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Marine Le Pen

Too close to call if Marie Le Pen will have more votes than Macron, but both will be in run-off election. Need more time to digest.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 23, 2017 at 7:02 pm

Posted in International

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  1. Isn’t France one of those countries where the president (head of state) has little power, where the prime minister, the head of government chosen by the legislature, has all the real power?

    Gozo

    April 23, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    • I don’t understand French politics, so I dunno.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 23, 2017 at 7:12 pm

      • Hopefully Bruni the Parisien will respond!

        JS

        April 23, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    • Isn’t France one of those countries where the president (head of state) has little power, where the prime minister, the head of government chosen by the legislature, has all the real power?

      No.

      The French Presidency holds considerable power; the French often call their Presidents “elected Kings”.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      April 23, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    • I’m no expert, but, generally speaking, no. Unlike Germany, Ireland, Israel etc., France has a strong presidency, written into their constitution by de Gaulle with the expectation that he was writing his own job description.

      However, there is also a prime minister, with whom the president must share some power. Word is it remains to be seen how that would play out with Le Pen as president, could be messy.

      Greg Pandatshang

      April 23, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    • The general understanding I have is that the French president is a strong position. If there is a prime minister who strongly opposes him, then the usual compromise is that the French president leads foreign policy while the prime minister handles domestic issues.

      Sid

      April 23, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    • No. French President is strong, like US President. Prime Minister is like speaker of the House, like Paul Ryan.

      Daniel

      April 23, 2017 at 11:44 pm

  2. She will probably lose in two weeks.

    The French still aren’t ready to give up on the EU and euro because that would entail letting go of the wealth transfer payments they receive from Northern Europe. If the choice for France is between independence or living off EU welfare slush funds, Le Pen has a very big hurdle to jump.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    April 23, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    • Agreed. Far more people who voted for Fillon or Melenchon have stated that Macron, rather than Le Pen, is their second choice:

      Unless Macron screws up really, really bad, I can’t​ see Le Pen overcoming such a hurdle.

      I agree with your point that Le Pen’s “Eurosceptic” attitudes were much too stark for her to be electable. From my perspective, she should have stated the EU has been turning into a tool of Germanic hegemony over Europe, as well as a globalist tool to Islamicize Europe. She would wrest back France’s erstwhile role as an equal partner to Germany within the EU, and make the EU a collaborative, continental project.

      But I’m American and am not an expert on French politics, so my proposal might be ill-informed.

      Sid

      April 23, 2017 at 8:31 pm

      • I agree that position would’ve probably worked better for Le Pen, but I believe she was already on the record as favoring EU withdrawal, so it would’ve been a flip-flop. Also, if she moderates too much she runs the risk of her niece and father either splitting the party or challenging her leadership, as they’ve been openly threatening to do.

        snorlaxwp

        April 23, 2017 at 10:21 pm

      • Not everyone can change their mind or policies and get away with it the way Trump can!

        Sid

        April 24, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    • But I’m American and am not an expert on French politics, so my proposal might be ill-informed.

      I think that would have been more appropriate gien current circumstances, but I don’t want to Monday morning quarterback her campaign. Her strong positions against the euro and EU were taken years before when the EU looked more politically stable than today and was less popular with the French. Now, with Britain exiting the Union, the EU project looks near death and the French have expressed higher approval for it, in part, because they fear what will come after the EU if it collapses. And a Le Pen Presidency certainly means the EU’s collapse.

      But Le Pen had no way of knowing ahead of time the EU’s recent failings would make her own hardline position more difficult to sell to her own people. Even if she did, if she had softened her positions on the euro for 2017 she would have risked having her most solid supporters bolt and looking like a flip-flopper to the rest of the electorate.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      April 23, 2017 at 10:17 pm

      • And come to think of it, I’m sure the success of the Brexit must have appeared like a sign from heaven for Le Pen that she could ride the wave to victory.

        Why not do it? If it succeeded in Britain, why not France, where the EU was polling even lower approval numbers than in Britain?

        Sid

        April 24, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      • Why not do it? If it succeeded in Britain, why not France, where the EU was polling even lower approval numbers than in Britain?

        Political trends in the Anglo world usually do not translate to French politics.

        But, yes, after Trump and Brexit she could be forgiven for not seeing a need to compromise her platform.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        April 24, 2017 at 7:48 pm

  3. Time to digest=2 seconds. Macron wins May 2.

    Dave

    April 23, 2017 at 7:20 pm

  4. MariNe Le Pen. With an N

    XVO

    April 23, 2017 at 7:32 pm

  5. It’s Marine not Marie

    Dave

    April 23, 2017 at 7:35 pm

  6. If she doesn’t pull ahead, I’m out $50.

    gothamette

    April 23, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    • said that already

      Fact Checker

      April 23, 2017 at 10:32 pm

      • It still hurts.

        gothamette

        April 24, 2017 at 6:55 pm

  7. Much like Geert Wilders, this second place showing was still a major nationalist victory. Le Pen most likely won’t win the second round. They are not quite ready for her yet. But they will be after several more years of Islamic terror. The right in Europe will only become more hardened and enraged with each passing year. Something tells me Marine is not going away and will eventually rise to power with an even greater mandate.

    B.T.D.T.

    April 23, 2017 at 9:14 pm

  8. I can’t believe the French would be stupid enough to elect a 39-year old man married to his childhood teacher and whose sole claim to authority is working for the Bank of Rothschild. Such a fool would seem tailor made to bring out the inner Nazi in a large swath of the population. Honestly, I can’t fathom how this clown is even in the running. I mean, Rothschild? Really?

    Helmut

    April 23, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    • The French seem to have a death wish. They’re going to elect a President who is apparently a big fan of open borders and globalisation. The demographic projections are so bad that waiting another 4-8 years to elect the FN might be too late. And I get the impression they’re mad enough to not even elect a nationalist leader even then.

      The lioncub

      April 24, 2017 at 12:55 am

  9. The French always enjoy a good surrender. It won’t surprise me a bit if they pass over LePen for pajama boy.

    B.T.D.T.

    April 25, 2017 at 11:54 am


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