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Maternal mortality rate

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I was reading an article that as being critical of the United States because our maternal mortality rate is higher than for other developed nations.

https://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa10/hstat/mh/pages/237mm.html

If you look at the charts on the above-linked web page, you will see the culprits.

1. American women are getting pregnant at too late of an age. Maternal mortality rates increases significantly above the age of 35. No doubt that fertility treatments, which often results in multiple pregnancy, is surely to blame. Mother Nature wants women to have babies before they turn 30. Women are literally killing themselves by focusing on their career and waiting until their late 30s before trying to get pregnant.

2. Blacks have a much higher maternal mortality rate than any other race. I believe this is an HBD thing.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2223.html

The link above shows maternal mortality rate by country. (And yes, the United States is quite a bit higher than many other developed countries.) Is there any majority-black countries that have a lower maternal mortality rate than blacks in the United States? There is only one, Barbados, clocking in at 27.

Barbados is an island with a tiny population (less than 300,000) and a relatively high GDP per capita because of tourism. Barbados must have unusually excellent first-world-quality maternal healthcare for a majority black country. The Bahamas, which has an even higher GDP per capita, has a third-world maternal mortality rate of 80.

Here is a list of countries by GDP per capita:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 26, 2017 at 9:57 am

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  1. The rates are pretty tiny, even for the over 35 category: 32 per 100,000 is a pretty miniscule risk.

    DataExplorer

    June 26, 2017 at 10:11 am

    • Talk about different contexts, the managers of the Major Home Improvement Retailer where I work are incessantly babbling about the store’s performance on customer satisfaction surveys. If the average goes down from 4.35 to 4.20 in a week it’s a major catastrophe.
      As I’ve tried pointing out to absolutely no avail, the number of customers who fill out these surveys are extremely small. The store gets hundreds of customers a day, maybe four or five of whom fill out a survey. That’s such a meaninglessly small number you can’t draw any conclusions at all.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      June 26, 2017 at 1:10 pm

      • Also a biased survey since only people with strong opinions will bother filling it out. Voluntary surveys such as this tend to be biased towards people with strong negative opinions.

        Rosenmops

        June 26, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      • I go to two Major Home Improvement Retailers. At one of the MHIRs, the employees are very friendly and eager to help you out. They’re very knowledgeable and can explain how to do what you’re trying to fix or do. In fact, it can be annoying at times when there are lots of employees at the store at a particular time and they’re constantly approaching you to ask if you need help even though you already know what you need or got help already. I’m sure this is driven by the managers who push the employees to be very helpful. The other MHIR I go to on the other hand is almost the complete opposite, even though the demographics of the employees are the same at both stores. There the employees seem to deliberately try to avoid the customers and not initiate contact. They’re constantly walking away from customers or pretending to look busy doing something else. Other than this, the two MHIRs are virtually identical, just with different color logos.

        Tom

        June 26, 2017 at 3:59 pm

      • “At one of the MHIRs, the employees are very friendly and eager to help you out. They’re very knowledgeable and can explain how to do what you’re trying to fix or do. In fact, it can be annoying at times when there are lots of employees at the store at a particular time and they’re constantly approaching you to ask if you need help even though you already know what you need or got help already.”

        I’ve had that issue with the managers at the MHIR. They’re always saying that employees should be pro-active, approaching customers and asking them if they need help. I’ve pointed out that doing so is more likely to annoy customers, in fact one advantage of the huge online company that I call The River is that you never have to deal with annoying salesmen. What I generally do is greet customers (“Good afternoon!”) so they know I’m around, but don’t come right out and ask if they need help. If they do, they will ask.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        June 26, 2017 at 5:12 pm

      • it can be annoying at times when there are lots of employees at the store at a particular time and they’re constantly approaching you to ask if you need help

        At least they don’t ask for your name & address like I was required to do back in the early ’80s when I worked at Radio Shack. Now that annoyed the customers, but Shack senior management insisted on collecting the customer name and address. We even got judged on our collection rate. Maybe that’s another reason why the Shack has been going out of business for 20 years.

        E. Rekshun

        June 26, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    • That sort of puts the “high” murder rate in context as it is about 20 per 100,000 in the U.S. and about 5 per 100,000 among U.S. non-African-Americans.

      CamelCaseRob

      June 28, 2017 at 9:20 am

  2. Actual numbers of maternal deaths in the US are so small it may not be meaningful to draw any conclusions.

    Perer

    ironrailsironweights

    June 26, 2017 at 10:21 am

  3. Same old story. Take blacks out of the statistics, and America looks a lot closer to European countries on measures of social welfare. On the other hand, things are changing very rapidly in Europe and I bet 2017 statistics show a lot of increase over the past five years in social pathologies in rapidly browning and blacking Euro nations. Of course, that’s why some of them, like France, deliberately do not keep racial statistics (which is really amazing when you think about it). But still, overall rates of crime and violence will be up dramatically (though governments will fudge and fake to hide the reality) and rates of health welfare will be down. This will also be due to the dramatic darkening of the healthcare workforce in places like U.K.

    And of course, crack-pot feminism is even more alive in Europe than America, and white women put off having babies, if they have them at all. Blacks, on the other hand, simply don’t take care of themselves. Is there a correlation between being grossly overweight and maternal mortality? Or drug/alcohol use and maternal mortality? What I “love” about these studies is they just look at the raw numbers and nobody dares ask “why” there is a racial differential. After all, humans are all precisely equal, so the only answer must be [drum roll] Racism!!!

    (sorry if this is posting multiple times: WordPress keeps failing so I post again)

    peterike

    June 26, 2017 at 10:36 am

    • Most countries don’t keep statistics on race, especially with regards to education. Everyone knows blacks do worse on average in school but it is never spoken of in Canada.

      The only race statistics I have seen in Canada involve aboriginal Canadians being highly overrepresented in prisons. This is always attributed to racism, of course. Or their grandparents being in residential schools.

      Rosenmops

      June 26, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    • True about France, and I see many cute French girls giggling with North African guys. This you do not find in Anglo nations. And the French really enjoy engaging with their colonial subjects. Have you been to a French speaking group in NYC? You’ll be shocked and I was very shocked at first that guys from Morocco and Haiti were laughing hard with their White French counterparts and their women. But this reminds me of Hispanic culture. Latin culture is generally more natural and gregarious, but not necessarily egalitarian. Anglo culture is all about feeling repressed (after all, Englishmen are incels if you compare them to the French and Spanish). PC culture is not healthy for anyone.

      JS

      June 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm

      • And Lion is right about sex starved, beta rage. The Paris shooting at the Bataclan involved beta Muslim dudes killing a few of their own who were successful with native French women. It has nothing do with religion, it was motivated by isolation and envy.

        JS

        June 26, 2017 at 2:13 pm

      • The Latins (I include especially the Spanish)feel that if you have one drop of latin-Celtiberian blood, you’re white.

        If you don’t, you may be from Sweden but they subconsciously look at you as some sort of self-defeating Asian. Junior whites, maybe. The UK/Ireland is an errant province as far as they’re concerned and gets a pass.

        That doesn’t mean they don’t enforce a strict racial code socially. They do, but IMHO it’s more a reflection of what clan you belong to, with the top being the Galician-Roman clans who stopped the Islamic invaders. I was once at a cocktail party with these people (very long story). It’s like a parallel world. They see North America as the workshop and South America as the entertainment room in the basement. They have well-developed plans to make China an Hispanic nation (one-drop, remember) and intend to level of South American immigration in the US at some point and encourage the more UK bloodlines. They want to expand the US to over 50% of the globe, create space colonies. They had agents emplaced all over the USSR to bring it down. This was at a cocktail party in the late ’70’s. Very patient.

        PC is like a weird bug being studied to these people, a curiosity to be crushed when they get bored. This helps me sleep at night. Somewhat.

        rob

        June 26, 2017 at 6:57 pm

      • You might have a point. Lowly Hispanics have taken over America and the better ones are already trying to conquer the Latin Quarter of Montréal. I don’t know what kind of threat would that pose when Spanish meets French. The French already hate the Anglophones and their hegemonic dominance. It would be interesting to say the least, but every Spanish speaker whom I’ve met, speaks French. However, Northern Italians zip past NYC and head for Canada in order to avoid their southerly parochial cousins of Staten Island and any place that listens to Bruce Springsteen.

        I spoke to a lovely lady from Chile living in the city and she thinks the entire new world should just be called “Las Americas” (in Spanish, the Americas). She makes our elites look like dilettantes when it comes to word “globalism”. Spain is heading for another universal empire.

        JS

        June 26, 2017 at 9:43 pm

  4. If we go back to across the board employment at-will, thus eliminating the field known as Employment Law, girl-lawyer and HR positions would disappear, women would return to having babies earlier, and we’d beat the world on maternal mortality figures.

    Marty

    June 26, 2017 at 10:59 am

    • That’s retarded.

      Get the border under control, mass deportations, sanity on trade, subsidized childcare, vastly lower house and rent prices…THEN the birth rate will go up.

      It’s always amusing to see trucon tards being manipulated into destroying their own prospects out of hatred for women. What precisely do they think is going to happen to white men if all employment is at-will?

      Jesse

      June 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm

  5. 1. NeoGaf flipping out over the SC ruling in Trump’s favor to allow the travel ban to remain in effect until the Court has a chance to hear the case int he fall.

    2. I want to talk about our bench post Trump. I see 3 strong candidates: Greg Abbott, Tom Cotton and Kris Kobach. You can add in Scott Brown if he manages to win a Senate seat next time NH is up. If Trump wins a 2nd term, Pence will likely be the nom, but we would need a strong VP to babysit him.

    3. I’m unsure what the status of the healthcare bill is. Passing it would give us a political win although doing so in this case certainly won’t help Trump’s popularity, but it would be good to troll the Left. Also this bill sets the stage for tax reform which could help kick off a credit boom which is very necessary to get Trump re-elected.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 26, 2017 at 11:11 am

  6. People can’t afford to have kids in their early, or even mid, 20s. That’s simply a fact – and if you’re telling them to suck it up, move to butt fuck nowhere and start breeding, then congratulations, you’re no better than the Trucons. Go write for the National Review. You want to tell people what to do with their fertility, you have to give them something in return. That means good jobs, affordable houses with the *COUGH* good schools. Do that, and the birthrate of responsible people will go up of its own accord.

    But you won’t, because that would be haaaaaaaard. People would call you raaaaaaayciss.

    There is a huge problem, including in this blog, with people not understanding that history didn’t begin in the 1950s. That was a hugely odd moment in world and American history, especially in the “everyone gets married at 20 and has a tonne of kids”. That didn’t happen before, it hasn’t happened since and it won’t again unless you can flatten the rest of the world and completely redo all trade completely in America’s favor”. Western history, traditionally, has had relatively late marriages and what would strike tribal societies as catastrophic numbers of women not reproducing. And it’s worked well for the societies as a whole.

    HBD also applies to white people. The kind of woman who dies giving birth at 37 is the kind of person who will have an elevated mortality risk giving birth at 20.

    Jesse

    June 26, 2017 at 11:40 am

    • “… history didn’t begin in the 1950s.”

      Actually, if the issue is affordable family formation, history actually did begin in the ’50’s. If it hadn’t been for Earl Warren and Brown, post-Boomers gens might well have enjoyed job markets and social conditions very much like Ward Cleaver did. The issue isn’t many kids, it’s 2 kids with a mother at home. Can’t do that if public sector employment is entirely closed to whites and the only private sector jobs over minimum wage require a 130 IQ.

      Tiny Blades

      June 26, 2017 at 12:55 pm

      • History is one big regression towards the mean. The 50s was a deep anomaly. Everything we’ve seen since, whatever you think about it, is a regression towards the historical mean. If you want it back lock stock, fine, whatever. But don’t delude yourself that you can get there by foisting the most visible but ultimately irrelevent factors (tonnes of SAHMs, for instance) when you’re going to have to have massive deportations, probably do unto various groups as various ME countries did to their Jews and raze the entire world economic system. Focus on doing the difficult work.

        Jesse

        June 26, 2017 at 1:27 pm

      • *The issue isn’t many kids*

        The problem as with all things is the opportunity costs of raising children to modern middle class standards. It’s far more enticing to have fun in one’s twenties (and early thirties) than to raise children, especially if one has high income to maximize that portion of one’s life.

        David Alexander

        June 26, 2017 at 3:25 pm

      • Is public sector employment really closed off to whites? That’s not what it seems like in dc. State, cia, treasury, doj, sec, are full of whites. The IC in general is quite white.

        Simba of the blogosphere

        June 26, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    • “People can’t afford to have kids in their early, or even mid, 20s.”

      Massive student loan debt is undeniably a big factor.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      June 26, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      • Yes. Having 200k+ worth of debt (assuming both man & woman have degrees) and needing another 300,000 to buy a modest house puts a mild damper on family formation.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        June 26, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    • >You want to tell people what to do with their fertility, you have to give them something in return.

      Gibs me dat affordabul fambly formationz!

      Your ancestors managed to have many children and raise some of them to maturity in conditions that would make you faint, working harder than you’ve ever worked, every single day. Wars, plagues, Indian raids, squalor, whatever-they ground through it.

      But you can’t manage to reproduce unless you can have your own condo in Manhattan (not Colorado, heaven forbid) and at least $50K per year of disposable income after paying expenses.

      You people SHOULD go extinct, for being so weak and contemptible.

      B

      June 27, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      • Simply, society doesn’t encourage women to have children. That’s all there is to it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 27, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      • Well, a society that does not encourage women to have children (and actively discourages them) does not want to exist, should not exist and will not exist soon.

        If you happen to be a member of such a society and you DO want to exist, you should find yourself a different society.

  7. Doesnt immigration drive up these numbers?

    Lion o' the Turambar

    June 26, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    • Hispanics have lower maternal mortality rates, even the poorest ones, and blacks have higher ones, even the richest ones.

      Jesse

      June 26, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      • “Hispanics have lower maternal mortality rates”

        Is that because they start popping out ninos when they’re 17 years old? I don’t see a lot of 38 year old Mexers pushing baby carriages. They all seem below 25 — and I see a lot of them.

        peterike

        June 26, 2017 at 5:45 pm

      • Even accounting for age, SES, place of origin, IQ…They simply birth easier.

        Also, remember that they’re having babies from about 15 to menopause. There were more women having kids post 35 in Ye Olden Times in America than now.

        Jesse

        June 27, 2017 at 9:07 am

    • Immigration is actually REDUCING the numbers, because Hispanics have lower maternal mortality than non-Hispanic whites, and a lot lower than non-Hispanic blacks.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 26, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      • If non-US born Hispanics have a lower maternal mortality rate, than how is that an HBD thing?

        gothamette

        June 26, 2017 at 3:55 pm

      • I meant to write, “than other demographic groups.”

        Non-US born Hispanics resident in the US also have the lowest infant mortality rates of any demographic group. This suggests that culture is the determinant. Foreign born Hispanics, don’t smoke, don’t stress, and don’t gorge on junk food. They take advantage of abundant good food here, and a 1st world medical system.

        The next generation acculturates and collapses.

        gothamette

        June 26, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      • Maybe it is because Hispanics tend to have babies when they are young. But then I suppose blacks do too.

        Rosenmops

        June 26, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • @rosenmops,

        Good point. Average age 1st birth:

        https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db232.pdf

        Non-H black & Mexican virtual tie.

        There’s something else going on – Hispanics in general and Messkans in particular have a very good culture for fostering maternity and maternalism.

        BTW I’m in a Staples in Manhattan right now and the young guy fixing one of the computers is Hispanic. Meaning he’s taken the whole shebang apart and is working through a shit-ton of components, etc. He speaks unaccented English. He looks like he knows what he’s doing. I never see African-Americans doing that sort of work. Just an observation.

        gothamette

        June 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm

      • Computers are easy to fix unless you are talking about soldering a motherboard using advanced equipment only found in an Intel clean lab, which you are clearly not.

        It’s not much different than being an auto mechanic and actually might be a lot easier.

        OldTimer

        July 1, 2017 at 1:56 pm

  8. The mortality issue pops up periodically. The usual response is that there is a difference between how the USA and other nations report these numbers. Dangerously premature births may or may not be reported depending on the country, and the USA makes a more valiant attempt at saving these infants. I don’t know if there is anything to it, but that’s usually what you hear.

    steve@steve.com

    June 26, 2017 at 1:18 pm

  9. “Mother Nature wants women to have babies before they turn 30.”

    Really pregnancy is OK and totally natural until mid-late 30s I think.

    Two in the Bush

    June 26, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    • This is saying the exact same thing. Any woman who hasn’t had a child by 30 is probably not reproducing at replacement rate.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      June 26, 2017 at 9:38 pm

  10. There’s a nasty tendency in HBD circles to try to square it so that the people below you on the feeding chain are there because they’re naturally “inferior”, while those above you are there because society is inherently unfair.

    This has something similar, in that you’re trying to say that high black maternal mortality is inherent (which it might be) and nothing can be done to help but also say, with no evidence whatsoever, that white maternal mortality is something that can be helped.

    Jesse

    June 26, 2017 at 1:50 pm

  11. OT: back in the immediate post 9/11 days, Joel Mowbray was an up-and-coming conservative investigative journalist. He actually took on the Saudis and exposed a visa scandal in NRO.

    Hadn’t heard much from him lately and seemed like he had parted from National Review on bad terms. Now he does “consulting” for Silicon Valley.

    And holy cow, look who this dweeby looking guy just married. Miss Universe Germany 2011!

    https://www.theknot.com/us/valeria-bystritskaia-and-joel-mowbray-may-2017

    The couple met in synagogue at Kiddush last May, the first Shabbat after Passover.

    Fiddlesticks

    June 26, 2017 at 2:40 pm

    • LOL! There’s something really funny about the look on his face in that picture. Good for him.

      Two in the Bush

      June 26, 2017 at 5:50 pm

  12. from my years in obs/gyn a few personal observations and absorbed from the midwives:

    (warning, hbd content)

    1. maternal mortality in africa/afrocaribean is heavily biased by the callousness and ignorance of black ‘obstetricians’ and midwifery/nursing staff.

    2. labour pains and struggles due to differences in the anatomy of the pelvic opening (afroid>latin american>caucasian/indian>north east asian excluding mongolians/inuit due to darwinian causes). robustes vs graciles, all going well africans just cough out their babies.

    3. africans have more twin etc pregnancies causing more obstetical troubles.

    4. blacks come in to give birth at the last moment, undisclosed self-medicated w/ aspirin causing uncontrollable post-partum bleeds.

    5. africans in general seem to be more robust, but less resilient for trauma/shock. when fit hits the shan, they tend to die suddenly without much warning.

    6. all this seems independent from health care systems or social status. welfare, money, better standards and practice won’t change much.

    my 2 centavos…

    mr hunter

    June 26, 2017 at 3:56 pm

  13. If indeed the maternal mortality rate has risen, and isn’t just a statistical quirk, one possible explanation (I’m really just speculating here) is that women with significant medical conditions are more likely to try to have children today.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    June 26, 2017 at 9:52 pm

  14. At reddit I have noticed a group of people who are militantly child-free.

    Many of the woman seem to have an extreme and unnatural fear of pregnancy and childbirth.

    Seems odd.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/

    Rosenmops

    June 26, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    • That is sad to hear. It is unhealthy to completely avoid things that are difficult. A child who lives in an antiseptic house may grow up to be allergic to many things. If you only eat really good food really well prepared you will not fare well when you get a stochastic disease that your body did not expect. Weight lifters who lift the same types of weight again and again – or golfers who take the same dramatic swing millions of times – often unknowingly are preparing themselves to be vulnerable to injuries in specific parts of their bodies, sometimes the weakest parts (the vertebrae region of the back for the golfers). Better off not to specialize, even if that means you will never make the pro tour….. life goes on and there are near infinite opportunities for happiness off the PGA tour …. A high protein diet guy is more likely to hit home runs than a normal guy, but the high protein diet guy may be mistreating his digestive system – the esophagus is usually ok, but everything from the stomach down … well, avoid extreme diets (you probably know that). As for women who fear childbirth, that is sad!, might as well be one of those guys who are afraid of marrying even a good woman, in either case it is sad and actually very silly, and nobody should be ‘silly’ and a grown-up at the same time!

      howitzer daniel

      June 27, 2017 at 12:32 am

    • Reddit is very young, a lot of those child free people are going to get impregnated from the first sperm thrown at them when they hit mid thirties.

      Hashed

      June 27, 2017 at 4:41 am

    • For people who don’t care about children they sure do have a lot of energy invested in not caring about children. I think a lot of it is defensive rationalization, sort of a female version of MGTOW.

      Richard

      June 27, 2017 at 10:18 am

      • An excellent example of why women need their social network to encourage and support their choice of child-rearing (and why, in general, society should be encouraged to foster this).

        In 50 years if any of us are still around, it’ll be fascinating to see the Islamic & Hispanic scholars combing through /r/Childfree archives to chart the decline of American civilization, marking every vanity cosmetic product, eat/pray/love trip to third world nations, and enrollment in genderqueer intersectional theater.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        June 27, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    • There have always been people like that. In the old days they would go into convents & monasteries.

      gothamette

      June 27, 2017 at 2:25 pm

  15. have any mentioned assange’s statement regarding the dems? short and worth reading.
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spvqcj

    Beverly Hills Ninja

    June 27, 2017 at 2:36 pm

  16. @Rob – do Latinos really consider themselves white? I hear them refer to “white people” in a way that makes me think they don’t.

    Lion has discussed this before — who is white? I think the term should be used to refer only to people with lightish skin — including Jews (but per below many Jews are Caucasian but not white). Using that as a guide, most Italians aren’t white, nor are most Spanish, Greeks, Turks, etc.

    So, what are they? They’re Causcasians of which whites are only a tiny subset. So when people refer to non-Hispanic Whites what they really mean are non-Hispanic Caucasians. That is, 63% of the U.S. consists of non-Hispanic Caucasians. The number of actual whites is much, much smaller.

    CamelCaseRob

    June 28, 2017 at 10:16 am

    • If whiteness keeps getting restricted to smaller and smaller groups then you’re not going to like it when the redefined majority has the votes to actually enforce their scapegoating with action.

      Richard

      June 28, 2017 at 12:43 pm

  17. Lion,

    You made an obvious error here, ascribing the maternal mortality rate to higher age at first birth, yet Asians & whites both have a higher age at 1st birth than blacks and a lower mortality rate.

    gothamette

    June 28, 2017 at 3:45 pm


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