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Some angry prole white men with guns are Democrats

It’s notable that yesterday’s shooter is 66 years old. Once upon a time, the Democrats were the party of prole whites. That was the Democratic party of FDR. My prole grandfather who drove a delivery truck only voted for Democrats, and hated Republicans because they were the party of the rich, and he would never read the New York Times because that was the newspaper of rich Republicans. (Or so my father told me. The one thing that has remained constant is that the New York Times is still the newspaper of the wealthiest New Yorkers, and proles still read the Daily News and the New York Post.)

If the shooter has been in his 20s, he probably would have been a Republican.

It’s worth pointing out that if someone shot up an abortion clinic, liberals would have blamed conservative anti-abortion rhetoric. So it’s equally fair in this case, if not more fair, to blame anti-Trump rhetoric from liberals for this shooting.

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The rent for the apartment in Brooklyn (near the Belt Parkway in Brighton Beach) where my grandparents used to live is now $1975/month. I doubt that a delivery truck driver could afford it today.

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June 15, 2017 at 6:59 am

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  1. “Some angry prole white men with guns are Democrats”

    Seriously?

    The correct formulation is that most Leftists are angry. This just got got pushed over the edge by his hate-o-sphere.

    Lion of the Turambar

    June 15, 2017 at 7:23 am

    • There isn’t much difference between yesterday’s shooter and a Trump supporter.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 15, 2017 at 8:23 am

      • I think Hodgkinson is somewhat of a relic to the Old Left, which is pretty much collapsed at this point. Blue-collar Trump supporters, of which I know a few quite well, basically want to be able to do blue-collar work without very many government regulations, while being paid a middle class wage. The vast majority don’t care if it’s for an executive making $450K a year. Trump, Bannon and a few others got that. The Left doesn’t get it.

        The working class is never going to start a revolution. Doesn’t mean that they are lesser people. It’s just how it is….

        JerseyGuy

        June 15, 2017 at 8:40 am

      • The fact that living in America makes one a prole by default is indicative of everything about the country. Americans are abrasive and parochial. 2 key traits of what I think characterize a prole, and most important, 2 key traits that define anyone leaning right or becoming reactionary. Remember, America isn’t a liberal country in any sense, far from it. Democrats lean right as much Republicans do, but on different issues. Republicans are reactionary when it comes to non-whites and globalization, and Democrats are reactionary when it comes to national or cultural unity.

        JS

        June 15, 2017 at 9:00 am

      • why bring Otis into it

        Lion o' the Turambar

        June 15, 2017 at 10:17 am

      • “There isn’t much difference between yesterday’s shooter and a Trump supporter.”

        Only if one stereotypes by economics and class. But there’s a world of difference when it comes to beliefs, values, behavior, etc. I’m under the impression you think Hogkinson was just a regular working class Joe no different than the Trump supporters except for his belief that Dems were “for the working man”.

        From what can tell he was full tilt lefty adopting a foreign kid, ranting about the GOP hating women minorities and working people. He was even ranting about legalizing marijuana. I don’t think Hodkinson is like your grandfather’s Democrats.

        destructure

        June 15, 2017 at 11:22 am

      • I’ve known a number of white male proles with strongly leftist political views. In my experience, the big difference between them and other proles is that they strongly value education, especially in themselves, but they never really got that far in it due to their intellectual limitations. They tend to vividly remember their high school teachers and what they taught, for example. (In contrast, if you’ve graduated from a real four year program, you know people who get into K-12 teaching aren’t the best and brightest, and subsequently don’t take what you were taught in class so seriously. Unless you’re Lion and Frank McCourt was one of your teachers.)

        As educators tend to be left-wing, proles who value education adopt strongly left-wing views and blame rich people for all the world’s problems. It’s not just the skepticism of big business you find in the alt-right: it’s an ironclad conviction that corporations are the source of most of the world’s problems. Not surprisingly, they love love love Bernie Sanders.

        What’s funny is that leftist proles are often great people to talk to about things other than politics. They have the prolish love of practicality and being down to earth, but they’re less inclined to fall trap to some of the weirder things right wing proles like (Evangelical Christianity, hunting animals, nostalgia for the Confederacy). That said, talking politics with them is absolutely painful, because they’re not smart and hence throw left-wing mantras at you and feel more and more hurt and viciously insecure when you use cold logic to slice up their arguments. Their Facebook feeds are full of vitriolic political rants and snarky DRUMPF links, so you ultimately can’t become friends with them.

        Sid

        June 16, 2017 at 3:31 am

      • “I’ve known a number of white male proles with strongly leftist political views. In my experience, the big difference between them and other proles is that they strongly value education, especially in themselves, but they never really got that far in it due to their intellectual limitations.”

        The older ones are usually gainfully employed. Hodgkinson made a decent living as a home inspector. His problem wasn’t economic. He was tubby, but not otherwise in bad shape.

        I hope he’s sui generis and not a trend. Lots of guns, lots of angry people, and freedom = lots of bang bang.

        gothamette

        June 18, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    • theres an enormous correlation between being very interested and emotionally involved in politics and being angry/resentful/ and a loser. theres no discrimination on either the right on the left on this part.

      james n.s.w

      June 15, 2017 at 10:41 am

  2. Lion,

    As you are aware, the Left has completely gone off the rails. A large portion (although to be fair, not all) truly do believe that Trump is attempting to install some right-wing, Evolian-style government. As I’ve said before, Trump really just wants to build a bunch of highways and factories across America and have a few military parades without getting into any big wars. I read his book “Great Again” before the election. That’s pretty much his entire agenda. And I’m perfectly happy with that at this point. He’s not a deep person and really doesn’t pretend to be.

    Even Steve Bannon is not really extreme in any meaningful sense of the word. If he were to take power, we basically would have the government of Dwight Eisenhower, with large infrastructure projects and tough immigration enforcement. That would be fine by me!

    Again, the Left is crazy. It’s cliche to say but it’s true that they never go outside of their bubble. They’ve never met a native born American who paints houses or mows lawns for a living (although plenty do even in the Tri-State Area). They really don’t know anything. “Out of touch” may be a cliche, but it’s absolutely correct.

    By the way, my family is moving to the Midwest. The fact that they are charging almost $2,000 for what is most likely a walk-up in Brighton Beach just shows how messed up the Greater New York City area has become. I’m sad about leaving but I know it’s for the best.

    JerseyGuy

    June 15, 2017 at 8:33 am

    • “As you are aware, the Left has completely gone off the rails.”

      Are you aware that the right went completely off the rails when Obama was elected? For years they promoted the ridiculous conspiracy theory he was not a US citizen because he was born in Kenya.

      Now you may think that the charges of collusion with the Russians is just as baseless as the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, but the US CIA and FBI both believe that the Russians tried to interfere in the US elections to favor Trump and oppose Clinton. I doubt that the Russians actually believed Trump could win. I suspect the Russians did this mostly to de-legitimatize Clinton who they expected to win and did not like at all.

      The CIA and FBI both believe there are questions about connections between figures in the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The CIA and FBI would not take this seriously if there was not some evidence to support it. Clearly there is not iron clad proof, or people would have already been arrested, but they think there are issues worth investigating.

      mikeca

      June 15, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      • Read Moldbug. This is all predictable.

        JerseyGuy

        June 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm

      • Are you aware that the right went completely off the rails when Obama was elected? For years they promoted the ridiculous conspiracy theory he was not a US citizen because he was born in Kenya.

        Mostly kooks that nobody took seriously. That’s to be expected. Did the Republican party? Did major Republican politicians repeatedly call for Obama’s impeachment based on “the Kenya thing?” Did they drag members of his cabinet before congress to talk about that issue?

        The CIA and FBI would not take this seriously if there was not some evidence to support it.

        And you implicitly trust them? The CIA are the same guys who overthrow governments to protect the profits of fruit companies. Ever heard of MKULTRA? Do you believe in remote viewing? Those serious guys at the CIA sure did – for sixteen years!

        Clearly there is not iron clad proof,…

        …and not one reason to believe there should be.

        Stealth

        June 15, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      • How many ‘Republican’ media outlets, to the extent there are any deserving of the name, endorsed the Kenya claim?

        WAPO and the NYT are the D establishment and they’ve been promoting this claptrap all along.

        Curle

        June 15, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    • Yeah, but no more insane anti-gun “laws” out in the Midwest. Buy up. I sure as hell would.

      El Hombre

      June 15, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    • They’ve never met a native born American who paints houses or mows lawns for a living (although plenty do even in the Tri-State Area).

      You are confusing left with “elite”. A lot of leftists are all too familiar with native born Americans. The most virulent leftists I know are all smart people who grew up in rural white towns in places like Georgia, New Hampshire, and Kansas and came away with an abiding hatred of white proles. A lot of them don’t even hate Trump that much, or at least not any more than they hated Bush. Trump is deeply hated by most of the upper middle class in this country, whether Dem or GOP. That is the historical difference between Trump and his GOP predecessors and why he is probably doomed.

      Peter Akuleyev

      June 16, 2017 at 4:23 am

    • Trump has repeatedly said Eisenhower is his favorite President

      Dsgntd_plyr

      June 16, 2017 at 8:57 am

  3. In the 1960s and 1970s there was lots of political violence by both the right and left. You had the assassinations of John Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy. There was the attempted assassination of George Wallace. There was violence against and murders of civil rights activists. There were terrorists groups, like the Weatherman and the Symbionese Liberation Army. There were armed groups like the Black Panthers and the KKK, There were the Watts (1965) and Detroit (1967) riots.

    The relatively peaceful college town I lived in for much of this time saw anti-war protest demonstrations that broke windows as well as some pipe bombs that damaged buildings. As best as I can remember no one was seriously hurt, but there was violence all around.

    The political violence today has not risen to that level yet, but it is none the less disturbing. In the 1960s you really never heard the kind of violent rhetoric you hear today. I’m sure if you went to some fringe group meeting you would hear it, but it was not on TV or in newspapers and there was no internet.

    Today TV and radio has over the top rhetoric and the internet is full of violent threats. I find it very disturbing that I frequently see pictures of people carrying assault rifles at public events. I am also very disturbed by the creation of the black-clad antifascist groups that have engaged in violent protests.

    I worry that the country is slipping back into the violence of the 1960s.

    mikeca

    June 15, 2017 at 10:38 am

    • “I worry that the country is slipping back into the violence of the 1960s.”

      Your side was causing the trouble back then, too.

      destructure

      June 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      • There definitely were left wing groups like the Weatherman, Symbionese Liberation Army and the Black Panthers, but there were right wing groups too, like the KKK and other groups that attacked and in some cases murdered civil rights activists.

        People claiming all political violence is caused by left wing are forgetting about things like the Oklahoma City bombing that killing 168 people and injured 680+.

        mikeca

        June 15, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      • I think a lot of current society and its shape can be traced to the violence of the ’60’s riots. All kinds of current policy that no one examines the basis for.

        There were a lot of cities heading Detriots direction. including NYC. Its interesting to look back at 70’s movies and see how certain people were that the decline of the city was inexorable. Even Jeff Goldbloom was marauding.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        June 16, 2017 at 8:01 am

      • I’ll tell you something about those “civil rights activists”. They were deliberately inciting violence. My dad was attacked by one of their racist mobs. Fortunately, he was able to shoot his way out of it. God bless the 2nd amendment.

        As for McVeigh, I disagree with his method but his grievance was legit. The government was out of control under the Clinton’s. They were murdering people at Ruby Ridge an Waco.

        In both instances, the right was reacting not instigating, That’s why communists such as yourself call them “reactionaries”. Like I said, your side causes the trouble. You just can’t mind your own damn business.

        destructure

        June 16, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    • The Left wants to exterminate white people. That is what motivates their rhetoric.

      map

      June 15, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      • Some do. I would not say most of them want to exterminate us. What is certain is that anti-white animus resides at the core of liberalism.

        All of their other positions and beliefs, regardless of how long they’ve been held, are subject to change depending on circumstances. For instance, ten years ago, a liberal might have told you that the CIA is filled with evil white men who got black folks hooked on crack cocaine. Now, they think the CIA is to be fully trusted, because that agency is against President Trump. The change over is never addressed, which is eerily reminiscent of that whole Eurasia/Eastasia thing.

        Stealth

        June 15, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • You have firearms, yes?

        El Hombre

        June 15, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      • “The Left wants to exterminate white people. That is what motivates their rhetoric.”

        The only people I have heard calling for ethnic cleansing are Richard Spencer and his followers. Spencer is a pretty wacko guy. Maybe you can find some fringe left group making those claims, but this is standard political propaganda. Find the most far out wacko left/right guy you can, then claim the left/right believe whatever this wacko believes.

        If you want to find out what left leaning people really believe you have to talk to typical left leaning people, which are not the activists that get interviewed on TV.

        mikeca

        June 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm

      • mikeca,

        “If you want to find out what left leaning people really believe you have to talk to typical left leaning people, which are not the activists that get interviewed on TV.”

        Hmmm…

        Who said:

        “The White Race is the cancer of the world.”

        Answer: Susan Sontag

        Is that typical enough for you?

        map

        June 17, 2017 at 1:44 am

      • @mikeca

        ““The Left wants to exterminate white people. That is what motivates their rhetoric.”

        The only people I have heard calling for ethnic cleansing are Richard Spencer and his followers.”

        The left wants to parasitize white people to death. You can’t parasitize those whom you ethnically cleanse.

        chris

        June 18, 2017 at 10:49 am

  4. The response of the MSM is predictable – it’s all the Republicans’ fault! From the NYT, via Joel Pollack at Breitbart:

    Was this attack evidence of how vicious American politics has become? Probably. In 2011, when Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl, the link to political incitement was clear. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs.

    ….

    Except –

    However, there was no evidence of political “incitement.” First of all, the Tucson killer, Jared Loughner, was mentally disturbed and had no political motivations. As even the left-wing HuffPost reiterated Wednesday: “People said Jared Lee Loughner was motivated by politics. Reporting proved them wrong.” Second, Sarah Palin’s map was virtually identical to those used by Democrats for years, depicting targets atop contested congressional districts.

    ….

    Jared Loughner was a mentally deranged man who had no political motivations. By contrast, Hodginkinson was a hard core lib-Dem Bernie Sanders supporter who hated Trump and the Republicans. Yet somehow it’s always the right-wingers who are at fault. I suppose I should be used to this sort of dishonest MSM reporting, but the audacity of the Lügenpresse still astounds me.

    Black Death

    June 15, 2017 at 10:57 am

    • Jared Loughner was a Democrat. His mothe was a Dem politician.

      map

      June 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm

  5. The only unexpected thing was how old the guy was. 66 years! I didn’t think much about it yesterday, but after I woke up this morning I couldn’t stop ruminating about it. Usually if someone has the capability to be a mass shooter, they do it by the age of 50 or they don’t do it at all.

    At 66, this guy lived through Nixon Derangement Syndrome, Reagan DS, Bush DS, several unpopular wars and life-changing recessions, all without assassinating anybody, even though his energy level must have been popping a lot higher when he was younger.

    That has to speak to how crazy and unhinged the Left has become in the Age of #Resistance. People that were harmless during previous leftist freakouts are now assassins in the making. Hodgkinson was who he always was; the only thing that changed is that Respectable Leftist rhetoric is much loonier and incendiary than it used to be.

    Richard

    June 15, 2017 at 11:09 am

    • This guy has the look of a lush. I suspect he has fried his brain with booze.

      bobbybobbob

      June 15, 2017 at 2:53 pm

      • It’s scary how this guy actually looked like Elmer Fudd, whom I was referencing as a group of angry gun-totting White men.

        JS

        June 15, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    • His daughter apparently committed suicide. That might have drove him over the edge.

      Dain

      June 15, 2017 at 3:19 pm

      • That was in 1996, and it was a teenage foster daughter who had been living in his home for only two months.

        Richard

        June 16, 2017 at 2:55 am

    • Yes, the age seems to make this case an outlier. Can you name the second oldest person to attempt something like this (politically motivated or whacko motivated attempted or successful mass shooting)? Not really my area, so I have no idea. Maybe some of the workplace shooters were older.

      The Shepherd

      June 15, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      • James von Brunn, a Neo-Nazi, was 89 when he shot and killed a security guard inside the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in 2009. Hodgkinson’s a youngster compared to him.

        Lewis Medlock

        June 17, 2017 at 3:51 pm

  6. By the way, Lion, I don’t know if I mentioned this to you.

    I know of this 20 year old who grew up in Staten Island and now lives in the Midtown Manhattan. His father bought him an apartment in the city, after years being successful with 2 pizzerias.

    He’s still a prole regardless. It’s not about money. You seem to be out of touch with your neighbors. The old aristocratic guard in Manhattan is no longer relevant to Manhattan’s wealthiest. It’s all about the nouveau riche, many of them transplants from other parts of America, and the swarms of wealthy foreigners that populate the island.

    JS

    June 15, 2017 at 11:14 am

  7. “If the shooter has been in his 20s, he probably would have been a Republican.”

    Republicans are much more likely to own guns and support the 2nd amendment. But leftists are much more likely to go on a shooting spree. Most political violence is perpetrated by leftists. It’s like that today and, from what I can tell, always has been.

    I understand your point about your Dem grandfather. I had an older neighbor growing up who was like that. But the guy was born in the 1920’s. Hogkinson was born in the 1950’s and came of age in the mid to late 60’s. He was from a later generation for whom the working class Democrat meme may no longer apply. Have you not been on Democrat forums and read how they hate the working class?

    destructure

    June 15, 2017 at 11:15 am

  8. Remember that a few years back a certifiable schizo named Jared Lee Loughner shot some congresswoman and the media created a completely fake narrative that somehow Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and right wing radio was responsible because of heated rhetoric or something. There was no evidence that Jared Lee Loughner listened to right wing radio or cared about Sarah Palin or anything of the sort.

    In this case, we know the shooter loved left wing tv shows and even said in a letter to an editor that he loved the Rachel Maddow show. If Republicans were smart, and they aren’t, they would borrow this narrative which is actually supported by evidence.

    johnBeck

    June 15, 2017 at 11:48 am

    • This won’t be the last attack. There will be more opportunities to borrow this narrative.

      destructure

      June 15, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    • If they were smart, they’d start hammering at this stuff just so they don’t get murdered a month from now by a Resister boiling with anger over the latest media-manufactured scandal.

      Richard

      June 15, 2017 at 3:45 pm

  9. Hating the rich takes people down dark roads. Not everyone who hates the rich is going to start shooting people but all that envy and anger will make your life miserable.

    Jay Fink

    June 15, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    • And I suppose hating the poor or the middle class (or both) is the road to virtue and mental health?

      Jimmy Kangaroo

      June 16, 2017 at 11:30 am

  10. Hodgkinson wrote several letters to the editor of his local paper. He focuses a lot on tax policy, the Great Depression, FDR, etc.

    Tom

    June 15, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    • So I heard — It appears that working class proles in the Midwest are a few notches above the Northeastern Ethnic Whites, especially among Italians when it comes to intellectual attainment. The heirs of the working class Italian/Irish ethnics in Yankee Doodle land are college educated, business types at best. The guys with boring degrees in business administration and accounting, that sort of thing.

      JS

      June 15, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      • Do you stupidly generalize much? My grandfather was a working class Boston Irish immigrant, but his son got a Harvard Ph.D. on the GI Bill and became a college professor.

        Jimmy Kangaroo

        June 16, 2017 at 11:34 am

      • Irish Catholics are underrepresented at the Ivy Leagues. Italians are even more severe.

        Midwestern states like Minnesota, Kansas and Wisconsin, with a strong German presence are ranked smarter than Mid Atlantic coastal states like New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, with a very strong Irish/Italian presence.

        Perhaps the NAM presence brings it down. I don’t know. But these coastal states also have a strong Ashkenazim presence.

        JS

        June 16, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      • Does JS stupidly generalize much? Clearly you are new to this website. That’s all he does.

        gothamette

        June 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

  11. Hodgkinson was a union guy, and many union and working class people today are still generally Democratic overall. There’s been some crossover at the presidential election levels with Reagan and Trump, but even many white working class voters voted for Obama twice before voting for Trump and vote for the Dems in other elections and affiliate with them.

    The difference now is that there is no meaningful “working class” among the generations younger than Hodgkinson. “Working class” implies steady, regular employment over long periods in specific trades and industries. That’s not characteristic of the younger generations. They’re characterized by non union work, lots of temporary work, higher education, low level administrative work, frequent bouncing between different employers and industries, etc.

    Reagan destroyed the working class, which was good for the GOP politically because it could placate its donor and wealthy constituency without alienating too many ordinary people. The Dems adapted in the 90s under Clinton by catering to the wealthy, professionals, and minorities.

    Tom

    June 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm

  12. “If the shooter has been in his 20s, he probably would have been a Republican.”

    That’s because to be a modern leftist, you have to be a LBTQA snowflake, NAM, or a unique blend of upper class, middling IQ, & acute status anxiety.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    June 15, 2017 at 7:11 pm

  13. Any tradesman will tell you that rich people is where the jobs are. Surprisingly enough, rich people can afford to pay. It is self defeating for a working man to be anti-rich. Despise the rich and surround yourself with poor people, that’s a great idea. Plenty of work there.

    martin2

    June 15, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    • “Despise the rich and surround yourself with poor people, that’s a great idea. Plenty of work there.”

      Who the heck would want to surround themselves with PoCs?

      El Hombre

      June 15, 2017 at 11:54 pm

    • As in construction work? — I find a lot more Hispanics and blacks at construction sites than Whites — these 21st century slaves built luxury condos for the wealthy SWPLites all around Manhattan.

      JS

      June 16, 2017 at 9:41 am

      • You obviously don’t spend time on construction sites in the Northeastern U.S. then, or Montreal for that matter. Or you know that you’re talking out your ass, but it just makes you feel better than the guys out there busting their’s to sit in an Ivory Tower and degrade them or whatever. But let me take a moment to fill you in. Unionized building trades (the only way that large condo buildings and commercial buildings get built in Northeast Cities) are still almost all white. In Philly for instance the Local 98 Electricians are essentially South Philly (2 Streeter) Irish. Local 30 Roofers are similar but from NE Philly and Roxborough, as are the Ironworkers, Plumbers, Carpenters, Pipe-fitters etc etc. The only building trade Union that has lots of blacks is the Laborers who are the scabbiest of all scabs. They are the guys who clean up job-sites and deliver supplies to the more skilled tradesman, but if you ask a Laborer they’ll tell you they can do it all, haha. As far as Hispanics, well I can tell you that I took the Carpenters and Electricians Union tests after finishing High School and they had lots of rather challenging high school level Algebra and Geometry on them and were not offered in Spanish so if any Hispanics can pass the test and qualify and are able to make it through an apprenticeship program and do the work, then God Bless ’em. But again the Unionized trades are mostly white so obviously very few are able to get in and stay in. I thought that this was an HBD blog and people understand this sort of thing In my neighborhood it was mostly the building trade Unions or police and fire and these all provide a very middle-class lifestyle for a family. In fact I would almost say that’s all that’s left of the skeleton of the true middle class.

        roxborough's son

        June 16, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      • So what’s with this angst coming from proles that racial minorities are taking their jobs?

        JS

        June 17, 2017 at 9:18 am

      • “You obviously don’t spend time on construction sites in the Northeastern U.S. then, or Montreal for that matter”

        I spend zero time on construction sites but I walk by them on a daily basis. They used to be 98% white. They are now overwhelming Latino, with a strong black presence. The few whites who are left tend to be older supervisor types.

        About a year ago, in the embers of the Obama Admin, I passed a construction site on W. 79th Street that had a huge African contingent. Not African-American, African. I can tell what an African language sounds like. And they look different from African blacks. Now, what the heck was that all about, I thought. I am guessing that Obama sneaked in some kind of H1B program for African laborers. I cannot be sure of that, but I have a hunch. How else would a bunch of strapping 20ish Africans ended up wearing hard hats & working construction in Manhattan?

        gothamette

        June 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm

      • Replies in Order
        1)To JS, The “angst” is not so much over NAMs taking “our” (I’m a prole) jobs…it’s more that the globalists have off-shored as much manufacturing as possible for the last 50 years This coupled with importing as much legal and illegal third-world immigrant labor as possible has created a situation in which only the best and most ambitious proles are able to secure a stable (albeit prole) career. For a white man to get on Philly Police or Fire he all but has to be a Veteran (or college grad) with a clean background who is a decent test-taker, same thing for the Electricians or Pipe-fitters Unions. This is a stark contrast to the stories we all were raised with of how our fathers and grandfathers had jobs at the Pencoyd Steel in West Manayunk or Mittal Steel in Conshy and so and so got fired in the morning for something stupid but got another Union job in the neighborhood before the end of the day. Ok, so I always had my shit together and was able to get a good job and buy a home and have a family, yada yada yada, but what about the rest of the fellas from the neighborhood. Well, since they don’t hand out manufacturing jobs to every Roxborough-Irish loser with a pulse…tldr, they’re on heroin.

        2)To Gothamette, I don’t pretend to be a scholar of the intricacies of the H1B program nor of the individual neighborhoods of Manhattan. So I’m not sure of the particularities of job-sites at W 79th street or whatever. All I know is that racists like Obama or Eric Holder think only in absolute terms of race and racism. For instance if someone like Obama were to see job-sites that were “98% white” he would certainly be inclined to do everything within his power to change that racist injustice that created the situation. Because it’s obviously so racist, right? Now, as I said up-thread Commercial work in NE cities and even large residential projects are the exclusive territory of Union contractors. If a developer goes with a “low-bid” contractor that guarantees non-union subs and would certainly have more of a Nam presence coupled with (or because of…Y.B.T.J.) shoddier work. My experience in that world is as far as the treatment that said developer would receive nothing would be off-limits. Intimidation, physical violence, vandalism, you name it. Google search “Philly Ironworkers Nightwork” if you don’t believe it. I don’t personally co-sign that type of thuggery but I know many good men with good families being raised right that have benefited from the John Doughertys of the world, and it is a means to an end as far as that goes. If it wasn’t for bad men like that wielding their thuggish power it would be just another formerly white institution given up to “Diversity”

        roxborough's son

        June 18, 2017 at 11:19 pm

  14. Was your grandfather delivering matzoh back in the day?

    El Hombre

    June 15, 2017 at 9:31 pm

  15. Right wing communitarianism is the future and the Republican Party needs to embrace it. Your typical Republican voter doesn’t really give a damn about tax rates and regulations. They vote conservative because it is a proxy for preserving white identity and always has been. Just look at all the Libertarians that have become alt right in less than a year. If the GOP starts being more labor friendly and environmentally concerned with restricted merit based (i.e. Pro White) immigration policy we could see a huge influx of Bernie voting swpl types into the fold.

    B.T.D.T.

    June 15, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    • Obama regulated coal and offshore drilling out of business. And now in 5 months Trump has us opening mines, offshore drilling platforms and shipping coal to China and LNG to all-white Poland (strengthening their anti-migrant policy with the EU). Regulations matter.

      Andrew E.

      June 15, 2017 at 11:46 pm

    • As I posted elsewhere: Leftist terrorist shoots up right Congressmen (who fortunately were not in a gun-free zone), left media demands more gun control (in already highly controlled area).

      Let’s face it, the libertarians are right: Gun violence in America is mostly a phenomenon of the far-left (including free-lance socialist ‘oppressed’ muggers) eager to use the publicity to legally disarm their victims.

      rob

      June 16, 2017 at 12:07 am

      • What is actually needed is liberal control. Registered liberals should not be allowed to own guns. They should also be fitted with special collars that track their movements and contain small amounts of plastic explosives to deal with them when they get out of line.

        map

        June 17, 2017 at 1:51 am

      • “What is actually needed is liberal control. Registered liberals should not be allowed to own guns.”

        Although that’s not going to fly, it would sure be nice if there was some movement in which leftie’s swore off of owning firearms. They virtue signal like crazy, putting bumper stickers on their homes and cars like, “No guns here!”

        They’ve proven they’re not responsible with firearms, which is why they don’t anyone to own them since they think everyone else is as crazy and careless as they are.

        Mike Street Station

        June 19, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    • You are 100% right, and if the GOP had anyone in charge who was halfway competent they would go all in on this and hold power in the country for 50 years. Unfortunately, they don’t.

      Two in the Bush

      June 16, 2017 at 12:34 am

    • Matt Taibi types are never going to vote GOP, no matter what.

      We need to be pro-white and pro-rich. Proles will vote for us because the Dems are anti white and enough SWPLs will vote for us because they won’t be willing to pay more taxes. This is how Reagan and Nixon won their landslides.

      Otis the Sweaty

      June 16, 2017 at 1:55 am

      • This country ain’t Reagan & Nixons. Obama was very clever about destroying purely white demographic areas.

        gothamette

        June 17, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    • “Single payer for white people,” is how David Frum described what the Altright wants.

      Dsgntd_plyr

      June 16, 2017 at 9:02 am

    • “Right wing communitarianism” – nice! Great new euphemism for fascism!

      Jimmy Kangaroo

      June 16, 2017 at 11:36 am

    • Right wing communitarianism is the future and the Republican Party

      No it isn’t.

      France and Sweden have “communitarian” welfare states. How well have their systems done as bulwarks against immigration?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 16, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      • But France and Sweden are pozzed beyond all belief. They are left wing governments that have been destroyed by cultural Marxism. I am talking about a right-wing, non-cucked communitarianism with pro white immigration policies.

        B.T.D.T.

        June 16, 2017 at 8:48 pm

      • I am talking about a right-wing, non-cucked communitarianism with pro white immigration policies.

        Communitarian economics doesn’t mix with with Conservatism.

        The largest Western welfare states (over 50% of the French economy is controlled by the state) are all Liberal on immigration.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 18, 2017 at 1:28 pm

      • France and Sweden were both Western Progressive-Socialist before they became diverse. If Socialist economics did nothing to stop immigration then Socialist economics is either irrelevant to Conservatism or an obstacle to Conservatism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 18, 2017 at 1:30 pm

  16. OT: Trump officially caves on Dreamers. Sad!

    peterike

    June 16, 2017 at 9:36 am

    • trump is a joke lol. why do people here still cling to him.

      james n.s.w

      June 16, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      • its almost like everyone has forgotten about stuff like the wall and the only reason anyone supported this idiot to begin with, i.e his stance on immigration. the rest of this guys policies are pure garbage. and hes not even delivering on the only things that made him worthwhile except maybe trade.

        james n.s.w

        June 16, 2017 at 4:04 pm

      • We have to keep the faith until the next election. We have no choice but to do so. Trump is under unbelievable pressure, and all of DC is out to get him. That’s not paranoia. It’s fact.

        gothamette

        June 17, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    • There is no need to expend political capital going after the Dreamers. We’re talking about less than a million people. All that matters is that deportations are increasing.

      Otis the Sweaty

      June 16, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      • The author of “Art of the Deal” should be using them as a bargaining chip to get the stuff we actually want (and which he campaigned on). It doesn’t bother me much if the Dreamers are given a pass; it does bother me if we surrender this ground for nothing given up in reciprocity.

        Richard

        June 16, 2017 at 7:34 pm

      • he didn’t write art of the deal.

        james n.s.w

        June 16, 2017 at 11:50 pm

      • Right, there’s no way Trump could write a book by himself. He’s no Obama.

      • Neither one of them wrote their books. Unless someone is a professional writer they probably had someone else write it based on hundreds of hours of taped discussions.

        http://www.npr.org/2014/04/12/292382481/so-you-need-a-celebrity-book-who-ya-gonna-call-ghostwriters

        destructure

        June 18, 2017 at 9:14 am

      • This blog is getting pretty spergy.

        Richard

        June 18, 2017 at 10:59 am

      • DACA is a potential chip in future negotiations. Although I wish they would stop expanding the program and close it off to new applications, it can be used in the future to get the important things we really want. If we can kick out all the illegals except for DACA’s that’s still a major win.

        Mike Street Station

        June 19, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    • The reason this is being mentioned today is because Trump just rescinded DAPA. He hasn’t backtracked on DACA. He just hasn’t done it yet.

      Krikorian wrote that he thinks Trump has let it continue because he’s not sure the best way to stop it. Or whether it would be better to negotiate its continuance in exchange for Congress passing some other immigration legislation like universal E-Verify and cuts in legal immigration.

      http://cis.org/krikorian/trump-amnestying-192-new-illegals-day

      destructure

      June 16, 2017 at 8:10 pm

  17. Smoking is prole. Back in high school during the early ’80s, many of the big-hair, hot-looking girls smoked and had reputations as being sexually experienced and fast and, of course, went for the “bad boys.” I wonder what they look like now.

    OT: WaPo, 06/13/17 – America’s new tobacco crisis: The rich stopped smoking, the poor didn’t

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/americas-new-tobacco-crisis-the-rich-stopped-smoking-the-poor-didnt/2017/06/13/a63b42ba-4c8c-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html?utm_term=.b149f08760b7

    After decades of lawsuits, public campaigns and painful struggles, Americans have finally done what once seemed impossible: Most of the country has quit smoking, saving millions of lives and leading to massive reductions in cancer. That is, unless those Americans are poor, uneducated or live in a rural area.

    Hidden among the steady declines in recent years is the stark reality that cigarettes are becoming a habit of the poor. The national smoking rate has fallen to historic lows, with just 15 percent of adults still smoking. But the socioeconomic gap has never been bigger.

    Among the nation’s less-educated people — those with a high-school-equivalency diploma — the smoking rate remains more than 40 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Today, rural residents are diagnosed with lung cancer at rates 18 to 20 percent above those of city dwellers. By nearly every statistical measure, researchers say, America’s lower class now smokes more and dies more from cigarettes than other Americans…

    The last time Cassell tried to quit was three months ago, after a doctor’s test gave her a lung cancer scare. “It was like losing my best friend,” she said. “My cigarettes have kept me company for 40 years, longer than just about anyone in my life.”…

    E. Rekshun

    June 16, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    • “Back in high school during the early ’80s, many of the big-hair, hot-looking girls smoked and had reputations as being sexually experienced and fast and, of course, went for the “bad boys.” I wonder what they look like now.”

      Generally, those types of girls don’t age well.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 16, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      • They can look pretty bad at 25. It was spooky how quickly some girls I knew in high school went from very cute to hatchet-faced.

        Richard

        June 16, 2017 at 7:37 pm

      • You tend to hear a lot of phlegm rolling around in their lungs when they laugh.

        Stealth

        June 16, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      • The average girl probably hits the wall around 15 these days, with obesity as bad as it is. Generations of ignorant mothers ruining their daughters with feminist bullshit and turning them into sows before they even have a chance to blossom.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        June 17, 2017 at 12:03 am

      • On the other hand, some are forty-ish and still look pretty good, but they’re single, desperate and, well, used. A pretty good looking 40 year old smoker who’s slept with 30 or 40 guys has a tough time against a slightly above average looking divorcee who’s slept with 4 or 5. If the divorcee is thin (the most important factor in attractiveness at that age), there’s no contest. Some have even gotten tattoos, not realizing the demographic they’re after considers that an automatic blackball.

        J1

        June 17, 2017 at 11:43 am

    • Proles love to abuse their own bodies with smoke, drink, bad food, etc. Aside from the pleasure of indulgence they seem to revel in the fatalism of it all. Ordering a healthy lunch or mentioning that you exercise around proles will give them a sense of angst and deep distrust.

      B.T.D.T.

      June 16, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      • I see a lot of proles lining up in Prole Foods and so do NAMs.

        Expensive Real Estate in prime locations is off limits to proles and the underclass, but food is not.

        JS

        June 17, 2017 at 10:39 am

  18. I’ve been thinking about the argument seen here and elsewhere that there is ‘right wing political violence too’. Here’s the important difference: Right-wing political violence takes place against a background of loss of hope and lack of political representation. Opinion polls in European nations have always been strongly against immigration, and against Islamic migration in particular. But nowhere does the pace of migration drop. Promises by conservative parties are not kept. Nationalist parties are frustrated using security service infiltration, laws and legal hurdles, endless bad publicity and propaganda. Their funding sources are cut off.Their leaders are arrested. Trump’s travel ban promise is blocked by unelected courts. So for right wing people there is a sense of desperation and lack of options.

    But this is clearly not true of a Bernie Sanders supporter! Their man had already been permitted to hold office somewhere with no violent backlash by the right. His campaign meetings were not hijacked by ‘activists’ from the Trump camp to the acclaim of the media. He was not even defeated by Trump anyway, but by another Democrat! Even if he does not become President it is perfectly possible that someone like him can.

    In short, right wing terrorism comes from loss of hope and a system undeniably rigged against them.

    Left wing terrorism comes from losing elections and the inability to accept that things are not rigged even more in their favour.

    Even the ‘trending’ bar on my facebook profile is only allowed to show stories from the BBC, Guardian and similar American newspapers. Can’t have prolier being allowed to see stories from sources that he would have chosen.

    prolier than thou

    June 17, 2017 at 5:57 am

  19. My Tajik can afford that apartment and so can the NAMs and the illegals. His Section 8 subsidy is $2,200. These aren’t the prices for normal working people, obviously. This is so simple that I don’t know why I’m even saying it.

    Its so simple to end all this nonsense, when is Trump gonna do it already?

    Яков

    June 17, 2017 at 11:29 pm

    • Uh oh…

      Yakov has gone Cyrillic.

      Something is up/

      map

      June 18, 2017 at 1:28 am

  20. I just learned about this:

    http://variety.com/2017/legit/news/trump-julius-caesar-play-public-theater-response-1202463007/

    The Public Theater has a production of Julius Caesar in Central Park, which overtly references Trump.

    gothamette

    June 18, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    • It’s time to make a riot and beat up the actors and the stupid audience in attendance. Mates, anybody wants to go? I’m game.

      Яков

      June 19, 2017 at 6:12 am

      • I’m not. But we should know what’s going on.

        gothamette

        June 19, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      • Absolutely the worst possible move to make.

        Mike Street Station

        June 19, 2017 at 3:36 pm

      • Yeah, like let the rabble burn the flag and practice killing the president? I’m low IQ and there is no way I beleive in this anarchy. You gotta strike back. America needs a Pinochet! I specifically buy Chilian whines to honor this great man and salute to his memory by the Shabbat table.

        Яков

        June 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm

  21. Very good idea

    Яков

    June 20, 2017 at 9:53 pm


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