Lion of the Blogosphere

A Party of Snobs

Investigative reporter Robert Parry (who leans Democratic but appears to be a lot more cognizant of reality than most journalists) writes:

From conversations that I’ve had with some Trump voters in recent weeks, I was struck by how they viewed the Democratic Party as snobbish, elitist and looking down its nose at “average Americans.” And in conversations with some Clinton voters, I found confirmation for that view in the open disdain that the Clinton backers expressed toward the stupidity of anyone who voted for Trump. In other words, the Trump voters were not wrong to feel “dissed.”

It seems the Republicans – and Trump in particular – have done a better job in presenting themselves to these Middle Americans as respecting their opinions and representing their fears, even though the policies being pushed by Trump and the GOP still favor the rich and will do little good – and significant harm – to the middle and working classes.

By contrast, many of Hillary Clinton’s domestic proposals might well have benefited average Americans but she alienated many of them by telling a group of her supporters that half of Trump’s backers belonged in a “basket of deplorables.” Although she later reduced the percentage, she had committed a cardinal political sin: she had put the liberal disdain for millions of Americans into words – and easily remembered words at that.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 24, 2017 at 10:33 am

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  1. It seems to me from having some liberal family members, seeing liberals’ social media posts, and reading some liberal online discussion fora, that many liberals do acknowledge that Trump voters and other wrong-kind-of-white-people view the Democratic Party as snobbish, elitist and looking down its nose at “average Americans,” but they can’t see how any of that is liberals’ or Democrats’ fault. They blame either the Trump voters’ alleged stupid backward redneckishness, or the Koch brothers or some other bogeyman for supposedly brainwashing them.

    Hermes

    June 24, 2017 at 10:44 am

  2. Hillary actually *under*estimated how many of Trump’s voters were “deplorables”.

    1. Anyone who voted for Trump really is a racist by the Left’s definition
    2. Many of Clinton’s white voters are also racist/xenophobic/Islamophobic; I know some personally

    The Dems problem, insofar as they have one, is not their delivery but rather their identity. Yglesias was saying that the Dems needed a message for the 2018 midterms. But the Dems *already* have a clear message: open-borders, GLBT, BLM and Islam.

    White people simply are not going to vote for a party that hates them. Now granted, Obama did a great job of pretending that he didn’t hate white people but the current Democratic party is incapable of doing so.

    What the Dems need is not a better message, but a better candidate. Corey Booker would be perfect: can get out the black vote by virtue of simply being black which would allow him to spend all his time worrying about winning over enough white voters. The Dems can win with their current message, but they need the right candidate.

    We don’t have to worry about Corey though because he can’t make it through the primaries.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 24, 2017 at 11:00 am

  3. When the John Birch Society accused Pres. Eisenhower and other politicians of being secret puppets, Buckley and other responsible conservatices, spoke out against them and sidelined the group.

    Where are today’s responsible liberal who should be reining the crazy Russia conspiracists.

    Jimi

    June 24, 2017 at 11:39 am

    • They’re busy holding the torches and pitchforks.

      Mike Street Station

      June 24, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    • actually there’s nothing crazy about the claims that wikileaks’s source was the fsb.

      what’s crazy is the amount of media time it takes up. what’s crazy is the emphasis. the corporate dems/clintonites refuse to take responsibility for their loss. proof that the dems really are not left-wing.

      wikileaks is irrelevant. trump won the election not putin.

      but…

      putin is 100% pure evil. he came to power by blowing up apartment buildings and blaming it on chechens. he has ordered the assassination of dozens of journalists and political opponents. i don’t think he’s an anti-semite, but…in 2000 90% of the oligarchs were jewish. now it’s 20%. i think it was just that his friends were mostly gentiles. russia is neo-feudalism for real. putin is the monarch. the oligarchs are his vassals. everyone else is a serf/peasant.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      June 24, 2017 at 6:05 pm

      • The theory that the FSB bombed those apartments always seemed farfetched to me. The Chechens have proven time and again that they produce the most bloodthirsty terrorists on the planet, and there hasn’t been anything that has overcome the null hypothesis that they did it.

        Sid

        June 24, 2017 at 7:03 pm

      • Lots of world leaders are evil. Many of our own, for instance. It wasn’t Putin’s Russia that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And as far as NATO and missile defense are concerned, I wonder how we would like it if Russia persuaded Mexico to enter a military alliance that was created from the beginning to counter the United States.

        Stealth

        June 24, 2017 at 9:31 pm

      • there is simply no other conceivable explanation for what happened in ryazan. on top of this every investigator of these bombings has been murdered. it’s a slam dunk. unlike wmd.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 25, 2017 at 1:58 am

      • Jews have no business being 90% or even 20% oligarchy has in Russia.

        Яков

        June 25, 2017 at 4:54 am

      • No, there is another perfectly plausible explanation: Chechens became jihadis under the influence and funding of Saudi nationals, and combining their innate bloodlust with jihadism, had no compunction about blowing up Russian apartments.

        Considering all the other awful things Chechen jihadis have done, it’s not exactly a leap of faith to believe they did that while launching attacks on Dagestan.

        Even when you’re expecting the worst out of Russian siloviks, the case the FSB blew up the apartments is extremely circumstantial at best.

        Sid

        June 25, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    • The difference is the Birchers were right and Muh Russuh! full of shit, the PTB are consistantly anti truth.

      anonymoys

      June 25, 2017 at 5:39 am

    • The Russia “conspiracists” are the centrist Democrats (and a lot of centrist Republicans for that matter). It is the far left that keeps saying Russia is innocent. That is one reason why I tend to believe that the Russians did purposely put people like Manafort and Carter Page into the Trump camp with the hope of manipulating Trump. If people like Jill Stein, Glenn Greenwald, Noam Chomsky, Stephen Cohen and Matt Taibbi are telling me that the Russian conspiracy is made up, I am going to think pretty hard before believing them.

      Peter Akuleyev

      June 25, 2017 at 8:26 am

      • Manafort was the only guy Trump could hire who knew how to deal with Ted Cruz trying to steal the nomination through sneaky delegate tactics. Manafort worked for Ford in 1976, the last time there was a delegate fight at a convention. Manafort was the only guy with that expertise available. It has nothing to do with Russia.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 25, 2017 at 9:35 am

      • Peter Akuleyev is probably a Russian expat (possibly of Jewish ancestery) and has Putin derangement syndrome.

        There are many ex USSR Russians/Jews (but usually it’s the Jewish refugee types) that absolutely hate Putin and think he is a massive anti-semite/hate that he is a “dictator”.

        They share the same symptoms as the deranged Trump haters in the US, though the overlap is not one to one.

        Usually the breakdown is prole vs non-prole as Lion is fond of saying. That is why Yakov is not anti-Putin despite falling into the Jewish refugee camp.

        OldTimer

        June 25, 2017 at 1:03 pm

  4. I am often amazed at how open liberals are at saying all of Trump’s supporters are deplorable.

    GMR

    June 24, 2017 at 11:48 am

    • Meriproles —

      democraps = the party of hob nob snobs, they dine, they wine and they Whine…

      weepublicans = the party of droll proles, they mock, they cock, and they block

      JS

      June 24, 2017 at 7:28 pm

  5. snippet from TNR that admits the Dems are not as strong in the suburbs as they expected to be thanks to Trump: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/143445/jon-ossoffs-loss-shows-suburbs-arent-slam-dunk-democrats

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 24, 2017 at 11:49 am

  6. Doesn’t sound like he really gets it. What if you had an unimpeachably objective observer, someone from Jupiter, decide who the deplorables really are. Would it be the white pest control guy with two years of JC, no tattoos, shirt tucked in, shaves every morning, shops at Wal-Mart, and goes duck hunting on his time off? Or would it be the massively obese 3rd gen Hispanic woman SEIU clerk, degree in ethnic studies from Cal-State Dominguez, with tattooed calves, wearing the Raiders jersey and 20 bracelets on each wrist who can’t calculate a percentage even given a calculator?

    Marty

    June 24, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    • Well, Jupiter might be inhabited by duck people….

      Gozo

      June 24, 2017 at 6:36 pm

  7. “even though the policies being pushed by Trump and the GOP still favor the rich and will do little good – and significant harm – to the middle and working classes.”

    And exactly what policies do Democrats support that would actually benefit the people who voted for Trump? The offshore outsourcing and mass immigration? The gender and race quotas and affirmative action? The bankrupt states? The terrible schools? The massive increase in healthcare premiums? The destruction of entire cities and neighborhoods? The massive increase in crime?

    Someone explain to me exactly how do Democrat policies benefit white people or legacy Americans?

    map

    June 24, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    • I nearly posted a similar comment. Only mine included the first half of the quote as well. He thinks their policies are better for Middle Americans but that they’re just not “presenting” them right. They’re policies stink. But they want to wrap them in pretty bows and force them on us anyway.

      destructure

      June 24, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      • *Their

        destructure

        June 24, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    • You’re completely clueless. Democrats support lower taxes for non wealthy, more services, more pre tax income, unions, affordable healthcare, are as anti free trade as Trump if not more, and up until ten years ago were as opposed to immigration.

      The only two areas where you sort of have an argument are trade and immigration but that only applies to Trump and Trump has actually been terrible on both those issues so far.

      james n.s.w: he’s playing the same game Republicans have been playing since Reagan just taken to the next level. Promise to stick up for whites, men, and Christians in little ways, have the media flip out convincing GOP voters that he must be on their side, and deliver a little of what he promised along with massive giveaways to the wealthy and big corporations.

      Magnavox

      June 24, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      • Magnavox,

        Democrats support low taxes for everyone who is non-white, foreign and domestic. They support services for non-whites, unions for non-whites, higher pre-tax income for non-whites, affordable healthcare for non-whites and sticking it to whitey over trade and immigration. Democrats are falling on swords over travel bans and immigration enforcement and gleefully pouring over demographic data, while trying to re-district minority-majority areas to gain more votes.

        Trump has been terrible on the issues precisely because of the Democrat obstructionism itself.

        You think deplorables haven’t noticed this?

        Have you actually not been paying attention to how the Democrat Party evolved since Bill Clinton was president? How they have shredded the Constitution and engineered a race war in their relentless pursuit of whitey?

        But I am glad to see the willful cluelessness runs deep in the Democrat psyche. When they end up on the wrong side of the razor wire, they can then delude themselves over the obtuseness of their jailers.

        map

        June 24, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      • Democrats support lower taxes for non wealthy, more services, more pre tax income, unions, affordable healthcare, are as anti free trade as Trump if not more…

        Heh, heh. Muh Grandpa’s Democrat party. You sound like my mother who still thinks JFK leads the party. Though in 2016 I finally got her to step out of her time capsule and vote R.

        Andrew E.

        June 24, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      • Trump has been terrible because of his own party, himself, and in distant third place the Democrats.

        I don’t doubt the Democrats are anti white (and anti male, and anti Christian) and that those issues have displaced the emphasis put on the ones I listed but they have in no way perverted them and in no way are they only interested in providing them for non whites. You sound complete deranged and clueless, more so because you saw everything as self evident and not requiring evidence.

        The one example where identity politics has really corrupted the Democrats ability to do the kinds of things I listed above and beyond just taking energy away from them has to do with affirmative action in government hiring. That really interferes with the ability to have a really first rate civil service and government.

        Magnavox

        June 24, 2017 at 7:24 pm

      • Sorry Magnavox, but map is correct. The Democratic Party now just exists to hand out “gibmedats” to their constituencies in return for their votes.

        This isn’t to say that, occasionally, Democrats don’t occasionally throw a bone to middle/core America, or that some of their policies don’t benefit white men as a side effect, but every election cycle they drop the facade a little more.

        The Republican Party is full of faults, too. They largely exist to just lower taxes and deregulate their donors’ industries, but they at least aren’t pathologically hateful towards core Americans.

        If there will be positive change, it will be through shifts and action within the Republican Party, or maybe from a UKIP-like third party which pressures Republicans to reform.

        Jeb wasn’t much better than Hillary on policy… But guess what? He lost early on, whereas the Democrats still haven’t entirely dropped Hillary.

        Sid

        June 25, 2017 at 12:49 am

      • When they lower taxes, it’s not based on race it’s based on income. When they try to make it easier to form unions that’s also not based on race. When they want to make health care more affordable for poor people that’s not based on race. When the far left wing people want to lower health care spending so it stops suffocating this country, that’s not based on race. Etc. Etc Etc.

        You think that there aren’t loads of white people on medicaid and food stamps? In Unions? In the lower tax brackets?

        And there’s nothing wrong with the democrats supporting their constituencies. The republicans could learn a lot from that. It’s really up to the republicans to curb the democratic excesses by sticking up for whites, men, and Christians.

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 11:18 am

      • @map,

        I hate to tell you this but outside the confines of a blog, where your claims aren’t subject to a fact-checking review, you are out of luck.

        Magnavox is right. The policies that the Democrats have traditionally supported (since the New Deal, that is) are now the policies of the alt-right. LOL. Some of the biggest names of the alt-right support single payer. I only mention them because they are the outer limit of possibility. When the extreme right supports single payer, the idea has won.

        The majority of social security legislation basically redistributes income from the upper income brackets to the lower middle. This is proven by every study on the subject. The smarter guys in both the Dem & Repub parties know this. As Sailer has pointed out, there is more agreement in the back rooms than disagreement.

        Elite snobbery is nothing new.

        The difference between elite snobbery of today and yesteryear is that instead of railing about the sins of the slaveocracy, or capitalism, the snobs are LGBTQIRST whackos.

        What everyone here is missing is that it’s modern capitalism that has destroyed the family, with the legal profession swooping in to pick over the bones, we are now in Chaos.

        California has legalized the three parent family, and NY State will soon follow suit. The Kay Hymowitz wing of the Manhattan Institute conservative may take comfort in the fact that the divorce rate is lower among the college-educated, but she’s wrong. The Grim Reaper is coming for them, too.

        Gothamette-thrustra has spoken!

        gothamette

        June 25, 2017 at 11:45 am

    • this is exactly right. both parties are the business party. the only difference between them is their wedge issues and the specific moneyed interests they represent. they both look ridiculous. trump was going to change this. he lied. or he’s controlled./

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      June 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm

      • Trump did not lie. I am on board with his healthcare plan. Hoping republicans have enough votes to repeal obamacare.

        wt

        June 25, 2017 at 1:52 am

      • “Trump did not lie. I am on board with his healthcare plan. Hoping republicans have enough votes to repeal obamacare.”

        That’s fine as long as you’re aware that Obamacare isn’t being repealed, it’s being amended. At the end of the day, you’ll still have Obamacare, only with less Medicaid expansion and the Republicans 100% responsible for the further deterioration of the Obamacare exchanges.

        Mike Street Station

        June 25, 2017 at 8:34 am

      • That’s fine as long as you’re aware that Obamacare isn’t being repealed, it’s being amended. At the end of the day, you’ll still have Obamacare, only with less Medicaid expansion and the Republicans 100% responsible for the further deterioration of the Obamacare exchanges.

        Completely wrong. The Senate repeal bill is effectively a repeal of Obamacare. Mandates are gone, taxes are gone, individual subsidies are gone. Obamacare is gone. It’s a decent bill and Trump is right to support it. They left out the insurance gaming penalty to get a CBO score but that will be in the final version. The Medicaid expansion is rolled back over 5-7 years and those that become ineligible get tax credits scaled to income to buy private insurance. A pretty good offramp. The subsidies to the insurance companies scale way down after 3 years and roll off completely in 7. Obamacare completely destroyed the individual insurance market and without cash incentives they may not return again for a year or more which really would screw some people. All in all, not bad. It should pass this week.

        Andrew E.

        June 25, 2017 at 9:59 am

      • It doesn’t fucking matter. Until market discipline is brought to healthcare pricing and all insurance execs abusing the Robinson Patman act of 1936 are thrown in prison (yes the orange jumpsuit variety) you can fiddle away at the edges all you want, but we will still be headed towards national insolvency/death panels in the next 3-5 years.

        Healthcare went from 3% of GDP in 1950 to 20% in 2017. What changed? Has childbirth changed for 99.99% of the population (a few extreme cases usually wind up costing millions due to advances in life saving technology, but really)…

        Even assuming 1/10000 births cost $2 million and remainder cost what they cost in 1950, adjusted for inflation ($1000). Fuck it, lets triple the number just for shits and giggles.

        E(cost of birth) = $3000 * 99.99% + 0.01%*$2,000,000 = $3,199.10

        So why the fuck is every childbirth costing 3-10 times that these days?

        Administrative overhead because hospitals can and will increase the size of their battleships and insurance companies will grift as much skim as they can.

        You think Prole McProleson can’t afford to pay 3 grand cash for a routine childbirth (fuck, put it on the credit card) + $25 in insurance per month to offset the cost of a major bad birth event.

        The real problem is most people don’t understand basic math. If they did it would be like that Henry Ford quote. There would be an armed rebellion the next day as people realize how much they are getting ripped off.

        There is no problem in healthcare other than blatantly illegal anticompetitive acts (lack of price transparency). No politician will fix healthcare (even single payer) because to do so means to remove at least 10% of GDP from the accounting books. That qualifies as a depression by anyone’s standards and it would cause a collapse in all asset price markets (commercial real estate reliant on medical doctors paying rents, insurance companies leasing office space/owning buildings).

        The trick is everything would roar back in 12-18 months and most Americans might not even feel any pain during that time period as their healthcare costs/worries drop like a rock. Sadly no one has any tolerance for any kind of pain/uncertainty any more, least of all the grifters in DC who would lose a big part of their skim.

        The situation is hopelessly fucked and only a Mussolini can restore order at this point.

        OldTimer

        June 25, 2017 at 1:21 pm

      • @Andrew E. “Completely wrong. The Senate repeal bill is effectively a repeal of Obamacare. Mandates are gone, taxes are gone, individual subsidies are gone. Obamacare is gone.”

        Not true. The senate bill doesn’t even bother to remove the mandates. Wonder why you have not heard the same cackling about pre-existing conditions with the senate bill that you heard about with the House bill? Because the senate bill leaves them intact. Leaving the mandates without the “mandate” of requiring the purchase of health insurance makes the death spiral even worse than it was before. And that’s without the back up of Medicaid expansion, which really was 80% in the gains in coverage under Obamacare.

        If the bill passes as is, it will be a disaster for healthcare, and a disaster for future Republican party chances.

        Mike Street Station

        June 25, 2017 at 5:35 pm

      • Mike, the mandates forcing you to buy medical insurance are lifted. That is the heart of Obamacare along with all the additional taxes it added and individual subsidies, all gone. Pre-existing conditions were always going to remain in a O-care repeal bill. And pre-existing conditions do not kill free-market health insurance if done properly. Most people get their health insurance through their employers and that market has required coverage for pre-existing conditions for a long time. Now we’re just requiring the same thing for the individual insurance market which is much, much smaller. It will be fine. This has the potential to be a big winner for Trump and the GOP, but it will need to play out.

        Andrew E.

        June 25, 2017 at 6:55 pm

      • @Andrew E.

        The Senate Bill removes the “mandate” to buy insurance, but it keeps almost all of the other mandates that Obamacare applied to the individual market… without the requirement to buy. You may argue that pre-existing conditions can be dealt with, but if they were helping to cause the Obama exchanges to crater, why would they stop doing that? Particularly with the requirement to buy insurance removed?

        This is basically Obamacare without Medicaid and the mandate to buy. So if anything, the exchanges and individual markets will collapse even quicker than they would under regular Obamacare. If this bill passes, The GOP owns Obamacare, and will pay the price as it falls apart.

        Mike Street Station

        June 26, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      • Mike, this bill allows the states to waive out of the O-care essential health benefits so that all plans no longer have to cover everything under the sun (not the same as pre-existing conditions). This is what restores the individual market. And if the Senate squeezes into the bill the provision allowing to buy across state lines (which many think should be allowable under reconciliation, but we’ll see what the Senate parliamentarian rules) then you just need one state to waive out for everyone to have that option to buy a tailored plan.

        Andrew E.

        June 26, 2017 at 6:30 pm

  8. a lot of trump supporters and republicans *are* stupid though. they have no coherent view on trump’s former signature issue, immigration/population at all (just like trump), and really have been brainwashed by the media to conflate these issues entirely with illegal immigration, which they seem to emotionally largely regard as interchangeable or entirely the same.

    it’s really hard to see trump as some sort of fan of the working class at this point. he’s better on illegal immigration than his opponent, but what’s he doing about legal immigration. nothing. where’s the wall? who cares, no one cares about that anymore. it’s gone down the memory hole with the rest of his promises. all he’s offered is tax concession vandalism for the rich and crapola healthcare reform. he has no principles bc he doesnt care or know anything about policy. his whole presidency is just a fame grab, he’s a brand that dumb working class americans can look up to and think he’s there to serve their interests and stick it to their outgroups in a grand, overarching american social identity war. most of his policies besides of ramping up deportations so far have been pure garbage.

    james n.s.w

    June 24, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    • Hillary says hi

      Andrew E.

      June 24, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    • Trump talked about the wall just this week; adding solar panels to it to defray costs. Plus, I don’t you appreciate how far Trump has pushed the Overton Window on immigration talk. Senator’s Cotton and Perdue proposed a bill that would cut legal immigration in half. That’s something that would not only never have happened pre-Trump, any Senator who even mused about it would have been attacked by his own party.

      Trump may not get us to the promised land, but he did get us out of Egypt.

      Mike Street Station

      June 24, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      • The solar panel thing is by all appearances complete bullshit that everyone is laughing at. So….

        And Trump is disgracing anti immigration politics, across the Western world. And where are the other trumpist politicians riding his coat tails if he’s been so influential?

        Magnavox

        June 24, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      • I am so sick of your bullshit.

        Yes Trump is a buffoon and yes his buffoonery makes him ultra unpopular in Western Europe. So the fuck what? You keep pointing these things out like it is some profound insight and not something that everybody already knows and has known for a long time.

        The election of Trump has caused a backlash against anti immigrant parties in Europe but this will eventually fade. And even if it doesn’t, who cares? What do we care if Western European countries decide to commit suicide?

        And claiming that Trump has hurt the anti immigrant movement in the US goes beyond laughable to being outright obscene. Without Trump, there wouldn’t even be an anti immigrant movement in the US. As recently as 2015, all Republican nominees were pro immigration. Trump changed that single handedly.

        You are disgusting, lying, criminal scum.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 25, 2017 at 5:43 am

      • “The solar panel thing is by all appearances complete bullshit that everyone is laughing at. So….

        And Trump is disgracing anti immigration politics, across the Western world. And where are the other trumpist politicians riding his coat tails if he’s been so influential?”

        The only people who are laughing at the solar panels are people who despise Gaia, the earth mother. That’s infidel talk bub.

        Oh there are no coattails to a real anti-establishment candidate. He’ll be fought on all sides.

        Mike Street Station

        June 25, 2017 at 8:37 am

      • You are disgusting, lying, criminal scum.

        Overheated invective like that is where people get the “deplorable” tag. For the most part I think the commentors at Lion’s site are fairly sincere and trying to come up with real answers, even if a little angry and frustrated. It is also nice to have some debate rather than 90 comments saying “Dems bad, Trump good”!”

        I agree with Otis that on balance Trump has been good for the anti-immigration debate, even though I also think Trump is a liar and doesn’t deeply care about this issue. I will freely admit that I am personally biased against Trump because I am old enough to remember the 1980s and 1990s. I disliked Trump back when he was an attention whore, a horrible businessman and a Democrat, and nothing I have seen in the past two years has convinced me that he is anything other than a very slick and shrewd con artists. But if he does move the Overton window on immigration I will have to give him credit.

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 25, 2017 at 8:40 am

      • Yes Trump is a buffoon and yes his buffoonery makes him ultra unpopular in Western Europe. So the fuck what? You keep pointing these things out like it is some profound insight and not something that everybody already knows and has known for a long time.

        It’s more important to save western Europe than the US. They’re better, whiter, more prosperous, more cultured, etc. societies. Conservatives just have this weird obsession with destroying western Europe because they think it will prove they were right all along about their economic policies, which appropriately you’d have to be a complete idiot to buy into.

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 11:21 am

      • What’s this about solar panels?

        Agree w/you about Trump/Overton window. In fact I’d say he blasted it to smithereens, and every time I lose my temper about him, I have to remind myself about that.

        We all should remember how stunned we all were when he began his campaign, and how every time he spoke the truth, we were all saying, “He’ll never win, how can he get away with saying that?” and so on. He spoke the truth.

        It takes time for things to happen in this country. Alexander II issued a royal edict freeing the serfs. We had to go through a damn war and kill nearly a million white men before we came to our senses. Not saying the issues are analogous, just making a point about how hard it is to get anything done in the US.

        gothamette

        June 25, 2017 at 11:50 am

      • It’s more important to save western Europe than the US. They’re better, whiter, more prosperous, more cultured, etc. societies.

        Yes, Europe is much whiter than the US, probably the main reason life is generally more pleasant there. And as annoying as Syrians, Turks, Moroccans, etc. can be, they are still much easier to deal with than African-Americans. Americans are in denial, even conservatives, about the extent to which blacks shape life in America in very unpleasant ways, including our bizarre fixation on guns, hypermiltarized police forces, crappy public schools, etc. etc.

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 25, 2017 at 12:33 pm

      • “It’s more important to save western Europe than the US. ”

        How? Put up or shut up. Tell us your plan.

        gothamette

        June 25, 2017 at 1:10 pm

      • Peter Akuleyev: Conservatives are possibly at their dumbest (which would really be saying something) talking about European cities and how muslims have turned them into crime ridden decaying slums and how this proves America really is better and anyone to the right of Ronald Reagan really is Joseph Stalin incarnate. It’s the intersection of their anti muslim bigotry and their cuckish inability to say anything negative about black people. The hilarious thing is if things keep going the way they have in 20 years they’ll refuse to say bad about muslims either.

        Gothamette: The solution is the same for both the US and europe. Stop importing people and instead have their best citizens have children.

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    • 1. Refugee admissions are down 50%
      2. There has been a massive crackdown on H1Bs, I’ve seen it in my own job
      3. Trump brings up the wall frequently, he mentioned it in his rally this week. Provisional work has already begun.

      Otis the Sweaty

      June 24, 2017 at 1:02 pm

      • Otis. Looks like Trump will deliver one thing this democrat cares about. Obamacare repeal. I am with all republicans on this one.

        wt

        June 25, 2017 at 1:55 am

      • i can’t tell if it’s gonna pass or not

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 25, 2017 at 8:19 am

      • FY Total
        Admitted
        Fiscal Year to the U.S.

        FY 2007 48,282
        FY 2008 60,191
        FY 2009 74,654
        FY 2010 73,311
        FY 2011 56,424
        FY 2012 58,238
        FY 2013 69,926
        FY 2014 69,987
        FY 2015 69,933
        FY 2016 84,994
        FY 2017 46,403

        That’s a little bit of progress in the largely trivial area of refugee admissions. Is he getting rid of the refugees already here? Is he ensuring that the refugees we do admit are non Hispanic white Christians (the only group that reliably assimilates)?

        I never doubted that Trump was the better choice on immigration. I am beginning to seriously doubt he was the better choice overall.

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 11:25 am

      • http://www.wrapsnet.org/s/Graph-Refugee-Admissions-2017_05_31.xls

        Never mind, its even better. The 46,403 is a partial figure for Nov – May. While the previous years figure is for a whole year. What a bunch of dupes republicans are! Although things are down somewhat (in the trivial area of refugee admissions) for the actual months of the Trump presidency.

        JAN FEB MAR APR MAY

        FY 2016 4,376 4,659 6,229 5,857 6,511
        FY 2017 6,777 4,580 2,070 3,316 3,989

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 11:43 am

    • where’s the wall? who cares, no one cares about that anymore. it’s gone down the memory hole with the rest of his promises.

      That isn’t true. Trump reiterated his vow to build the wall only two days ago, which he wouldn’t do if he had given up on it and was hoping people would forget about it. His most popular tweet in more than a week.

      Richard

      June 24, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    • trump is a yuge disappointment. but why? one should expect to be disappointed by politicians who need campaign donations. what explains trump? “i alone can fix it.” now it appears campaign finance reform, term limits, the wall, immigration reform aren’t going to happen.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      June 24, 2017 at 3:33 pm

      • Beverly Hills Ninja — Do you honestly expect us to believe you were ever a Trumpist? Nice try.

        destructure

        June 24, 2017 at 9:22 pm

      • i would like you to believe the truth, but i expect you will believe lies.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 25, 2017 at 2:00 am

      • Beverly Hills Ninja — I just realized who you are. And I do recall you supporting Trump during the campaign. But I thought your support very strange at the time.

        destructure

        June 25, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    • It’s absurd to think you can armchair quarterback US politics from the other side of the world. I’ve been to Australia a number of times. You people understand nothing of America. But you all think you do because you speak English and have access to American movies, websites, etc. And your news coverage is a complete joke. You’d be better off if you knew nothing because what you think you know now is wrong.

      destructure

      June 24, 2017 at 10:27 pm

      • LOL ok “bc i live here thererfore i have special knowledge that you dont!!” i don’t even have a T.V bro, how would i be getting my news of the world from that. the media here is trash, just like the sensationalist trash you call your own media. it’s pretty obvious that the average american instinctively conflates immigration entirely with illegal immigration, just like how australians have been trained to conflate migration with “the boat people” (though worse there). doesn’t take a life long american citizen to make an observation like this, especially given its made on blogs like this all the time. also LOL “i dont know anything abbout america bc i dont live here” but then you pontificate about how you know the australian media is a joke. oh why aren’t you applying your own standards to yourself huh? got some mighty keen insights into australia yourself for someone who doesnt live here.

        and trust me some idiot from dubbo weighing in on american politics is a lot better than what you all do to the rest of the world, pushing shitty policies, toxic cultural tropes and strong-arming (often at gunpoint) foreign nations all over the world into doing your bidding.

        james n.s.w

        June 25, 2017 at 1:12 am

  9. have you guys ever read the comment sections on breitbart.com? holy crap, i can’t decide who is dumber, those people or the regulars at huffpo. seriously.

    james n.s.w

    June 24, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    • Read the comments at Reason to complete the triad. We are doomed.

      Steve@steve.com

      June 24, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    • Have you ever read the articles on Breitbart? And what does it tell you that Bannon has worked in the media for so long but doesn’t have any proposals for how the government can fix it?

      Magnavox

      June 24, 2017 at 2:14 pm

  10. But of you believe in a borderless world then the snobs can claim that they are representing the poor of the world by enabling them all to come to America, rather than representing the smaller group of domestic poor who would once have been classed as their own. Working class people in the West still assume a sense of allegience in regard to their superiors that isn’t reciprocated.

    I sometimes wonder whether suffrage was an entirely good thing for the working classes. Noblesse oblige is a fine thing, but the point of it was that the ‘noblesse’ acknowledged their power and new they had to offer protection in return. But the whole principle of a universal franchise is that the working class can regard themselves as the equal of the higher classes, and if that’s the case can you expect Noblesse Oblige from people you regard as being equal, and whose interests you can even vote against?

    Furthermore, the accusation is often levelled that those with wealth and influence are able to manipulate the system in their favour. But if a poor person is to say this, then what were they hoping to achieve by getting the vote against people that they concede can run rings around them? Wasn’t it always destined to end this way, and shouldn’t part of the deal of getting the vote be the assumption that politically speaking your class are able to look after themselves?

    Mass immigration is very obviously a check-mate move against the working classes by destroying their bargaining power. The funny part is how much the left-wing parties have been enforcers of this.

    prolier than thou

    June 24, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    • The funny part is how much the left-wing parties have been enforcers of this.

      it’s not funny when one realizes that the “left-wing parties” are not left-wing. they’re just the devil’s advocate in the canonization of big business.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      June 24, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    • I believe the leftist elites who brought about and continue to sustain mass immigration think the new immigrants will feel a sense of loyalty to the elites for allowing them to immigrate. But nothing could be further from the truth. The immigrants regard whites as being weak and/or stupid and feel absolutely no loyalty or gratitude. Their only loyalty is to their own ethnicity , and often it is narrower than that and only to their own family or tribe. They will look out ONLY for their own family and co-ethnics, while the leftist whites who welcomed them continue exist in their unicorns-and-rainbow world of brotherly love across all races and tribes.

      Rosenmops

      June 24, 2017 at 6:23 pm

  11. The Democrats may be snobbish or socialist or hypocritical, doesn’t matter, what they are as an institution is genocidal against white people, and that’s all that counts. No, Hillary’s programs won’t help whites, the devastating cost over the last 70 years or so of Democratic party policies toward whites, from affirmative action to open borders to turning a blind eye to anti-white hate crimes, renders any welfare scheme they have of tossing them a few nickels to keep them quiet obscene.

    jb

    June 24, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    • how are republicans any diff????

      james n.s.w

      June 24, 2017 at 12:28 pm

      • I hate to be that guy, but here goes: the Republicans have proven that they’ll allow me to keep my guns.

        Without guns in the homes of ordinary white people, not even small towns would be safe from organized left-wing violence. SJW rioting would explode, and no place would be safe. It would be many times worse than what we’ve seen in places like Berkeley. Masked thugs would burn people in their homes, beat many to death, and most of them would get away with it. We would also see frequent non-white rioting and a respectable body count from that, too.

        That’s dumb, you say? Insane? Watch what happens when the demographic tsunami actually gives the Democrats their invincible majority on the national level.

        Stealth

        June 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      • Without guns in the homes of ordinary white people, not even small towns would be safe from organized left-wing violence.

        You are treating the symptom, not the disease. For the last 70 years people in Austria and Germany have lived perfectly free lives with far more restrictive gun laws than the US has. And we have a lot less violence. Now in the last 10 years that has perceptibly begun to change with street crime and home invasions both on the uptick. So now we have Austrians and Germans also claiming that we need to liberalize gun laws. But we don’t, we just need to send the criminal types back where they came from. By liberalizing gun laws white middle-class Europeans will feel safer but the result will just be to give the criminal population greater access to guns and then we will be in the same mess the US is in.

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 25, 2017 at 8:50 am

    • The Republican hatred of the poor and middle class is just as obscene and significant as the Democratic hatred of men, whites, and Christians.

      Magnavox

      June 24, 2017 at 2:17 pm

      • Maganox is getting more and more lame as time goes by.

        Gozo

        June 24, 2017 at 7:03 pm

      • Right…because “deplorable” was crafted by a Republican.

        Republicans are simply stupid and clueless…primarily for not learning to hate their enemies as much as they hate them.

        map

        June 24, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      • the GOP’s deficit hawkishness is based on a misunderstanding of economics and an ignorance of facts…or it’s not really about the deficit. if it were they wouldn’t cut taxes.

        it could be that trickle down works. let’s try it. for 35 years. fact: it failed. GOP says, “let’s keep trying it.”

        both parties are a complete joke. i hoped trump would change that. he won’t.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 25, 2017 at 2:18 am

      • Beverly Hills Ninja: The GOP haven’t been deficit hawks since Reagan, at least. They’re bigger borrowers than democrats. Giving tax cuts to the wealthy is the opposite of being a deficit hawk. I agree 100% with your last sentence. U

        map: How thin skinned can you be to think that being called a deplorable is so awful. Especially when she qualified it by saying she was referring to groups that the majority actually do consider deplorable. Even if I don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with being a racist, sexist, or anti Semite those groups are considered to be deplorable

        Magnavox

        June 25, 2017 at 11:31 am

    • Could the decrease in testosterone levels across the board be due to a decrease in violence? Or maybe it is a positively reinforcing cycle where an increasingly safe world leads to further drops in T and so on.

      We know that men who are exposed to soiled underwear of the opposite sex (or T-shirts) experience an up-tick in T levels and that being in a relationship can down regulate T levels so perhaps this is similar.

      In this regard, limited violence and danger such as the home invasions you speak of serve as an inoculation against much worser things.

      OldTimer

      June 28, 2017 at 11:49 am

  12. I don’t see how the Dems can ever win white America back. Boomer cucks went along with their anti white policies for purposes of virtue signaling. Generation Z will have none of that. Now that whites are facing the very real possibility of becoming a dispriveleged minority in the nation their ancestors built I expect middle America to go full Visigoth within the next 20 years. You don’t want to piss off a Saxon. An old school, working class Dem like Joe Biden is the only conceivable chance they have of retaking the white vote. But he is a relic and that whole generation will be dead soon. The Dem Party will be run exclusively by gays and minorities in coming years and will have zero appeal to normal whites. Then we enter the cold race war, which in all honest is already underway.

    B.T.D.T.

    June 24, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    • I doubt that many whites will rise up. The influential whites go to college where they are indoctrinated, and all whites watch TV and go to the movies. When there are transgender Jedi as the main characters in Star Wars and a Muslim James Bond and Michelle Obama is presented as this century’s sex symbol who can even think of rising up?

      Gozo

      June 24, 2017 at 7:08 pm

      • They will rise up once the colleges stop taking them and there is no job to go to.

        B.T.D.T.

        June 24, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    • “You don’t want to piss off a Saxon. An old school, working class Dem like Joe Biden is the only conceivable chance they have of retaking the white vote. But he is a relic and that whole generation will be dead soon. The Dem Party will be run exclusively by gays and minorities in coming years and will have zero appeal to normal whites. Then we enter the cold race war, which in all honest is already underway.”

      Yes, sir. And what comes after the cold race war? We all know the answer, of course. For every boomercuck there are 2.5 white kids and the ones who aren’t offing themselves with heroin are getting radicalized by the internet. There is going to be a hot civil war in this country in our lifetime. Any idiot can see it coming.

      Two in the Bush

      June 24, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      • RE: Whites radicalized by the internet

        The Democrats are trying to prevent this by destroying our culture of free speech and killing our First Amendment rights via such scams as campaign finance reform and net neutrality and direct attacks on speech like hate speech laws. If the Democrats take the White House and Congress our free speech rights are in dire trouble. This is one reason why it is so galling to see the mainstream conservatives like those at National Review and the libertarians like those at Reason so hostile to Trump: they know the Democrats are against free speech, and they are just the kind of people the Democrats will target when they get their anti-free speech apparatus up and running.

        Gozo

        June 24, 2017 at 11:59 pm

      • @ Gozo – I generally agree with you, but note that it isn’t just the right that is getting radicalized. It’s the left as well! Don’t believe it? Read the comments at r/politics sometime.

        Two in the Bush

        June 25, 2017 at 1:37 am

      • you’re confusing democrats and college professors. not the same thing at all. liberal and conservative justices don’t differ much in matters of free speech.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 25, 2017 at 2:09 am

      • “This is one reason why it is so galling to see the mainstream conservatives like those at National Review and the libertarians like those at Reason so hostile to Trump: they know the Democrats are against free speech, and they are just the kind of people the Democrats will target when they get their anti-free speech apparatus up and running.”

        The libertarians ultimately care more about legal pot than free speech. Ideally they would prefer both, but if it’s a choice, they’ll choose puff puff pass.

        Mike Street Station

        June 25, 2017 at 8:48 am

  13. Something peculiarly thin-skinned about leftists. The tolerate absolutely zero dissent or questioning of their orthodoxy. I’m willing to read or hear different opinions no matter how disagreeable. I especially welcome an opportunity for exchange with somebody who views me as a philosophical “equal,” what one would expect in a democracy which values all votes and opinions equally. Unfortunately I find these “reasonable” progressives astonishingly rare. If I make it clear that I believe that there should be some limits about how many, what kind and what concentrations of immigrants we welcome, this view is considered problematic and I’m branded a racist. They may call it a “conversation,” but it’s certainly no longer a discussion but rather a lecture. Sad thing is that I used to be an immigration enthusiast, but after enough “conversations” where I’m supposed to do all the listening, not permitted to ask questions about the lecture. I feel like I’m being pushed into the arms of the likes of Richard Spencer. Not that I at all like or agree with him or those like him, but they don’t give me the impression that they are cutting off all lines of communication and welcome any opportunity to meet or discuss with anybody.

    I used to believe that some kind of common ground might have been possible, in which we can in spite of differences find some agreement on values and a basis for compromise. Of course that now looks naive. With good faith (and good manners) I’ve engaged some of the more moderate pundits for example on Twitter. It still astonishes me how quick they are to go ad hominem and call me a racist and ban me from being able to see any of their subsequent contributions. What could they possibly be trying to achieve in that? I was not in any way being persistent or harassing. At the end of every exchange I was convinced, “OK I agree to disagree. Maybe the dialogue can continue on another day.” But they ban and block like little crybabies if their interlocutors don’t “Amen!” fast and hard enough. Are the folks on the right so thin-skinned too? Maybe. This week I discovered a Kevin Williamson of the National Review has me banned because I couldn’t see some tweet of his that somebody had quoted. I can’t even remember having any exchange whatsoever with the guy. Maybe I’m on some automatic block or ban list? I’ll live somehow. It’s just a pretty sad statement for our nation’s civic discourses when we not only choose to isolate ourselves ideologically but deny those we consider ideological rivals even the opportunity to view and consider our own perspectives.

    And California’s boycotting a bunch of deplorable states they find intolerable for not compelling with enough vigor all their cake decorators to bake gay cakes? The bien pensant nation is already clearly de facto divided and wants nothing to do with us deplorables. It has nothing to do with ideology or policy and everything to do with they think they’re so much more moral and righteous that it would be a sin to even take us or our opinions seriously. So what’s the point of talking any more?

    Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    June 24, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    • The left have really jumped the shark. Anyone who isn’t in favour of open borders and Black Lives Matter is basically Hitler, according to the leftists. This change seemed to come about during the Obama years, then came to a head with mass liberal hysteria when Trump was elected. The mass hysteria is still going full blast today.

      Rosenmops

      June 24, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      • both parties have jumped the shark. they say one thing for voters and do another for their constituents. their constituents aren’t their voters. both parties must emphasize the most laughable issues, because if they said what their policies really were no one would vote for them except the kochs.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 25, 2017 at 2:12 am

  14. To the extent that Hillary Clinton voters deny race realism, they’re not as smart as they think they are.

    MEH 0910

    June 24, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    • Elite libs do not really think that blacks are their equals…trust me. They are just their political minions.

      B.T.D.T.

      June 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm

  15. Reporter Robert Parry meant many of Hillary’s policies would have helped average Mexicans, Syrians, Nigerians, ….

    Mark Caplan

    June 24, 2017 at 11:11 pm

  16. When every mediocrity known to man is lauded as a ‘genius’ no wonder they have such a high opinion of themselves.

    “Also this weekend, the BET Experience at downtown’s L.A. Live will bring a socially conscious edge to the 5-year-old R&B and hip-hop-driven music festival built around the network’s annual awards show. Saturday afternoon’s “genius” talks will feature activist-filmmaker Ava DuVernay and tackle such topics as the U.S. prison system.”

    Curle

    June 24, 2017 at 11:11 pm

  17. I may not understand American politics that much but from what I’ve heard from political analyst around the globe, think you right. And I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen here at home (Kenya) with the current regime. Pride and carelessness is going to be there undoing. Uhuru Kenyatta is likely going to be a one term president.

    Madekesiworld

    June 25, 2017 at 1:32 am

  18. I’m european and i was elated trump won. Many of my friends were, too.

    We all saw trump like average repubs did: the sole man who dared criticise PC, Islam & immigration. I love Trump, hope he’ll succeed, builds the wall and implements his muslim ban. If the US will be succesful in the ban, we in europe might get one too.

    Maciano

    June 25, 2017 at 8:11 am


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