Lion of the Blogosphere

How the REALLY rich voted

The ANES, like all studies of the general population, don’t pick up the REALLY rich because they are too small of a percentage of the population to show up. At best, the ANES can show us how the top 4% voted, by looking at respondents whose family income is $250,000 or more.

When you break down the top 4% vote by education, the result is quite remarkable. Even though the numbers have a large margin of error because of the small sample size, I am sure that the big picture, that there is a vast difference in voting behavior between the top 4% wealthy without a college degree, and the top 4% with a college education, is accurate.

This shows us that class has a lot less to do with income than is commonly understood by mainstream journalists. If one doesn’t have a college degree, then one is prole, no matter how much money you make. And as I’ve said zillions of times on this blog, the proles love Trump. Even the wealthy proles love Trump, and in fact they love him even more than poor proles. The wealthy proles buy into the Republican philosophy of abolishing Obamacare and lowering taxes for the rich.

Unfortunately, there is no survey I know of that tells us how the top 1% voted, or how the top 0.1% voted, but I can make some guesses.

I have no reason to believe that those with greater wealth, say income more than $500,000, or income more than $1 million, or even $10 million, would be more pro-Trump than those with only $250,000 of income. Just the opposite, everything I know tells me that the more elite a person is, the more likely it is that he or she hates Trump, and higher income generally makes one more elite.

I also believe that as income increases, the percent of people without a college degree decreases to a very tiny percent. Even the most prole billionaire I can think of, John Catsimatidis, has four years of college education. Therefore among the wealthiest cohort, there would be hardly anyone without a college degree, and their political leanings would resemble those with income of $250,000 or more who have a college degree. So I would say that members of the top 1% probably voted Clinton over Trump by a 2 to 1 margin, and that probably increases to a 3 to 1 margin when you reach the top 0.1%.

Furthermore, I believe that that the children of the top 0.1% were even more pro-Clinton and anti-Trump than their parents.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 9, 2017 at 2:44 pm

Posted in Politics, Wealth

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  1. Who do you think is the wealthiest person who voted for Donald Trump? According to Wikipedia Sheldon Adelson endorsed him, so that just leaves Gates, Bezos, Buffett, Zuckerberg, Ellison, Bloomberg, Koch Bros, Google, and the Walton heirs higher on the list. I doubt any of these people voted for Trump except maybe the Koch Bros.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 9, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    • Larry Ellison should be a Trump supporter, because of his lavish (–prolish) lifestyle. Mr. Ellison is rather low on the cerebral scale among the titans of InfoTec.

      JS

      July 9, 2017 at 10:47 pm

  2. Perhaps this answers your question:

    Here Are All the Billionaires Backing Donald Trump

    http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/

    The Koch Bros are what we think of wealthy libertarian types, and thus, the anti-intellectual Donald Trump is too prole for them.

    JS

    July 9, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    • The list is disproportionately Jewish, thus shattering the stereotype that all Jews are Trump-hating liberals. Meanwhile, the Catholic Koch brothers, who normally endorse every Republican, repudiated Trump.

      • Trump is too prolish for anyone whose philanthropy is for the arts and culture. The run in the mill Republican voter and candidate for the most part, generally don’t care for museums and institutes that generates cultural capital. The IDNYC card which was masterminded by Democrats like Bill de Blasio, was vehemently opposed by many NY Republicans. The card provides free entrance to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and this type of incentive led many people, not just NAMs and illegals to get the card. But Republicans were also blinded by their paranoia of terrorists and illegals, that they thought the card was a stupid idea, where these people would abuse it and commit all kinds of unAmerican acts.

        JS

        July 9, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      • The list is disproportionately Jewish, thus shattering the stereotype that all Jews are Trump-hating liberals.

        Another strawman stereotype that NEVER existed.

        Jews feature prominently among Trump haters. No way to rationally deny it.

        I think it’s part of a Jewish identity to hate Trump and his supporters because they represent the “goyim”. They are the “other” against which secular or mildly religious Jews can create a Jewish identity that is separate from the White Gentile American “other”.

        The fact that there are some rich Israel obsessed Jews siding with Trump along with prole Jews and some renegade Jewish intellectuals doesn’t counter the demographic reality of massive Jewish American hatred and revulsion at Trump and most of all his supporters.

        But the vast majority of Trump hating White Americans are not Jewish. Many are bland, White protestant goyim.

        Rifleman

        July 9, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      • Again, any wealthy donor who sponsors the arts and culture scene is not likely to support Donald Trump. One of the Koch Bros has donated a large sum of money to the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts. Wealthy Jews are one of the biggest contributors to the arts and cultural scene, especially to institutions in NYC. Gentiles like the Koch Bros are of the same mode of thought, but there are more Jews of this sort, and prolier Jews like Sheldon Adelson are the minority, whose charity are more tribal in nature.

        JS

        July 9, 2017 at 6:54 pm

      • @Rifelman

        ‘They are the “other” against which secular or mildly religious Jews can create a Jewish identity that is separate from the White Gentile American “other”.’

        Bizzare. What’s the content of this Jewish identity?

        Yakov

        July 9, 2017 at 8:01 pm

      • Bizzare. What’s the content of this Jewish identity?

        Probably the result of leaving religious Judaism.

        Why are so many Jews doctrinaire liberals? Pro gay, pro tranny, maybe vegan, feminist, obsessively pro abortion.

        A high percentage of the children of rich Jews join cults and non traditional religions. Why?

        They seem to want to remain some how separate or different for “average Americans” I suppose but they aren’t “old fashioned Jews” with old world habits. And they probably think traditional Judaism is prole and superstitious or embarrassing.

        So they have created a new religion. A Jewish Liberalism as a replacement religion. Many Jewish left liberals aren’t just individuals who have rationally come to certain conclusions about society.

        Instead their Jewish liberalism is their identity, it’s who they think they are AS JEWS because they have given up on the older “cult” Judaism but they still want some kind of collective identity.

        And for many that identity is the opposite of people like Trump and his supporters.

        I think it’s an important area of study. But it should be compared to other anti Trump types like Catholic liberals Michael Moore or Anglo Protestant types (I suppose) like Ken Burns or Stephen King.

        The people who hate Trump and his supporters come at him from different angles but they all have a certain emotional, irrational mentality that drives them. It’s the flip side of the obsessive hero worship they gave to Obama.

        Rifleman

        July 9, 2017 at 10:47 pm

      • “A high percentage of the children of rich Jews join cults and non traditional religions. Why?”

        Because they want to experience spirituality, but Judaism sucks as a religion, it’s mostly chanting in a language no one understands.

      • “Judaism sucks as a religion, it’s mostly chanting in a language no one understands.”

        What?!!! I’m calling bullshit. Jews are singing and dancing and partying all the time. That reminds me of your “jew food sucks” routine. There’s too many fat jews for me to believe that. Yeah, it sure looks like it sucks, Leon.

        destructure

        July 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      • Some nice insights by Rifleman regarding secular, liberal Jews. The late Lawrence Auster held similar views. I believe that these liberal Jews regard themselves as enlightened and compassionate while Trump supporters are seen as uneducated and mean-spirited. Basically a simplistic Manichean worldview.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 10, 2017 at 5:07 pm

      • “Judaism sucks as a religion, it’s mostly chanting in a language no one understands.”

        Lion, I have to disagree. About 15 years ago I watched Hasidic Jews chanting in an auditorium for about 1 hour on PBS. I had no idea what they were saying but it was definitely spellbinding.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 10, 2017 at 5:19 pm

      • Secular Ashkenzi Jews in Israel hold exactly the same values as any liberal around the world. This has nothing to do with Jewish identity and it has nothing to do with some special anti average American sentiment, it is just being part of the global liberal group of people, Jewish or not.
        Most Ashkenazi Jews in the US live in coastal major cities where most people are liberal, I am sure the secular ex Israeli Mizrahi Jews in Miami or LA voted more for trump.
        Affiliation to religion has nothing to do with understanding the language, secular Ashkenazi Jews in Israel understand the language but still don’t flock to religious Judaism.

        Hashed

        July 10, 2017 at 9:00 pm

      • If you like Hassidic singing and dancing, you should love Chechen Sufi Zikr. (I Chechnya they have historically followed Sufism.

        I’m a rationalist and dislike both of them.

        Yakov

        July 10, 2017 at 10:41 pm

      • “Judaism sucks as a religion, it’s mostly chanting in a language no one understands.”

        You keep repeating this mantra. Had I not known you better, I would have thought you to be an idiot. How difficult is it to learn a language that you use on a daily basis? Answer: not difficult. Different people find different aspect of religion attractive, but chanting isn’t something that is at the core of this faith. True worship cannot be revealed or known by anyone but the individual himself. This is very simple.

        Yakov

        July 10, 2017 at 10:48 pm

      • ‘Lion, I have to disagree. About 15 years ago I watched Hasidic Jews chanting in an auditorium for about 1 hour on PBS. I had no idea what they were saying but it was definitely spellbinding.’

        Yeap, many an outsider finds it spellbinding. What could they have been singing? For example, it could have been a verse from the prayer book: ‘Our Heavenly Father, we have no King but you!’. So they would sing it for 15 minute or half hour and drive themselves into a frenzy. Is there something wrong with it? Yes. If a Jew can be studying the Talmud, or the Mishna, or the Codes, or the Tanach this chanting is a waist of time and humiliation of the Law. At least this is what I think.

        Wahhabis have similar criticism of Zikr and Sufi practices.

        Yakov

        July 10, 2017 at 11:00 pm

      • Rifeman opened up an interesting subject. There is a joke that the Jews don’t sleep themselves and don’t let others sleep either. They have a tendency to be outliers, have a heightened need to find meaning in life, to self actualize, to change things. I think it’s all in their genes. Jews are dangerous when they take a wrong turn. What they need to be doing is living in The Holy Land, worshiping The Almighty by bringing sacrifices in the Temple, working the land, studying Torah and keeping its commandments. This is good for the world and good for the Jews. Jewish liberalism is part of the Jewish identity only in an HBD sense of Jewish restlessness, striving and angst. It’s genetic, not conscientiously thought out.

        Yakov

        July 11, 2017 at 9:23 am

    • One other wealthy supporter not mentioned in the article is Harold Hamm of shale oil fame (#39 on Forbes).

      None of these are real huge surprises. Honestly I think the biggest surprise among billionaire endorsements was Peter Thiel just because as a youngish tech billionaire he had a lot to lose in peer esteem by not only endorsing Trump but being so vocal about it, even though he does have a reputation of going against the grain.

      Sometimes I like to imagine that George Soros is a secret Trump supporter and the whole donating vast sums to shadowy far leftist operations is just a front (joking).

      Jokah Macpherson

      July 9, 2017 at 5:05 pm

      • Charles Murray stealing my Soros idea on Twitter…

        Jokah Macpherson

        July 10, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    • I’m sure for the Koch’s, like a lot of voters, their vote was against one of the candidates, and they probably voted against Mrs. Clinton. In general, I suspect those who inherited their money and those whose wealth came from value transference voted overwhelmingly for Clinton, Those whose wealth is self-made (even some in WT businesses, albeit rarely) or comes from productive businesses probably voted for Trump. If there’s a breakdown of how the extremely wealthy got that way, that will probably give you an accurate picture of how they voted.

      J1

      July 9, 2017 at 5:59 pm

  3. ” If one doesn’t have a college degree, then one is prole, no matter how much money you make.”

    Even Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg? Harvard dropouts both, IIRC.

    I’d say that if you dropped out of an elite institution and then proceeded to make a lot of money that places you higher in the social pecking order than someone who got a 4 year degree from, let’s say, Cal State Northridge and makes a similar amount of money.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    July 9, 2017 at 5:23 pm

  4. The very rich did not deny Trump there vote because he is “prole”, eats his steak with ketchup, likes hookers to pee on him, etc. They didn’t vote for him because they were already highly invested in a crooked, duplicitous, career politician named Hillary Rodham Clinton. Rich people sponsor candidates who will do their bidding. Trump was obviously his own man, and made no bones about it.

    B.T.D.T.

    July 9, 2017 at 7:25 pm

  5. I can tell you right now it is wrong. Gary Johnson did a reported 6% across the board, but here non-college vanishes. There is an issue that the vote that showed up for the libertarian is half what was reported (according to DEM polls reported in VOX)…. that is probably where Clinton’s mystery majority came from.

    What is going on here…

    rob

    July 9, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    • You’re reading too much into a very small sample size.

    • If we lived in an utopia or another industrialized nation better than America, there would only be 2 contenders namely Gary Johnson and Jill Stein fighting over nothing. One represents pragmatic oriented liberals (libertarians), and the other along the lines of intellectuals. America’s 2 headed snake party play on the fears of dumb proles and the NAM underclass. Is America worth living the life when these people represent the majority?

      JS

      July 10, 2017 at 7:38 am

  6. Lion, could you share with us a link to the actual study, please? Went to their site and am unclear. Thanks.

    rob

    July 9, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    • There’s no study besides my own study, using the publicly available data.

      The link to the SDA archive was in my previous post.

  7. John Catsimatidis’ daughter Andrea was married to Christopher Cox, grandson of Richard Nixon.

    BTW, she is ugly

    ScarletNumber

    July 9, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    • Andrea has a blonde big-breasted prole look that I find sexy 🙂 And she’s amazingly gorgeous considering how ugly her dad is.

    • Sorry to tell you something that you probably get all the time, but you’re a Gay! She’s a smoke-show dogg!

      roxborough's son

      July 10, 2017 at 1:13 am

  8. “Even the most prole billionaire I can think of, John Catsimatidis, has four years of college education”.

    John is just an old school New Yorker, son of immigrants, where many of them come across as prole regardless of education. NYC was a very prole town, before Giuliani came to power and started the SWPL invasion that is still happening today, as we comment. It’s now very hard to find a young person speaking in a heavy NY accent in Manhattan.

    JS

    July 9, 2017 at 10:23 pm

  9. I believe Warren Buffet voted for Trump, he just poses as a Democrat to get the hot chicks.

    Marty

    July 9, 2017 at 11:00 pm

  10. Perhaps this is why the rich like big gov’t so much?

    http://www.nysun.com/national/bezos-slim-and-buffett-billionaires-pleading/90026/

    destructure

    July 10, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    • no one likes big government. but the redistribution which you hate can be effected by a small government. and how big is government really? by one measure it’s yuge, 42% of gdp in the US and higher in most other developed countries. by another it’s not yuge, 14.6% of the formally employed in the US. below the US are NZ, japan, s korea among rich countries with figures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector

      byt the dim lights of GOP economic theory other developed countries should be as poor as n korea and venezuela. it’s funny how GOP ideologues always compare the US to third world countries, never to first world countries. libertarianism is a death cult. or it’s just straight up satan worship.

      it’s the stupidty stupid.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      July 10, 2017 at 5:04 pm


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