paper that says we’re Americans? We’re all enemies without even a pretense anymore to peaceable, equitable, honest co-existence. It’s zero-sum game and no holds-barred.

    Low-trust society, indeed.

    fakeemail

    April 16, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    • Great comment.

      jjbees

      April 16, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    • Every normal American held your views prior to the madness of the liberal takeover and resulting Immigration Act of 1965. The United States was never intended to be a melting pot, a proposition nation or any such nonsense. It was founded by Europeans and for Europeans. Period. Don’t worry though, Generation Z will be more conservative than all previous generations and will complete the renewal of the historic American nation that Trump began.

      B.T.D.T.

      April 16, 2017 at 9:08 pm

      • “Don’t worry though, Generation Z will be more conservative than all previous generations and will complete the renewal of the historic American nation that Trump began.”

        There is a lot to that, though Generation Z demographics are pretty abysmal. Here’s an article from Cracked.com that frets about how teenagers these days are ever more into our programme:

        http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-were-quietly-letting-racists-win/

        Cracked.com was funny, if puerile, roughly 7-10 years ago. Of course, it got hijacked by SJWs like this author, and now it’s just another dour list website. So it’s fun to see them squirm about not being able to reach readers past the Millennial generation.

        Of course, his proposal – teach anti-racism as though it were sex ed! – would cause the left to lose hard, so they won’t adopt it.

        Sid

        April 16, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    • Obama was legally a natural-born​ American citizen, but he wasn’t culturally American. One never really had the sense he spoke for the American public, or that he was passionate about advancing American interests.

      For example, I’m sure Obama was outraged about the Muslim bans, but I doubt he felt much of anything when the Coptic Christians in Egypt were slaughtered.

      Sid

      April 16, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    • “How can I call other people countrymen who are different race, religion, and culture?”

      Considering that America is a mutt nation, referring to them as countrymen is most appropriate.

      “Who may very well hate this country, hate me, and wish me dead and happily take my money through welfare?”

      Criminals. Being mindful, however, that not all or most immigrants feel this way. That would be the Alt-Right propaganda machine.

      GCM

      April 17, 2017 at 10:12 am

      • “That would be the Alt-Right propaganda machine.”

        Lol. Project much? This ‘machine’ is just the opinions of lots of people. Evidence seems to be that paid commenters are mostly on the left. The ‘alt-right’ is just what gets through when the censors are out to lunch.

        Dan

        April 18, 2017 at 12:55 pm

  4. So you are choosing to ignore the video I posted and hang your hat on an argument that assumes his mom is a rational actor.

    Just watch the video and deal with the cognitive dissonance all at once.

    dontmatter

    April 16, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    • Mike Zullo came up with a completely new theory about why the birth certificate is fake. All of his earlier claims were debunked.

      His new theory hinges on the claim that the angles of the stamps match that of another birth certificate provided by a woman and that this is allegedly a statistical impossibility.

      He had only about ten birth certificates from the time period for comparison. These birth certificates were provided by people for comparison purposes shortly after the Obama’s long form birth certificate was published. Zullo looked at these documents for years, trying to prove that Obama’s does not match the others. Then he suddenly changed his mind and now claims that one of them matches Obama’s too perfectly.

      It is highly unlikely that the random woman, whose birth certificate the forgers allegedly used, would be among the few who would provide their documents for the birther investigation.
      It is much more probable that Zullo is just wrong once again.

      Contrarian

      April 17, 2017 at 1:20 am

    • Isn’t part of the problem that “Pizza Gate” refers to a range of issues? At its most extreme, there is some sort of conspiracy theory in which Comet Ping Pong Pizza serves as the center of a child molestation ring involving Hillary Clinton, the Podestas and other prominent Democrats. There is no evidence to prove this.

      At its most basic, “Pizza Gate” states that Comet Ping Pong Pizza is involved in child pornography or child molestation. Because of the owner’s unusual background, and a number of other factors, such as the alleged presence of sexually explicit paintings in the pizzeria’s bathrooms, the alleged use of child molestation symbols at the restaurant and associated businesses in the neighborhood and the alleged references to child molestation on the owner’s instagram account, there is a great deal of suspicion surrounding the activities at the restaurant.

      The problem is, no one has ever come forward about any of this, and no one has attempted to file charges against the owners.

      For me, it is a difficult issue, because I am from such a different background culturally than the gay hipster restaurateurs involved in the Ping Pong project. In the suburbs of the great Eastern seaboard, prole culture’s hold is strong. We have three basic types of pizzerias: ethnic dives run mainly by southern Italians or Greeks, chains such as Dominos and Papa John’s, and would be upscale “Italian Restaurants” where white table cloths are unfurled so that middles and upper middles can feel good about themselves, though they do not go so far as to eat their pies with a knife and fork.

      So, I think a number of people from my background are suspicious of the Comet Ping Pong establishment since we are so far removed from the culture it represents. A culture, that, for example, might find it funny or ironic to allegedly hang a painting depicting masturbation in the men’s restroom of a restaurant frequented by singles, families with children, and others.

      The Shepherd

      April 17, 2017 at 8:14 am

      • I have driven past Comet Ping Pong many times. It is just a tiny little storefront on Connecticut Avenue near the DC line. People project all sorts of things as if it is some Goldman Sachs, with tentacles of conspiracy stretching outward to the world. Does it have some massive underground lair, where the little pizza joint is a portal to a secret evil megalopolis?

        My view is that Comet Ping Pong was a social hangout for some SWPLs who have no religious community, no church, no town and their family is far away. For them, its special because they are losers who lack the community that normal people have.

        If there is a pedo double meaning in the logo, it is probably very old. CP looks like some beat down place and pedophilia was more of a thing in the past.

        Dan

        April 18, 2017 at 1:10 pm

  5. “But it’s a debate in which the side arguing against Obama has thoroughly lost.”

    Guess I missed that case. Last case I recall reading on this the Supremes left the door open on this question.

    Re Pizzagate, I suspect the clever section of that promotional cohort buys into the old ‘higher truth’ angle; that groups of politically connected men are perving on kids but the authorities don’t want to catch them and won’t catch them so you might as well promote a fake story to put the pervs on guard. The mayor of Seattle is being investigated more than 20 years after perving on teens. At the time people talked but nobody followed up. Even 10 years ago someone credible came forward to the press but no paper would follow up or report. These guys believe they are protected and get brazen. Run for office and, in the case of Jimmy Saville in UK, even hang with royalty.

    Curle

    April 16, 2017 at 9:53 pm

  6. Says LotB:

    “And while we are talking about things that make no sense, Pizzagate conspiracy nuts believe that an older woman would bring her pre-adolescent nieces and nephews to a pool party so that Hillary Clinton’s coterie could sexually abuse them. That makes absolutely no sense.”

    Fine. Then explain the following statement:

    “We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.”

    It’s hard to see that as anything other than the writing of a child molester. The children are “entertainment”? Are the Luzatto children a troupe of pre-teen acrobats? Kiddie stand-up comedians?

    “They will be in that pool for sure.” Who would write something like that? And why?

    Why are the ages of the children specifically mentioned? Why hasn’t a member of ANY law enforcement agency interviewed any of these children. If this is all innocent, a brief interview should confirm that. Right?

    Robert the Wise

    April 16, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    • Stop being a moron.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 16, 2017 at 10:55 pm

      • Shaming language? That’s your response?

        Robert the Wise

        April 16, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      • I think this is making a mountain out a molehill when it comes to picking apart wording.

        But claiming that it ‘makes no sense’ that a woman would do this is ridiculous. Women can and do murder their own children. It doesn’t matter what makes sense, because people very frequently are not sensible.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        April 17, 2017 at 6:23 am

      • Isnt it also (at least) equally likely that a bunch of wizened, stuffy policy insiders like for an afternoon to be around happy children and remember their own youth?

        Lion o' the Turambar

        April 17, 2017 at 11:33 am

    • The text you provide as incriminating has the same painful ‘mommy’ sound I find in far too many of the Christmas letters I receive each year. Why women write like this I’ve no idea but proof of perving it is not.

      Curle

      April 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm

  7. Pizzagate is more like an inner joke and in some way a proof of how easy it is to create fake news. In some way it serves the right because any fake news is a prove that fake news exist, which means you can’t trust any source of news, including the main stream media.

    Hashed

    April 17, 2017 at 1:28 am

  8. The way I look at it, FMD was most likely his real dad. Therefore his parents were American. So he is American. The theory is that Ann went to Kenya to make the marriage look legit. She couldn’t marry the real dad, according to Gilbert’s theory, because he was already married. Times were different back then. You HAD to be married if you had a kid. Check out that movie, Dreams of My Real Father, and Gilbert’s follow ups. No one has debunked that movie or the findings of Arapio’s investigators. They just call it the racist birther argument and everyone moves on.

    The point is, the guy is American. So it doesn’t matter, but it’s still interesting.

    Dave

    April 17, 2017 at 12:49 pm

  9. Obama’s half-brother released a copy of Barrack’s Kenyan birth certificate.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/malik-obama-shares-photo-brother-baracks-kenya-certificate-birth/

    Also, the newly elected Democrat governor of Hawaii at the time said he was going to go look at Obama’s long-form birth certificate and eventually came back and said there was some problem but he had seen “some papers” — the implication being that there was no long form birth certificate.

    I agree it doesn’t matter now, but I’d like to know the truth. I’d also like to see all the other records that he has suppressed released and also clear up the various issues with his social security number.

    CamelCaseRob

    April 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm

  10. “Pizzagate conspiracy nuts believe that an older woman would bring her pre-adolescent nieces and nephews to a pool party so that Hillary Clinton’s….. ” etc.

    I’m surprised a lawyer wrote that. Many times women facilitate the sexual abuse and rape of their own children. Women are, inherently, amoral opportunists.

    hard9bf

    April 19, 2017 at 3:24 pm

  11. The only realistic possibility that ever existed for Obama’s non-citizenship was if he was born in Canada. If his Seattle based mother and/or her Seattle based family had initially planned to give him up for adoption, the most likely plan was having the kid at one of several (no longer existing, so more difficult to investigate) “homes for wayward girls” in Victoria, Vancouver or elsewhere in British Columbia or Alberta, Canada. Not far from Seattle, so easy to visit; but over the border so you’re less likely to bump into someone you know. And then maybe because of the times, the mother and/or family changed their minds.

    I’ve never read any account of a thorough investigation of this Canadian possibility.

    The Kenyan idea, (traveling to Africa to have a baby?) is ridiculous. It may have been pushed in the alternate and fringe media as a decoy to distract possible investigators of the more likely Canadian angle. To me this made the Canadian possibility even more likely. If a US or foreign interest group or individuals has the information and the leverage, they would want to maintain the exclusive ownership of it.

    Feeeney

    April 20, 2017 at 7:59 pm

  12. Obama has a stronger claim to natural-born citizenship than Ted Cruz who was possibly born in Canada.
    and both are weak and contort original intent equally

    Neither daddy was a US Citizen, both parents originally had to be US Citizens for POTUS eligibility

    You are obfuscating on purpose

    Buroaker

    April 23, 2017 at 8:25 am


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