Lion of the Blogosphere

Little League baseball

This is so boring. Being a parent and having to sit through this every weekend would suck big time.

Update

The prole kids from New Jersey are beating the rich kids from Manhattan 17-6.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 27, 2017 at 7:31 pm

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  1. if it was your son, you might feel differently. but, odds are if you had a kid, it would be like you and you’d be able to do something you both enjoy. not too late!

    sam rock

    May 27, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    • if it was your son, you might feel differently.

      If it was his son the other parents would feel differently. People don’t always appreciate middle aged unmarried men at their kids baseball games.

      Magnavox

      May 27, 2017 at 10:42 pm

    • it would be like you and you’d be able to do something you both enjoy

      I’m going to venture a guess that you don’t have any kids. In fact, I think about this sort of thing quite often, as my toddler shows signs of being *much* more boyish and outgoing than I was as a youth. I *hope* that he ends up enjoying the same things as me, but… if he doesn’t? My wife and I have already agreed that there are sports that he will, and won’t, be playing (if that’s even what he wants – I hope he doesn’t).

      SJ, Esquire

      May 28, 2017 at 8:39 pm

  2. It is. In fact, all baseball is boring as hell.

    B.T.D.T.

    May 27, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    • Baseball is awesome. We gave up cable as we discovered none of us actually watched it other than our youngest who watched cartoons.

      Now we have the grand total of one cable channel, MLB.

      I love baseball and am so glad my husband and sons love it, too.

      not too late

      May 30, 2017 at 5:37 pm

  3. At least the people in the stands aren’t as drunk as angry as at a real baseball game (which is just as boring).

    Magnavox

    May 27, 2017 at 8:14 pm

  4. Maybe baseball is boring in general, stripping it from all the stuff around expose it for what it is. On the other hand, my kid soccer league is very exciting, although I find it hard to watch sometimes because my kid is one of the worst players in his team.

    Hashed

    May 27, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    • When I worked at a SF law firm in ’00, one of the lawyers, a guy who played tennis for Princeton. had a ten year-old son whose soccer team was 0-11. The coach thereupon said to the boys, “come on you guys, you’re playing like a bunch of pussies.” When son told Mom, also a law grad, she had hubby fire off a letter to the league demanding that the coach’s firing. As I recall, she cited as authority the International Convention on Human Rights or some such.

      Explainer 21

      May 27, 2017 at 11:10 pm

      • Eppur si muove…or pussuove, rather.

        Jokah Macpherson

        May 28, 2017 at 1:13 pm

  5. I’m a parent and I don’t sit through it. You don’t have to have the kids play Little League. There are many outdoor activities that aren’t boring and instill the same values, if that’s what your looking for.
    The kids can take up Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, wrestling or Judo. They can play rugby or you can go hiking/canoeing with them. A lot of alternatives to Little League.

    Dave

    May 27, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    • This is true. The biggest advantage to playing traditional spectator sports, especially for men, is that the ability to BS about sports is a useful business skill, and playing sports will help give you an appreciation for the game.

      I never developed an interest in sports, but I still coach myself up on potentially relevant information when going into an important meeting or job interview. E.g., names of key players and coaches, where teams are in the standings, etc. It sure would be nice if this was something I found enjoyable, instead of being work.

      Wency

      May 27, 2017 at 10:55 pm

      • You could always get the Dudes-n-Bros Talking Points System:

        http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e82bb2585f/dudes-n-bros-talking-points

        Hermes

        May 28, 2017 at 1:35 am

      • Talking sports is easy even if you don’t know much about the sports in question and the people with whom you’re talking are hardcore fans. I’ve done so myself. The key is that when sport fans talk about sports they’re not interested in a back and forth dialogue, but instead just want to bloviate about their own opinions. All you have to do is add an occasional Oh definitely or For sure and everyone’s happy.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        May 28, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    • I was a little league star (I eventually played D-1), and I wish I’d spent all those years learning judo, although there’s really no reason it has to be either/or.

      VipLtd

      May 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm

      • If there’s indication the kid is fairly smart and athletic a neat hack into elite colleges is the obscure sport. It’s not even worth trying to compete in baseball and track and football because the competition is so stiff. But being a racketball star or a kayaking star or a cyclocross star is totally doable. You can get into the ivy league as one of these people.

        bobbybobbob

        May 28, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    • this is brilliant

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 28, 2017 at 10:07 am

  6. I normally find baseball boring, but I enjoy watching my eldest girl play softball. She’s in third grade. I think she will play this summer and next, and that’s it. After that it gets much more serious, with tryouts and expectation of “commitment”. I just want her to have some fun and be a bit more athletic. Youth sports have become obnoxiously serious.

    Steve@steve.com

    May 27, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    • It’s one of the new religions.

      JW Bell

      May 28, 2017 at 1:23 am

    • Steve, have her take up women’s pole vaulting or crew. If she’s good enough, she could get a scholarship. That’s the SWPL thing to do.

      Njguy73

      May 28, 2017 at 6:34 pm

      • Crew, lacrosse, those are good Ivy sports.

      • Is rugby big anywhere in the US? I’ve sort of decided that if he wants to, my son will play rugby, but not football. This is because I consider rugby to be simultaneously masculine yet also classy in a British-roots sort of way.

        (^ This is the snobbiest and most anti-prole thing you may ever hear me say, Lion!)

        SJ, Esquire

        May 28, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      • Fencing, of course. Not boring.

        Anthony

        May 29, 2017 at 7:09 am

      • Rugby classy? LOL. Are you high?

        not too late

        May 30, 2017 at 5:40 pm

      • Rugby is British and therefore has higher class than any American-created sports.

      • Rugby is British and therefore has higher class than any American-created sports.

        Exactamundo. Don’t make the lame and retarded mistake of thinking that because rugby is violent, that means it is low-class.

        S.J., Esquire

        May 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm

  7. I’ve sat through gymnastics, karate, soccer, and cheerleading. They were all boring. Bring a book.

    Mike Street Station

    May 27, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    • Cheerleading bored you?

      Maciano

      May 28, 2017 at 1:38 am

      • Cheerleading is slutty, should be banned.

        Yakov

        May 29, 2017 at 6:47 am

    • Gymnastics boring? I think it’s the most creative and fascinating sport there is. Also, I’d have suspected that you enjoy watching cheerleading because…….well, what guy doesn’t like to look at thin attractive girls moving their bodies? This is the reason that cheerleading, a sport once dominated by men, became mainly a female thing.

      Maryk

      May 28, 2017 at 9:26 am

      • These were middle school girls cheerleading, so it’s like a bunch of boys prancing around. Not very interesting. Gymnastics in theory should have been more interesting, but the skill levels were basic. It’s not at all like watching the Olympics.

        Mike Street Station

        May 28, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      • “Also, I’d have suspected that you enjoy watching cheerleading because…….well, what guy doesn’t like to look at thin attractive girls moving their bodies?”

        The combination of affirmative action and feminism has definitely impacted cheerleading for the worse. Looks are far less relevant than they once were. Quite a few of today’s cheerleader’s aren’t particularly attractive. In fact, some are 30-50+ pounds overweight. It all depends on the school.

        Lewis Medlock

        May 30, 2017 at 12:24 pm

      • “Quite a few of today’s cheerleader’s aren’t particularly attractive. In fact, some are 30-50+ pounds overweight. It all depends on the school.

        It’s really surprising but yeah, there are quite a few fatties cheerleading. I’m sure that never would have happened 30 years ago.

        Mike Street Station

        May 31, 2017 at 6:15 am

  8. My dad used to get drunk at my games years ago. Not that I blame the man.

    Stinko

    May 27, 2017 at 11:01 pm

  9. I honestly believe I have the greatest Little League story ever. Takes a while to tell but I’ll try to be succinct. It was 1968 and I was a skinny 11 year old facing a pitcher from the 1st place team who was the biggest kid in the league. He blows two fastballs by me and I’m destined to strike out but my Dad, sitting behind the screen, tells me to pull my right foot back to open my stance. So I do, and hit the next fastball over the fence. Next time up, same result. So now skip forward 36 years to ’04. I’m in the checkout at Safeway around 11:00 p.m and there’s a big moose standing behind me, about 6’3″/230. The clerk hands me my receipt and says, “thank you Mr. —”
    I walk out to the pitch dark lot and the big moose is following right behind. I thought it was curtains, but the guy goes. “Excuse me, are you —. —?” I go yeah. And he says, “I don’t know if you remember me but you once hit two homers off me in LL. so even though I’d never spoken to him before we had this big reunion and reminisced about mutual acquaintances.

    Marty

    May 27, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    • Great story!

      Reminds of David and Goliath. Great job on your father’s part, too.

      jjbees

      May 28, 2017 at 1:45 am

    • that is a good story

      Otis the Sweaty

      May 28, 2017 at 3:56 am

      • what did he end up doing for a living?

        Otis the Sweaty

        May 28, 2017 at 3:56 am

    • If you had gotten beaten up it might have been the greatest Little story ever. Feal free to modify it in the future.

      mark

      May 28, 2017 at 9:23 am

    • Yeah, that was interesting. Good for you for the homers! I’ve never saw a homer in little league. They’re pretty rare before age 12 or so.

      CamelCaseRob

      May 28, 2017 at 9:43 am

      • “I never saw a homer”.

        CamelCaseRob

        May 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm

  10. My 10 year old son just started a baseball training course 09.30~12.30 Sunday morning. We are in Hong Kong so the standard is woeful but I can see the attraction. Seems like a fantastic summer sport. I guess it should be boring to spend 3 hours watching nerds drop balls but it builds a bond with my boy as he can’t really/won’t communicate with the others in Cantonese so we may as well be alone. Coaches are Japan style and make them bow to everyone at the end, including the playing field, which I find quaint.

    Some of the local kids are blind as bats and have zero coordination. They spend all day cooped up inside and by the age of 10 have 4 hours homework a night. By 12 most have given up sport and spend all day Saturday and some of Sunday doing extra classes.

    Once you accept that you have to do these things for the child’s benefit, they cease to be boring. You take pleasure from seeing the kids enjoy themselves. I guess that’s why slaves are happy.

    Ulick McGee

    May 28, 2017 at 5:25 am

  11. Baseball was the most popular sport by far for kids in my home town. There were three different little leagues that ran concurrently from April – September.

    My two brothers and I played four years of little league and loved it. It was especially trying on my parents one year when we were each on a different team. They’d drive around the city catching two innings of each game, then rally us all up.

    I finally gave up my dream to be to be a major league player after I didn’t make the varsity high school baseball team for the second time my junior year in high school.

    E. Rekshun

    May 28, 2017 at 6:41 am

  12. What town in NJ are they from?

    By the way, be prepared for a semi-long observational analysis based on my recent two week trip to Europe. My wife and I were able to get our parents to watch the kids so we went to various countries in Central Europe. A lot of interesting observations from a nationalist perspective. I’ll try to get it up within the next week.

    JerseyGuy

    May 28, 2017 at 7:32 am

    • I am visiting Europe on vacation right now too. What cities u visiting on this trip?

      wt

      May 30, 2017 at 4:23 pm

  13. If you are a parent who attends regularly, you get to gossip with the other parents, who you get to know well. You can also volunteer to work the scoreboard and/or be the official scorer, which will keep you completely busy.

    CamelCaseRob

    May 28, 2017 at 9:41 am

    • My toddler was briefly in soccer. As an introvert I couldn’t bear having to mingle with the other parents. I like my daughter’s dance class, where I can just watch and not have to talk.

      SJ, Esquire

      May 28, 2017 at 8:46 pm

  14. Baseball is whats left of the traditional America that you guy’s pine for on here. You sound like a bunch of homo millenials whining about it some even in favor of uber-gay soccer.-Baseball enthusiast

    roxborough's son

    May 28, 2017 at 10:49 am

    • Indeed.

      not too late

      May 30, 2017 at 5:44 pm

  15. Baseball can be interesting when the pace is brisk. The problem is that the players need a minimum level of competency for the game to work. In timed sports like soccer, the game goes on even if the players have very little experience. They kick the ball back and forth, score a few goals, and play until the clock runs out.

    If baseball players lack certain specific skills, the game never ends. The players need to be able to field ground balls cleanly, throw accurately, and catch inaccurate throws. Pitchers need to throw strikes and catchers need to pick balls in the dirt.

    These skills only come with a lot of practice. Kids used to play pickup baseball way more than they do now, and that’s where they developed the muscle memory to perform all these tasks. Now they have fancy fields, equipment, and uniforms, but those things don’t make up for the lack of practice. So you end up with painfully boring games with dozens of walks and 25-20 final scores.

    Anon1

    May 28, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    • Baseball can be interesting when the pace is brisk.

      Anon1 makes many great points. I’ll add only that Big League baseball was once a quick-paced game. In 1926, the Yankees completed a doubleheader in 2 hours 7 minutes. Before the TV era, an average game took around 2 hours. The average today is around 3 hours. A lot of time is intentionally wasted at each half-inning break to show TV commercials.

      Mark Caplan

      May 29, 2017 at 12:14 am

      • As Bill James has pointed out, before 1935, when all games were day games, baseball games had to be moved along quickly before sunset. If an umpire had too many games called on account of darkness, he’d be fined.

        Njguy73

        May 30, 2017 at 5:12 pm

      • When you subscribe to MLB.tv you can get condensed games. These are the full game minus the balls and strikes where nothing happens. You just see the final ball/out per at bat and any pertinent stuff like pick offs or stolen bases but not foul balls, etc., where it doesn’t matter.

        not too late

        May 30, 2017 at 5:48 pm

  16. It looks like Biden will be running in 2020.

    I’m really not afraid of him. I mean, he’s better by far then any of the other Democrats but he is going to go all in on Black Lives Matter and open borders and it will kill his appeal. Also he is a jerk and the more people see of him the more they dislike him. And whereas Trump struggled against Hillary in the 1st and 3rd debates, he would crush Biden.

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 28, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    • Trump dominated the 2nd and 3rd debates. Biden is too old. Besides, elite pedophilia is out in the open now and the Dems can no longer hide or ignore Biden’s creepiness anymore. He’s a loser.

      Andrew E.

      May 28, 2017 at 8:10 pm

      • Biden too old? I hear that Jimmy Carter has been sending out feelers among donors and Party insiders about another run. He’s already lined up Walter Mondale as his running mate.

        Mark Caplan

        May 29, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      • America deserves a president in his 40s. Trump is too old and clearly not as cogent as he used to be. Reagan and Bush II basically went senile while still in office. 50+ is too old for the job in my opinion. The second Ron Paul campaign was laughable. He was just too old.

        bobbybobbob

        May 29, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    • Joe Biden will be too damn old at 78 years old in November 2020. To be fair, Trump will be too old (74), but he will just be running for another term.

      Thing is, Hillary is hinting she will run again. She’s too old and I believe she has too many health problems. Sanders is already too old, and Warren looks rather infirm when I see her in public. Ultimately, if we’re going to be stuck with another Baby Boomer, Biden is the best of the lot for everyone.

      Sid

      May 28, 2017 at 11:36 pm

      • All these people are too damn old. Trump is already showing signs of low stamina. He’s also going to have to face the issue that the more succesful he is the more “establishment” he starts to look, whereas if he fails, also not good. This is a problem of all outsider candidates.

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 29, 2017 at 7:10 am

      • Peter whispers into the ear: “You’re tired. You’re exhausted. It’s okay, you’ve done so much already. You can’t be expected to last all 4 years, let alone 8. Take it easy. Sleep in longer. Let me help out. Let me take on more of the load. It’s too heavy for one person.”

        Andrew E.

        May 29, 2017 at 5:48 pm

  17. The South Park episode where the kids keep trying and failing to throw their little league tournament games because they hate playing is a classic.

    Jokah Macpherson

    May 28, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    • Yes, that is incredible.

      Jack

      May 31, 2017 at 12:36 am

  18. Why were you at this game? Was a family member playing?

    Jack

    May 28, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    • I thought that was obvious.

      • I always imagined you semi-abandoning your family like Jim Morrison did in real life and George Costanza always dreamed of doing.

        Curle

        May 28, 2017 at 6:37 pm

  19. I don’t know why the Left thought they had something with the Kushner thing. With the Comey firing, intelligence leaks and especially the Comey memo those all appeared superficially like potential scandals. But the Kushner thing is just like, “what?”.

    I can understand the Left making up fake scandals, but why did they think this one was going to do anything? On NeoGaf they are in disbelief that the administration is basically admitting to committing “treason”.

    But it isn’t just NeoGaf or Dkos anymore. The Vox/New Republic crowd has also become noticeably more unhinged in the last 3 weeks. Their grasp of reality seemingly becomes weaker by the day.

    Otis the Sweaty

    May 28, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    • I guess they’ve not been informed that treason against the Deep State and treason against the US are different.

      Curle

      May 28, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    • Kushner is a liberal Jew so the Left was never going to go after him first. Remember that major puff piece about him and his analytics that supposedly “saved” the campaign? Anyway, having him and Ivanka in the Administration had the possibility to soften Trump and get him to do things he wouldn’t otherwise, which I believe may have happened in a couple instances.

      But the Left is desperate now. Nothing thus far has worked. Trump has withstood their strongest plays and now that he’s fired Comey, which was a seminal event in this drama, Trump is closing in on fully exposing the Left, Uniparty and the Obama Administration for their many crimes. So they are forced to play even their weakest cards to try and bring down Trump. It won’t work.

      Andrew E.

      May 28, 2017 at 8:20 pm

  20. Growing up in the late 70s and early 80s, soccer was non-existent in my Boston suburb. Little League baseball was the most popular; high school football and pee wee, midget, and high school hockey were popular. Basketball somewhat. Dirtbikes and, at 16 – 20 y/o, muscle cars.

    E. Rekshun

    May 28, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    • Around the NYC metro area suburbs, football, soccer and lacrosse are all more popular than baseball. Outside of Italian-Americans not that many whites are into baseball. Hispanics, primarily Dominicans, are most active on the diamond.

      Lewis Medlock

      May 30, 2017 at 12:33 pm

      • Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the MLB right now.

        not too late

        May 30, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      • @ not too late: Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the MLB right now.

        Trout has been the best player in MLB since he broke in the major leagues five years ago at age 20! Too bad he’ll be out for the next six to eight weeks.

        E. Rekshun

        May 30, 2017 at 6:38 pm

  21. In more interesting baseball news, the number of American blacks in Major League baseball has fallen off “big league.”:

    http://www.overthemonster.com/2016/6/2/11806176/mlb-black-players-decline-red-sox-chuck-d

    An unspoken cause of that is that when it comes to middling/utility/bench players pretty much all Major League Teams will prefer a Latino in that spot, due to the better attitudes and coachability (even taking the language barrier into consideration)

    Not to mention that American baseball is largely turning into a costly and travel/equipment-heavy “my dad pushes me along” kinda sport.

    Camlost

    May 28, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    • And a kid out of San Pedro de Macoris will sign for a fraction of what a Black American will sign for.

      Njguy73

      May 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    • Exactly right, coachability is the key, and Latin players don’t suffer from the Black Panther attitude, i.e. “Whitey ain’t got nuthin’ I need to hear.” Sportswriter sand other baseball commentators refuse I acknowledge this, so they’re forever mystified by the paucity of blacks. The problem long predates the rise of youth travel ball, so it ain’t a class thing.

      Violate

      May 28, 2017 at 11:03 pm

      • Blacks in the MLB are very fast, ie., Jarrod Dyson, Terrance Gore. I don’t know if the PR or DR players are as fast.

        not too late

        May 30, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    • I wonder how much the rise of illegitimacy and single moms is connected to the drop in black players. Baseball definitely seems like a sport where you need a father to push and encourage you. I got into baseball by playing catch with my father, and my son got into baseball by playing catch with me in the backyard. The days of kids playing stickball in the street are long gone.

      It would also be interesting to see how many professional athletes come from broken homes and see if there is a correlation.

      Peter Akuleyev

      May 29, 2017 at 7:16 am

      • Baseball definitely seems like a sport where you need a father to push and encourage you. I got into baseball by playing catch with my father, and my son got into baseball by playing catch with me in the backyard. The days of kids playing stickball in the street are long gone.

        I think you’re exactly right, and I’ve seen articles on this. My dad used to get home from work and play catch w/ me for 20 minutes every night in the summer. Nearly every day during the summer, my neighborhood friends and I would play wiffleball from sunup to sundown; we even kept stats.

        E. Rekshun

        May 30, 2017 at 6:43 pm

  22. A kid needs to practice sports that will help him in the evolutionary survival struggle. Baseball isn’t it. Waste of time.

    Yakov

    May 28, 2017 at 5:24 pm

  23. When I was eight years old I really really wanted to join this children’s baseball league (not LL) that several of my friends had joined. I pleaded with my father to let me join but he refused, telling me that I had to do more running first. Why, I don’t know, I wasn’t in poor shape or anything, but he was adamant.
    By the time the next season came along I had become afraid of the ball from having played pickup games and I didn’t even ask to join the league. I never played any other organized sports. I’ll never know how my life might have butterfly-effected in a wholly different and better course if my father had let me join that kids’ league. And if such things worked I’d hold a seance to ask my father why the f*** he wouldn’t let me play.

    ironrailsironweights

    May 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    • Yeah my parent wouldn’t let me join girl scouts either. Called me a “joiner.” Sheesh, I was 11 why not. I had no church, no clubs, no friends, nada.

      Hard growing up with a hipster.

      Mrs Stitch

      May 28, 2017 at 7:06 pm

      • Wow. Post more about this please.

        Complete opposite of my upbringing where everyone joined everything at all times (got exhausting). People said it made you ‘well rounded’ which was a big thing once.

        Curle

        May 29, 2017 at 12:47 pm

      • Ditto. My mom didn’t let me join anything. The only way I got to play sports was to run track because it was available during the school day as the last class of the day. She was severely introverted and I was more average aka I had more than zero friends.

        not too late

        May 30, 2017 at 6:02 pm

  24. I played sports as a kid to gain respect, learn team skills and get some exercise. But I never found any of the sports entertaining from a spectator standpoint. Over time I’ve come to believe that team sports teach important group coordination and subordination skills, that solo sports can help developer discipline and that finesse sports teach tactics. And that spectating teaches nothing.

    Curle

    May 28, 2017 at 6:49 pm

  25. This is good for kids:

    or this:

    I think both are a great combination.

    Yakov

    May 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm

  26. I find baseball boring as shit to watch no matter how old or how good the players. Even major league baseball is incredibly soporific to me. Thankfully my son isn’t interested. He plays lacrosse and that’s very fast moving and fun to watch.

    Tarl

    May 28, 2017 at 11:49 pm

  27. silly little man

    May 29, 2017 at 2:55 am

    • lion would do well to audit graeber’s youtube vids.

      the guy has got it!

      graeber is also, supposedly, from an nyc “prole” background.

      he’s a nerd, but that’s not declasse/outre by itself.

      i do it myself and chide myself for it. to no avail.

      he laughs too much.

      his tittering isn’t authentic. it’s…apologetic.

      this is the prole’s most refractory tell.

      “excuse me. i’m inarticulate. i didn’t mean what i just said.”

      it’s the hardest aspect of being a prole to beat.

      silly little man

      May 29, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    • Keynes, not too surprisingly, doesn’t get it. People can’t work 15 hours a week and get what they want, because want they want is to outcompete their peers. They want to be more successful than everybody else so they can attract the hottest girls or just so they can feel snooty toward their neighbors.

      Graeber ought to check out Slate Star Codex’s stuff on cost disease: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/

      He seems to have the idea that capitalism is supposed to prevent wasteful spending, but perhaps the reality is that, although there’s actually a ton of it, it’s still less than it would be otherwise; in other words, capitalism provides some kind of check on wasteful spending and bullshit jobs spiraling out of control forever.

      Greg Pandatshang

      May 30, 2017 at 11:26 am

      • Keynes, not too surprisingly, doesn’t get it. People can’t work 15 hours a week and get what they want, because want they want is to outcompete their peers. They want to be more successful than everybody else so they can attract the hottest girls or just so they can feel snooty toward their neighbors.

        There’s going to be the same status hierarchy if people work 15 hours a week or 40 hours or 60 hours (the only difference is that some will rise and some will fall at different hours). But if you’re only working 15 hours a week you do get the added benefit of only working 15 hours a week. It’s the fact that people will always be tempted to outwork their competition that makes it into a collective action problem that requires some kind of government or union mandate.

        Magnavox

        May 30, 2017 at 6:13 pm

  28. OT: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/28/us/kushner-trump-relationship-russia-investigation.html

    “Mr. Kushner remains infuriated by what he believes to be leaks about his team by Mr. Bannon, who has privately cautioned Mr. Trump against being “captured” by liberal, New York “globalists” associated with his son-in-law, according to three people close to the president.

    Mr. Trump, however, has had enough. He recently chided Mr. Kushner for continuing to call for Mr. Bannon’s ouster, saying he would not fire his conservative populist adviser — who has deep connections with Mr. Trump’s white, working-class base — simply because Mr. Kushner wanted him out, according an administration official.”

    “The most serious point of contention between the president and his son-in-law, two people familiar with the interactions said, was a video clip this month of Mr. Kushner’s sister Nicole Meyer pitching potential investors in Beijing on a Kushner Companies condominium project in Jersey City. At one point, Ms. Meyer — who remains close to Mr. Kushner — dangled the availability of EB-5 visas to the United States as an enticement for Chinese financiers willing to spend $500,000 or more.

    For Mr. Trump, Ms. Meyer’s performance violated two major rules: Politically, it undercut his immigration crackdown, and in a personal sense, it smacked of profiteering off Mr. Trump — one of the sins that warrants expulsion from his orbit.

    In the following days during routine West Wing meetings, the president made several snarky, disparaging comments about Mr. Kushner’s family and the visas that were clearly intended to express his annoyance, two aides said. Mr. Kushner did not respond, at least not in earshot.”

    IHTG

    May 29, 2017 at 4:33 am

    • For Mr. Trump, Ms. Meyer’s performance violated two major rules: Politically, it undercut his immigration crackdown, and in a personal sense, it smacked of profiteering off Mr. Trump — one of the sins that warrants expulsion from his orbit.

      God forbid Trump should actually try to fix any of these immigration issues rather than just spin with them and use them to manipulate his base.

      Magnavox

      May 30, 2017 at 6:14 pm

  29. Perhaps the most alt-right of sports for the Spartans on this site would be those pre-Columbian, Meso-American ball games. Sort of like basketball crossed with real tennis but with human sacrifice at the end.

    Certainly in modern England and America sumo wrestling would be the logical way to go–sitting in front of the telly stuffing yourself with pizza whilst telling yourself you’re putting in a training session for tomorrow’s bout.

    prolier than thou

    May 29, 2017 at 5:43 am

  30. The daughter of a woman I once barely knew received a scholarship to play volleyball for some small state college. Is volleyball prole or hipster?

    Tiger of the Cosmos

    May 29, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    • Is volleyball prole or hipster

      I don’t think it’s either, and instead view it as a mildly classy sport – in other words, it’s a sport I associate with the smart, well-rounded, high-achieving kids. It’s one of the only sports I’ve said I would probably play if I could go back and do life over again.

      S.J., Esquire

      May 30, 2017 at 8:19 am

    • Volleyball is played across all socioeconomic classes. Both proles and hipsters are not dominant groups.

      Lewis Medlock

      May 30, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    • Women volleyball players are the most attractive female athletes on the planet! The 2016 Summer Olympics were especially appealing!

      E. Rekshun

      May 30, 2017 at 5:59 pm

  31. at least they grow out of it quickly

    grey enlightenment

    May 30, 2017 at 4:00 pm

  32. OT: NYT, 05/29/17 – As Computer Coding Classes Swell, So Does Cheating

    …College students have flooded into computer science courses across the country, recognizing them as an entree to coveted jobs at companies like Facebook and Google, not to mention the big prize: a start-up worth millions…The exploding interest in these courses, though, has coincided with an undesirable side effect: a spate of high-tech collegiate plagiarism. Students have been caught borrowing computer code from their friends or cribbing it from the internet…Computer science professors are now delivering stern warnings at the start of each course, and, like colleagues in other subjects, deploy software to flag plagiarism. They have unearthed numerous examples of suspected cheating.

    At Brown University, more than half the 49 allegations of academic code violations last year involved cheating in computer science.

    At Stanford, the alma mater of the founders of Google, Snapchat and countless other internet wonders, as many as 20 percent of the students in one 2015 computer science course were flagged for possible cheating.

    And at Harvard…more than 60 students were referred to the university’s honor council, a committee that reviews allegations of academic dishonesty, such as plagiarism, and violations of the honor code…

    To some students drawn to the classes, coding does not come easily. The coursework can be time-consuming. Troves of code online, on sites like GitHub, may have answers to the very assignment the student is wrestling with, posted by someone who previously took the course…

    E. Rekshun

    May 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm

  33. It doesn’t make sense that there was an interstate Little League baseball game in May.

    ScarletNumber

    May 30, 2017 at 11:49 pm

    • Travel teams. My neighbor is at a little league tournament at Disney (1000 miles from home) with his 9 year old over Memorial Day weekend.

      Don’t think of it as an interstate game. Think of it as a regional league, with teams on both sides of a state border.

      blink

      bingbongbaloo

      May 31, 2017 at 12:05 pm

  34. Not liking baseball is un-American. Soccer is for fags.

    Daniel

    May 31, 2017 at 4:40 pm


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