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Prole rage in Orlando

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/us/orlando-fatalities/

This mass shooting in Orlando sounds like prole rage.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 5, 2017 at 10:24 am

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  1. Is there such a thing as SWPL rage?

    Oswald Spengler

    June 5, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    • No, but there’s self annhilating SWPLcide.

      JS

      June 5, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    • Yeah. If the kale smoothies and bacon pitas at the Williamsburg dive bar aren’t fresh, they’ll send a strongly-worded email to the Times.

      Njguy73

      June 5, 2017 at 8:59 pm

  2. What about that guy in Orlando couple years ago who killed the chimp who who was blasting rap from his car? Was that prole or UMC rage? I mean, I can recite Puccini’s operas by heart, and I can see myself doing the same thing.

    Mort

    June 5, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    • That guy was a software engineer at Kennedy Space Center. He wasn’t a prole, but surely had anger management difficulty. He’s doing life now at Florida State Prison.

      E. Rekshun

      June 5, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    • “killed the chimp”

      Yeah, I don’t know. Sounds to me like the murderer overreacted and deserves his life sentence.

      Horace Pinker

      June 5, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    • “killed the chimp…I mean, I can recite Puccini’s operas by heart…”

      Well, aren’t you sophisticated.

      Vince

      June 5, 2017 at 11:08 pm

  3. Initial thoughts.

    1. Agree, sounds like prole rage.

    2. If the shooter is white, the media will do everything possible to link him to Trump.

    3. If the shooter is white, we will hear a lot more “we must have gun control” trolling from the usual suspects.

    4. If the shooter is not white, this story will disappear by Wednesday.

    5. They know who it is but aren’t releasing a name yet, which suggests the shooter is non-white and obvious by the name, like Shawntavius or Jesus Something.

    peterike

    June 5, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    • 2. If the shooter is white, the media will do everything possible to link him to Trump.

      Not just linking to Trump but also making the point that he was not illegal, hispanic or muslim.

      It’s their way of keeping the focus of the real threat on Trump, his supporters and this “white male” as threat to the lqbqt/muslim/immigrant/sjw/feminist/blm/hillary/etc coalition.

      They need to maintain the Evil threat focus on Trump, American nationalism and Putin and Russian nationalism

      With the “good team” being led by the Silicon valley oligarchs, the media, the EU and wall street globalists.

      If the shooter is non White yes the story will disappear but before that it will be represented as a non White victim of workplace racism/xenophobia/islamophobia etc stirred up by the Trump campaign.

      Rifleman

      June 5, 2017 at 3:15 pm

    • Hector, Juan, Miguel, Carlos…Colon, Rodriguez, Garcia, Sanchez…

      Puerto Ricans/Caribbean Hispanics are a major demography in Orlando.

      JS

      June 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm

  4. His name is John Neumann, an Army Vet. So yes, a prole by all accounts.

    JS

    June 5, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    • Yes, a late-40s White male. Was fired two months ago from his blue collar job at an awning manufacturer. Returned to his former place of employment to seek vengeance on those that had wronged him, then offed himself. Was probably flat broke, in debt, unable to find a job, divorced and estranged from his teenage children.

      E. Rekshun

      June 5, 2017 at 6:00 pm

      • Prole:

        1) An Army Vet ✓

        2) A factory worker ✓

        3) Charged with DUI ✓

        4) * A bonus – he lived in Orlando ✓

        JS

        June 6, 2017 at 2:11 am

    • Why is being an Army vet significant to the story? He got out in 1999.

      Mike Street Station

      June 6, 2017 at 6:16 am

      • Don’t know. But it’s a dead giveaway that it’s prole to serve in the military for LoftB readers.

        JS

        June 6, 2017 at 9:11 am

      • Army vet is very significant. You need to keep a pit bull always in leash no matter how well trained. If nature takes over it WILL attack anyone.
        Now a military guy is trained to kill and are f@cked up in the head so there should always be someone like a parole officer checking up on them.
        Bad analogy maybe but mental health check is important for our vets. Most are damaged goods if been in combat.

        wt

        June 6, 2017 at 11:06 am

      • “Army vet is very significant. You need to keep a pit bull always in leash no matter how well trained. If nature takes over it WILL attack anyone.
        Now a military guy is trained to kill and are f@cked up in the head so there should always be someone like a parole officer checking up on them.
        Bad analogy maybe but mental health check is important for our vets. Most are damaged goods if been in combat.”

        This guy was never in combat; he got out in 1999, and he probably wasn’t even combat arms.

        Mike Street Station

        June 6, 2017 at 2:22 pm

  5. Are these mass shootings really up? Because the murder rate is half what it was in 1980. Likely due to mass incarceration, but I wish there were a better way.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/legacy_assets/articles/assets/Murders%201.bmp

    silly little man

    June 5, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    • They are down. And crime is way down. They just get much, much, much more attention than they used to due to social media, cable news, etc. Primary cause it due to mass incarceration, as well as more sophisticated policing techniques.

      I remember during the campaign that the Left complained that Trump was making too much of a big deal about the crime rate, as it has declined. Well, duh! The crime rate is down because we locked so many people in prison! What do they expect? And don’t they not like mass incarceration?

      JerseyGuy

      June 5, 2017 at 5:07 pm

      • JerseyGuy,

        This notion that crime is actually down is part of the Big Lie, only using statistics. Cities have been reclassifying crimes to lower levels for at at least 20 years, where an aggravated assault is downgraded to a property crime or where suspects are not arrested but simply given “contact cards.”

        The only type of crime that is very difficult to reclassify is murder, because of the dead body and the complaints from family.

        Here is the most important question you have to ask: if the statistics show that crime is going down, then does the statistic really tell us that people are attempting fewer crimes? If a statistic shows, for example, that the murder rate is going down over time, is it really because fewer murders are being attempted, or is it because trauma surgeons are better at saving people from gunshot, blunt-force, and sharp-force wounds? Same thing with property crime, assaults, rapes, burglaries, carjackings…every form of predatory crime out there.

        In fact, increasing prison populations should indicate that, in fact, crime is not going down, that the attempt to commit criminal acts is as high or higher than ever and that we are being fooled with statistical manipulations.

        map

        June 5, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    • is it just longer sentences for crooks? is it “community policing”? what is it…really?

      if homicide were regarded as a public health problem, it would be interesting to see “age adjusted” homicide rates.

      homicide seems to be a “problem” of young-ish males. males >= 18 and < 50.

      for example, age adjusted cancer incidence in the poor world is still half what it is in the rich world. this means that…so far as the stats can be trusted…there’s something about being “rich” which promotes cancer.

      silly little man

      June 5, 2017 at 5:56 pm

      • Ever since the Great Recession we’ve known government stats can’t be trusted. Unemployment is at 5% according to the government (the one that matters… I know U6 is obviously higher but still fabricated).

        Ever since the great election we know polling stats are bullshit and that they were purposely tampered with.

        Is there any source of information you’d actually trust at this point?

        Maybe climate data… chuckles…

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        June 6, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    • I like mass incarceration. It’s one of my favorite things about the U.S.

      Jay Fink

      June 5, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    • “Because the murder rate is half what it was in 1980. Likely due to mass incarceration, but I wish there were a better way.”

      There is a better way. It’s called mass repatriation. Which is effective only if Trump Builds That Wall.

      hard9bf

      June 6, 2017 at 10:08 am

  6. You people. When all you have is a hammer…

    Disgruntled, fired employee kills coworkers. Not a class thing. Read The Gift of Fear.

    Dave Pinsen

    June 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm

  7. There needs to be a reality tv show called “Prole Rage”.

    B.T.D.T.

    June 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    • There’s been one on TV since 1989. It’s called “Cops.”

      Njguy73

      June 6, 2017 at 10:08 am

  8. So is prole rage a specific type of beta male rage?

    It seems to me that all prole rage is beta male rage, but not all beta male rage is prole rage.

    Tom

    June 5, 2017 at 11:07 pm

  9. For some reason White guys going murder-nuts in this country never pick broadly meaningful targets, not since Oswald. Say what you will about the Arabs, I think Sailer’s correct that Sirhan Sirhan was registering a protest about the Six Days War.

    Maybe they are doing it and the story’s getting buried. I don’t sense that the fellow who flew a plane into an IRS building had his protest angle amplified much. And, of course, Oswald’s protest, whatever it was, got completely buried. Brevick, not an American, is the only very overt White protest killer who immediately comes to mind. Though I’ll concede I gather there’s been at least one anti-abortion killer.

    Curle

    June 6, 2017 at 1:43 am

    • A white guy in Portland, OR recently killed two SJWs who were white-knighting for a couple Vibrants, so that’s pretty cool. The local gaystream media keep calling them heroes, but I think the word they’re looking for is “idiots.” When there’s some crazy guy on a train telling a musloid to leave America, the correct action is get away from him, preferably into another car–the wrong action, QED, is to confront the crazy man. Idiots.

      hard9bf

      June 6, 2017 at 10:13 am

      • Wrong. If a crazy guy is harassing people, good citizens do something about it.

      • Whites have spent 50 years bending over backwards with nothing but a shit sandwich to show for it. So I see no reason to lift a finger to help people who hate me and mine. As far as I’m concerned the default rules of polite society no longer apply to them. Until they cut it out they can go rot.

        destructure

        June 6, 2017 at 1:49 pm

      • The crazy guy was harassing muslim invaders. He was correct to do so and the SJWs were wrong to defend the invaders. But the SJWs actually physically attacked him, going beyond mere verbal defense.

        Don’t be a cuck.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 6, 2017 at 3:06 pm

      • Lion. I must disagree here. It is almost always a very bad idea to get involved in public altercation. Dial a cop, record video (secretly for evidence) but do not intervene. That’s just common sense. Doesn’t matter who the targeted victim is. EVEN IF the victim is a nun or a ltitle kid, I am not getting involved. U don’t know who is carrying a gun in this country so optimal move is to report incident while moving away from the scene of the crime.

        wt

        June 6, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      • While I personally would be too chicken to intervene if two tough gangster types were beating up a frail old nun, I hope someone else would.

      • frail old nun is something different. We are talking about a crazy person VERBALLY harassing MUSLIM invaders. The violence was initiated by the SJWs.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 6, 2017 at 5:58 pm

      • @Otis: the SJWs actually physically attacked him, going beyond mere verbal defense.

        The liberal Orlando press is a bit alarmed that this might be his successful defense.

        E. Rekshun

        June 6, 2017 at 6:22 pm

  10. Orlando Sentinel, 06/06/17 – Orlando workplace shooting: Who is gunman John Neumann Jr.?

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html#nt=oft12aH-3gp2

    John Robert Neumann Jr. kept to himself most of the time and was somewhat secretive. He liked sports, going to Orlando City Soccer games and out to Daytona Beach for NASCAR races, his neighbor said.

    But he also had a dark side. As employees were arriving to work Monday morning, Neumann, 45, walked into Fiamma through a rear door. He opened fire, targeting five of his former coworkers at the business, which makes awnings for RVs and campers, before turning the gun on himself.

    He’d been fired in April and was having a really tough time with it, said his neighbor, Sam Anderson. He didn’t have a drivers license and biked to work nearly ever day, said Anderson, who knew him for more than five years. They had a cookout and some beers the night he was fired.

    “He was stressed,” he said about Neumann. “He didn’t say why he was fired, but would say ‘It was all my fault. It was all my fault.’”…

    Neumann, a veteran who was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army in 1999, had a “troubled” home life when he was a child, childhood friend Jayson Savage said…

    …deputies don’t know why he chose Monday for his rampage. But Anderson believes his timing had to do with rent being due Monday.

    “He told me he was broke and that he had spent every penny partying,”

    Neumann owned a boat and would go out some days and shoot at targets on the lake behind their homes in the Lake of the Woods mobile home park off U.S. Highway 17-92, Anderson said. Neumann lived alone and it did not appear that he had a concealed weapons permit. Neumann worked for the business for years before being fired in April. The reason for his termination is unclear.

    In 2014, he was accused of battering another employee at the business. Deputies investigated, but charges were never filed.

    He’s faced charges over the years stemming back to 1995 on larceny, fleeing and eluding law enforcement and several marijuana-possession charges.

    E. Rekshun

    June 6, 2017 at 2:48 am

    • His lack of a driver’s license is peculiar. Today it’s not at all uncommon for younger men to lack licenses and/or cars and have to depend on women to drive them around, but at age 45 Neumann wasn’t in that group.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      June 6, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      • I’d guess he lost it due to (multiple) DUI convictions or non-payment of fines.

        E. Rekshun

        June 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm

  11. Prole rage? Not even close to TNB. Just saying…

    Vincent

    June 6, 2017 at 10:56 am

  12. OT: Why a career in Accounting (might) suck someday.

    WSJ, 06/06/17 – Accountants Jump Into the Immigration Debate

    Major accounting firms and the industry’s trade group are trying to convince Congress to include accounting as part of the ‘STEM’ career fields

    Accounting is both art and science—but in a bid to help more foreign accountants work in the U.S., it is the science part that the accounting industry wants to emphasize.

    Major accounting firms and the industry’s trade group are trying to convince Congress to include accounting as part of the “STEM” career fields—science, technology, engineering and mathematics. Those areas get special consideration when the U.S. government determines which foreigners get visas to work in the U.S.

    Specifically, the industry wants to expand the STEM definition of “mathematics” to include accounting. The efforts by firms and the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants are cited in recent lobbying disclosure reports filed with Congress…

    Accounting firms said they aren’t seeking lower-paid workers, rather they want the best employees for their needs, wherever they are from. The AICPA said in a statement that the industry has “encouraged Congress to consider the future demand for certified public accountants, or CPAs, as it considers immigration reform.” …

    Some observers are skeptical. “I think it is a stretch to include accounting as one of the STEM disciplines,” said Ronil Hira, an associate professor of political science at Howard University who studies high-skilled immigration and outsourcing…

    “The companies see this as highly profitable. The fact that it undercuts U.S. accountants isn’t part of their calculations for decision-making,” Mr. Hira said…

    It wouldn’t appear that accountants are in short supply in the U.S. In fact, U.S. colleges are turning out more accounting graduates than accounting firms are hiring. According to AICPA figures, 81,782 people received U.S. bachelor’s or master’s degrees in accounting in the 2013-14 academic year, the most recent figures available. But only 43,252 of those degree holders were hired by CPA firms…

    Still, any attempt by the industry to bring in more foreign accountants will probably face pushback. “I think that when the industry makes these cases, they should be viewed with a lot of skepticism,” said Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that favors reduced immigration.

    If accounting were to be included in STEM, it could help foreign students who get accounting degrees at U.S. colleges and universities work in the U.S. longer after they graduate. Under immigration authorities’ Optional Practical Training program, foreign students can stay in the U.S. for a year after they get their degree, but students with STEM degrees can stay for three years.

    STEM degrees aren’t required for H-1B visas per se, but data from U.S. immigration authorities suggest more than 80% of the visas go to workers in the computer industry and other scientific and technical fields. So inclusion in STEM might give the accounting industry a boost.

    E. Rekshun

    June 6, 2017 at 11:25 am

    • Many big firms have already hired scores of visa holders to work for them. Many Eastern Euros/Ruskies when it comes to Whites, and plenty of Chinese and Indian workers. Accounting is now considered low end grunt work.

      JS

      June 6, 2017 at 12:21 pm

  13. so what do we think about the Comey testimony? I think it is going to be anti climactic.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 6, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    • I hate anti-climaxes.

      E. Rekshun

      June 6, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    • soured on Jeff Sessions, rather

      Magnavox

      June 6, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    • That’s not good news. Trump will never find a better AG.

    • Sessions thus far has conducted himself like a beta puppy dog rather than the alpha pitbull that is needed. And he apparently takes naps under his desk during workdays, where his workdays aren’t that long either it is said.

      Andrew E.

      June 6, 2017 at 7:01 pm

      • He should have been going after employers of illegal immigrants and the people, possibly even family, that provide living arrangements. But I don’t think that he should have been more high handed in his oversight of the Russia probe. The fact that Trump supposedly thinks that he should have and that his own firing of Comey was anything other than stupid is really not encouraging.

        Magnavox

        June 7, 2017 at 5:53 am

  14. I tell you statistics is a legitimate field of science. Many of you doubt it because of incoherent answers given by climate “scientists” in response to reasonable questions. Answers such as, “weather is not climate” when asked why climate models can supposedly predict temperatures 100 years out but cannot predict the weather two weeks out.

    In statistics this is nonsensical.

    When a statistician (or pseudo-statistician in the case of climate scientists) says they have a model that explains any kind of outcome what they mean in simple English is they have a mathematical representation (model) of explanatory (independent) variables that capture the magnitude to which these explanatory variables hold a causal relationship (not “correlation”) to an outcome (dependent variable).

    It is not necessary at all for a statistician to draw conclusions from a model. “Results are inconclusive” is a perfectly acceptable way to close out a scientific study.

    But the Greens have drawn a conclusion – the science is settled.

    The scientific conclusion they have settled on, in English, is:

    Global Warming (AGW) is occurring.
    They have measured the effect of various atmospheric influences (independent variables) on climate temperatures (the dependent variable).
    Explanatory variables impacting climate include changes in solar flare activity (changes which are currently impossible for NASA astronomers to predict in advance), ocean currents, those much maligned carbon levels, etc…
    Out of all variables, they have concluded man made carbon emissions have the most effect on projected climate conditions.
    The effect of carbon emissions, and other atmospheric influences, on climate are mathematically and accurately represented in their climate models.
    The degree of impact carbon has on climate is projected to have catastrophic consequences.

    Skeptics, targeting how much explanatory power the models actually have, go on to question how representative these models are of real trends by asking how they can predict climate but not weather.

    To this, the mainstream anti-carbon crackpots squawk back – weather is not climate!

    We call this talking point and those who make it crackpot because weather is informationally relevant to climate.

    Or, in mathematical language, the explanatory variables that impact weather and climate overlap with each other.

    From this it follows if explanatory variables for climate and weather overlap, and, if climate “scientists” do understand the actual scientific relationship between carbon and climate, then it should be possible for climate “scientists” to convert their statistical models of climate into accurate statistical models of weather conditions using climate variables that climate shares with weather.

    At least, if weather cannot be projected out on a day by day basis, on a decade by decade timescale.

    The fact they would not dare to predict weather beyond two weeks, let alone a century, using explanatory factors similar to the factors used in their climate projections indicates they do not have serious confidence in their expression of the relationship between the forces governing these highly complex atmospheric feedback loops.

    And if they do not understand these relationships, there is no reason to act on their anti-carbon recommendations.

    Weather is indicative of information about climate.

    At a minimum, not being able to predict weather using models similar to climate models seriously calls into question their “settled” position on climate.

    For them to insist that “weather is not climate” is as mathematically ridiculous as an economist saying –

    They have a regression model that predicts national consumer spending trends over 5 years using inflation, wages, unemployment rates, etc., as explanatory variables.
    The conclusion drawn from this economic model is that inflation is the most important variable.
    But their model cannot be adjusted to explain quarterly consumer spending on the state level.

    This, too, is ridiculous for the same reasons “Climate is not weather” is: Explanatory variables of national consumption rates overlap with many explanatory variables of consumption rates at the state level.

    Any economist who tacked on this lousy caveat about state spending at an academic conference of economists would immediately be bombarded with hostile questions about how he can conclude anything about national spending if his statistical reasoning cannot be converted to handle state spending.

    But this is precisely what climate “scientists” are saying by “Weather is not climate!”.

    No legitimately “settled science” spends so much energy evading questions with analogies this flimsy.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 6, 2017 at 6:40 pm


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