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Trumpdate 5/25/2017

The en banc 4th Circuit decision to uphold the lower court’s ruling that Trumps travel ban is unconstitutional is outrageous. It says that because Trump said mean things when he was campaigning, this means that everything he does as President is unconstitutional if liberals don’t like it.

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The announcement by the UK that they won’t share any more intelligence with us because of leaks is a gift for Trump. Trump needs to escalate this and make it the #1 priority of the FBI, to find and prosecute the leakers.

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ASF writes: “There is no constitutional right to a specific number of refugee admissions. He should have set the number to 20.”

That wouldn’t have mattered. The court is saying: We know that Trump is a racist, and therefore we’re not going to let him get away with anything. And don’t try to tell us that Islam isn’t a race, that’s something only a racist would say.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 25, 2017 at 6:02 pm

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  1. How is the British announcement a gift for Trump?

    gothamette

    May 25, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    • Creates support for a massive investigation of leakers.

      • You mean prosecution.

        gothamette

        May 25, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    • When I first heard this British announcement I thought it referred to Trump telling the Russian minister Lavrov that piece of Israeli intelligence, that the British were suggesting Trump was irresponsible and could not be trusted with British spy info.

      Gozo

      May 25, 2017 at 6:42 pm

      • The people who leaked that really need to be in prison. The leak did far more damage than Trump sharing some limited info behind closed doors with allies in the fight against ISIS (or at least Trump is trying to make Russia an ally in that fight).

      • I agree, and I don’t see how the British leaks help Trump. I think these leaks make him look incompetent.

        gothamette

        May 25, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    • Quite simply, it makes the leaks an urgent matter of national security, and no longer just an annoying distraction. Trump can now (as he has) have the DOJ mount a massive investigation into the leaks and bring them into the narrative, something which he couldn’t get traction on before.

      Coupled with the coming compartmentalization of the stupid Russia thing, things should be looking up somewhat for the WH. I say should….

      gda

      May 26, 2017 at 2:20 pm

  2. A journalist from OANN said Trump was going to fire three leaking White House staffers when he gets back:

    IHTG

    May 25, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    • They should be prosecuted.

      gothamette

      May 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    • This OANN story seems shady to me. More anonymous sourcing? I’ll see if three White House staffers are actually fired when Trump gets back.

      Mike Street Station

      May 25, 2017 at 7:01 pm

      • Why does he have to wait until he gets back? Doesn’t he have a pen and a phone? Skype?

        gothamette

        May 26, 2017 at 7:14 am

    • That smells like a bogus story to headfake guilty parties into exposing themselves.

      Richard

      May 26, 2017 at 2:23 pm

  3. “Trump Advisor Stephen Miller Blocked G-7 Migration Proposal”: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/25/trump-advisor-stephen-miller-blocked-g7-migration-proposal/

    IHTG

    May 25, 2017 at 6:39 pm

  4. The ruling is indeed outrageous. They’re just speed bumps. They’re trying to delay and postpone to get as many people in as they can until SCOTUS finally rules in Trump’s favor.

    I had also concluded that the leaks with laptop intel, Duterte and now the UK work to Trump’s advantage. I thought Trump was justified in firing that twat Comey for his unwillingness (or incompetence) to find the leakers. They belong in prison.

    destructure

    May 25, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    • The Travel Ban is a fraud. The Trump administration never really wanted it to pass. It is a sop to the more moronic elements of the base to pretend Trump cares about Islamic terrorism, and when it fails he can use that as a pretext to ask for more money from his followers. Trump is like an evangelist preacher, it is all about taking money from suckers. Trump just demonstrated to the Islamic world twice that he is a great friend of the two governments who are doing the most to promote radical Sunni fundamentalism – Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

      Peter Akuleyev

      May 26, 2017 at 4:38 am

      • “Visas to Muslim-majority countries down 20 percent”: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/25/trump-muslim-visas-238846

        IHTG

        May 26, 2017 at 8:31 am

      • I don’t feel particularly safer because fewer Iranians are coming to the US. Iranians aren’t the problem and they don’t turn into suicide bombers blowing up little girls. I am glad fewer Somalis and Libyans are coming, but as the article points out we didn’t have a lot of Somalis or Libyans getting visas before Trump was elected anyway. If the Travel Ban is not pure cynicism than it seems to be motivated mostly by anti-Iran hawkism. So just a continuation of our pro-Israel, pro-Saudi foreign policy that has worked so well the past 40 years.

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 26, 2017 at 5:26 pm

  5. The ruling is outrageous and short sighted. Do the courts really want to establish the precedent that comments made during presidential elections are “evidence” of intent even if the plain text reads otherwise? Like it or not, there will eventually be a Democratic president. And based on all of the litigation surrounding this issue, it looks like a single conservative District Court judge can stop an Executive Order based on flimsy reasoning. That would appear to be a dangerous precedent to set.

    I think this whole thing should have been settled administratively. There is no constitutional right to a specific number of refugee admissions. He should have set the number to 20. Furthermore, he could have placed additional (insurmountable) burdens on the Office of Refugee Resettlement’s grantees that made it impossible for them financially to resettle anyone. I know these things are not Trump’s style, and that is a weakness.

    ASF

    May 25, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    • If it’s not been obvious for years, we live in a Judicial Oligarchy now, not a Constitutional Republic. The law and constitution are whatever judges say it is so the real power is appointing judges.

      Mike Street Station

      May 25, 2017 at 7:03 pm

      • And just like the media, Trump is much more interested in railing against them then actually implementing (or even just proposing solutions). For all his railing against the media, the Trump FCC is further deregulating the industry and easing ownership limits.

        Magnavox

        May 25, 2017 at 11:00 pm

      • Which is why SC nominations are THE most important thing Trump will accomplish. This alone makes Trump’s election a success. Now he just needs a way to fast-track these liberal mis-rulings to the SC and so circumvent the progressives.

        gda

        May 26, 2017 at 2:25 pm

      • If a democrat president is overruled by a conservative judge he will simply ignore it and and the Cathedral will support him. It just goes to show you the republic can’t be saved by normal means within the law because men make laws and men enforce them.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        May 27, 2017 at 10:26 am

    • He should just end all immigration.

      bingbongbaloo

      May 25, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    • Isn’t the craziest part that they are looking at statements for intent and then judging his executive order as though it actually fulfilled that intent, i.e treating it as a full Muslim ban instead of a ban of all people from a minority of majority Muslim countries. His intent as revealed in his campaign comments is obviously substantially different from his actual executive order.

      What’s to stop someone from promising something actually unconstitutional (which I don’t think a full Muslim ban even is), modifying it so that is constitutional, and then have the courts because the original intent was do something unconstitutional.

      Magnavox

      May 25, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    • I don’t think that’s the precedent they’re setting. Now, do the courts want to establish the precedent that an insufficiently tractable Republican can be overruled for whatever bullshit reason seems convenient at the moment? Yes, yes, they do.

      Greg Pandatshang

      May 25, 2017 at 11:35 pm

  6. I’m pretty sure the constitution doesn’t allow discrimination on the grounds of religion (and other things), any other argument seems pointless. I think the problem is that Trump doesn’t understand the constitution, doesn’t want to follow it, and never meant it when he took the pledge (on two Bibles!) to uphold the constitution. I consider him to be a career con man and one of Americas more successful buffoons.

    Shelia Delphin

    May 25, 2017 at 10:48 pm

    • Andrew E.

      May 25, 2017 at 11:58 pm

    • Sheila, I can’t seem to find that section of the Constitution.

      Perhaps you might reread it and point it out to me? It’s quite short, so it should be easy to find: https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

      Always an honor to have a Constitutional scholar in our midst.

      snorlaxwp

      May 26, 2017 at 12:05 am

    • Wow, calling Trump a con man and a buffoon. Did you come up with that all by yourself? I mean gosh I’ve never heard that before.

      Peterike

      May 26, 2017 at 12:57 am

    • “(and other things)”

      lol

      IHTG

      May 26, 2017 at 2:02 am

    • The Constitution most certainly allows discrimination between Americans and foreigners. Once a foreigner is on American soil they have certain rights such as habeas corpus. But getting into this country is discrimination defined.

      gothamette

      May 26, 2017 at 7:11 am

    • You are wrong. When it comes to immigration, the government is free to discriminate however it sees fit as we have the majority of the nation’s existence. We most recently discriminated on the basis of religion in the early 90’s with regards to Jewish Russians.

      PerezHBD

      May 26, 2017 at 7:07 pm

  7. “Trump needs to escalate this and make it the #1 priority of the FBI, to find and prosecute the leakers.”

    So Trump should prosecute himself? He’s the problem because he can’t keep his mouth shut. Maybe I have a different perspective sitting in Europe, but Trump is a complete laughing stock over here. All the Europeans see is a deranged incompetent old man who does whatever corrupt leaders like the Saudis or Chinese flatter him into doing. The bright side of Trump is that intentionally or not he seems to be pushing the Europeans to get their shit together, since they know they can no longer trust the US to bail them out. Whether that will inspire the Europeans to have some backbone about immigration is an open question. Hopefully Merkel will realize at some point that she needs the Poles, Czechs and Hungarians solidly inside the EU to make it work, and that means keeping Muslims out.

    Peter Akuleyev

    May 26, 2017 at 4:33 am

    • “Maybe I have a different perspective sitting in Europe”

      You mean because you live in land of self-annihilating suicides? That could do it.

      Peterike

      May 26, 2017 at 8:33 am

    • I remember well when Reagan was ‘a complete laughingstock’ in Europe for thinking that Pershing missiles in Germany would help bring USSR to heel: yet it worked.

      Being a laughingstock in Europe is a point of pride.

      Curle

      May 26, 2017 at 11:42 am

      • I lived in Europe during the 1980s. Reagan was despised by the left, but he was beloved by the German right (and secretly beloved in Eastern Europe). Even people who thought Reagan was a shallow actor still had tremendous respect for Reagan’s team – Shultz and Weinberger. No one would have ever dared disrespect Reagan the way Macron was obviously mocking Trump yesterday.

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 26, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • No one would have ever dared disrespect Reagan the way Macron was obviously mocking Trump yesterday.

        Macron can mock all he wants. France is Islam’s bitch, Macron is married to his grandmother and 70 year old, billionaire President Trump is married to this:

        The European media is more biased than even the US media so they can just wallow in their smug self deception all they want.

        Let them laugh at Trump and think he’s incompetent. Trump does well when he’s underestimated, or perhaps you haven’t noticed.

        Rifleman

        May 27, 2017 at 9:16 am

      • Macron is weird.

        On the other hand, Trump dumping his wives for younger trophy models is NOT being a good role model for America.

      • On the other hand, Trump dumping his wives for younger trophy models is NOT being a good role model for America.

        Many people find it to be deplorable, it’s not who we are as a nation.

        Rifleman

        May 27, 2017 at 11:46 am

      • On the other hand, Trump dumping his wives for younger trophy models is NOT being a good role model for America.

        At this point, just about anything that keeps the most narcissistic, self-important group of people in world history, modern day white (and vibrant) American women, on their toes and looking over their shoulders is probably a good thing.

        Andrew E.

        May 27, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    • @Peter,

      Trump is close to a laughing stock here. I think the people who contribute here are living in a bubble. Yes, the media are terrible, but he’s conducting himself like a buffoon, and why should we be surprised about that? For all of you who are gonna jump all over me for giving you the bitter truth, I support his agenda, but he’s terrible. He’s incapable of framing a logical argument. His vocabulary is even more limited than Dubya’s, if that can be imagined. Everything is either, “beautiful, very beautiful” or “bad, very bad.” It’s painful to listen to him. Now, if he followed up his stuttering buffoonish comments with action, I wouldn’t care. But he doesn’t, and I’m sick of hearing people say that it’s 5D chess, or whatever. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing, and he’s bluffing.

      @Lion,

      I simply do not understand your reasoning here. These leaks make him look even more incompetent than ever. It’s as if the leakers are giving him the finger and saying, “We don’t care how this f’s up our relationship with our oldest ally. It makes you look stupid!”

      Nothing will happen. Mark my words. If something does happen, I will come here & apologize.

      gothamette

      May 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm

      • The leakers are bozos, because they’ve put themselves in reach of the law just so they could hurt Trump in a news cycle.

        Richard

        May 26, 2017 at 3:31 pm

      • What if they get away with it, because they have so much dirt on so many people?

        gothamette

        May 26, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      • “Trump is close to a laughing stock here. I think the people who contribute here are living in a bubble. Yes, the media are terrible, but he’s conducting himself like a buffoon…”

        I don’t think I’m living in a bubble nor do I think most of the people who post here are. Against my better judgement, I still watch Morning Joe so I’m well aware of how he’s portrayed among the media and establishment: a laughing stock and buffoon. However i’m grading Trump on a totally different scale than the Washington insiders do. Has Trump made some major errors? Sure, mostly related to his tweeting, but the vast majority of Trump “mistakes” are only mistakes because Trump does them. Obama has done many of the same things as Trump like sharing intelligence, and no one cared. You have to keep in mind that except for firing missiles.

        What I want him to do is more important than pleasing Europeans and American establishment types. Otherwise we should only elect Democratic insiders like Hillary. She would have been praised for firing Comey and sharing intelligence with the Russians.

        Mike Street Station

        May 26, 2017 at 6:58 pm

      • Every single mainstream news source called Reagan a dottering old fool or a Nazi back in the 80s. This is what the Philosophies of Suspicion do. They finger wag and attack, attack, attack. It isn’t like they will willingly give us our country back. We’re going to have to fight for it. Time to grow some balls.

        Curle

        May 26, 2017 at 11:49 pm

      • How are the people here in a bubble? We talk about the media and what the Left think all the time. I make regular updates here from NeoGaf.

        Yes, the media, the Left, the Western Euros and the elites see Trump as a bozo, which he is. So what?

        What makes us different is that we focus on what is actually happening and not just narratives and perception: Trump has begun the process of destroying the immigrant community, border security is the best it has been since 9-11, he has just weathered the worst 2 week media cycle of his Presidency and his poll numbers are already showing signs of recovery. The Russian narrative has played itself out and Trump is planning on firing leakers and launching a counter offensive against the Deep State upon his return.

        Paleocon/Liberal/Trucon scum like Peter and Magnavox like to focus on the quirks in Trump’s personality or the things he has not succeeded in yet, but ignore the things that really matter.

        By the way, it needs to be noted that only the most loathsome, despicable cucks care what Western Euros think about Trump. Even the cucks at Redstate don’t care about such things.

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 27, 2017 at 7:24 am

      • Who gives a shit what Macron thinks? His head will be the first on the guillotine and then on the pike, when the second French Revolution comes. He should keep his filthy mouth shut and pray to his maker that his death won’t involve torture.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        May 27, 2017 at 10:36 am

      • You’ll all be happy to know that even the NY Times lauds Melania’s style. But of course, the implication is that she overshadowed the doofus Donald Trump.

        gothamette

        May 29, 2017 at 10:25 am

      • @Mike, I don’t think you are living in a bubble, but I do think that you are reacting a bit much too Mika and Joe, and thus are in defense mode for Trump. Understandable. Right now, other than Gorsuch, I don’t see much. Maybe I’m missing something. What’s he done?

        Otis says that border security is the best it’s been since 9/11. does anyone have actual proof of this?

        Of course I recognize that the media would approve of anything Hillary did. If she roasted and ate a black baby, the media would say she needed the protein.

        gothamette

        May 27, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    • If this article from Der Spiegel is representative, then European media is shit tier, doling out half truths, histrionic misrepresentations, and possessing little understanding of the American system and society.

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-is-a-menace-to-the-world-opinion-a-1148471.html

      Richard

      May 26, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    • Utter nonsense. Europe is just as divided as the US regarding President Trump. Merkel is no better than HRC, so good luck with that.

      The lioncub

      May 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      • Divided in a different way. Europeans who like Putin are glad that the US has a President who follows Putin’s lead. Europeans who don’t like Putin, don’t like Trump. But Europeans are mostly united in that they almost all think Trump is a fool who does what Putin wants.

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 26, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      • Europeans who like Putin are glad that the US has a President who follows Putin’s lead. Europeans who don’t like Putin, don’t like Trump. But Europeans are mostly united in that they almost all think Trump is a fool who does what Putin wants.

        You and your like minded Europeans are like American Russophobics.

        Trump is not “following Putin”. He is simply trying to get people to face the fact that WWII is over, the Cold War is over and we need to face the new reality.

        Europeans are in denial about their waning power and even existence. They are obsessed with hating nationalist America and nationalist Russia.

        When in fact what they fear to notice is 1/2 billion Africans and Muslims waiting to pour into an old, decrepit, non reproducing, weak delusional Europe.

        I’m glad Trump is scaring the Eurosissies and their weak American liberal friends.

        We are only 4 months into 8 years of Trump.

        Things are only going to get worse for you people. Enjoy.

        Rifleman

        May 27, 2017 at 9:27 am

  8. Is there any upside to the court ruling? Maybe accelerationism is the right perspective on the courts issue.

    The long run solution is a) conventional ordnance approach: long-term consistent effort by right-wing politicians to get sympathetic judges in place at all levels, not just the Supreme Court. This will be very difficult because the judges will constantly tend to backslide into poz. In other words, judges will often tend to be a lot less based than they appear before getting their appointments. Therefore, persistence is required.

    or b) nucyular option: Congress passes legislation restricting the jurisdiction of federal courts.

    Now a) is only possible if Trump and future Republican presidents actually feel motivated enough to constantly work on fighting the courts’ implacable sick urge to fall in line with what the New York Times and Wall Street Journal want. This prospect is dubious at best.

    b) would be possible tomorrow if the Republican Party would unite behind it. However, it is currently on almost no one’s radar.

    So, arguably more highly visible outrageous Court rulings are good compared to death by a thousand cuts, if it motivates Trump to stay focused on this issue and or/starts to shift to the Overton window to the point where the nuclear option begins to seem like a possibility.

    Greg Pandatshang

    May 26, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    • The court ruling was a nothing burger. It was 100% on partisan lines. The Supreme Court will probably overrule the lower courts on this one but if they don’t then yeah, the nuclear option becomes available.

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 27, 2017 at 7:26 am

      • You guys should relax and enjoy the show. Would it be as much fun if Trump became Rex tomorrow and slaughtered our enemies wholesale? Yes but it’d be like ejaculating once into the world’s hottest hooker just once. Better to draw this out and watch our enemies writhe slowly as we cut off their fingers one by one and destroy everything they held dear, just as they have destroyed everything we held dear over the last fifty years.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        May 27, 2017 at 10:40 am

      • Good point. If it’s on party lines, that’s not so bad for us. It means the Republican judges aren’t cucking ATM.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm

  9. Obeisance to the courts on the part of the executive is not legally mandatory. This is a supra-legal matter. It’s political, it’s customary. Trump should order executive agencies to ignore the courts’ dictates and follow his instructions. The only recourse that the left would have would be impeachment, which at this stage is a pipe dream. We need to break into uncharted territory.

    Daniel

    May 27, 2017 at 3:59 pm

  10. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266812/democrats-second-secession-americas-new-civil-war-david-horowitz

    Sometimes David Horowitz gets it right, and I think he made some good points here. He thinks we are in a civil war, but that the Federal gov’t has so much power, it will never come to shooting. So what lies in store for the future? A house divided that does stand? Or cold war until one side wins?

    gothamette

    May 29, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    • Smart people will leave America. It’s simple as that.

      The dumb ones are staying put where they are left to their own devices.

      My Alma Mater just contacted me for donations. To fund what? So more inner city kids get to attend college? So more tenured professors and upper college admins get to luxuriate at the expense of everyone else in the school?

      JS

      May 30, 2017 at 5:50 pm


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