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Trump the bullshitter vs Comey the anti-bullshitter

Yes, Trump is a bullshitter. (Which is very different than being a liar, a distinction which the liberam mainstream media, willfully or not, refuses to understand. This is somethihng I mean to blog more about in the future.)

Comey strikes me as an anti-bullshitter. The bullshitter and the anti-bullshitter don’t mix.

Part of that comes from Comey being a criminal lawyer. Bullshit isn’t tolerated well in court. (Which is the complete opposite of a Senate hearing where there’s lots of bullshit from both Democrats and Republicans.)

And yes Comey is part of the Washington establishment, and the establishment hates Trump, but Comey has extra loathing for Trump because he hates bullshitters. (That must make Comey’s job extra difficult because all politicians are bullshitters, although none so much and in such a prole manner as Trump.)

I also get the impression that Comey really liked being the Director of the FBI. So he has a big chip on his shoulder about being fired.

Comey’s passive-agressive nature has come out more in these hearings. When Trump tried to pal around with Comey and get him to drop the investigation because Flynn is a "good guy," Comey, instead of disagreeing with Trump to his face, only agreed that he’s a good guy, and then wrote down a bunch of notes for his anticipated testimony later where he’d make Trump look bad.

Of course, who am I to criticize Comey for being passive-agressive? I could have forcefully adressed the problem of Indian BO by telling the transgressor about the American custom of showering and using deoderant, but instead I just complained about the problem on my blog.

Trump’s mistake in all this was treating Comey the way he’d treat some other real estate guy he was trying to get some concession from. That probably worked well enough for Trump when he was running a real estate and hotel management company and mostly dealing with other bullshitters, but he has not learned the government way of doing things.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 8, 2017 at 11:48 am

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  1. I could have forcefully adressed the problem of Indian BO by telling the transgressor about the American custom of showering and using deoderant, but instead I just complained about the problem on my blog.

    This isn’t really passive aggressive. If you left a note around the office to “shower” or went to management and complained, that would be passive aggressive.

    everybodyhatesscott

    June 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    • What Lion is doing is more like “venting to your spouse.”

      Gozo

      June 8, 2017 at 12:28 pm

      • Passive aggressive would be being pals with all the other Indians but shunning the smelly one and making weird faces whenever he was around.

        Gozo

        June 8, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    • Yes, or if you put a can of deodorant on his desk when he wasn’t there. If you put it there when he was there, it would be aggressive.

      There is nothing you can do, though, really, in this day and age. I mean, you can’t just walk up to someone in a modern NYC office and tell them they smell. In a bar you can do this, if you are badass.

      I once worked with an actual Oxford man who smelled terrible. That awful sour smell people have when they don’t bathe. I once overheard a phone conversation where he said he had “a medical issue.” Maybe it was related.

      Now he works for a consulting company in London, so I suppose it has not had a devastating effect on his career.

      The Shepherd

      June 9, 2017 at 3:51 pm

  2. “When Trump tried to pal around with Comey and get him to drop the investigation because Flynn is a “good guy,” Comey, instead of disagreeing with Trump to his face, only agreed that he’s a good guy, and then wrote down a bunch of notes for his anticipated testimony later where he’d make Trump look bad.”

    Comey did say that Trump’s desire to end the Flynn investigation “was of investigative interest” to the FBI, which is part of the reason he documented it with notes.

    “Trump’s mistake in all this was treating Comey the way he’d treat some other real estate guy he was trying to get some concession from. That probably worked well enough for Trump when he was running a real estate and hotel management company and mostly dealing with other bullshitters, but he has not learned the government way of doing things.”

    The so called “smoking gun” tape that convinced many Republicans in Congress to drop support for Nixon (which made it clear he would be impeached and removed from office) was a discussion between Nixon and his chief of staff about using the CIA to get the FBI to drop the Watergate investigation. (The burglars who were arrested in the DNC offices were anti-Castro Cubans who had worked as CIA contractors, so the FBI probably would have believed that the break in was part of some CIA operation). Nixon did not want to directly ask the FBI to drop the Watergate investigation, because he knew that the FBI would refuse that order.

    Trump directly asked the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation and asked the NSA and CIA directors to pressure the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation.

    On paper the President has the authority to order the Federal Government to drop any investigation or to start an investigation of anyone. For that matter the President could order the arrest of anyone. In principal the President could order the arrest of all members of Congress and the arrest of any Judge that declined to keep them in jail without bail. The only thing that prevents that are norms.

    Mike CA

    June 8, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    • “Trump directly asked the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation and asked the NSA and CIA directors to pressure the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation.”

      http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/politics/russia-hearing-dan-coats/index.html

      “”I have never felt pressured to intervene in the Russia investigation in any way,” Coats told members of the Senate intelligence committee when asked about such reports.”

      “Rogers said, adding he has never felt pressured to do anything unethical. “I do not recall feeling pressured to do so.””

      IHTG

      June 8, 2017 at 1:48 pm

      • Coats and Rogers said they never felt “pressured” to intervene in the Russia investigation, but they refused to answer the question of whether Trump asked them to intervene, as has been reported by the Washington Post. Senators asked them if they were asserting executive privilege to not discuss their communication with the president and they said no. Senators then asked them on what ground they were refusing the answer the question. They replied that they had no grounds. They just were not going to answer the question.

        These are the heads of the intelligence agencies testifying before a Congressional committee responsible for oversight of the intelligence agencies. They are refusing to answer a simple question about a non-classified matter and they cannot explain why they are refusing to answer the question.

        If you still think Trump did not ask them to intervene in the Russia investigation, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying at a HUUUUGE discount.

        mikeca

        June 8, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    • “For that matter the President could order the arrest of anyone”

      The tyrant Lincoln did that in spades, yet he remains the Great American Hero.

      “In principal the President could order the arrest of all members of Congress and the arrest of any Judge that declined to keep them in jail without bail.”

      That would be totally awesome. I would take an actual Trump dictatorship in a second.

      peterike

      June 8, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    • What did Nixon in was the language he used in the tapes and that the public had completely turned on him. Also Nixon really did engage in a criminal conspiracy to cover up whatever it was that happened with Watergate.

      Trump saying that he “hoped” Comey could let the Flynn investigation go simply does not qualify as obstruction. It was inappropriate, but it doesn’t pass the legal muster for obstruction of justice.

      As for Trump trying to influence other agencies to get Comey to drop the case, that has been explicitly denied in public by all the relevant parties. Now, I don’t necessarily believe that but it is all we have to go on and given that Comey today confirmed that a lot of what we have seen in the press about this really is fake news, that issue is settled until proven otherwise.

      In any case, there are 2 huge differences between whatever this is and Watergate:

      1. There are no tapes. It was the tapes that did Nixon in.
      2. The country is much more polarized along partisan lines than it was during Nixon’s time. It would literally cause a civil war if Trump was impeached.

      Otis the Sweaty

      June 8, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      • “As for Trump trying to influence other agencies to get Comey to drop the case, that has been explicitly denied in public by all the relevant parties.”

        They gave classic Washington non-denial denials. They said they did not feel “pressured” to intervene in the Russia investigation, but they refused to answer the question of whether Trump asked them to intervene. When Senators asked them why they would not answer that simple question, they had no explanation. They sent the message loud and clear that Trump had asked them, while at the same time refusing to publicly say that so Trump will not fire them too.

        “Trump saying that he “hoped” Comey could let the Flynn investigation go simply does not qualify as obstruction. It was inappropriate, but it doesn’t pass the legal muster for obstruction of justice.”

        Trump cannot be prosecuted for obstruction of justice as long as he is president anyway. Whether this passed the legal test for obstruction also depends on motive. Was Trump trying to stop Flynn from being prosecuted for something like lying to the FBI so he would not talk about some much more serious crime?

        We don’t really understand why trump is so interested in protecting Flynn, but the impression I got from Comey’s testimony was Comey’s instinct was that Trump’s request meant Flynn had information on something damaging to Trump or his family.

        “The country is much more polarized along partisan lines than it was during Nixon’s time. It would literally cause a civil war if Trump was impeached.”

        I think impeachment and removal from office is very, very unlikely. If Democrats were to take control of the House in 2018, it is possible they might impeach Trump, but removal takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate and it is unlikely enough Republican Senators would vote for removal unless the Republican base deserts Trump. Even if it is proven Trump was running a child sex slave ring out of the basement of the White House, I doubt you could get the votes to remove in the Senate.

        mikeca

        June 8, 2017 at 7:57 pm

      • Trump saying that he “hoped” Comey could let the Flynn investigation go simply does not qualify as obstruction. It was inappropriate, but it doesn’t pass the legal muster for obstruction of justice.

        In Comey’s prepared remarks Comey said he interpreted this request to refer to the investigation into Flynn’s discussion with the Russian ambassador, not the broader intelligence probe. Comey even admitted to the Senate regarded the intelligence and ambassador investigations to be, in his own words, “separate”.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 8, 2017 at 9:01 pm

      • ” Even if it is proven Trump was running a child sex slave ring out of the basement of the White House, I doubt you could get the votes to remove…”

        An example that would have applied to the former President as well.

        Mike Street Station

        June 9, 2017 at 6:28 am

      • mikeca,

        What part of this do you not understand? Watergate was an actual crime. The investigations regarding Flynn, the Russians and obstruction have no actual crimes behind them. Again, where is the violation of a statute? Who has been arrested?

        The beginning of Watergate was an actual burglary. There is nothing equivalent going on here.

        Since there is no crime and since this is only a political witch-hunt, intelligence oversight members don’t have to answer congressional questions. If Congress does not like that, then have the people arrested or held in contempt.

        map

        June 9, 2017 at 10:39 am

  3. How is it that Comey could leak his own memo to a Columbia professor abd that not being a crime ?

    Bruno from Paris

    June 8, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    • Yep. A memo written by the FBI Director detailing a private conversation with the President of the United States about matters of state would certainly fall under executive privilege and then make it illegal for Comey to leak. And worse, he admitted to committing this illegal act to get a special counselor appointed. So 1) Comey needs a good lawyer and 2) Mueller should be required to step down and his investigation terminated.

      Andrew E.

      June 8, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      • Obviously, you do not understand executive privilege.

        Executive privilege is not mentioned anyplace in the constitution. It was invented by the courts. A president or some other high level government official can assert executive privilege when subpoenaed by Congress or the Courts. The Supreme Court has ruled that executive privilege is a qualified privilege. In the end Nixon was forced to hand over his tapes to Congress although he tried to protect them claiming executive privilege.

        In this case Comey is a private citizen. He offered to testify and Trump did not attempt to make a claim of executive privilege to block his testimony, probably because all the lawyers told him he would lose.

        Trump in his business makes everyone sign NDA agreements and sues any employees caught leaking information about his business. That is not the way the government works. The Trump administration has more leaks than any administration in my lifetime. Leaks of classified information are illegal, but leaks about what goes on in non-classified meetings in the White House are not illegal. Clearly the president can fire anyone he finds leaking, but it is not a crime. Some White House reporters claim that on many days there are 15-20 White House employees calling them to leak information. Trump could fire them if he can find them, but I’m guessing many of them would not care if they were fired at this point.

        In this case, since Comey had already been fired, Trump could not fire him again for disclosing what he had said.

        mikeca

        June 8, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      • Wrong. Comey’s memo was a work product and thus belonged to the government, in this case the Executive and that’s Trump. It wasn’t Comey’s to leak. He’s in trouble.

        Andrew E.

        June 8, 2017 at 9:24 pm

      • “Wrong. Comey’s memo was a work product and thus belonged to the government, in this case the Executive and that’s Trump. It wasn’t Comey’s to leak. He’s in trouble.”

        Comey did not give copies of the memos to anyone. He told a friend that the memos existed and what the contents of the memos were. The memos were not classified or contain classified information, so it is not illegal to disclose the content of the memo. The argument that the memos were a work product and therefore owned by the government and Trump is bogus and stretches credibility.

        mikeca

        June 8, 2017 at 9:59 pm

      • The story is now about Comey, not Trump. Yuge win for Trump today. Time for a lengthy, drawn out investigation into exactly what Comey was up to as Director with lots of innuendo and little benefit of the doubt given in the public debate.

        Andrew E.

        June 8, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      • mikeca,

        “Comey did not give copies of the memos to anyone. He told a friend that the memos existed and what the contents of the memos were. The memos were not classified or contain classified information, so it is not illegal to disclose the content of the memo. The argument that the memos were a work product and therefore owned by the government and Trump is bogus and stretches credibility.”

        If there was nothing potentially illegal about handing memos to a civilian, then why did he not just hand the memos over to a civilian? Why merely “tell” him about it?

        Besides, this is a manipulation of form over substance. If a memo cannot be transferred, then it is because of the information the memo contains. Transferring that information anyway is just as much of a problem as handing it over directly.

        map

        June 9, 2017 at 10:45 am

      • Comey wouldn’t do anything illegal.

      • As someone who has actually worked with sensitive government information — Running to a friend who does not have a security clearance and telling him details of your work, particularly with intent to leak those details to the media purely for political reasons, especially details of meetings of higher-ups, would definitely be grounds for firing.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        June 9, 2017 at 3:31 pm

      • It wasn’t classified information. The leak was underhanded but not illegal.

    • His memo wasn’t classified. And I don’t think it’s a matter of law that you doesn’t repeat what the president told you in private, just common courtesy (obviously there will be special cases, attorney/client etc.). His memo was just a memo-to-file prepared in case of need, and not officially requested.

      Anthony

      June 8, 2017 at 4:32 pm

    • It might be:

      https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/08/did-comey-violate-laws-in-leaking-memo/

      Crime or not, Comey’s admission that he himself was a leaker pretty much confirms what many of us thought, that he wasn’t seriously investigating the leaks from Deep Staters within the Trump administration.

      Richard

      June 8, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    • His memo wasn’t classified.

      Arguably any memos, of any kind, belong to the FBI and are subject to FBI record keeping laws even for former agents.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 8, 2017 at 9:02 pm

  4. Trump directly asked the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation and asked the NSA and CIA directors to pressure the FBI to drop the Flynn investigation.

    You’re even more delusional than usual. It’s going to be a long 8 years for you.

    Andrew E.

    June 8, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    • I guess this means even you cannot defend what Trump did.

      mikeca

      June 8, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      • Trump did nothing wrong and there is no proof that he did anything wrong. There is only innuendo or hearsay from non-credible witnesses like Comey.

        map

        June 9, 2017 at 10:46 am

  5. Lion is spot on. Trump was just treating Comey the way he treats people on the golf course or at a fancy real estate gala in New York. I wish someone would just come out and say that Trump is just too prole to concoct some nefarious plan to work with the Russian government. He’s just a guy that shoots from the hip. He DOES NOT have the intentions to install some secret right wing government. He just wants to build a bunch of factories and roads across America. That’s pretty much it. That’s why this whole investigation is so insane to me. The Left is truly in their own bubble.

    JerseyGuy

    June 8, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    • So true. The spin in Washington never stops. Chris Matthews has seamlessly segued from the Russia thing to obstruction, without any hint of embarrassment. Are we supposed to forget 6 months of lying?

      To me the two things that really stand out are:
      – Comey leaked government documents (despite his weaseling attempt to deny it)
      – Comey purports not to know whether failing to report possible obstruction is a crime.

      You say this guy is a lawyer?

      Despite my visceral dislike of the ma, Lindsey Graham is right. There will be no obstruction of justice charge and the Comey knows it.

      gda

      June 8, 2017 at 4:14 pm

  6. Why not leave a nice gift basket including shower soap, shampoo, and deodorant (along with a couple of other items like moisturizer) on offender’s desk before work with a note saying something like, “So happy to have you as a coworker. Please enjoy on behalf of the office”.

    The smelly co-worker will get the message that 1) he smells and 2) that’s the office consensus. But there’s no rude letter to set him off, and even non-smelly people give each other shower supply gifts all the time.

    We once got a delivery of this stuff accidentally, and when we called the company to let them know they could pick it up, they were confused, as they’d already written off the bad delivery. So we put it in a nice basket and gave it to a neighbor who’d just had a kid and she loved it (Clarification for spergs: it’s got to be an assortment of semi-fancy stuff to get that reaction. If you put a bow on a bar of soap and hand it to someone, you will offend them.).

    Dave Pinsen

    June 8, 2017 at 2:57 pm

  7. Does Comey wear make-up? He looks like a doll, a kind of ghoulish man-doll.

    bonzojohnzo

    June 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    • He’s got a gay-pedo face.

      map

      June 9, 2017 at 10:49 am

  8. So I guess there is an answer in on the point of why ISIS struck before Euro elections- the polls in the UK turned after their terror attacks.

    Same thing with LePen- people thought she had a shot a breaching 30% in round 1 which would have given her the whip hand. Instead the dive seemed to start with the French attacks.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    June 8, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    • It was very stupid of May to call the election. She had a working majority and forcing an unnecessary vote (who wanted one? People view elections as a grueling chore) was tempting fate. Then after forcing this chore on people, to show contempt for everyone’s efforts by refusing to debate Corbyn because you think you have it in the bag ……… it’s hubris, it’s begging for a comeuppance that people will relish giving you.

      If it’s bad enough this is going to be the excuse the Establishment was looking for to cancel Brexit.

      Richard

      June 8, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    • A month ago everyone thought it was a genius move and that the only reason not to do it was it didnt seem very “sporting” to give such a drubbing to Labor who were saddled with Corbyn.

      It it wasnt just a poll anomaly- local elections last month proved that teh Tories were way out in front.

      Clearly something changed in the countries mode- I’d I’ll float it was the ISIS terror attacks.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      June 9, 2017 at 7:44 am

      • “A month ago everyone thought it was a genius move”

        Not me. Peter Hitchens wrote a column back in April that I largely agreed with:

        http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/04/oh-no-not-again-could-this-be-the-election-that-goes-wrong-why-did-she-call-it.html

        There has been a major British election in four consecutive years: the Scottish independence referendum, the 2015 GE, Brexit, and now May’s faceplant. It’s grinding. I’m not even British and I felt exhausted when May, for entirely self-interested reasons, announced yet another turn on the wheel. She was gambling with people’s patience. Except for too-clever-for-their-good Tory strategists, NOBODY wanted an election and that should have been a heeded warning.

        Richard

        June 9, 2017 at 11:20 am

  9. Comey is not an anti-bullshitter. He just has his own brand of bullshit.

    Leaking to the media stuff that hurts Trump while hiding the fact that Trump was not under investigation? It sure seems like he was hoping to find something.

    I wondered why the media went apoplectic after Trump fired Comey. To those in the know, he was their man on the inside to find a way to get Trump.

    The FBI should not interfere with politics barring provable crimes. Comey’s harassment of Trump has nothing to do with that. Even if Trump colluded with the Russians, that’s not illegal. Having the FBI investigate just because, without a crime, is total BS.

    Dan

    June 8, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    • “Leaking to the media stuff that hurts Trump while hiding the fact that Trump was not under investigation?”

      That’s what I said before about Comey being a passive-aggressive snake in the grass, but that’s not the same as being a bullshitter.

      • I took “anti-bullshitter” to mean a straight shooter or a person of integrity. That he is not.

        Dan

        June 8, 2017 at 10:39 pm

      • Cindy is your typical over educated bullshitter. He hides his bullshit in nuance and sophistication but at the end of the day his ideas are built on a swampy foundation. Full pun intended.

        He’s also your typical stick up the ass republican type (I know he is a dem) who worked in banking/finance. He thinks his experience in the “real” world entitles him to a bigger seat at the table and that he is the “adult” in the room.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        June 11, 2017 at 4:59 pm


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