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No books in Seaside Heights, but plenty in the Hamptons

Maybe commenter “Maryk” was joking, but doing some searching on Google, I found no bookstores in Seaside Heights or anywhere else on that peninsula, all the way from Island Beach State Park at the south end to Point Pleasant on the north end, no bookstores at all.

In contrast, each of the main shopping areas in the Hamptons—Sag Harbor, East Hampton, and Southampton—has multiple bookstores. Plus there’s also a bookstore in Montauk.

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June 29, 2017 at 4:31 pm

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  1. Why would there be a bookstore in any Jersey shore town? For one thing it’s extremely expensive real estate to operate a seasonal business selling books when you could open a bookstore just across the bridge from Seaside in Toms River for instance for a fraction of the price and have a year-round population.

    Roxborough's Son

    June 29, 2017 at 4:48 pm

  2. Who’s to say Seasiders don’t order their books thru Amazon.

    Roli

    June 29, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    • Exactly what I was thinking. But I was only partly joking about a bookstore in Seaside Heights. Of course, the less formal education a group has and the more blue collar they are the less likely they are to be readers, so there’s no reason to think IA areas would have more bookstores than other areas of similar SES. But even among the IA and or blue collar population, the readers would tend to get their books used and online. It’s far cheaper this way. Amazon and halfcom sell a lot of books for $4-5. At Strand or Barnes and Noble you’d pay 2 or 3 times this amount.

      But in all honesty, we have no specific anti-intellectual attitude in Italian-American culture. We have our bookish types, as all cultures do. But unlike black American culture or British working class welfare our disability culture, you really don’t find anyone being teased or tormented for being an intellectual or a bookworm. Bookish or intellectual endeavors are viewed simply as a hobby one may enjoy – like gardening, painting, taking up an instrument. However, there is little tolerance for people who show off their knowledge too much and get “in your face” about it. Those who do this may be met with that famous “what do you think, you’re better than me?” attitude that you see in IA characters in movies and TV shows.

      Maryk

      June 29, 2017 at 5:16 pm

      • NYC’s Little Italy has no Italian Language bookshop. The one in the French Speaking Canadian city does, so what does this tell you? And plenty of Northern Italians also congregate there, so what does this also tell you?

        JS

        June 29, 2017 at 6:41 pm

      • Little Italy is a tourist trap and not for native New Yorkers.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 29, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      • JS, what’s called Little Italy in Manhattan is an area that hasn’t been Italian for decades. There is almost nothing left there that’s Italian. I know about Italian Americans, but know little about Italian Canadians. Perhaps the latter have more of a reading habit. If so, then good for them. At least they are less likely to be labeled as guidos!

        Maryk

        June 29, 2017 at 6:58 pm

      • MaryK — I don’t ever recall a bookstore in Little Italy when it was a real neighborhood.

        JS

        June 29, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      • Here in San Francisco we have an independent bookstore/publisher that is one of the most culturally significant in the USA. It was founded by an Italian American named Lawrence Ferlinghetti and it is located in North Beach, SF’s Italian neighborhood. That said, North Beach is quite touristy as well these days.

        When I lived in Italy (Florence) there were multiple bookstores in my neighborhood alone. Italians love American author Charles Bukowski, and they were the first country to make a movie based on his work. Italian American actor Ben Gazzara portrayed Bukowski in the movie.

        Lothar of the Hill People

        June 29, 2017 at 8:05 pm

      • “When I lived in Italy (Florence) there were multiple bookstores in my neighborhood alone”.

        Montréal has that European vibe and there are sections of the city, where there are a few bookstores located on on the same street/boulevard separated by a few blocks, each with their own unique offerings. One can find an Italian language bookstore, a Spanish language bookstore (a few of them actually), bookstores that import titles from France etc..so forth. There are even bookstores that sell books imported from the Mideast. Last but not least, there are Anglophone bookstores, but many of them are beginning to fold up-go out of business. You have Toronto and the United States for those, and they are a dime in a dozen.

        New York/Manhattan has nothing of this sort. It’s just a wealthy Anglosphere playground for frivolous consumption, consisting mostly food n drink, which are found in all cities.

        JS

        June 29, 2017 at 9:37 pm

      • Maryk.

        In the video, Michael Cera, an Italian Canadian, interacts with a few cast members from Jersey Shore.

        Stealth

        June 29, 2017 at 9:51 pm

      • JS, stop talking through your hat. Manhattan has French, Spanish and Yiddish bookstores that I know of. Brooklyn has a few Russian and tons of Hebrew bookstores. You just like during America for no reason and make stuff up as you go.

        Thus having been said, Americans don’t read a lot. But most of what is printed is trash, so maybe it’s better not to read then to read unless you read good stuff?

        Yakov

        June 29, 2017 at 11:25 pm

      • “In the video, Michael Cera, an Italian Canadian, interacts with a few cast members from Jersey Shore.”

        Too funny! But his attempts to be a guido failed terribly. Some Italians can’t be guidos even if they try. I have only one trait that fits in with guido culture – I can cuss up a storm when I get angry. But other than this I’d be a fish out of water among guidos/guidettes.

        His nickname became “Cera nation.” I thought it might be “MikeyC.”

        Maryk

        June 29, 2017 at 11:58 pm

      • JS — You’re not French and you’re not from Montreal. You’re a Puerto Rican mulatto trying to pass for something you’re not. PR’s have similar levels of dysfunctional behavior as blacks. IA’s (even the prole, guido type) are nowhere near as dysfunctional as PR’s.

        destructure

        June 30, 2017 at 12:09 am

      • Yakov — Where? All those bookstores are gone. Yiddish bookstore? You really meant Judaica!

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 8:03 am

      • This is one of your dumbest tangents. There are bookstores all over Manhattan. There are also Judaica bookstores. Judaism is a very literate religion.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 30, 2017 at 8:09 am

      • Find me a French or Spanish language bookstore in Manhattan. Where is a Yiddish bookstore in Manhattan? Perhaps there’s one on the Lower East Side, I can’t seem to find one, but Midtown has one or two shops that sell “Judaica” books/items.

        Barnes & Nobles are everywhere in Manhattan, if you count them as bookstores.

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 8:23 am

      • JS, no, I’d ment secular Yiddish bookstores. The Workman’s Circle on East 37 has one and then this https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/cityroom/2012/05/21/a-new-home-for-an-endangered-yiddish-bookstore/?referer=

        There maybe more, but I don’t like Yiddish literature so that’s all I know.

        Yakov

        June 30, 2017 at 9:24 am

      • French bookstore among many others:
        https://www.google.com/search?q=French+bookstores+in+Manhattan&oq=French+bookstores+in+Manhattan+&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.7837j0j4&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#istate=lrl:iv&rlimm=7661173349209904493&xxri=2

        There are many Spanish bookstores. I don’t think it’s too difficult to imagine that it’s so.

        Yakov

        June 30, 2017 at 9:35 am

      • And ofcourse the ubiquitous Cervantes Institute is present in NYC just like it is in Moscow and Tel-Aviv.

        Yakov

        June 30, 2017 at 11:50 am

      • “Bookish or intellectual endeavors are viewed simply as a hobby one may enjoy – like gardening, painting…”

        Italian neighborhoods are always beautifully maintained. They love to garden.

        gothamette

        June 30, 2017 at 12:31 pm

      • Yakov — It’s like you try hard to defend NYC as an epicenter of cultural sophistication and it doesn’t even come close to Montréal, even with things that are not French related. Did you know that a Spanish bookstore and the Montréal Cultural Association in the French Speaking city organized several events in 2016 commemorating the death of Miguel Cervantes after 400 years. He died in 1616 and last year was 2016, which marked the 400th year since his death. What did the Cervantes Institute in NYC do to remember him? It seems like most people don’t even care for this place, because most New Yorkers are too busy chasing money.

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      • Montreal is too cold in the winter.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 30, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      • Yes, it is, but Canada is a saner place despite the cold weather.

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 5:26 pm

      • NYC is a normal Western metropolis with everything that this implies and I don’t know why you have a pathological need to present it as a primitive village.

        This having been said, Cervantes Institute in Moscow or Tel-Aviv would have a richer program due to more intellectual climate and higher IQ of the population.

        Yakov

        July 1, 2017 at 11:07 pm

  3. Do they not have Amazon in Seaside Heights?

    Gerald B

    June 29, 2017 at 5:00 pm

  4. IHTG

    June 29, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    • Capital!

      Yakov

      June 29, 2017 at 6:55 pm

  5. You need a bookstore at the beach because a lot of people like to read when they go to the beach and not everybody remembers to bring a book. Big oversight if you ask me.

    Lion: can you talk about the NRA ad?

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 29, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    • When I was a kid and I used to go to the Jersey Shore, there were plenty of places to buy beach reads.

      Shore drug & convenience stores exposed me to Stephen King and Science Fiction and launched a habit that continued on through college. Sure it wasn’t great literature, but what beach books are?

      I’m convinced that “quality book stores” are more for poseur BoBos who fancy themselves as intellectuals and like to steep in the classy milieu of other folks who try to present themselves to be “well-read.” Bookstores are more of a cruisey scene for folks who want to present themselves and get exposure. Think of it as a low-rider / hot-rod meetup for bookworms.

      Reading is a solitary activity; what do real readers & curious minds need that phony scene for anyways?

      If I don’t get my books from my own private solitude, I’ll order them for pickup at the public library among the the proles, the homeless, tiger moms & cubs that frequent it.

      Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      June 29, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      • “Reading is a solitary activity; what do real readers & curious minds need that phony scene for anyways?”

        Thank you. I’ve often felt the same way. Reading IS a solitary activity. This is why I could never understand why people always thought that if you liked reading and learning that you’d excel in school. I always felt school was a DRAIN on my intellectual life. Although I ended up with an advanced degree eventually my academic career has numerous setbacks because I’d always drift away from my course work to my own personal “life of the mind” learning.

        Today book stores are basically unnecessary. But before the internet they were the main way people bought books. Even today I occasionally treat myself to a book store visit the way most people occasionally treat themselves to a “night out on the town.”

        Maryk

        June 29, 2017 at 7:15 pm

      • Real bookstores are necessary in the sense that it brings like minded people together, where it serves as a form of cultural capital.

        One of the biggest laments of gentrification in Manhattan coming from many White people who have been living in NYC for ages, is the disappearance of independent bookshops.

        JS

        June 29, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      • MaryK: what is your reaction to the Mika thing? Are you are horrified as most of your fellow TruCons are?

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 29, 2017 at 7:55 pm

      • “MaryK: what is your reaction to the Mika thing?”

        I think what the president said about her bleeding from a facelift was inappropriate. He should avoid all talk of women bleeding from ANY part of their anatomy. And she shouldn’t have responded with a tweet about his “small hands.” I haven’t read what other “Truecons” think. Are they surprised at how Trump is acting? Conservatives tend to rally around one of their own. But personally, I don’t know what I think anymore. Are we better off with Trump having won? Will he end up doing more harm to conservatism in the long run? Find out in future episodes of “As Ameriprolestan turns.” (JS, see what you’ve done to me with all your talk of America being a prole nation?. Next thing you know I’ll be visiting Montreal to check out Italian bookstores! And I was actually in Montreal for “Expo 67” as a child)

        Maryk

        June 29, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      • yeah the TruCon scum are flipping their shit.

        Initially I was against the tweet simply because I thought it was another unnecessary distraction. But seeing the Left go into total meltdown over it convinced me that it was a good idea.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 30, 2017 at 9:37 am

      • Trump is a brute, but he is our brute, so we have to ignore him running wild.

        Yakov

        June 30, 2017 at 11:36 am

      • I’ve been thinking about this more and more.

        I’ve lived in some big cities in the US and in Europe… Really special places where so many of the young are drawn like the salmon smolts are drawn out to the wide ocean. All of these places, no matter their charms, have always been filled with large number of sad lonely rootless souls. They go to places like hip bars and bookstores so they can imagine themselves as some deep and grand actors on the stage of some big city drama. But they’re other than being together there breathing the same city air that they all find so glamorous, they’re still all alone.

        All these little people from the little towns pretending to play on little imaginary stages of the big city so they can look down their little noses on the little places they left behind.

        Educated secular rootless cosmopolitan strivers don’t have churches or clubs or real community ties. They still yearn for some sense of authenticity. It’s produced and presented so to conform to their fancy fantasies of genuine urban flair, but it lacks any connection to continuity and tradition to the people and places… whether the people and places they’ve left behind or the people and places where these restless and rootless souls have settled in order to chase their dreams. They’re cultural vampires consuming the performance of their new milieu like a tourist might mindlessly licks at an ice cream, because that’s the proper thing you do at the beach to maximize pleasure.

        For these any bookstores will be poor substitute for a real community that requires inconvenience and sacrifice. But that’s what they wanted… freedom from obligation, duty or commitment. They left all that behind! So any imagined “connections” that a bookstore could provide are inevitably shallow and phony. Even the current incarnation of bookstores is completely novel and ahistoric. The bookstores of our great grandparents probably didn’t have any place whatsoever to sit comfortably and linger and pass the time. The Lion shared that interesting film of NY in 1911. Imagine how the bookstores in that city at that time were… Probably cramped dusty places without self service where you had to request anything you wanted and paid then left. Discussions of literature happened outside the bookstores because people didn’t have any better distractions competing for their attention and they were all on the same page of whatever was the current fashion… much like we now all would discuss the latest quality serialized television dramas that dominate conversation everywhere from the Lion’s den here to the NYTimes & Bezos Post to Slate, Heartiste’s Chateau, Jezebel, Breitbart, Salon or Steve Sailer’s place….

        Nowadays bookstores are filled with tourists and poseurs spending more time with their laptops and mobile internet devices spread about vampiring away at the complementary WiFi while obligingly sipping from $6 paper cups of coffee. Does anybody see the absurdity of going to a place “ostensibly” for browsing and perusing books and then unpacking and operating a device that actually enables a much superior text / literature / information / content browsing, shopping & consumption experience?

        Whatever could one possibly do in a bookstore that entails a social connection? Appreciate the book covers in public? Be a pretentious poseur and show off by reading something impressive? Does anybody else remember hearing about the dissatisfaction that many had that e-readers failed to show off book covers as conspicuously as paper books? For whom are we reading? Or are we performing?

        Everybody’s got their guilty pleasures that they’d just as well consume in anonymity with no cover on their e-reader to broadcast the shame of it. Everybody probably has had their very own “Overcoming Codependency in only 4 Hours for Losers who Dream of Unlimited Success!” “50 Shades of Lusty Trash” or my personal favorite… “Dating & Charm School for Awkward Middle-Aged Curmudgeons” (PS I could really use this one if anybody wants to write it!)

        Reading is even more anti-social than recorded or live entertainment which can at least be consumed synchronously with others. Meanwhile discussing books has become increasingly difficult not just because of so many different directions and tastes but especially with ethnic diversity & ideological polarization having splintered society and its cultural canon into disparate irreconcilable shards of mutual unintelligiblity.

        Why does everybody always allude to Harry Potter? The real reason I suspect? Well what else still enjoys that kind of almost universal familiarity? I try asking what people’s favorite fairy tales are, because I figure that’s easy shared common cultural canon. You should see the blank stares I often get when I explain mine is the “Emperor’s New Clothes.” At least it’s a story I can tell in a few brief minutes if they have never heard of it…

        I completely understand the hunger that people have for some kind of deep intellectual or social connections that we might imagine happening in bookshops. I’m sure they do even actually happen from time to time… even in real life… not just in Hollywood screenwriter fantasies. Otherwise it’s a really sad unsatisfactory substitute for the watering hole where the wild things used to meet and later where the women would gather to draw water and wash things while they gossiped with all their peers… There was much talk about the missing “third places” in our contemporary transient urban civilization. Places to gather besides home and work… Bookstores and coffee shops? Are these commercial venues really even suitable? We’re probably asking too much, much more than these institutions ever delivered in the past. And in our restlessness, transience and urban atomization it’s much too big a challenge that an institution as humble as a “shop” could hope to address.

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        June 30, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      • Spot on about poser bobos…average reader of Piketty’s trashy work as measured by Amazon kindle was about 10-15% in. (You can google the exact figure)

        The left is so vain its nauseating.

        A Dilettante

        June 30, 2017 at 5:26 pm

      • “The left is so vain its nauseating.”

        True. They probably think this post is about them.

        (a reference to a Carly Simon song of the 1970’s)

        Maryk

        June 30, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    • I like the ad. The woman is a little too swarthy to really drive home the point but I liked it.

      The thing to keep in mind is that the NRA Is basically a trade association for gun manufacturers. And that’s exactly what this is about: channeling the legitimate grievances of republican voters into standard republican leadership corporatism and plutocracy.

      Magnavox

      June 29, 2017 at 7:38 pm

      • The Left is really flipping out about the ad. If it offends the Left, I’m for it.

        Otis the Sweaty

        June 29, 2017 at 7:56 pm

      • Like i’ve said before, doing everything the left hates leaves you just as controlled by them as doing everything they want.

        And I want a real right wing populism. I don’t want those energies channeled into giving guns to black people to show you’re not a racist.

        Magnavox

        June 29, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      • Although I’m a gun owner, I dislike the NRA because of their disdain – and sometimes outright scorn – for Fudds. A Fudd* is a hunter, or less often a target shooter, who supports gun rights only insofar as they pertain to the guns he uses in his activity. For example, a Fudd may strongly support his right to own a bolt action hunting rifle, but is not interested in the controversy over 30-round detachable magazines for semiautomatics because hunting laws already prohibit such large magazines.

        The NRA takes a if-you’re-not-with-us-you’re-against-us mentality, and views Fudds as useless at best and enemies at worst. What they are too shortsighted to realize is that Fudds are NOT enemies of The Cause. It’s unlikely that a typical Fudd would support a ban on 30-round magazines. He doesn’t make a big issue out of opposing calls for such a ban, not because he agrees with the ban but simply because it’s not relevant to his own use of guns. If the NRA leadership had a lick of common sense (yeah right) they’d try to find common ground with Fudds, or at least not condemn them.

        It’s not strictly an NRA thing, but I also am annoyed by the paranoia which so many gun owners display with their fetish for tactical (“tacticool”) firearms. Many of them are convinced – convinced! – that they’re at great danger of being attacked by criminals and only with massive amounts of firepower will they stand a chance. In reality, very very few people ever have to use firearms to defend themselves, and if they do, a non-tacticool guns, such as the Fudd’s bolt action hunting rife, will get the job done. While it’s hard to get reliable statistics, it appears that most justifiable shootings, of which they’re aren’t many to begin with, involve only one or two shots being fired.

        Oh, and for pure idiocy, check out the “stopping power” debates. There are lurid tales of PCP users and schizophrenics absorbing round after round without even blinking an eye, too bad almost none of them are actually true.

        * = the term Fudd comes, of course, from Elmer

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        June 29, 2017 at 11:09 pm

      • @ironrails

        I’m right there with you — a gun owner who is moderately interested in guns. But whenever I interact with “gun culture”, I’m completely put off. Gun stores are the worst. The typical store owner combines a certifiable case of paranoia with the obsessive smugness of a comic book store operator. One guy told me he had 3 concealed handguns on his person at all times. And of course, stopping power came up: he viewed a 9mm as a glorified BB gun.

        But I suppose it’s inevitable over time that the NRA ends up being dominated by people who are obsessed with guns. Not sure how you can fight that. If there was a video gamer lobby, its leadership and most dedicated members would surely play an unhealthy amount of video games.

        All that said, I think owning and practicing with “tactical” weapons isn’t such a bad insurance policy against a societal breakdown, even if you don’t need such weapons today. What are the odds we see something worse than the 1992 LA Riots in the next 30 years?

        But better than being heavily-armed in such a scenario is the ability to work together with your gun-owning neighbors, as the Koreans did, even if those neighbors have bolt-action rifles

        Wency

        June 30, 2017 at 8:49 am

      • @Iron: The NRA takes a if-you’re-not-with-us-you’re-against-us mentality

        The NRA will fight tooth & nail against any incremental infringement on (a strict interpretation) of the 2nd Amendment. I support this. We’ve seen incremental, inch-by-inch, liberal encroachment in every area and freedom of America. “Give the an inch and they’ll take a mile.”

        It’s unlikely that a typical Fudd would support a ban on 30-round magazines. He doesn’t make a big issue out of opposing calls for such a ban, not because he agrees with the ban but simply because it’s not relevant to his own use of guns.

        True.

        E. Rekshun

        June 30, 2017 at 10:16 am

      • “And of course, stopping power came up: he viewed a 9mm as a glorified BB gun.”

        Only about a decade after adopting them as their standard duty sidearms, police departments throughout the country dropped 9’s in favor of more powerful rounds when their stopping power came into question. The NYPD is one of the few large departments to stick with 9’s. What’s hard to believe is that the whole reputation of 9’s as poor stoppers was literally the result of the performance of a single round in a gunfight. Police departments had never had any issues with them and the NYPD has not found them lacking. In real-world shootings, there’s no real difference between 9’s and their more powerful replacements, the .40S&W and the .45ACP.

        Here’s a detailed analysis of the 1986 Miami Shootout, the incident that lead to the wholesale abandonment of 9’s. The host actually shot someone to death in what was ruled a justifiable shooting, a squabble in an Oregon campground about 20 years ago:

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        June 30, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      • Great video.

        Two in the Bush

        July 1, 2017 at 1:50 am

    • What NRA ad? Link to it if u r going to mention it. Not all of us read Neogaf every day!

      gothamette

      June 30, 2017 at 12:32 pm

  6. https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/06/28/a-republican-by-any-other-name/

    What does it take for Alexander Hamilton to be adopted by the Republicans as one of their great historical figures?

    By itself, the fact only the electoral college (one of Hamilton’s most beloved pet projects in elitism) saved the Republicans’ Presidential bacon twice in two decades warrants ranking America’s first and greatest Treasurer alongside Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Coolidge, and Reagan.

    Federalist was the name of Hamilton’s party; it’s party emblem is proudly displayed on our frontpage. But the name should not deceive anyone into believing the GOP isn’t the rightful successor to the Federalists.

    The policy lineage from the mid-19th century Republicans back to the Federalists is easy enough to trace: Hamilton’s Federalist Party followed Hamilton’s National System.

    After the dissolution of the Federalists that followed their crippling public relations disaster at the Hartford Convention, their cause embodied in the National System was picked up by the Whigs led by Henry Clay and Daniel Webster; with slight modifications, Hamilton’s System was rebranded by Clay as the American System.

    When pre-Civil War sectional differences ended the Whigs, Clay’s great admirer, Lincoln, along with other former Whig members enshrined Clay’s version of Hamilton’s National System into the Republican Party platform where it remained at the heart of the GOP until the New Deal.

    The core constituents of the Federalists – Northerners, urbanites, bankers, manufacturers, merchants, Western settlers, Unionists opposed to secession, those in favor of a strong military, and trade protectionists – were inherited from the Federalists to the Whigs, and, finally, from the Whigs to Lincoln’s Golden Age Republicans.

    The surprising resistance to placing Hamilton prominently in the Republican and Conservative pantheon has largely come from Jeffersonian elements, especially Libertarians. Their reasons for denying Hamilton his due, however, amount to incoherent strawman arguments that he was both a crypto-Royalist and an early Progressive on account of his inclinations for centralizing governmental power that has been so heavily abused by the Progressive movement ever since the Progressives came into existence.

    Pragmatically Distributed has many lessons to teach about Royalism and Progressivism. At the risk of sounding like boasting, I would say you will be hard pressed to find anyone who knows more about both topics than I.

    And I can assure you, the reader, that Hamilton cannot be both simultaneously. Of the two charges, his Monarchical biases carry the most truth; but they also exonerate Hamilton from being a Progressive.

    The ideal American government envisioned by Hamilton was no more powerful (probably less) than Louis XIV’s France. But the Sun King was no Progressive. All of the essential competencies Hamilton assigned to the Federal Government – military, economic, trade, infrastructure, central banking, diplomacy, budget, legislation – were roles every European Monarchist of his era considered properly handled in a powerful national capitol.

    Hamilton’s philosophy of human nature was also incompatible with Liberalism. To Hamilton man possesses fixed, perpetually conflicting, virtuous and sinful characteristics that make man’s perfection through earthly measures impossible.

    Although he did not get his way entirely at the Constitutional Convention, Hamilton’s elitism reflects itself in the Constitution’s numerous safe guards against the “tyranny of the majority” that he so often warned against. For the great Utopian project of his age, the French Revolution, he offered nothing but truthful and prescient condemnations, whereas the other founding father of American Conservatism, Jefferson, got the French Revolution wrong at its outset .

    Hamilton’s place is no less essential to the American Right because he is the founding father most responsible for setting the policy foundations that transformed America into the greatest power in history. Other founders like Jefferson created aspects to American governance that would have secured it a stable existence, but these aspects were insufficient to make America a world power.

    Hamilton’s securing of the nation’s credit rating, in addition to centralizing trade and diplomatic policy within the Federal government, saved the newly created United States from the risk of early economic and diplomatic fragmentation into different nations (some of which may have voted to rejoin the British Empire if American Unionism failed).

    His credit reforms also provided an environment to raise investment capital for America’s embryonic manufacturing industry: Under Hamilton our credit rating quickly came to be seen as safe an investor haven during the Napoleonic Wars as Great Britain’s.

    Hamilton’s trade tariffs and infrastructure improvements were Republican dogma until the New Deal. Hamiltonian industrial policy attracted millions of white laborer immigrants (the only acceptable type of immigrant) to urban centers. These industrial triumphs built the military industrial complex that won both World Wars.

    Perhaps no statesman in the last 200 years has left a more impactful legacy on world history than Alexander Hamilton, and the Republican Party is not complete until it formally counts him as their own.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 29, 2017 at 6:24 pm

  7. Thats a pretty narrow peninsula and not comparable to the Hamptons. Mantoloking and Bayhead are extremely upscale and not guido at all. Blue collar people aren’t big readers, but large swathes of that area are not blue collar and still don’t have bookstores. Also, the year round communities in those towns are almost certainly better educated than the Hamptons year round communities beyond say Quogue.

    RSF

    June 29, 2017 at 7:22 pm

  8. the quality of public libraries varies for reasons in addition to the median income of the place.

    my guess is they’re better in blue states than red states.

    the Beverly Hills library is worse than my hometown library.

    or maybe people in Beverly Hills just buy all their books?

    Beverly Hills Ninja

    June 29, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    • Quality of public library is correlated with the number of minorities and homeless living near the library.

      Decline in libraries is a sign of our decline.

      jjbees

      June 29, 2017 at 10:04 pm

      • i was referring to the selection of books, not the people. maybe it’s changed. the local LA libraries were tiny 20 years ago when i was there. it’s only city center libraries that have people sleeping in them. not suburban libraries. despite the movies Down and Out in Beverly Hills and Slums of Beverly Hills that wasn’t a problem. it was just a tiny library in a city with a lot of money.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        June 29, 2017 at 10:38 pm

      • My local branch of the city public library is like every other branch in the system… an absolutely beautiful example of inspiring soaring contemporary architecture.

        It is filled with homeless asocials parked all day in front the computers to look at porn, dating or video games. Otherwise it’s packed with tiger moms & cubs, as well as east Africans in a neighborhood that easily is home to many more Mexicans and Black Americans.

        The collection is very diverse and multilingual… as long as you’re not looking for any thing in French, Italian or German. Magazines, newspapers, books & films in dozens of languages of Asia from Turkish to Tagalog and everything in between.

        Every year they put out a survey to readers to request new titles to the collection. I always ask for the local-regional edition of the Business Journal and the Financial Times… Really exotic stuff I know…

        No dice.

        Instead they subscribe to several different pink journals from local regional, national and foreign publishers that are dedicated to more of the “rainbow pride” kind of pinkness than the FT.

        Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

        June 30, 2017 at 2:57 pm

  9. I don’t doubt that there are more bookstores in the Hamptons than on SI, but do they actually read the books? And what books are they buying? Good ones, or Doris Kearns Goodwin?

    gothamette

    June 29, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    • Gothamette, what you wrote here indicates how high a level of intellectual life exists here on LOTB. You consider Doris Kearns Goodwin a lightweight writer/thinker. Whereas for most people she would be on the intellectual side and a more accessible writer would be someone like Maeve Binchy or Danielle Steele.

      But I know what you mean about people buying books and not reading them. I bought Paul Fussell’s “Class” but only skimmed it. I had to get it due to how many times it kept being referred to on this website. We should form a club of LOTB readers called “People Reading On-Line Expositions.” We could call ourselves PROLE for short. But I’m saving up and waiting for JS’s 3 volume set “The Rise and Fall of the Ameriprolestan Empire: a Montrealer’s perspective.”

      Maryk

      June 29, 2017 at 9:44 pm

      • You don’t really get to know your country of origin, until you leave it and make a comparison with your current host nation.

        From my encounters at a few bookstore events, some of the writers in French Speaking Canada seem to analyze America in a very mind blowing way that no American intellectual has ever done, especially when it comes to technology. For example, 1984 is the year when Steve Jobs deliberately introduced the MacIntosh Computer, the same year when George Orwell’s dystopian novel took place, where Big Brother takes control of everybody and the release of this computer by Jobs signifies individuality and freedom from this control. It turns out that Jobs was right but he was also wrong, since technology can liberate an individual but also binds a person to it and controls them. Just look at social media, online shopping with Amazon and of course LoftB — the internet is very political and hierarchical, and certain entities/individuals have more status and power over others on this medium.

        Then, there are French Canadian professors/academics/writers describing the internet as a source of despair for humans, where it doesn’t replace religion, and its medium of anonymity creates more problems for humans to express their inner urges/instincts.

        Meanwhile, heading down south, to the United States, Americans, including professors and thinkers are still in their infantile stages for the future as they relish in entertainment, frivolous consumption and other pleasures for them to think and write about these things that are very significant to mankind.

        JS

        June 29, 2017 at 11:39 pm

      • @MaryK,
        You are the smartest & funniest Italian-American lady since Camille Paglia. Are you and she related?

        “Doris Kearns Goodwin.” I do think she’s a lightweight, and not because she was caught in a little lightweight lifting of other folks’ passages. I’ve been reading about the Civil War and I’ve come to some unusual conclusions, which would be OT, but the gist is that there is a received standard history, and she’s part of the Comintern.

        If you don’t mind my asking, and if Lion doesn’t mind this going a little OT, how is your diet going? I’ve neither gained nor lost weight but the distressing 8 pound weight gain (due to a horrible case of plantar fasciitis), remains. I discovered that carby foods make me sleepy. I made the switch to protein and I’m alert, but I have to cut intake and increase output.

        For those who are interested, google “orexin” and “sleepiness”. It’s interesting stuff.

        gothamette

        June 30, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      • I read Fussell’s book sometime after it came out. I’ve always been surprised that Lion even knew of the existence of this relatively obscure book.

        I don’t think it’s especially good. I’d rather not cite names here, but I’ve put together my own view of class, stitched together from personal experience and various readings. The Ivy League is a factory for a permanent mandarin class, much like the English aristocracy. A Harvard degree is equal to an honorary title in the UK. Also, lineage is very important.

        Someone like Steve Sailer talks about “the flight from white” and all his little dittoheads go along with this ridiculous notion. There’s no flight from white. There’s flight from non-entity white, but the top drawer whites are still around, and anyone would give their eye teeth to be one of them.

        gothamette

        June 30, 2017 at 12:29 pm

      • Gothomette: if you are going to engage with the Civil War, please give Edgar Lee Masters’ ‘Lincoln, The Man’ a read. It is essential. Here’s a review
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/foseti.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/review-of-lincoln-the-man-by-edgar-lee-masters/amp/

        I also consider Clyde Wilson’s ‘From Union to Empire’ essential reading. http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2011/02/from-union-to-empire-essays-in-jeffersonian-tradition.html

        Curle

        June 30, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      • @curle,

        Thanks for the links. I’m learning a lot, in my readings. I don’t take anyone’s party line.

        gothamette

        July 1, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    • Gothamette, thank you for the compliment. No, Paglia and I aren’t related. But we’re both two tough Italian broads with an intellectual attitude!

      The diet is so-so. I haven’t lost any more weight. But at least I kept off the weight I previously lost.

      Maryk

      June 30, 2017 at 9:55 pm

      • That’s good. I can’t stand to throw food out, so I am going through the refined carbs in my pantry & when they are gone, not replacing them. I think refined carbs are fattening beyond calories.

        gothamette

        July 1, 2017 at 3:23 pm

  10. Every (larger) small town used to have at least one bookstore. There was a chain bookstore in the mall, like Waldenbooks or Bookland, and usually a more artsy bookstore somewhere else. No longer.

    Stealth

    June 29, 2017 at 9:42 pm

  11. Don’t listen to Lothar, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’m Toscano myself, and live in SF. Ferlinghetti’s City Lights Bookstore is “culturally significant” about to the extent that some gay bar is significant for being the site of the most HIV infections. That is to say, it’s a hangout for the loser lunatic fringe. Those with the good sense to realize there’s nothing cool about being a heroin addict (Bukowsky) steer well clear of it. There used to be a heavy duty international bookstore, mostly German, French and Spanish, in our “Tenderloin” neighborhood, around the corner from the Filipino tranny hooker bar, The Mother Lode. The int. book store closed a dozen years ago and the Motger Lode’s gone now too. I don’t know if there was a connection. I recently read Cadillac Desert, a history of water policy in the West. Highly recommended.

    Tiny Blades

    June 29, 2017 at 10:59 pm

    • I forgot to mention that SF’s Little Italy is the only place in America where Northern Italians can call home. Not Staten Island, not Jersey or NYC’s Little Napoli or Little Sicily, because that’s what they are.

      Italian Americans in California are mostly Northern Italians of origin. It’s a small population comparing to their southern counterparts in the Northeast.

      JS

      June 30, 2017 at 12:25 am

    • Bukowski was a boozer, not a junkie. You’re probably thinking of Burroughs.

      I enjoyed the rest of your comment. You remind me of a guy who used to live at 237 Steiner.

      Cadillac Desert is great. I also liked Architecture of Four Ecologies by Reyner Banham.

      Lothar of the Hill People

      June 30, 2017 at 12:30 am

      • PS – I remember the international bookstore. I think it was on Larkin, by the used magazine store. I didn’t realize they closed. Too bad.

        Lothar of the Hill People

        June 30, 2017 at 1:11 am

    • ” Those with the good sense to realize there’s nothing cool about being a heroin addict (Bukowsky) steer well clear of it.”

      Tiny Blades, this is a bit off topic but your comment brought this up. A lot of marginal sad cases don’t realize that there’s nothing cool about being a heroin addict. Believe it or not, I might have fallen into this abyss were it not for circumstance. I remember, back in the early days of punk/CBGB’s (which I was not a part of, but I remember it), the whole thing was so so so cool.

      Later on, Johnny Ramone derided the whole crowd and all the other bands who played at CBGB’s (except for his, and Blondie) as “a bunch of junkies.” Dee Dee also thought they were “jerkoff bands” as he called them, even though he himself was a junkie.

      So that’s the thing – a lot of stupid kids get sucked into bad modes of behavior. Look at the opiate epidemic.

      gothamette

      June 30, 2017 at 12:36 pm

  12. There is/was a small used paperback bookstore in Belmar, NJ.

    Five Daarstens

    June 29, 2017 at 11:06 pm

  13. There is a huge difference between the shore towns up North that attract a Guido element from North Jersye/New York and the Southern NJ Shore Towns that attract folks from the Philly Suburbs. Italians from South Jersey/Pennsylvania are more civilized because they evolved in less ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods. They had Germans, English, and Swedes to civilize them. Many Italians from South Jersey are absolutely disgusted by their counterparts from the North. There are two bookstores in Stone Harbor/Avalon, one of which is almost as SWPL as the type you’d find in the Hamptons.

    PerezHBD

    June 30, 2017 at 8:37 am

    • The Wildwood beach in South Jersey attracts a lot of guido types.

      JS

      June 30, 2017 at 11:39 am

      • It is the most Guido of all the South Jersey beaches by far, and has a highly negative reputation among all other beach communities as a result, but even Wildwood has a book store (albeit one no SWLP would ever step foot in).

        PerezHBD

        June 30, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      • Guidos are by far one of the worse people when it comes to any intellect and self control.

        Did you hear the story about an ex-con who was an ex-mob where he went into a sushi place in Staten Island, where he assaulted and blinded the owner? No, he wasn’t Asian, but another guido who owns it. I didn’t know guidos were big on sushi. Per Lion’s advice, more reasons to patronize a sushi restaurant that caters to SWPLs.

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm

      • i think cape may makes up for wildwood though

        gm

        June 30, 2017 at 3:38 pm

      • ” I didn’t know guidos were big on sushi.”

        I don’t think that in general they are. Sorry, but rubbery raw fish can’t be very appealing to people who are used to the great home-cooked food Italians get on a regular basis.

        JS, you should check out on Youtube a video called “Shit Italian Moms say.” It’s made by actor Daniel Franceze. And it’s hilarious. Example: a guido is being served dinner by his Mom. He says “Mom where’s the calamari? Frustrated by his attitude she says “Calamari? I made lasagna. This isn’t Mom’s restaurant.”

        As to guidos not having self-control, you have no idea how much self-control it requires for me to put up with all the anti-Italian comments on this blog. But I do it because LOTB helps me improve myself.

        Maryk

        June 30, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    • I have little knowledge about how IA communities in various parts of the country differ. I imagine that IAs from the deep South or smaller towns in the Midwest are probably more socially conservative due to the influence of living near and intermingling with Protestants. Naturally, the more ethnic groups you live near and associate with the less ethnocentric you’re likely to be. But I’ll frequently hear IAs from Brooklyn complain about IAs from Staten Island. My mother who taught in a high school in Bensonhurst for many years claimed that the old Bushwick neighborhood in the 1950’s had nicer Italian boys than Bensonhurst.

      I visited an IA friend once who had relatives from South Philly over. I hope this visiting family wasn’t representative of Philly as a whole or of IAs from Philly in general. Because these people were the most crude low-class bunch I ever saw (vulgar hand gestures, cursing, put-downs) I swear to you they did everything except swing from the chandeliers. Even the Jersey Shore crowd wasn’t this extreme. I felt embarrassment for my friend – a German-Italian hybrid. She was not a very bright or cultured girl, but was a decent person and dignified in her behavior. I’m sure she was ashamed. This was in Bath Beach in the 1970’s.

      Maryk

      June 30, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    • I’ve been going to Stone Harbor since I was a child. When I was young it was exclusively WASP. You could go an entire week without seeing a single non-white person. And virtually all the children were blonde. It’s still really nice but there is some Guido creep over the last decade or so, particularly in neauveu riche hangouts in Avalon like The Princeton and The Windrift. Starting to see a few Nams now and then. I told my wife that in a few years if it gets any worse we’re headed to Maine in the summers.

      B.T.D.T.

      June 30, 2017 at 7:32 pm

  14. Swpls also prefer “paper” books to ebooks. Just like hipsters claim to prefer vinyl. Ebooks are prole.

    Ny lurker

    June 30, 2017 at 8:41 am

    • Patronizing a chain business like Barnes & Noble is also prole.

      JS

      June 30, 2017 at 11:29 am

      • So now even Barnes and Noble is prole? I thought proles didn’t read? JS is probably just saying this in case he ever goes to B and N and finds some guidos there!

        Maryk

        June 30, 2017 at 1:17 pm

      • Barnesio n Nobio was founded by Lenny Riggio. That alone tells you that it’s prole. Columbia University does have an arrangement with them to sell their books and get a cut, so it isn’t 100% prole.

        I was reading up comments by SWPLs that they never patronize chain stores (maybe with the exception of Whole Foods). So there’s my point.

        JS

        June 30, 2017 at 5:30 pm

  15. OT- I’d like to see Lion take on this “sensational NY murder”:
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/my-dentists-murder-trial

    It would be interesting to get the NY-centric and racial analysis of the case. The poncy British writer of the piece notes the dentist/murderer had “immigrant’s stoic melancholy” but I think the fact he is from Dominican Republic probably figures in this somewhere.

    And the husband in this has some weird cuck vibe going on but was taking mail order Test.

    This whole thing could use an an HBD and NY analysis.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    June 30, 2017 at 10:38 am

  16. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the boutique-type shops in upscale towns, including but not limited to bookstores, are basically hobbies of rich men’s wives.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    June 30, 2017 at 2:38 pm

  17. Lion,

    Enough. JS is dragging down the level with his constant troll comments. A troll manages to manipulate more intelligent people into doing his bidding. There’s no reason why we should be looking up things on the internet that he can look up himself. Suggest you moderate his comments a little more severely.

    Just a suggestion.

    gothamette

    July 2, 2017 at 9:50 am

    • OK, from now on, JS’s more stupid comments will be deleted.

      • Sorry to be a dissenter, but JS’s comments never strike me as particularly problematic and represent a coherent viewpoint. Plus, he often includes interesting details, particularly about the Latin and French world.

        I really hate censorship. There’s a neighborhood blog in my neighborhood that’s so SJW-oriented that any critical comment of BLM, even a repetition of facts, is barred. Since the blog’s purpose is neighborhood events, when national political issues appear people get only the extreme Left’s side and imagine it represents a consensus. The list of neighbors with banned comments is getting long. Censorship is almost always bad.

        Curle

        July 2, 2017 at 11:37 am

      • One could simply create a random word generator, mixing up phrases like “america no culture” “asians are uncreative” “prole” “new york is not a world class city because they let NAMs work in the stores.”

      • Lol. 🦁 sums up the issue very well!

        gothamette

        July 2, 2017 at 1:57 pm

      • No apologies necessary. One man’s censorship is another man’s moderation.

        If this blog had an ignore feature I would use it. I have noticed JS becoming more and more obsessive and repetitive and in this particular comment thread he crossed a lin

        Ultimately, it is up to 🦁.

        gothamette

        July 2, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      • Curle understands my comments, especially when I mention pretty French and Spanish women are in high brow artistic endeavors, none of which are found among Anglo Sphere women.

        Well, Manhattan is becoming more “White” and the new residentials being built are all catered to the rich. The city wants to become world class. As one commenter here has noted, the Anglo Sphere worships money and power coming from sociopaths over class and rationality coming from intellectualism.

        SWPLs generally do not shop at most of the chain businesses, where most of the NAMs work. It takes a LoftB commenter to make such an observation. And blacks are gradually being replaced by Hispanics as the menial worker of choice. Hispanics may not be as surly or rude as blacks, but most of them aren’t all that efficient or engaging to begin with.

        It’s very hard to find pretty White women staffing any business in NYC, with the exception of non-chain restaurants and certain bars.

        A world class city consists of high IQ individuals in all sectors of human civilization. Calling NYC world class, and it’s still a joke.

        JS

        July 2, 2017 at 5:40 pm

      • “It’s very hard to find pretty White women staffing any business in NYC, with the exception of non-chain restaurants and certain bars.”

        Try expensive stores in Soho.


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