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Trump being Trump

There have been news stories the past week about new Trump tweets.

I have become so bored with this topic. Trump saying unconsidered stuff in tweets is just more of Trump being Trump. When does Trump being Trump stop being newsworthy? Trump is the low-class guy whom the electoral majority (not the same thing as saying the “majority of voters”) put into office because he better reflected their values than snobby elitist Hillary Clinton. Get over it.

Of course I hoped that Trump would rise to the magnitude of the office and become more presidential, but apparently that’s never going to happen.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 2, 2017 at 1:58 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. I also don’t particularly care for some of Trump’s tweets.
    The fact of the matter is that all the candidates right-of-center who played cordially got steamrolled. Substance over style.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    July 2, 2017 at 2:20 pm

    • You cucks don’t understand. The Right must attack; no more Mr. Nice Guy.

      markpower49M

      July 3, 2017 at 9:28 am

      • If you’re still holding up your nose to Trump’s tweets, then you’re a cuck.

        It’s totally justified and necessary and *working*. He *must* go around and mock the press. No more “respectable conservative” who is gracious in defeat. Long past time to fight back against enemies as opposed to spinelessly pretending that they’re friends.

        fakeemail

        July 3, 2017 at 11:00 am

      • Trump’s tweets are prole and appeal to the lowest common denominator. If conservatives stand for preserving all that is good and noble in our culture, than Trump is the anti-conservative par excellence. I often think that Trump is our first true “black president”. His models for behavior are people like Don King, Muhammad Ali and every boastful chest-pounding black athlete. Obama was a black man trying to act white, and now we have a white man trying to act like the baddest nigga on the block.

        Peter Akuleyev

        July 4, 2017 at 4:28 am

    • Rifleman

      July 3, 2017 at 10:42 pm

  2. The elitists, msm, etc still haven’t figured out that we don’t care. We knew what he was when we elected him. And it doesn’t matter how angry and horrified they get, we simply don’t care. They can clutch their pearls all they want. All we care about is repealing as much of their agenda as we can, getting a couple of justices on the SC, cracking down on immigration and fixing the trade policies that are wrecking the economy. Whether he says Kelly Megyn is bleeding from her wherever or that Mika is low IQ with a bloody facelift is irrelevant. No, it’s worse than irrelevant. It’s hilarious! LOL

    No matter what Trump does, at the end of it we’ll still be better off than we were under Bush or Obama. Or would have been under the hag. We’d be better off by simply not doing anything than enacting more of their policies.

    destructure

    July 2, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    • Good points. Agreed. The very real potential for another USSC pick is huge.

      E. Rekshun

      July 2, 2017 at 4:42 pm

    • I used to care but I don’t any longer. So he’s not presidential so what? The overwhelming majority of our presidents have been unpresidential.

      James Buchanan. Gay.

      gothamette

      July 2, 2017 at 8:05 pm

      • I can’t say it doesn’t hurt, but gotta ignore it. He is our man and I’m with him till the end. Like I’d said before: if Trump needs a fresh virgin every day, he should have it because it’s for the good of the country. Donald, give them hell!

        Yakov

        July 2, 2017 at 9:55 pm

      • gothamette — FDR was known for his excessive womanizing. And so was his wife!

        destructure

        July 2, 2017 at 10:43 pm

      • I don’t think FDR’s womanizing was excessive. Eleanor, on the other hand….(literally, oh sorry).

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • I was actually making a serious point about Buchanan. I never really read much about US history….and now that I am, I’m astonished at how mediocre most presidents were. This whole “Presidential” thing is a journalistic fiction. I admit that I fall into the trap, but let’s remember that it’s mostly BS, based on the silly notion that all presidents have to act like George.

        I’m sure that when Truman was president they used to zing his un-Presidential demeanor alla time.

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 12:30 pm

  3. Like most of Trump’s voters I don’t really care, although for tactical reasons I think it was dumb to post such a gif. The next time some journalist gets attacked by a lunatic it will be blamed on Trump; it would have been anyway, but because of oafish stunts like this more people will buy it. This also horrifies the Mitt Romney types who live in polite, well-manicured suburbs. The anti-Trump vote, probably, will consolidate in the future so Trump can’t afford to roll out his same 45.9% coalition again, yet that seems to be what he’s setting himself up for.

    Richard

    July 2, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    • 46.1%. GA-06 showed that the Mitt Romney types will all dutifully fall in line and vote for Trump in 2020.

      Otis the Sweaty

      July 2, 2017 at 7:25 pm

      • Dave Leip has 45.9%. I don’t know why different sites have different numbers this far out.

        Richard

        July 2, 2017 at 10:28 pm

      • @Richard – Probably 45.9 is with write-ins and 46.1 without.

        snorlaxwp

        July 3, 2017 at 2:50 am

      • Otis,

        Do you think that the guys who run both parties really want the unregistered people to stay unregistered? I think so.

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    • The travel ban is in place and instead everyone is talking about the Mika insult and a silly gif. The campaign magic is back; Trump really is a genius manipulator of the media.

      bobbybobbob

      July 2, 2017 at 8:17 pm

      • More like a Mr. Magoo, who stumbles around blindly not knowing what he’s doing, but for some unexplained reason it works out.

      • Mr. Magoo really is the perfect analogy. It’s obviously not “4d chess,” but he has unarticulated instincts that repeatedly lead to fortuitous outcomes. That’s really his whole business career, too. It’s not like he was ever some particularly shrewd operator. Better lucky than smart.

        bobbybobbob

        July 2, 2017 at 9:47 pm

      • I think “Trump’s Luck” is really that his opponents are so repellent and pathetic. Even when Trump does something off the wall, the response he gets from the establishment just reminds everybody how disgusting they are. Why would I want these shits in power again?

        Richard

        July 2, 2017 at 10:35 pm

      • Mr Magoo is a fictional character. Its not “going to work out”.

        Richard is right- the only thing he has working for him is how unattractive his detractors are.

        Lion of the Turambar

        July 3, 2017 at 9:20 am

      • Trump is far from a genius, but he does have the ability to lash out at his media critics. People distrust and despise the media more than ever. Many millions of people believe that his attacks are justified.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 3, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    • Journalists blamed the Right for everything *long* before Trump was ever in office and tweeting.

      fakeemail

      July 3, 2017 at 11:02 am

      • The media’s treatment of Trump has been outrageous. Much worse than the way they treated Reagan and George W. Bush. They’ve painted him as Hitler, emotionally deranged, a Russian tool, an Islamaphobe, a misogynist. Their goal is to thoroughly delegitimize Trump and then remove him from office.

        They also fear Trump because they know he views them with utter contempt and that millions of voters feel the same way. Trump, despite his numerous shortcomings, represents the greatest threat the political establishment has seen in quite some time.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 3, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      • “The media’s treatment of Trump has been outrageous”

        I agree with Lewis.

      • You guys have short memories.

        The media painted Reagan like a Nazi, as mentally incompetent, as a corporate tool, etc. He was HATED by the press/showbiz while nearly universally loved by Americans; far more so universally than Trump is today. The media absolutely wanted and tried to oust him from office Nixon style w/Iran Contra his mental stability, etc.

        As for Dubya, the media were endlessly harsh with him too. ONly difference is that Dubya really was an idiot and a crap president; but not quite for the reasons the Left gives.

        fakeemail

        July 3, 2017 at 2:38 pm

  4. Mika called trump hitlerian and many other such things. CNN interviewed and legitimized a trump assassin days after his failed assassination attempt. Tweet away Mr. President.

    AndrewE

    July 2, 2017 at 3:23 pm

  5. I admit I don’t like the tweets, but I like the media’s response to them even less. CNN today is having all day coverage to Trump tweets and their threat to the Republic.

    Mike Street Station

    July 2, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    • Morning Joe isn’t even on CNN. And I suspect when all is said and done this will be one of the best things that ever happened to the show.

      Magnavox

      July 2, 2017 at 5:28 pm

      • Well what was freaking them out Sunday was less Morning Joe and more old WWE with CNN transposed on Trump’s wrestling partner. They actually took that as a threat against the media.

        Mike Street Station

        July 3, 2017 at 6:19 am

  6. I’m a Trump voter and I know it’s only been five months but I’m now convinced that Trump has no idea what he’s doing as President (but he’s still preferable to any of the alternatives that were offered).

    I hoped that Trump would rise to the magnitude of the office and become more presidential, but apparently that’s never going to happen.

    Real, meaningful limitations on legal & illegal immigration and refugee settlements are also apparently not going to happen (and which should have happened on day 1). Instead Trump flounders with “travel bans” (how about an “immigration ban”) and repealing (select portions) of obamacare and screw the states on Medicaid. At this point, Trump deserves the media’s wrath.

    Trump has no intention (or the energy or desire) to run for a second term. And even if he did run in 2020, he’d lose. He did it – he got elected President – and now he’s done.

    E. Rekshun

    July 2, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    • Pence should run with Kris Kobach as V.P. in 2020. This would be a formidable transition plan. It would keep the last vestiges of the boomer cuck establishment placated. Meanwhile, it will groom a respectable successor for a pro-white, pro-nationalist GOP future.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 2, 2017 at 4:50 pm

      • Kris Kobach is a complete cuck economically.

        Magnavox

        July 2, 2017 at 5:20 pm

      • Agreed!

        E. Rekshun

        July 2, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      • Kobach’s economic policies are irrelevant in this national crisis.

        Geezus, what a bunch of cats. (As in “herding cats.)

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    • I felt Bernie Sanders was my type — someone who could understand self actualization and ways to make it happen. He really belongs in a college town as a mayor or some other lower functioning bureaucrat. He won most of his votes with the White Millennial generation.

      Trump’s support with proles is a dying cause, simply because the world is evolving and they aren’t. Conversely, this what Hillary supporters are, just a group of SJW and NAM losers.

      JS

      July 2, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      • The job market sucks for most people and Hillary effectively ran as an incumbent. This is why Trump won, and most of the rest of the analysis is noise. I have every expectation that Trump will be a one term president. We are clearly rolling over into recession now. The job market is going to be even worse in two years. Trump will face a primary challenge or some young buck on the D ticket and lose.

        Folks, this is way simpler than all the analysts pretend. If the job market most Americans are dealing with sucks, then “the incumbent” gets voted out.

        bobbybobbob

        July 2, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      • No way. White Proles are a growing demographic. “Self actualizing” just means having low fertility in biological terms.

        DataExplorer

        July 2, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      • A lot more millennial proles voted for Bernie than Trump. Many of them are young proles from reddy states.

        “Young people, ages 17-29, continue to vote in high numbers during the 2016 primaries and caucuses. In Republican contests, youth have broken participation records in nearly every state for which we have data, while in Democratic primaries overwhelming youth support for Senator Bernie Sanders helped him launch a serious challenge to Hillary Clinton. As Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump solidify their status as the front-runners, we thought it would be informative to visualize how young people have voted so far across all primaries and caucuses.

        The graph below shows the cumulative total of youth who have voted for each remaining candidate in the 2016 primary season. The graph only includes states where a youth vote count could be estimated for each candidate in both parties’ contests.

        In the 20 states for which we have data, nearly 2 million young people have voted for Senator Sanders, almost three times more youth votes than any other candidate in either party. Secretary Donald Trump has received the second-largest number of youth votes, 747,000, while Secretary Clinton is close behind with 727,000. More youth have voted for Senator Sanders than for Clinton and Trump combined.

        http://civicyouth.org/total-youth-votes-in-2016-primaries-and-caucuses/

        JS

        July 2, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      • Bernie Sanders was mayor of a college town.

        Ed

        July 2, 2017 at 10:02 pm

      • @bobby

        You’ve got things backwards. The labor market is extremely tight. Look at any economic measure. Try to hire a handyman. Look at the outcomes for MBA graduates, even as MBA programs struggle to find people because the job market is so hot.

        Though it’s true that when the party ends, the R’s, including Trump, will probably be voted out again.

        The only false assumption people made, really, is that such a decisive popular vote win would also translate to an electoral college win. Other than 1876 (which was a complicated story), in every other split election, the winner was within a point of the loser. But Trump wasn’t even within 2 points of Hillary. It was a freak occurrence.

        Maybe Trump can piece together the same coalition again, but even so, if he wins again, he’ll probably pick up more of the popular vote. I personally wouldn’t expect the winner to lose the popular vote so badly again for the remainder of this republic.

        Wency

        July 3, 2017 at 8:56 am

    • The day Trump stops fighting his enemies is the day we’ll know he’s given up and is ready to walk away. Nothing like that in sight.

      Andrew E.

      July 2, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    • Except the immigrant community *is* being destroyed. Illegal immigration is down by over 70%, refugees are down by 50% and deportations have dramatically increased. It will take years to actually ramp up Trump’s deportation force to full strength but we clearly are off to a great start. H1B abuse has already been curtailed. Legal immigration was always going to not be addressed until Trump’s second term at the earliest so criticizing Trump on that front is a red herring.

      The Obamacare repeal isn’t going to happen so stop complaining about it. Now we are able to move on to tax reform, the budget (our wall money) and sanctuary cities.

      Otis the Sweaty

      July 2, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    • ” Trump will face a primary challenge or some young buck on the D ticket and lose.”

      What young buck do the Dems have? They are utterly clueless. That’s the weird thing about this. I don’t think the Dems like the assholes I listen to on NPR are lying. I think they are completely without a clue. Every primary that Dem $$ gets thrown into, they think they are going to win with some wine & cheese princess….and they lose, and it’s “next time.” They have zero idea what populism is. They are eternally astonished that people can be against immigration and for single payer health care.

      Not saying the Repub. party is in good shape. But the Dems are in worse shape.

      gothamette

      July 3, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • I think the modern-day Dems are COMPLETELY clueless about how to NOT act snobby and elitist towards middle-class and working-class white people. Bill Clinton was the last major Dem who could pull it off. None of that ability rubbed off on his wife.

      • Because they have a deep belief in their superiority. They are not “of the people.”

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 1:59 pm

  7. the “dignity of the office” stuff sounds like religion to me. LBJ talked to reporters when he was on the toilet and showed his huge member without being asked. clinton fornicated with an intern. the president is a man not a god, unlike the roman emperor. caligula was a lot more vulgar than trump. if any office engenders these religious sentiments it’s too powerful and should be abolished or diminished.

    the corporate media act as thought police just as much as professors. for every one word of trump’s tweet 1m from the corporate panty-waste media. there are things one is not allowed to say. what one cannot say usually withers until he cannot think it either. whoever consumes corporate media is controlled by it. unless he’s unusually clever.

    i wish it were fake news. this confirms another commenter’s assertion that liberals oppose free speech. but only when they’re continental europeans or professors.
    https://www.mail.com/int/news/europe/5321000-germany-passes-law-online-hate-speech.html#.1258-stage-mostviewed1-4

    fb will now have 7,500 people doing nothing but censoring posts. otherwise they can be fined up to $56m. it’s 1984 in kraut-land. if i were zuckerberg i’d tell the krauts to go f— themselves. no fb for you until you stop being stupid krauts!

    Beverly Hills Ninja

    July 2, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    • That’s a completely false equivalency. Trump is choosing to publicly make a fool of himself. And what has Trump done to actually reform the media? What would he be doing if given autocratic power? A big nothing on both accounts. He’s just playing off of his supporters resentments and then pivoting to GOP orthodoxy once power i.e he’s acting like every other republican politician.

      Magnavox

      July 2, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      • in the past republicans and democrats have pivoted because they’ve been beholden to special interest campaign donations, they’re corrupt. what explains trump?

        clinton’s, LBJ’s, and JFK’s behavior was much more disgraceful. he should have been magnanimous. let it go. but he didn’t initiate the abuse. if you think news media personalities aren’t puppets, you’re not paying attention. it goes far beyond the requirement for elite credentials and group think. there are no “real boys” in corporate media.

        but i agree that trump is either playing a game i don’t understand (4-dimensional chess) or he’s a loser. the health care bill is GOP suicide. very strange behavior.

        Beverly Hills Ninja

        July 2, 2017 at 10:14 pm

      • > Trump is choosing to publicly make a fool of himself.

        He does still seem to think it’s a reality TV show or a big pep rally. We need President Michael Corleone: Mostly silent but occasionally terminates large numbers of people in one night when the moment comes.

        The problem is Michael Corleone would never have got through the primaries and the general. It is an ongoing problem. Obama was much closer to the patient assassin mentality that a president needs, but Obama is obviously working for the enemy. I would have to say that so far Obama worked more effectively towards his goals than Trump.

        bobbybobbob

        July 2, 2017 at 10:40 pm

      • As Ninja pointed out, LBJ chose to “publicly make a fool of himself” many times. And he never lost power because of his unbelievably swinish, buffoonish behavior. He lost power because he fucked up, as he should have.

        I agree with Ninja 95% about the dignity biz. Still, Americans of my generation were inculcated to believe that the President is George Washington redux. I don’t know about the kids nowadays.

        gothamette

        July 3, 2017 at 12:40 pm

      • You’re taking the worst things that LBJ did in private over almost eight years that have only filtered out over the last fifty years and comparing it to the worst Trump has done in a completely public forum in the last week. Completely false equivalency.

        Magnavox

        July 3, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    • “if i were zuckerberg i’d tell the krauts to go f— themselves”

      Lol! You assume that Zuck has a problem with censorship. He does it stealthily in America and would do it outright if he could get away with it.

      peterike

      July 2, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    • > fb will now have 7,500 people doing nothing but censoring posts. otherwise they can be fined up to $56m.

      This could easily backfire, and just drive people away from Facebook, at least for discussion of anything important. The fact that Trump won shows that roughly half of Americans simply do not care what the elites or the media want them to think.

      It’s kind of like the war between pirates and content producers and their lawyers. Actually the pirates are losing that war now though. Many PC games coming out are unpirateable, and torrent sites are getting shut down or shutting down voluntarily.

      In the future legitimate political discussion may only occur in some kind of dark web, where only a small percentage of people are willing to or know how to get there.

      Fact Checker

      July 3, 2017 at 10:18 am

    • The “dignity of the office” stuff is bogus liberal speak. FDR was a crippled philandering puppet in a time of monpolized media who would protect him. Ditto JFK and all other dem presidents

      Reagan comported himself with perhaps the MOST dignity and class of a president ever, but was hated by the press.

      fakeemail

      July 3, 2017 at 11:07 am

  8. Of course I hoped that Trump would rise to the magnitude of the office and become more presidential, but apparently that’s never going to happen.

    More important than that I hoped he would actually propose solutions to solve the problems associated with the media instead of just exploiting his bases resentment of it for his own political gain. Steve Bannon is clearly a dud if he’s spent so much of his life in media and doesn’t have a whole list of legal reforms that could help fix it.

    Magnavox

    July 2, 2017 at 5:19 pm

  9. The media is, unsurprisingly, trying its best to create the narrative that Trump is trying to incite violence against reporters. All this because of a funny gif of Trump pounding CNN.

    When leftists isn’t busy telling people to punch “Nazis”, calling for Trump to beheaded, bashing people with bike locks and shooting congressmen, they’re telling us Trump is inciting violence!

    JohnBeck

    July 2, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    • During the primary process, the media was claiming that Trump was inciting his supporters to violence against the press.

      Lewis Medlock

      July 3, 2017 at 1:43 pm

  10. I’m conflicted about it. I would love for Trump to ease up on his cheezy-ness and keep cool. But that’s not him. On one hand, these antics distract from his agenda and repulse Romney-Republicans (whose votes we need). On the other, he is the bull in the media china shop we voted for, smashing everything I despise to bits. I mean, he’s infuriating all the right people. Every week a “friend” of mine on facebook posts a long diatribe about his “shame living under Trump” and “the dignity of the office”.

    Buckle up, fam. t hasn’t even been one YEAR!

    SWPL2

    July 2, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    • He’s not smashing anything. Morning Joe has never been more relevant and is probably going to get really high ratings.

      Magnavox

      July 2, 2017 at 10:44 pm

      • And hasn’t Trump propelled MSNBC to record ratings so far during his presidency? Real good job smashing them.

        Magnavox

        July 2, 2017 at 10:46 pm

      • I always had this image of Rosie O’Donnell and Trump high-fiving in the green room. Kayfabe. They both won. I’m sure it’s the same with Joe Dead-Intern.

        bobbybobbob

        July 3, 2017 at 12:20 am

      • He insults these “journalists” to their faces. He draws blood. I don’t care if it’s childish name calling. He treats them like them trash and pushes his immigration initiative. For once, the MEDIA is reacting rather than setting the agenda. Nearly every headline is a response to Trump’s latest outrage.

        He’s on the the offensive in a way that no Republican would ever be.

        SWPL2

        July 3, 2017 at 1:08 am

      • Morning Joe more relevant? Maybe in the news cycle where Trump is bashing them, but otherwise the show has degenerated into the nerd lunch table grousing about what they wish they could do to the jocks. Most of the show time is relegated to insulting Trump. There may be an audience for that, but that’s not relevant.

        Mike Street Station

        July 3, 2017 at 7:41 am

      • Many leftist news outlets are increasing their ratings, but at the same time more and more people are getting their news and opinions elsewhere. They’re tuning out the msm entirely. There is no Walter Cronkite anymore. No establishment figure who commands respect across the political spectrum. There’s far more polarization today than ever before.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 3, 2017 at 1:51 pm

      • The media is a real problem. He should be proposing real solutions. All he’s doing is exploiting his supporters short sighted hatred of the media.

        Magnavox

        July 3, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    • What distraction? A Trump tweet takes 30 seconds to write and the media spends 5 hours talking about it.

      Who is being distracted?

      map

      July 3, 2017 at 1:13 am

      • Trump’s erstwhile allies in Congress and his dupe supporters get distracted.

        Magnavox

        July 3, 2017 at 4:00 pm

  11. According to the Lionel Nation vlog CNN’s head Jeffrey Zucker’s days are numbered if AT&T’s take over of CNN goes through. Not sure what the likelihood of this is, but we can surely agree that the sight of Zucker’s head rolling in the halls of corporate America will be massive blow for Trump haters.

    roli

    July 2, 2017 at 10:04 pm

  12. Chris Matthews is on television suggesting that Trump, like Mussolini, should have his son-in-law assassinated and we are worried about Minka and Joe and CNN getting shat upon by tweeting?

    map

    July 3, 2017 at 1:11 am

  13. It ´s all media agenda : Macron just said yesterday, in rallways station, you meet people who are winners and people whi are nothing. Thats presidential ? He has said the worse many times but never on TV …. Dice are rotten.

    Bruno

    July 3, 2017 at 1:30 am

    • For Macron, winner = be born in a wealthy family, go to elite schools and have high level connections.

      Fact Checker

      July 3, 2017 at 10:11 am

  14. Trump is a “scandalist” (a word I made up from a Polish word)

    https://cliffarroyo.wordpress.com/2017/05/19/trump-the-scandalist/#comment-92

    Of course he’s going to tweet dumb and/or provocative things, he’s rudderless without uproar.

    And it takes all presidents at least a year or so to learn the job and the office, I wouldn’t count on him actually getting much done (or acting very presidential…. if her ever does which is a big if) before next May or so.

    cliff arroyo

    July 3, 2017 at 7:30 am

  15. I think Trump tweeting about Charlie Gard will do him more good than tweeting about body slamming CNN.

    (People have their own opinions on medical policy, and I don’t want to debate the matter. But the story is as sad and grim as they come, and Trump tweeting something kind does him better than venting his anger.)

    Sid

    July 3, 2017 at 3:44 pm

  16. Magnavox, that is the most assholic thing you have said here.

    http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/08/20/lyndon-johnson-held-meetings-on-the-toilet/

    gothamette

    July 3, 2017 at 8:32 pm

  17. If only Trump smoked cigars, he could lower the current Presidential respectability level to the level it had when Bill Clinton was there.

    CK

    July 4, 2017 at 1:32 pm


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